WAGs

Catari Jaguar

So.. according to a recent British survey, 1/5 young girls want to be a WAG.

With this whole John Terry thing a lot of light is being shed on the seedy goings on of these WAGs and the young wannabes. Now, I generally think the Daily Mail is a biased rag, but these articles were pretty disturbing.

Toxic WAG "virus"

My night out with wannabe WAGs

From a 17 year old on the prowl at one of these night clubs: 'Footballers earn £150,000 in a week. You do the maths. That's the way to get rich, and you get famous and appear in OK! and have fantastic holidays. Even if it's just an affair, they still give you loads of money to spend.'

I personally think the majority of these footballers are brainless scumbags and I have no idea why they get paid so much money for something so irrelevant (but that's neither here nor there!). I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.

How did it jump from seemingly happily married Victoria Beckham and Coleen Rooney to a tramp like Vanessa Peroncel (having an affair, getting pregnant on purpose, and getting paid to abort the baby and keep it under wraps). Maybe it started with Rebecca Loos, she made an estimated £1 million from the supposed David Beckham scandal. Even Tiger Woods has 6 mistresses that are milking it!

What is the point in these WAGs? Surely they do more harm than good to footballers careers, why the attraction? And why the obsession with them in celebrity magazines? What do they even do? (apart from bleach their hair, wear fake tan and short skirts!)

Do any women here really admire and aspire to be WAGs? What do our male posters think of it all?

gonnaplayrugby

Lil Kitten wrote: »

So.. according to a recent British survey, 1/5 young girls want to be a WAG.

With this whole John Terry thing a lot of light is being shed on the seedy goings on of these WAGs and the young wannabes. Now, I generally think the Daily Mail is a biased rag, but these articles were pretty disturbing.

Toxic WAG "virus"

My night out with wannabe WAGs



I personally think the majority of these footballers are brainless scumbags and I have no idea why they get paid so much money for something so irrelevant (but that's neither here nor there!). I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.

How did it jump from seemingly happily married Victoria Beckham and Coleen Rooney to a tramp like Vanessa Peroncel (having an affair, getting pregnant on purpose, and getting paid to abort the baby and keep it under wraps). Maybe it started with Rebecca Loos, she made an estimated £1 million from the supposed David Beckham scandal. Even Tiger Woods has 6 mistresses that are milking it!

What is the point in these WAGs? Surely they do more harm than good to footballers careers, why the attraction? And why the obsession with them in celebrity magazines? What do they even do? (apart from bleach their hair, wear fake tan and short skirts!)

Do any women here really admire and aspire to be WAGs? What do our male posters think of it all?

riiiiight..

Maple

Gonnaplayrugby banned for 1 week for trolling.

back on topic. Good choice Lil Kitten.

Maple.

minidazzler

Lil Kitten wrote: »

I personally think the majority of these footballers are brainless scumbags and I have no idea why they get paid so much money for something so irrelevant (but that's neither here nor there!). I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.

OK, the rest I can understand, basically, WAG's or those who aspire to be such are gold diggers.

But to say the MAJORITY of footballers are Brainless Scumbags based on what is said in the media is well.....brainless.

They get paid so much because they are exceptionally talented and people like to have others to follow.

That said, I can't stand the WAG's mentality, they are generally Victoria Beckham clones and I find very few of them attractive. They remind me of Paris Hilton, talentless drones. At least the men they fawn over have a huge degree of talent.

On the last part of the quoted piece, are you saying you wouldn't touch a Footballer just because they are a professional footballer? Remember, they could be the smartest person you have ever met, there is more than just book smarts and sports players tend to be quite good with spatial reasoning.

A distaste for WAG's I can understand, Footballers not so much, they have a talent and they use it what's wrong with that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqgM7ALsWNU

panda100

Lil Kitten wrote: »

I personally think the majority of these footballers are brainless scumbags and I have no idea why they get paid so much money for something so irrelevant (but that's neither here nor there!). I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.

While I think brainless scumbags is a bit harsh,I do agree that what they get paid for kicking a football around a pitch for 90minutes is ridiculous!

Maybe young women would aspire to become respected soccer players rather than wags, as soon as accomplished female athletes are given a bit of respect and attention in the mainstream media.
Football is a multi-billion industry that completely marginalises women, If your lucky you may be a bit of arm candy for the men on the side but thats only If your very,very special and waxed, hair extensioned,tanned to within an inch of your life. Unfortunately this is the only way women can get media attention and make money in the soccer industry.

Catari Jaguar

minidazzler wrote: »

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On the last part of the quoted piece, are you saying you wouldn't touch a Footballer just because they are a professional footballer?

I didn't say "footballers", I said "THESE footballers". The ones in the articles. That turn up in night clubs and take young girls into toilets then outside to snort lines of coke. So "clever" they can't even realise that they're being taken for a ride (literally & metaphorically)

This isn't about me. This is about WAGS and teh aforementioned articles.

Talented as you like, I still don't think they warrant €150,000 a week. But like I said neither here nor there. That's my opinion.

minidazzler

panda100 wrote: »

While I think brainless scumbags is a bit harsh,I do agree that what they get paid for kicking a football around a pitch for 90minutes is ridiculous!

There is a story about some artist I can't remember who exactly, very famous guy.

He was in a cafe minding his own business having been in the Art game for over 50 years just enjoying a coffee.

A Fan of his came up to him and asked the artist to draw him something.

The Artist proceeded to draw a small but masterful sketch on a napkin in less than a minute and then looked at the patron right in the eye and said "That will be $500,000".

The patron obviously shocked says "But it only took you 30 seconds to draw it!"

The artist replies "Yes, 30 seconds to draw this but it took me 50 years to aquire the skills to draw this piece in 30 seconds"


My point is, while the pay they recieve is huge they are getting it because they are doing something few people can do so well.

Would you like to see Doctors get paid 20,000 a year because they are only giving people medicine sure?

o1s1n

minidazzler wrote: »

My point is, while the pay they recieve is huge they are getting it because they are doing something few people can do so well.

Would you like to see Doctors get paid 20,000 a year because they are only giving people medicine sure?

You're seriously equating doctors getting paid a lot of money for having in depth life saving knowledge to people who get paid obscene amounts for having the ability to kick a piece of leather about?

They get paid lots as huge money is pumped into football. It's big business. Without that their pay would be nowhere near what it currently is.

On the other hand, the knowledge of doctors is always needed. We'd be dead without them.

And as for WAGS - it's as bad as people who want to be famous just for the sake of being famous. Pathetic lot the bunch of them.

Although similarly to the Westboro Baptist Church, by talking about them we're pretty much giving them what they want...

Catari Jaguar

minidazzler wrote: »

Would you like to see Doctors get paid 20,000 a year because they are only giving people medicine sure?

Oh Lord, comparing footballers to doctors...

Look, this topic is about WAGs.

PeakOutput

if you look at what average intelligence is and then come to the realisation at least 50% of the world are below average intelligence it becomes less shocking that people like this exist

sorry to be crude in tll but were there are dicks with money there will be ***** trying to get some of it anyway they can

minidazzler

OK, just read both Daily Fail articles. They are by far the most biased pieces of rubbish I have ever read.

Girls use bodies to try to score big money or rich successful man shocker.

Men have sex with girls consentually in full knowledge they are gold diggers shocker.

It's a situation where people mutually use eachother for either sex or money.

I don't see a problem with it really. It happens every weekend even in fair old dublin with alot less money on the table.

What is the actual problem with what these girls are doing? It's perfectly legal after all, maybe a little immoral, but if you can get away with it who cares?

shellyboo

Probably the parents of the little girls who are now aspiring to be such morally void specimens care, mini. Did you bother reading the OP at all or did you just come in to stand up for footballers?

1in 5 girls now want to be WAGs when they grow up. Do you not see how much of a backwards step that is? Little girls who can now do *anything in the world* that they want would like to be... married to a rich footballer. As a career. It's worrying to say the least, and the people involved have a lot to answer for in courting publicity the way they do.

panda100

minidazzler wrote: »

OK, just read both Daily Fail articles. They are by far the most biased pieces of rubbish I have ever read.

Girls use bodies to try to score big money or rich successful man shocker.

Men have sex with girls consentually in full knowledge they are gold diggers shocker.

It's a situation where people mutually use eachother for either sex or money.

I don't see a problem with it really. It happens every weekend even in fair old dublin with alot less money on the table.

What is the actual problem with what these girls are doing? It's perfectly legal after all, maybe a little immoral, but if you can get away with it who cares?

I think its a question of respect.
The footballers are treated with high esteem while the WAGS are treated with contempt. Their seen as ditzy girls who dont understand the offside rule or domineering,souless b*tches who run and ruin their husbands careers a la Victoria Beckham.

I guess also it reinforces the idea that men are all team players that all get on while women compete against each other to get the attention of men. The media love reinfocring divisions between women so pay little attention to women playing team sports and focus on hot,nubile young tennis players and WAG's instead.

panda100

Also on the whole John Terry thing I don't really get it. Why would John Terry be dropped as captain for something he did in his personal life?

Surely your profesional life and personal life should be kept seperate unless they have a bearing on how you perform on the pitch?

I simply refuse to by anything or watch anything "celebrity" orientated these days.
I can't understand how these Magazines stay in business. They have no content.
I have heard horrific things about the high school musical type ones aimed at young girls.


Having said that, I wouldn't worry too much about this statistic. Assuming it is even accurate.
When I was 7, I wanted to be Kylie Mingoue. I've thankful yet to wield a mike in anger.
Then when I was 11, I decided I wanted to be a solictor.
I'd be the worst solictor ever, unfairness and systems bug the living daylights out of me.
How many of us know our talents, or have found our niche in life aged 7?
Or would want to!

Latchy

FIFA president Sepp Blatter ( who laughd out loud at suggestion Ireland should be allowed compete in world cup finals ) was quoted last week in the media saying John Terry would be a hero for his off-field antics — if he was not English.

Blatter said: "This is a special approach in the Anglo-Saxon countries. If this had happened in, let's say, Latin countries then I think he would have been applauded." .

hmmmmm ......that's 'some culture clash alright

But it was another non -Englishman , Fabio Capello who took John Terry Captaincy away and now that he has kicked the players wives and girlfriends into touch at the the world cup finals, it will be intresting to see how well England actually perfom on the pitch without the distraction of the Wags

Jules

Personally, i think the main reason for this kind of thing is that women are not being inspired to be all they can be. With the glossy mags and Hello type publication every week having the same kind of thing in it. Girls who are famous for who they are married to, or famous for all the wrong reasons. In these mags girls are shown how to make themselves look "better" in order to get a man. What make up to wear, clothes to choose and even in some what to say! It makes me sick!

panda100

Latchy wrote: »

it will be intresting to see how well England actually perfom on the pitch without the distraction of the Wags

I definately don't like this idea that WAGS are a 'distraction' while the men get on with doing the important work of kicking a ball around for 90 minutes.

Surely having your girlfriend/wife/partner there to support you will be an important part in playing to the best of your ability? My ex was a county player for Meath and I would have been mightily annoyed If I was called a 'distraction' at one of his games!!

Latchy

panda100 wrote: »

I definately don't like this idea that WAGS are a 'distraction' while the men get on with doing the important work of kicking a ball around for 90 minutes.

Surely having your girlfriend/wife/partner there to support you will be an important part in playing to the best of your ability? My ex was a county player for Meath and I would have been mightily annoyed If I was called a 'distraction' at one of his games!!

Yes but players need to be focused 100% and the media hype that follows the Wags around as much as the football is a distraction in itself

Intresting to see how much improvement there has been in the England set up since Fabio Capello took over as manager bringing in much needed discipline that has being sadly lacking in other England sides.

When it comes to the football side of things were it matters , on the pitch , having your wives and girlfriends in the stand is important but in between important matches players and Wags 'may' have other physical things on their minds (sex) which 'may ' take away from their physical performance on the pitch .Might sound funny but this I think , is the thinking behind it as much anything else .

G-Money

Ah, I can't really stand them gold diggers myself to be honest. I'm not sure I totally buy into the media being to blame. Yeah there are images everywhere but at the end of the day, most people still have brains and can decide what to do for themselves and how to live their lives.

I haven't really been following the whole John Terry thing. I knew he had an affair with that girl, and perhaps I misread it, but did she intentionally get pregnant, to get an abortion and a payoff? Like I say, I might have misread that but if that's true, it's one of the most shallow, depraved and materialistic things I've ever heard.

At the same time, I don't have any time for football full stop. Like I always say. For people who are 'professionals' and who do nothing else, you'd think they'd be a lot better at it. Sure 90% of the time they botch everything and seem to be aiming the ball at someone at the top of the stadium.

The_Kew_Tour

Tbh im little surprised that the figure is only at 20%.

From what i see these days there plenty of girls looking for the guy with the ££££ or €€€€. I know a footballer who plays in Italy (he not Irish) and a well known rugby player who plays in Wales (again not Irish). My footballer mate is one about grand a week he plays for lower league team gets no attention really and rugby mate is on about 1/4 million thereabouts. Girls are all over him when we go out. I see girls basically doing anything (and I mean anything) to get with him. Lucky for him he decent guy and really takes no notice thankfully as his career to him is more important.

We live in virtual world these days im afraid where money is the centre of everything. It is sad soemtimes but thats way things are these days.

Jules

lads can we keep it on topic please, this is about young girl aspiring to be WAGS, not about footballers!

kerash

panda100 wrote: »

While I think brainless scumbags is a bit harsh,I do agree that what they get paid for kicking a football around a pitch for 90minutes is ridiculous!

Maybe young women would aspire to become respected soccer players rather than wags, as soon as accomplished female athletes are given a bit of respect and attention in the mainstream media.
Football is a multi-billion industry that completely marginalises women, If your lucky you may be a bit of arm candy for the men on the side but thats only If your very,very special and waxed, hair extensioned,tanned to within an inch of your life. Unfortunately this is the only way women can get media attention and make money in the soccer industry.

I think you are forgetting that those women who aspire to be wags are very very different kinds of people to those who aspire to become athletes.

It's a certain kind of woman that becomes a 'wag' and a certain type of man who wants to marry one. It's people that are the problem not money or football, imo.

Snowie

Lil Kitten wrote: »

So.. according to a recent British survey, 1/5 young girls want to be a WAG.

With this whole John Terry thing a lot of light is being shed on the seedy goings on of these WAGs and the young wannabes. Now, I generally think the Daily Mail is a biased rag, but these articles were pretty disturbing.

Toxic WAG "virus"

My night out with wannabe WAGs



I personally think the majority of these footballers are brainless scumbags and I have no idea why they get paid so much money for something so irrelevant (but that's neither here nor there!). I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.

How did it jump from seemingly happily married Victoria Beckham and Coleen Rooney to a tramp like Vanessa Peroncel (having an affair, getting pregnant on purpose, and getting paid to abort the baby and keep it under wraps). Maybe it started with Rebecca Loos, she made an estimated £1 million from the supposed David Beckham scandal. Even Tiger Woods has 6 mistresses that are milking it!

What is the point in these WAGs? Surely they do more harm than good to footballers careers, why the attraction? And why the obsession with them in celebrity magazines? What do they even do? (apart from bleach their hair, wear fake tan and short skirts!)

Do any women here really admire and aspire to be WAGs? What do our male posters think of it all?

In fairness its the dailymail. Their not exactly renowed for there. gound breaking storys more so toiolet trash... Doesnt ian hislop read the mail and insit he allways..loosing in Have I got news for you?


any way if girls want to dumb them selves down so be it... if they lack the intelegence to see what their doing. So be it.
The only people you really have to be concerned about is if you have one a daughter son or wife or boyfriemd...

Besides wheres who proof?

Catari Jaguar

kerash wrote: »

It's a certain kind of woman that becomes a 'wag' and a certain type of man who wants to marry one. It's people that are the problem not money or football, imo.

The men don't want to marry them. These are mistreses that I'm talking about, a bit on the side that gets a platinum card. Girls aged 16 - 24 whose main goal in life is to shag a footballer in a nightclub toilet just to sell their story to a tabloid or maybe be lucky enough to get knocked up so that they can claim a small fortune very year in maintenance for little Junior. Set up for life by whoring yourself out.

Boston

Lil Kitten wrote: »

I personally think the majority of these footballers are brainless scumbags and I have no idea why they get paid so much money for something so irrelevant (but that's neither here nor there!). I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.

I'd never call a footballed a genus, but there's no reason to believe they have below average intelligence. They get paid the money they paid because their talent makes a lot of people a lot of money and they are deserving in a cut. Hundreds of thousands of people go to matching, paying millions of Euro to watch a team of 22 people kick a ball around. I don't see why they would get minimum wage. Also, being an athlete isn't exactly easy. It's no more irrelevant then any other sport, or music or cultural event.

panda100 wrote: »

I think its a question of respect.
The footballers are treated with high esteem while the WAGS are treated with contempt. Their seen as ditzy girls who dont understand the offside rule or domineering,souless b*tches who run and ruin their husbands careers a la Victoria Beckham.

I guess also it reinforces the idea that men are all team players that all get on while women compete against each other to get the attention of men. The media love reinfocring divisions between women so pay little attention to women playing team sports and focus on hot,nubile young tennis players and WAG's instead.

Respect? I've never respected someone who had no respect for themselves. If you define you own self worth in terms of your partners success why would I respect you? That makes you basically a leach, a parasite.

The media focuses on what sells papers, you can't blame them for societies desires.

Lil Kitten wrote: »

The men don't want to marry them. These are mistreses that I'm talking about, a bit on the side that gets a platinum card. Girls aged 16 - 24 whose main goal in life is to shag a footballer in a nightclub toilet just to sell their story to a tabloid or maybe be lucky enough to get knocked up so that they can claim a small fortune very year in maintenance for little Junior. Set up for life by whoring yourself out.

This isn't restricted to footballers. It happens all the time. How many women cannot feel fulfilled unless they have a man, any man? How many girls, even in this age, feel there only future is as a mother in a housing estate?

krudler

Girls probably see it as an easy way to get famous, and therefore money and a lifestyle they want without having to work hard for it, look at Coleen whatsherface, apparently now shes a "fashion icon" and "entrepeneur" ummm, how does spending your boyfriends/husbands/whatever money on designer clothes make you an "icon"? I'd be sickened if I had a daughter whose only ambition was to marry someone famous to get an easy life, I'm all for girls being able to and wanting to do whatever they aspire to in life, but marrying a rich guy isnt one of them. Its a testament to how dumbed down todays society is becoming where girls are more interested in people like Coleen and Paris Hilton than women involved in science or athlethics or literature, being nobody for a living is the new career apparently.

Silverfish

krudler wrote: »

Girls probably see it as an easy way to get famous, and therefore money and a lifestyle they want without having to work hard for it, look at Coleen whatsherface, apparently now shes a "fashion icon" and "entrepeneur" ummm, how does spending your boyfriends/husbands/whatever money on designer clothes make you an "icon"? I'd be sickened if I had a daughter whose only ambition was to marry someone famous to get an easy life, I'm all for girls being able to and wanting to do whatever they aspire to in life, but marrying a rich guy isnt one of them. Its a testament to how dumbed down todays society is becoming where girls are more interested in people like Coleen and Paris Hilton than women involved in science or athlethics or literature, being nobody for a living is the new career apparently.

I thought colleen whatsherface and the rooney lad were together way before he became famous.

She met Wayne Rooney when she was 12 through best friend Rowan Dickson, with whom she remains close friends. They lived in the same Liverpool suburb of Croxteth. They supposedly began a relationship at the age of 16, when they had left secondary school.

Yeah, so I think she's not a great example. She seems to be with him cos she liked him, not for his money.

Catari Jaguar

Boston wrote: »

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This isn't restricted to footballers. It happens all the time. How many women cannot feel fulfilled unless they have a man, any man? How many girls, even in this age, feel there only future is as a mother in a housing estate?

Missing the point much? It's not that these WAG wannabes want to be mothers, it's to trap the rich men. Maintenance payments for next 18 years. Or maybe they'll be paid as a bribe to have an abortion.

It's not a relationship they want, it's to provide sex to married/attached footballers that want to stray and get credit cards in return. They look for them in clubs so they can have a drunken shag. The men aren't innocent, they're looking for the same thing.

If this results in getting you tabloid inches then that's successful.

If girls in houseing estates feel like that, and they do (I've taught 6th class girls that want to be "a ma or a hairdresser") than that needs to rectified and they need to be taught to apply themselves, and that they can carve out a successful andf meaningful life for themselves, give them education and ambition, there IS a world outside of what they know. Not send out the message that if they ike their skirt up enough they can get a gold necklace.

Boston

Lil Kitten wrote: »

Missing the point much? It's not that these WAG wannabes want to be mothers, it's to trap the rich men. Maintenance payments for next 18 years. Or maybe they'll be paid as a bribe to have an abortion.

How is that different to a girl having a baby because it's a status symbol or social welfare? Or is your point that i'm missing that it's only wrong when it done for millions?

Catari Jaguar

Coleen has a LOT of business savvy with brains to burn apparently (11 GCSEs), and she never used sex in her career. So she's a way better role model than these other "wags". She would have been succesful even without Wayne's career. She wouldn't be a young millionaire or celebrity though!!

Catari Jaguar

Boston wrote: »

How is that different to a girl having a baby because it's a status symbol or social welfare? Or is your point that i'm missing that it's only wrong when it done for millions?

Yes, and they're also homewreckers.

There's a difference between not knowing any better and being manipulative and calculating.

The reporter says loads of these girls come from upper and middle class families. So what's their reasoning? More Jimmy Choo shoes?

Boston

So when a working class girl traps a man and manipulates the system for an easy life it's because she's ignorant and uneducated, but when a middle class girl does it shes a homewrecker and manipulative? You realise this attitude is part of the problem and I'd be more concerned about the "working class" girls then the rare, isolated, wags.

G-Money

Famous or not, I just don't think much of anyone who will conceive a child for purely for shallow, gold digging financial reasons.

Can you imagine telling that child how it came into the world? Oh yeah, I wanted an easy life and a regular monthly payment so I just shagged whoever the first footballer was that came along.

Catari Jaguar

Boston wrote: »

So when a working class girl traps a man and manipulates the system for an easy life it's because she's ignorant and uneducated, but when a middle class girl does it shes a homewrecker and manipulative? You realise this attitude is part of the problem and I'd be more concerned about the "working class" girls then the rare, isolated, wags.

You're such a word twister!! I would not compare a WAG to a council estate girl getting pregnant. You did that. I don't believe that at all...

I teach in inner city Dublin. When you see a 26 year old with 5 kids hanging out of her, and her kids don't even have school uniforms and they live in a high rise flat you wouldn't talk about a system given "easy life". What a comparison :rolleyes:

These girls get pregnant as young as 13 because they don't know any better. Not taught sex ed, they aren't trapping a man, and many are single with kids by different fathers. Their mam was prob 16 when they were born and had a clatter of kids. No one in their family prob even got a leaving cert. They don't know any other life.

Being a WAG is uncomparable. Read the article where the reporter went out to a club full of them. THIS TYPE OF LIFESTYLE SHOULD NOT BE PROMOTED AS SOMETHING TO ASPIRE TOO. That is my point.

Oh and the other top career for the WAG wannabes surveyed was pole dancer.

colly10

o1s1n wrote: »

You're seriously equating doctors getting paid a lot of money for having in depth life saving knowledge to people who get paid obscene amounts for having the ability to kick a piece of leather about?

There are a few reasons why I would believe footballers are worth the money they're paid -

- It is played by far more people in the world than any other sport. Your average nobody of a footballer starts playing at 8 (although will play amongst themselves from earlier) and trains around 4 hours a week and then plays a match every weekend. Despite doing this from such a young age right into their adult life they are still nowhere near good enough to turn pro, professionals have so much more ability than these guys despite the time they put in. So many play the sport but so few ever become good enough, so they really are unbelievably talented, more is going on tactically than your average person spots on tv

- Top sportsmen are paid massive money in alot of sports. As far as I know if the Pacquaio v Mayweather fight ever went ahead they would make 40m each for it

- Football is a business, if a player cost 25m and he wasn't worth that much money to a club then the club wouldn't buy him as it doesn't make business sense to do so. So if a player is actually worth 25m to a club it makes sense that he gets paid an obscene amount of money because his talent makes him worth an awful lot of money

Boston

You seem to like judging people and making assumptions. I was born and raised in inner city Dublin and I know exactly the mindset of these girls, it's no different to that of wags. This 26 year old, has she ever worked a day in her life? Why do the kids have no cloths when other parents on social welfare are able to?

Tut tut tu wag wag wag, goes the finger.

o1s1n

colly10 wrote: »

There are a few reasons why I would believe footballers are worth the money they're paid -

- It is played by far more people in the world than any other sport. Your average nobody of a footballer starts playing at 8 (although will play amongst themselves from earlier) and trains around 4 hours a week and then plays a match every weekend. Despite doing this from such a young age right into their adult life they are still nowhere near good enough to turn pro, professionals have so much more ability than these guys despite the time they put in. So many play the sport but so few ever become good enough, so they really are unbelievably talented, more is going on tactically than your average person spots on tv

- Top sportsmen are paid massive money in alot of sports. As far as I know if the Pacquaio v Mayweather fight ever went ahead they would make 40m each for it

- Football is a business, if a player cost 25m and he wasn't worth that much money to a club then the club wouldn't buy him as it doesn't make business sense to do so. So if a player is actually worth 25m to a club it makes sense that he gets paid an obscene amount of money because his talent makes him worth an awful lot of money

I never said they weren't worth money to someone.

What I said was it's pretty ridiculous to compare the salery of a doctor to the salery of a footballer.

A doctor's occupation make a real difference in the world. Without them we would be fairly screwed.

Footballers...eh... sell jerseys and generate gossip for OK Magazine?

Giselle

Lil Kitten wrote: »

What is the point in these WAGs? Surely they do more harm than good to footballers careers, why the attraction? And why the obsession with them in celebrity magazines? What do they even do? (apart from bleach their hair, wear fake tan and short skirts!)

Do any women here really admire and aspire to be WAGs? What do our male posters think of it all?

The attraction is easy money with no effort.

Basically they look good and have sex for money. If that was a job, what would it be called?

Exactly.

As long as there are sexual incontinents with more money than brains and pretty 17 year olds with no ambition or self-worth its never going to end.

krudler

Silverfish wrote: »

I thought colleen whatsherface and the rooney lad were together way before he became famous.



Yeah, so I think she's not a great example. She seems to be with him cos she liked him, not for his money.

Oh I know they were together long before he was famous, but what I meant was that she's got herself a career and celebrity fame purely because of who her husband is, end of story, there are thousands of women who are footballers wives who you've never heard of, because they either have their own careers, are content to be a housewife like millions of other women, or arent bothered about shoving their own face into the limelight at every turn like Coleen. Its the fame by association thing that annoys me

krudler

Lil Kitten wrote: »

Coleen has a LOT of business savvy with brains to burn apparently (11 GCSEs), and she never used sex in her career. So she's a way better role model than these other "wags". She would have been succesful even without Wayne's career. She wouldn't be a young millionaire or celebrity though!!

But she was still happier to sell her wedding pics to OK magazine instead of working for a living like so many other successful women, its like the Jade argument of "oh she has business sense, she launched a perfume!" its not like she made the bloody stuff herself, a company just needed a celebrity endorsement name, bam, instant perfume line

dfx-

The thread sort of actually is about footballers...or the impression around footballers [OAP]these days[/OAP].

Footballers are rich, successful and after winning or scoring a winner feel on top of the world or very popular to be around/'socially of a high value'.

Of course it'll attract people...why wouldn't it?

chocgirl

Lil Kitten wrote: »

Coleen has a LOT of business savvy with brains to burn apparently (11 GCSEs), and she never used sex in her career. So she's a way better role model than these other "wags". She would have been succesful even without Wayne's career. She wouldn't be a young millionaire or celebrity though!!

Hands up I haven't read most of this thread but I'm really hoping this is tongue in cheek. 11 GCSEs could be compared to a standard junior cert here. I don't know if she got any further than that but it's nothing to be writing home about.

I'd question the role model tag as well, she took Wayne back after cheating and I seriously doubt she would have been that successful without him or successful at all.

I don't really understand the big interest in the WAGS. As I see it, which is admittedly just what is portrayed in the media, the majority of them seem to be rich housewives. Nothing wrong with that but I don't see the fascination.

Maybe this is an unfair judgement (I know it's a sweeping generalisation) but I think the next generation of girls (currently 19 and younger) seem to be much more vapid than my generation. I teach grinds and I'm a member of several university societies with a lot of first and second year members, and I hear a lot of talk of marrying someone rich and wanting to own dozens of Jimmy Choos and other things that would have marked you down as a moron when I was that age. My friends talk about making their own money, attending diploma courses at night, being able to eventually buy a little one bed flat somewhere. My friends' little sisters talk about marrying someone rich and being able to spend the day shopping. They seem to be much more obsessed with designer stuff and expensive gadgets and projecting the 'right' image than my friends were. Perhaps my friends were just the sensible group, and perhaps their sisters and the girls I teach aren't and it's nothing to do with age, but I'm pretty sure there's some truth in it.

chocgirl

chocgirl wrote: »

Hands up I haven't read most of this thread but I'm really hoping this is tongue in cheek. 11 GCSEs could be compared to a standard junior cert here. I don't know if she got any further than that but it's nothing to be writing home about.

GCSE's are a good bit more difficult than the JC. Somewhere between the Junior Cert and the Leaving Cert, according to the people who moved to my school in the north from the Republic. It's really the grades that count though, not the fact she sat them. If she had 11 A*'s, I'd be impressed. 11 C's is nothing special at all. I don't really lump Colleen in with other WAGs, as she knew Wayne before he was famous, so I wouldn't call her a golddigger.

Giselle

[quote=[Deleted User];64458375]Maybe this is an unfair judgement (I know it's a sweeping generalisation) but I think the next generation of girls (currently 19 and younger) seem to be much more vapid than my generation. I teach grinds and I'm a member of several university societies with a lot of first and second year members, and I hear a lot of talk of marrying someone rich and wanting to own dozens of Jimmy Choos and other things that would have marked you down as a moron when I was that age. My friends talk about making their own money, attending diploma courses at night, being able to eventually buy a little one bed flat somewhere. My friends' little sisters talk about marrying someone rich and being able to spend the day shopping. They seem to be much more obsessed with designer stuff and expensive gadgets and projecting the 'right' image than my friends were. Perhaps my friends were just the sensible group, and perhaps their sisters and the girls I teach aren't and it's nothing to do with age, but I'm pretty sure there's some truth in it.[/QUOTE]


Its probably because the boom years were their formative ones. They came into their teens with the expectation of similarly wealthy lifestyles to those in the reality tv shows and gossip magazines they consumed.

After all, they've been indoctrinated by shows like Sex and The City and by the likes of Closer magazine and the media fixation with the lifestyles of wags that the path to true happiness is in a closet full of shoes.

Perhaps the girls coming up during the recession years will help make up for it with their more grounded priorities and better grip on the harsher realities of life. I actually think in many ways that people are becoming nicer through shared difficulty.

I'd pretty much agree with your observations btw.

Catari Jaguar

[quote=[Deleted User];64458432]GCSE's are a good bit more difficult than the JC. Somewhere between the Junior Cert and the Leaving Cert, according to the people who moved to my school in the north from the Republic. It's really the grades that count though, not the fact she sat them. If she had 11 A*'s, I'd be impressed. 11 C's is nothing special at all. I don't really lump Colleen in with other WAGs, as she knew Wayne before he was famous, so I wouldn't call her a golddigger.[/QUOTE]

She did a ton of them though, and got one A* anyways in performing arts, dunno about the rest. Articles say she was really studious and was the Deputy Head Girl. She started A levels. She dropped out though because Wayne was starting to become sucessful and she was spending too much time supporting him :rolleyes:

chocgirl

[quote=[Deleted User];64458432]GCSE's are a good bit more difficult than the JC. Somewhere between the Junior Cert and the Leaving Cert, according to the people who moved to my school in the north from the Republic. It's really the grades that count though, not the fact she sat them. If she had 11 A*'s, I'd be impressed. 11 C's is nothing special at all. I don't really lump Colleen in with other WAGs, as she knew Wayne before he was famous, so I wouldn't call her a golddigger.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I know GCSEs are considered more difficult than Junior Cert, sorry I probably didn't make my point very clear. It was more the fact that GSCEs are only the minimum compulsory second level education in the UK like the Junior Cert here. She obviously had no college or Uni aspirations, not that thats necessarily a bad thing but I think saying she had brains to burn is a step too far, especially since a lot of young girls seem to see her as a role model.

Dudess

I think there's too much speaking for other women here - if some women want to be vacuous, vapid gold-diggers, let them instead of worrying about how it affects the sisterhood? It's nothing new. As for the "role model" concern, not all girls are so impressionable.

Gloomtastic!

Haven't read the whole thread so this may have been asked before....

I wonder what the percentage is of boys wanting to be footballers when they grow up? Surely there's a link between the two.

I've been to bars and clubs in the uk where footballers hang out. Flies around sh1t comes to mind. It seems to be a way of life for some girls.

Herbal Deity

Dudess wrote: »

I think there's too much speaking for other women here - if some women want to be vacuous, vapid gold-diggers, let them instead of worrying about how it affects the sisterhood? It's nothing new. As for the "role model" concern, not all girls are so impressionable.

Exactly!

I get the impression on here sometimes that some people on here have an idealistic vision of 100% of women being very independent, intelligent, educated and with high aspirations.

shellyboo wrote: »

1in 5 girls now want to be WAGs when they grow up. Do you not see how much of a backwards step that is? Little girls who can now do *anything in the world* that they want would like to be... married to a rich footballer. As a career. It's worrying to say the least, and the people involved have a lot to answer for in courting publicity the way they do.

1 in 5? Just 20%, and it's worrying to you?

I would wager that at least 20%, of guys aspire to be nothing more than a pro footballer when they grow up. The vast, vast majority fail at this. Many of them drop out of school (the article in the IT the other week said ~14% of guys do, afaik) and probably end up working unfulfilling menial jobs or living on welfare for the rest of their lives.

Does this worry me? Not really. Sure, there's a high correlation with working class areas, but that's always been a big problem, and it's not gender specific.

Vapid idiots of both genders will always exist. A world devoid of them is more or less unachievable. As far as I'm concerned, if above 50% of people are smart and ambitious, we're doing pretty well as a society.

So I would view 20% of girls aspiring to be WAGs not to be worrying, but rather that only 20% of girls are vacuous enough to have zero aspirations beyond becoming a WAG.