Waterford v Dublin NHL

Spiritoftheseventies

Thought Paul Ryan (Ballyboden and DIT) might have got a look in but on plus side he has plenty of time on his side. Dotsy O'Callaghan starts on the bench with Tomás Brady, Oisin Gough, Joey Boland, Peter Kelly, Liam Rushe, and David Treacy all named in Starting fifteen having featured in the midweek Fitzgibbon cup clash involving DIT And UCD on Mobhi Road.

DUBLIN (SH v Waterford)
1. Gary Maguire (Ballyboden St Endas)
2. Niall Corcoran (Kilmacud Crokes)
3. Tomás Brady (Na Fianna)
4. Óisin Gough (Cuala)
5. Stephen Hiney (Capt) (Ballyboden St Endas)
6. Ronan Fallon (St Vincents)
7. Maurice OBrien (Faughs)
8. Johnny McCaffrey (Lucan Sarsfields)
9. Joseph Boland (Na Fianna)
10. Peter Kelly (Lucan Sarsfields)
11. Liam Rushe (St Pats, Palmerstown)
12. Shane Durkin (Ballyboden St Endas)
13. David Treacy (Cuala)
14. Kevin Flynn (OTooles)
15. Alan McCrabbe (Craobh Chiaráin)

Subs
16. Alan Nolan (St Brigids)
17. Dave Byrne (Nh Mearnóg)
18. Michael Carton (OTooles)
19. Simon Lambert (Ballyboden St Endas)
20. David Curtin (Ballyboden St Endas)
21. Shane Ryan (Nh Mearnóg)
22. John Kelly (St Marks)
23. Peadar Carton (OTooles)
24. David OCallaghan (St Marks)

Orizio

Looks strong. Dublin by 5.

Daysha

Just FYI for non Waterford thread visitors, we're missing...

Eoin Kelly (banned)
John Mullane (rested)
Eoin Murphy (rested)
Seamus Prendergast (rested)
Tony Browne (rested)
Dan Shanahan (rested)
Ken McGrath (injured)
Stephen Molumphy (rested)
Shane O'Sullivan (injured)
Eoin McGrath (banned)
Richie Foley (banned)

I honestly haven't a clue what kind of team Davy will even be able to put out with that many missing, but I'd still like to think we should win this game with the players on the back of the WC Cup win. Waterford by 2-3.

Orizio

Daysha wrote: »

Just FYI for non Waterford thread visitors, we're missing...

Eoin Kelly (banned)
John Mullane (rested)
Eoin Murphy (rested)
Seamus Prendergast (rested)
Tony Browne (rested)
Dan Shanahan (rested)
Ken McGrath (injured)
Stephen Molumphy (rested)
Shane O'Sullivan (injured)
Eoin McGrath (banned)
Richie Foley (banned)

I honestly haven't a clue what kind of team Davy will even be able to put out with that many missing, but I'd still like to think we should win this game with the players on the back of the WC Cup win. Waterford by 2-3.

Sickening arrogance tbf.

Daysha

Orizio wrote: »

Sickening arrogance tbf.

Waterford poster in predicting Waterford win SHOCKER!! :rolleyes:

An Citeog

I'd have Waterford as slight favourites aswell, especially given that they've home advantage. It'll be a close game though. I'm still hoping that Dublin can get something from the game though.

deisedude

Daysha wrote: »

Just FYI for non Waterford thread visitors, we're missing...

Eoin Kelly (banned)
John Mullane (rested)
Eoin Murphy (rested)
Seamus Prendergast (rested)
Tony Browne (rested)
Dan Shanahan (rested)
Ken McGrath (injured)
Stephen Molumphy (rested)
Shane O'Sullivan (injured)
Eoin McGrath (banned)
Richie Foley (banned)

I honestly haven't a clue what kind of team Davy will even be able to put out with that many missing, but I'd still like to think we should win this game with the players on the back of the WC Cup win. Waterford by 2-3.

Also missing Shane Casey and Mark O' Brien who are injured

Spiritoftheseventies

deisedude wrote: »

Also missing Shane Casey and Mark O' Brien who are injured

Have you that little respect for Dublin that you think Davy can put out a severely weakened team and still expect to win. If i was a betting man i would defintely back Dublin.

deisedude

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

Have you that little respect for Dublin that you think Davy can put out a severely weakened team and still expect to win. If i was a betting man i would defintely back Dublin.

Where did i say i expect Waterford to win in that post?

Spiritoftheseventies

deisedude wrote: »

Where did i say i expect Waterford to win in that post?

Sorry meant that for another waterford poster.

Daysha

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

Have you that little respect for Dublin that you think Davy can put out a severely weakened team and still expect to win. If i was a betting man i would defintely back Dublin.

We're at home. We've just won the Waterford Crystal Cup by beating 4 good sides, and doing so without the majority of the players listed above. That severely weakened side you talk about still has a good mix of possible C'ship starters and very promosing minor/U21 hurlers that have already excelled both last year and in the WC Cup. But then again it wouldn't surprise me if we lost at the weekend. We are without a lot of players and I know Dublin are continuing to improve every year.

Btw, you know times are changing in hurling when you're accused of showing a lack of respect to the Dubs when you predict your own county to scrap past them by a few points in our home ground

Peace

Daysha wrote: »

Just FYI for non Waterford thread visitors, we're missing...

Eoin Kelly (banned)
John Mullane (rested)
Eoin Murphy (rested)
Seamus Prendergast (rested)
Tony Browne (rested)
Dan Shanahan (rested)
Ken McGrath (injured)
Stephen Molumphy (rested)
Shane O'Sullivan (injured)
Eoin McGrath (banned)
Richie Foley (banned)

I honestly haven't a clue what kind of team Davy will even be able to put out with that many missing, but I'd still like to think we should win this game with the players on the back of the WC Cup win. Waterford by 2-3.

Stop visiting the head shops Daysha!!!

Dublin by 7.

KevIRL

Unfortunately I gotta say that Dublin are a great price at 6/4. Waterford have a host of players missing as outlined above - possibly as many as 9/10 championship starters, thats massive. Also Davy just doesnt take the league anyway seriously, we were totally muck in all the games last year apart from beating KK which was the 'revenge' match for the AI hammering. Daly and the Dubs will be seriously up for the league, dont forget they beat us last year and would have hammered us only for the heroics of Power in goal.

I cant look to the Waterford Crystal Cup as much of a pointer as it really is just a tournament for warming up, plus we were extremely poor in the final and unjustly beat a college side. Since then losing a challenge to Cork.

I really hope I'm wrong but Dublin to win this, and a possible relegation struggle for us this year.

KevIRL

Daysha wrote: »

Waterford poster in predicting Waterford win SHOCKER!! :rolleyes:

tbf Daysha considering the rest of your post highlighting so many of Waterfords stars out and then to just throw in a prediction of a Waterford win at the end it does smack of a bit of arrogance. $hit-stirrer as our good pal Orizio can be, he had a point this time I feel.

The post later in the thread where you highlighted some reasons for a Waterford win wasnt arrogant in slightest btw.

Daysha

KevIRL wrote: »

tbf Daysha considering the rest of your post highlighting so many of Waterfords stars out and then to just throw in a prediction of a Waterford win at the end it does smack of a bit of arrogance. $hit-stirrer as our good pal Orizio can be, he had a point this time I feel.

Fair enough, apologies if that was the case.

Clano

typical dublin "arrogance" and ye think we're arrogant.
What makes ye think ye will win by the way? What are ye basing this on?
Waterford by 4 or 5.........and thats not arrogance its a prediction.:rolleyes:

Orizio

Daysha wrote: »

Waterford poster in predicting Waterford cripples, teenagers, geriatrics and junior hurlers win SHOCKER!! :rolleyes:

Fixed.

Orizio

Clano wrote: »

typical dublin "arrogance" and ye think we're arrogant.
What makes ye think ye will win by the way? What are ye basing this on?
Waterford by 4 or 5.........and thats not arrogance its a prediction.:rolleyes:

Spot on Clano, its about time someone put those Dublin up-starts back in their box, no doubt the mighty Gary Hurney and his fellow Deisemen will be the ones smiling on Sunday.

Reginald P. DuM

I agree with KevIRL, the Dubs at 6/4 is a great price, normally I don't bet on GAA matches but this is too good to pass up. A decimated Waterford squad against an improving team, lead by a capable manager with a proper outlook on the league. I'd be very surprised if Dublin don't win this.

Spiritoftheseventies

Clano wrote: »

typical dublin "arrogance" and ye think we're arrogant.
What makes ye think ye will win by the way? What are ye basing this on?
Waterford by 4 or 5.........and thats not arrogance its a prediction.:rolleyes:

simple really. We are putting out a strong team. We just missed out on NHL semis last year. Form points to a dublin win.

adrian522

No Semis last year or this year. top 2 go to the final.

I'd give Dublin a good shout at winning this.

Dublin had a good year last year but I thought they were poor against a bad limerick team and folded a little too easily.

If they want to kick on this year they need a good league starting on Sunday. Dublin by 3.

Daysha

It looks like I'm not going to make this one, I'll be stuck in Dublin (off all the places :P). It's probably a long shot but does anyone know of a good place near or around Parnell Park to watch the game? TG4 are only showing deferred coverage though so I dunno how many places will end up showing it.

Spiritoftheseventies

Daysha wrote: »

It looks like I'm not going to make this one, I'll be stuck in Dublin (off all the places :P). It's probably a long shot but does anyone know of a good place near or around Parnell Park to watch the game? TG4 are only showing deferred coverage though so I dunno how many places will end up showing it.

If its live try the Beachcomber on Howth Road. Plenty of pubs on Malahide road as well. Think the Goblet is the nearest, (St Vincents is five minutes away from Parnell Park so they are bound to be showing it as well)

Daysha

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

If its live try the Beachcomber on Howth Road. Plenty of pubs on Malahide road as well. Think the Goblet is the nearest, (St Vincents is five minutes away from Parnell Park so they are bound to be showing it as well)

Cheers for that, like I said cause it's only deferred I wouldn't be so sure, but I might take a wander round there eventually. (I'd have some fun wearing my Waterford jersey in St. Vincents )

Spiritoftheseventies

Daysha wrote: »

Cheers for that, like I said cause it's only deferred I wouldn't be so sure, but I might take a wander round there eventually. (I'd have some fun wearing my Waterford jersey in St. Vincents )

Ah they wouldnt have a problem with it. Once wore a Dublin jersey to a Kildare Donegal game for a dare. Got a bit of a slagging over it but the banter was mighty

Deise Tom

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

DUBLIN (SH v Waterford)
1. Gary Maguire (Ballyboden St Endas)
2. Niall Corcoran (Kilmacud Crokes)
3. Tomás Brady (Na Fianna)
4. Óisin Gough (Cuala)
5. Stephen Hiney (Capt) (Ballyboden St Endas)
6. Ronan Fallon (St Vincents)
7. Maurice OBrien (Faughs)
8. Johnny McCaffrey (Lucan Sarsfields)
9. Joseph Boland (Na Fianna)
10. Peter Kelly (Lucan Sarsfields)
11. Liam Rushe (St Pats, Palmerstown)
12. Shane Durkin (Ballyboden St Endas)
13. David Treacy (Cuala)
14. Kevin Flynn (OTooles)
15. Alan McCrabbe (Craobh Chiaráin)

Subs
16. Alan Nolan (St Brigids)
17. Dave Byrne (Nh Mearnóg)
18. Michael Carton (OTooles)
19. Simon Lambert (Ballyboden St Endas)
20. David Curtin (Ballyboden St Endas)
21. Shane Ryan (Nh Mearnóg)
22. John Kelly (St Marks)
23. Peadar Carton (OTooles)
24. David OCallaghan (St Marks)

Waterford Team to play Dublin on Sunday

1. Clinton Hennessy
2. Jerome Maher
3. Liam Lawlor
4. Noel Connors
5. Declan Prendergast
6. Michael Walsh
7. James Murray
8. Jamie Neagle
9. Richie Foley
10. Maurice Shanahan
11. Kevin Moran
12. Tomas Connors
13. Shane Walsh
14. Garry Hurney
15. Stephen Molumphy Capt
16. Adrian Power
17. Mark O’Brien
18. Michael Doherty
19. Aidan Kearney
20. Owen Whelan
21. Tomas Ryan
22. Brian Phelan
23. Martin O’Neill
24. Shane Fives

Mullet

Daysha wrote: »

It looks like I'm not going to make this one, I'll be stuck in Dublin (off all the places :P). It's probably a long shot but does anyone know of a good place near or around Parnell Park to watch the game? TG4 are only showing deferred coverage though so I dunno how many places will end up showing it.

Try Craobh Ciarans Club house at the back of Parnell Park there a hurling club too. Heading to waterford for this game but obviusly posters on this site predicting a dublin win havent seen them play recently. I saw them play galway last sunday in the walsh cup and they were poor and galway won with plenty to spare. Yes dublin were missing a few but dublin were so far off the pace. I think waterford will have a bit to spare over the dubs on sunday.

Cake Man

Mullet wrote: »

Try Craobh Ciarans Club house at the back of Parnell Park there a hurling club too. Heading to waterford for this game but obviusly posters on this site predicting a dublin win havent seen them play recently. I saw them play galway last sunday in the walsh cup and they were poor and galway won with plenty to spare. Yes dublin were missing a few but dublin were so far off the pace. I think waterford will have a bit to spare over the dubs on sunday.

Don't expect much of Walsh Park! :P I'd say a good few of ye will make the journey down?
I'd say it'll be a fairly close game and wouldn't be surprised if ye won. We've a fairly young team named, whereas yerselves have a strong team (and bench tbh).
Should be a good game, looking forward to some hurling again!

Gingy

Lads, this blind cockiness kills our footballers, please don't bring it into the hurling side as well. We could win down there on Sunday, but it would still be a decent upset. We played quite poorly last Sunday against Galway at home. The college lads are only coming back now and that's a good chunk of the Dublin team, so they might take a few games to settle back.

This Waterford team might appear to be weak, but they still have Hennessy, Connors, Prendergast, Brick, Neagle, Mo Shanahan, Hurney and Molumphy. I hope we'll do it, but Waterford are still justifiably favourites.

Daysha

I dunno which is more surprising, the fact Molumphy is playing or the fact he's playing in corner forward!

A bit disappointed Martin O'Neill isn't starting ahead of Tomas Connors, I would've thought his performances in the WC Cup would've been enough to earn him a place in the startin XV.

Spiritoftheseventies

Gingy wrote: »

Lads, this blind cockiness kills our footballers, please don't bring it into the hurling side as well. We could win down there on Sunday, but it would still be a decent upset. We played quite poorly last Sunday against Galway at home. The college lads are only coming back now and that's a good chunk of the Dublin team, so they might take a few games to settle back.

This Waterford team might appear to be weak, but they still have Hennessy, Connors, Prendergast, Brick, Neagle, Mo Shanahan, Hurney and Molumphy. I hope we'll do it, but Waterford are still justifiably favourites.

I would have a lot more confidence in hurlers than our footballers at the moment tbh

Clano

Daysha wrote: »

I dunno which is more surprising, the fact Molumphy is playing or the fact he's playing in corner forward!

A bit disappointed Martin O'Neill isn't starting ahead of Tomas Connors, I would've thought his performances in the WC Cup would've been enough to earn him a place in the startin XV.

id say hel probably swap with baby shan and come out around the 40 hed get through great work there.

Im also disappointed about nailer but what a sub to bring on hes nearly got a goal in every game this year so far. He had 1-2 off ollie canning after 6 mins against portumna:eek:

An Citeog

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

I would have a lot more confidence in hurlers than our footballers at the moment tbh

Why's that? Dublin hurling has improved massively over the last 5 years but they're still a fair bit off the level of the likes of Kilkenny, Tipperary, Waterford, Cork and Galway imo. Hopefully Dublin can break into that top tier in the next 5 years but they're definitely not there yet.

Footballers, on the other hand, have won the last 5 Leinsters in a row and although they're still behind the likes of Kerry, Tyrone and probably Cork, they are in the top tier of counties. 2 from 2 in the national league aswell means I'd still have more confidence in our footballers than hurlers.

Reginald P. DuM

From an outsider I see the Dublin hurlers on an upward curve, and the footballers the opposite. Let's face it there has been little or no competition in Leinster football the last number of years. Too much hype surrounding the footballers and they as as far off Kerry as the hurlers are off Kilkenny.

Spiritoftheseventies

An Citeog wrote: »

Why's that? Dublin hurling has improved massively over the last 5 years but they're still a fair bit off the level of the likes of Kilkenny, Tipperary, Waterford, Cork and Galway imo. Hopefully Dublin can break into that top tier in the next 5 years but they're definitely not there yet.

Footballers, on the other hand, have won the last 5 Leinsters in a row and although they're still behind the likes of Kerry, Tyrone and probably Cork, they are in the top tier of counties. 2 from 2 in the national league aswell means I'd still have more confidence in our footballers than hurlers.

Well as has been argued Leinster football is non competitive at the moment. Hurlers have been knocking on the door a long time. Have turned in two excellent leagues and have been competitive in last two All Ireland series.

Deise Tom

Mullet wrote: »

Try Craobh Ciarans Club house at the back of Parnell Park there a hurling club too. Heading to waterford for this game but obviusly posters on this site predicting a dublin win havent seen them play recently. I saw them play galway last sunday in the walsh cup and they were poor and galway won with plenty to spare. Yes dublin were missing a few but dublin were so far off the pace. I think waterford will have a bit to spare over the dubs on sunday.

Waterford against UCC in the Crystal Cup were almost as poor as the day they pl;ayed Limerick in the drawn game last year.

deisedude

Why in the name of God isn't Kearney playing? Surely better than Murray. Power should be playing too, we all know what Clinton can do

comeraghs

Where in Dublin are Faughs & O´Tooles GAA clubs based?

good to see Mark O´Brien (Tallow) is recovered from his injury ... we might well be a future regular at corner back or even fullback.

You´ll be grand in the Vincents or Ciarans clubhouses with your jersey on,

Gingy

comeraghs wrote: »

Where in Dublin are Faughs & O´Tooles GAA clubs based?

good to see Mark O´Brien (Tallow) is recovered from his injury ... we might well be a future regular at corner back or even fullback.

You´ll be grand in the Vincents or Ciarans clubhouses with your jersey on,

Faughs are in Templeogue, just up from the Spawell roundabout, right beside Judes are are a hurling only club. O'Tooles play in Ayrfield on the Malahide Road, mainly a hurling club, and also involved in the Eamonn Fennel scandal.

I wouldn't put the hurlers ahead of the footballers just yet. In my opinion the footballers are 4th behind Kerry, Cork, Tyrone, but have the ability to beat these teams on any given day.

Possibly controversially, I'd put the hurlers 5th in the country, behind Kilkenny, Tipperary, Galway and Waterford, but the chances of them beating any of the above in a big game would be slimmer. They're definitely ahead of Wexford, Clare and Offaly. Limerick will take a while to rebuild from the current crisis and Cork seem to have stagnated, they don't have the underage talent at the moment and are relying on the old guard.

Orizio

No offence Gingy, but I seriously doubt you'll be dwindling under that Dublin>>>Cork delusion come the end of the season.

deisedude

Gingy wrote: »

Faughs are in Templeogue, just up from the Spawell roundabout, right beside Judes are are a hurling only club. O'Tooles play in Ayrfield on the Malahide Road, mainly a hurling club, and also involved in the Eamonn Fennel scandal.

I wouldn't put the hurlers ahead of the footballers just yet. In my opinion the footballers are 4th behind Kerry, Cork, Tyrone, but have the ability to beat these teams on any given day.

Possibly controversially, I'd put the hurlers 5th in the country, behind Kilkenny, Tipperary, Galway and Waterford, but the chances of them beating any of the above in a big game would be slimmer. They're definitely ahead of Wexford, Clare and Offaly. Limerick will take a while to rebuild from the current crisis and Cork seem to have stagnated, they don't have the underage talent at the moment and are relying on the old guard.

Until Dublin beat the bigger teams in championship games they can't really say they are ahead of them IMO

adrian522

I'd put the current state of the teams at:

KK
Tipp
Galway
Waterford
Cork
Wexford
Dublin
Offaly
Clare
antrim
Calrlow
Westmeath
...
...
Leitrim
Sligo
Tyrone
Armagh
Limerick

KevIRL

adrian522 wrote: »

I'd put the current state of the teams at:

KK
Tipp
Galway
Waterford
Cork
Wexford
Dublin
Offaly
Clare
antrim
Calrlow
Westmeath
...
...
Leitrim
Sligo
Tyrone
Armagh
Limerick

This is clearly wrong.

Armagh should be ahead of Tyrone, Sligo and Leitrim

adrian522

My Bad...

Orizio

I'd go:

KK
Tipp
Galway
Cork/Waterford
Dublin/Clare
Offaly/Wexford
Laois
Westmeath/Kildare/Antrim/Carlow
Limerick

And after that I don't give a ****.

An Citeog

Orizio wrote: »

I'd go:

KK
Tipp
Galway
Cork/Waterford
Dublin/Clare
Offaly/Wexford
Laois
Westmeath/Kildare/Antrim/Carlow
Limerick

And after that I don't give a ****.

I'd agree with this.

deisedude

I don't know why everyone rates Galway so highly. Who of note have they beat in the last three years in the chapionship to deserve such acclaim?

adrian522

Cork for starters.....

Orizio

They are one of only two teams in the country capable of beating KK imo.

deisedude

adrian522 wrote: »

Cork for starters.....

I said of note:D Cork last year were pitifully bad, any Cork man would tell you that.

adrian522

OK, Fair point, well made...

I do feel they improved a lot last year and expect to see them hurling well into August this year...