Bands wanted for gigs

thegrove54

Hows a going im evan and run a promotions company called np promotions we put on nights to cater for all types of musicians don't care what kinda music as long as you can actually play. The nights will be different every week and we also run some all ages shows. There will be no tickets for you to pre buy or any of that ****e. Admission to nights shows will always be five euro and day time shows will always be ten euros. Any bands interested in playing please do get in touch and if you have any more questions feel free to ask. I will always try to give musicians a few bob but going on previous shows that i have run these will more than likely be unpaid and just a chance for some publicity.

cheers
evan

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PM sent.

ldee

whats the venue?
whats the day?

thegrove54

ldee wrote: »

whats the venue?
whats the day?

venue will be the pint bar on eden quey in dublin city do not know days yet as they will be varied from week to week.

Hi,

Can you follow the charter and provide more details please?


Promoters section of the charter

Thanks,

Papa

thegrove54

bump

iMADEtheBBC

thegrove54 wrote: »

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Evan, what is the deal on offer to the bands ? Is it a percentage of the door or is it a fixed fee ?

Are you only interested in bands? What about solo artists.

Do you plan to mix genres/styles or will the gigs be themed (what I mean is: will an indie group find themselves going on right after a metal group ?)

Has the venue confirmed particular nights for you ?

Will you expect the bands to promote the gigs or are you doing all the promotion ?

thegrove54

iMADEtheBBC wrote: »

Evan, what is the deal on offer to the bands ? Is it a percentage of the door or is it a fixed fee ?

Are you only interested in bands? What about solo artists.

Do you plan to mix genres/styles or will the gigs be themed (what I mean is: will an indie group find themselves going on right after a metal group ?)

Has the venue confirmed particular nights for you ?

Will you expect the bands to promote the gigs or are you doing all the promotion ?

if bands bring people i will pay them but i do most the promotions myself in the end i ask that bands tell everyone about it and that way we will get a bigger group in on the night. I will be mixing genres and the venue has confirmed the 19th of april and the 23rd of april there are 8 slots avaliable.

iMADEtheBBC

Sounds interesting.

What had you got in mind for paying the bands ? Will it be a simple split of the door takings between each band ? I'm just wondering how that would work if one band took 50 people in to the gig and another took 5.

What other gigs have you promoted? Have you been able to pay any bands at those gigs?

stevood

This is the same conversation just a few months later. I hope the attack on you doesn't start again grove.

Best of luck with it. Post up all our gigs in the events section here along wit entertainment.ie (always check that for my random nights out for a band), might pop along and check out the venue for the future.

iMADEtheBBC

Evan very kindly sent me some PMs last night to clarify the situation.
Basically if he has enough money left after paying the venue hire, the sound/PA engineer, bar staff, door staff and petrol money for the person supplying the backline then he'll be able to pay the musicians.

Unfortunately it won't be possible to pay the musicians first and then the others. That doesn't work (the venue is very strict about money).

A few weeks ago Evan was looking for a promoter http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055797296 but I'm guessing none stepped forward so he's having a go himself. Fair play to him.

As engineer for the venue (http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055831450) he'll have his hands full between promoting the gigs, co-ordinating with the bands and running the soundchecks and PA.

At €100 to hire the venue (including PA engineer and bar staff) means at €5 a head cover charge it should only take 20 punters to break even (less if the cover is higher). The venue capacity is 250. If there are 4 bands per night and they each bring 20 paying customers each it works out like this, assuming a €5 cover charge:

Door takings €400
Venue,Bar Staff, PA €100
Leaves €300 for the bands who will get €75 to share among 3-5 people. Assuming the money is split equally between the bands regardless of the number of punters they bring or how many is in the band.



Sound about right?

MojoRocked

Best of Luck Evan, fair play to you for taking on this (pretty much thankless) job!!

iMADEtheBBC

Does nobody see the irony here ? :rolleyes:

the_syco

iMADEtheBBC wrote: »

Does nobody see the irony here ? :rolleyes:

No.

NukaCola

iMADEtheBBC wrote: »

Sound about right?

iMADEtheBBC wrote: »

Does nobody see the irony here ? :rolleyes:

Ya.....quite shocking actually....people should really READ your post.....shocking....:eek:

iMADEtheBBC

Hardly shocking

Look, Evan is doing promotion and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this. He's being upfront about it and compared to some of the sharks out there he strikes me as trying to do the right thing.

Everyone except the musicians are guaranteed payment here.
The musicians take on most of the risk and will provide the entertainment.
Yet they're last in line to be paid ? :pac:

NukaCola

iMADEtheBBC wrote: »

Hardly shocking

Was trying to throw in a bit of irony also.......lost on you though :pac: hehe

Never had any dealings with the guy so it would be unfair to comment on it TBH, but it seems like what he's doing is the norm really... I wouldn't be happy with the backline arrangement. Dont like the idea of other bands and people i dont know using my stuff, just seems like it could get messy if there was a problem...

Blanchboh

Im also running a promotions company and have nights coming up in The Village and ThinkTank!! If any bands are interested let me know!!

Evan you can contact me also if you like!!

Id would love to have a chat with you!!

the_syco

iMADEtheBBC wrote: »

Venue,Bar Staff, PA €100

Cheap venue. Unless they know him, he'll probably have to put his own cash in to rent the venue. The bands who do get paid are usually asked to play by the venues. Those that don't are those starting off. Unless the venue knows you'll bring a crowd, they won't ask you to play. So you must play a few freebies (and some at a loss) to get your face known first. Well, that's what I've seen for those playing metal gigs.

thegrove54

iMADEtheBBC wrote: »

Everyone except the musicians are guaranteed payment here.
The musicians take on most of the risk and will provide the entertainment.
Yet they're last in line to be paid ?

I always try to pay musicians but ill be honest alot of the time it never happens due to a lack of people showing up even with promotion people just dont really tend to go to gigs for unknown bands but id perfere to give the unknown bands a chance than bands who have made it.

thegrove54

here before this gets ugly im just going to say im trying to be a legit promoter after i cover costs i do try throw bands a bone but generally it hasn;t happened im offering gigs which in turn will get you publicity and the possibility of a few quid its not a gaurentee. So im just going to ask if you have nothing to say about playing a gig please do not get involved in this thread if ur going to try analyize everything i say and try twist it around to make it seem as though im trying to screw bands. I just want to run shows to a wide audience and hopefully one night in that audience will be someone in the music industry who matters and someone will get a break no gaureentees but if your going to bad mouth this or just keep going on about money then please do not come back to this thread its a MUSIC thread not a Money thread.

FATGD

yes we'd be interested...

Our music: www.myspace.com/fredrickandthegoldendawn
Our contact: fredrickandthegoldendawn@gmail.com

Thanks
Kevin

iMADEtheBBC

Evan, I really don't think anyone is having a go and I hope you don't think anything that has been said suggests you are anything but straight up.

The 'ugly' comment is unwarranted. Everyone has been reasonable and polite.

Nobody is trying to twist what you're saying, it did take a bunch of questions to get clarity on what the actual arrangement was. How many PMs did we exchange ? How many edits did you make to your original post ?

You can't go onto a public forum and describe yourself as a 'Promotions Company' when there is no "company", when your post history suggests that you're basically trying to find ways to make money. Nothing wrong with that but don't pretend to be something you're not.

There is no "promotion" going on here. You are doing a perfectly legitimate thing: you're putting together people who want to spend money with a place for them to spend it. The sad fact is that under the guise of it being "about music" the very people who are very likely not be paid for their time and effort are musicians.

It *is* about money because on the back of the work of the musicians, others are going to make money.

Let's not be naive here and let's call a spade a spade: this is about venues and associated trades making money from the fact that (mostly) young bands are desperate to be seen playing live.

It's nothing new. When I started playing in bands around town (long long before Temple Bar was safe to walk around after dark) there were venues and promoters making money off the back of bands who would do anything just to get out and play live. Meanwhile the venues have their operating costs guaranteed and will , in almost every event, make a profit from sales of alcohol.

Just because the bands are young, inexperienced etc is not a defense. If anything their lack of experience and professional support makes the exploitation of these musicians more saddening. We haven't moved on.
What do the bands get ? A live rehearsal? There won't be a talent spotter there waiting with contract in hand, there won't be a journalist feverishly writing a review, there certainly won't be a venue owner with a wad of cash saying 'thanks, here's a small percentage of the profit we've all made tonight'.

By and large it will cost the bands to play, their friends will spend money. Hopefully they will all have a good time. The question remains whether they could have done this by themselves. I believe they probably could.
Does a gig by an unknown band need a promoter ? I don't think so. How many of us have seen a poster for a gig featuring bands we've never heard of in a bar we wouldn't normally go to and thought "you know what? I'm going to go in there and spend my money". I know the answer to that and I think you do too.
It is a myth that these gigs generate publicity.

Good luck to you. I really hope it works out for you and if the bands involved get something out of it: great. But let's remember that promoting gigs like this *is* about money.

CHARTER

I am locking this thread before it turns out like the other one. Evan, if you want a new thread, ONLY start one if you follow the Charter.

CHARTER wrote:

The bands/musicians forum welcomes all information regarding upcoming events and slots needed. We are pleased that organisers and other musically minded members see Boards.ie as an important forum to communicate musical events.

However, Boards.ie has a responsibility to its members and cannot be seen to endorse any event that could potentially cause any issue. Therefore, the following criteria must be met within the body of your post otherwise your thread will be closed and removed.

1. Who is running the event (organisation, society, band etc.)
2. The purpose of the event (charity, commercial etc.)
3. Date and Location of event
4. How many acts will be on on a night
5. Any prerequisites (selling 30+ tickets etc.)
6. Is it under/over 18's
7. Type of night (Acoustic, rock etc.)
8. Cost of admission

This list may seem long but if you haven't got the answers then there is a question mark over the professionalism of your event.