Factory rifles @ 1000 yards?

fish slapped

Is there anyone using factory rifles in .308 @ the 1k mark? I'm talking CZ 550 varmint, Ruger mk11 VT, sako varmint, rem. vls, ect....

if what kind of results are you getting??

rowa

fish slapped wrote: »

Is there anyone using factory rifles in .308 @ the 1k mark? I'm talking CZ 550 varmint, Ruger mk11 VT, sako varmint, rem. vls, ect....

if what kind of results are you getting??

don't forget the savage ftr , supposed to be very good .

It wasn't me!

fish slapped wrote: »

Is there anyone using factory rifles in .308 @ the 1k mark? I'm talking CZ 550 varmint, Ruger mk11 VT, sako varmint, rem. vls, ect....

if what kind of results are you getting??

Do you mean factory rifles intended to include stuff like the Savage F/TR and Palma models or are you more thinking heavy-barrelled hunting rifles like those you've listed? Can't think of any of those with a barrel longer than 26". You wouldn't keep a .308 supersonic to a thousand yards with a barrel like that I shouldn't think. Barrel's what would hold you back. There are some stupidly accurate rifles included in your list there. Pondering a .308 TR and F/TR build myself, and the heart of it will end up being a Barnard action, with probably a 30" medium palma taper barrel from Shilen or Tru-Flite. 30" would be fairly standard for 1000 yards with a .308.

rowa

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Do you mean factory rifles intended to include stuff like the Savage F/TR and Palma models or are you more thinking heavy-barrelled hunting rifles like those you've listed? Can't think of any of those with a barrel longer than 26". You wouldn't keep a .308 supersonic to a thousand yards with a barrel like that I shouldn't think. Barrel's what would hold you back. There are some stupidly accurate rifles included in your list there. Pondering a .308 TR and F/TR build myself, and the heart of it will end up being a Barnard action, with probably a 30" medium palma taper barrel from Shilen or Tru-Flite. 30" would be fairly standard for 1000 yards with a .308.

what bullet is used in palma ? is it the 155 grain or 175 ?

It wasn't me!

rowa wrote: »

what bullet is used in palma ? is it the 155 grain or 175 ?

In the US, they use anything for domestic competitions, but internationally, the rules specify under 156gr. So 155s and that new Berger 155.5 are standard fare. The new berger actually seems brilliant from reports.

OldEyes

fish slapped wrote: »

Is there anyone using factory rifles in .308 @ the 1k mark?

The short answer is yes.

what kind of results are you getting??

What kind of results are you looking for? Thats the first question you need to ask yourself.

If you're looking for F-Class accuracy, i.e. half minute or less at 1k, in an out of the box .308 that you intend to do no custom work on then the answer is simple, buy a Savage F-TR.

They are the only "factory" rifle which are designed to do what a hand built custom rifle will do at factory prices. You are still not "guaranteed" to get a tack driver but your chances are hugely improved.

If you don't require sub minute or even sub two minute accuracy at 1k, then you could go with a Remmy vls or other "varmint" or "tactical" style rifle. You could be very lucky and get a tack driver in one of these but your chances just went way down. One of the biggest drawbacks with one of these rifles is the quality of the stock. Inadequate or no support or bedding is unfortunately the order of the day.

The Savage on the other hand comes with a full length aluminum bedding block which gives great support to the action and barrel.

Keeping a .308 round, say a 155 sierra, supersonic at 1k is all about muzzle velocity. A 26" barrel like the kind found on the Remmy vls can produce the necessary MV, say above 2900fps, but you will be pushing it hard to get it there.

A 30" barrel, like on the Savage, will produce greater MV for the same investment in powder because it allows almost all of the powder to burn off before the bullet leaves the barrel causing less wastage than you get with a 26" barrel.

There is also a huge difference between getting a .308 bullet to 1k and getting it there accurately. You do not want to be pushing the rifle to its absolute limit just to get the bullet over the line because 99 times out of 100 the rifles "sweet spot" for accuracy will have been reached long before its speed limit.

So, ask yourself what you want the rifle to do. If it's high end accuracy your after the worst thing you could do is pick a rifle based on its "cool" factor because you will only end up kicking yourself in the ass after said ass has been handed to you by the guy lying next to you with the Savage F-TR.

And no, I don't nor have I ever owned a Savage F-TR, but I do have first hand experience of what those rifles can do with the right men behind them.

shanmoll308

Pondering a .308 TR and F/TR build myself, and the heart of it will end up being a Barnard action, with probably a 30" medium palma taper barrel from Shilen or Tru-Flite. 30" would be fairly standard for 1000 yards with a .308.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you should contact Fox Firearms in the UK then bud as he put together my friends Barnard action and 30" Tru-Flight barrel in record time as i think he is the agent for them..

Shanmoll308.

shanmoll308

+1 one the Savage Fish. and i do own one and in MHO no other unmodified factory out of the box rifles come near them for 1k shooting.

Shanmoll308.

It wasn't me!

shanmoll308 wrote: »

Maybe you should contact Fox Firearms in the UK then bud as he put together my friends Barnard action and 30" Tru-Flight barrel in record time as i think he is the agent for them..

Shanmoll308.

Cheers for the information, will keep that in mind. I'll have to find the best deal too, and it'll be a while before I can even think about commissioning the project. Was looking at having a fairly recognised TR builder take care of it, since it'll be primarily a TR rifle. Add a bipod, scope it and a rear bag and it'll make a tidy F/TR rifle too though.

fish slapped

Thanks for all the info lads, I was thinking of the CZ 550 varmint with the Kevlar stock which comes with an aluminium bedding block. it would be used occasionally for 1k but more often 300-600 meters and the odd deer.

Or the ruger mk11 VT but the laminate stock would need bedding.

I was thinking of getting some crown work and trigger work ect. done on either rifle in time.

Link:
http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-550-varmint/

fish slapped

so am I asking to much for moa accuracy @ 1k from a gun like this.

what price is the ftr running at??

The CZ is in around €1200 and the ruger can be gotten for €900.

Which given my needs would be the best choice?

thanks FS

clivej

FS if your going the CZ routefor target shooting then this is the gun to be looking at.

With an effective range of 800 yards, the CZ 750 Sniper is ideal for use by the elite military and law enforcement snipers it was designed for. The synthetic thumbhole sniper style stock is adjustable for comb height as well as length of pull.

But having said that the Savage FT/R is the one to go for.

It wasn't me!

fish slapped wrote: »

so am I asking to much for moa accuracy @ 1k from a gun like this.

what price is the ftr running at??

The CZ is in around €1200 and the ruger can be gotten for €900.

Which given my needs would be the best choice?

thanks FS

To be honest, yeah, I think on a consistent basis, you're not going to get MOA capability out of a gun like that at a thousand yards, or anything like it most of the time. If ringing steels were your game, you could probably do that reasonably reliably, but as a paper-puncher, it wouldn't do the job.

The F/TR is running at about €1600 I think, not certain, would be worth calling a few Savage dealers and getting quotes on it. For the few quid over and above the CZ, it'd be more than worth it.

Cass

This entire set cost me around €3200.






Savage F/TR Model 12 in .308
Nightforce 8-32x56 BR
Nightforce 30mm rings
20 MOA Warne picatinny rail
Sinclair bipod.

You probably won't get as good a rifle for the money.

fish slapped

ezridax wrote: »

This entire set cost me around €3200.






Savage F/TR Model 12 in .308
Nightforce 8-32x56 BR
Nightforce 30mm rings
20 MOA Warne picatinny rail
Sinclair bipod.

You probably won't get as good a rifle for the money.

well all I can say is:

Cass

Everything in my set up is factory standard. Nothing modified or tweaked or tuned. Another lad i shoot with has the same rifle dropped into a custom stock (a road i will be going down myself shortly) but the action, trigger and barrel are all standard. My point is the gun is plenty capable of accurately and consistantly hitting out from 600 - 1,000.

I honestly cannot think of another rifle with similar abilities for the same price tag.

I know that Sean Harding in Stakelums in Thurles has a new one on his shelf. Ring him if interested. 0504 21900.

shanmoll308

Hey Fish
If I do my part and in good conditions I have shot 3"-3.5" 5 shot groups @ 800 yards with this Rifle..:eek: Iv been shooting rifles for some time now and have never seen such accuracy . So the Savage F/TR rifle shot off a bi-pod is capable of half MOA accuracy out to 1000 yards.

sharky0922

nobody mentioned Sako TRG yet, whats the story with this rifle?
i thought is one of the best factory rifles..

Cass

shanmoll308 wrote: »

Hey Fish
If I do my part and in good conditions I have shot 3"-3.5" 5 shot groups @ 800 yards with this Rifle..:eek: Iv been shooting rifles for some time now and have never seen such accuracy . So the Savage F/TR rifle shot off a bi-pod is capable of half MOA accuracy out to 1000 yards.

Listen to this man, i've shot with him and he knows his stuff.

sharky0922 wrote:

nobody mentioned Sako TRG yet, whats the story with this rifle

You are dead right sharky, but i thought the OP was looking at reasonable priced rifles. The Sako TRG22 in phosphate green comes in at around the €3500 mark without any scope, rings, rail, etc. A first class rifle but kind of pricy.

shanmoll308

Your right. A friend of mine shoots beside me @800 yards with his TRG and I have to say it would be my second choice for long range work. Very very accurate rifle but just like another fine rifle the Tikka T3 it only has a 26" barrel, which is fine for 800 yards:), marginal at 900 yards:( and it would struggle to keep up at 1000 yards:mad:.

Shanmoll308

fish slapped

OK, oil boiler just went bang and she says she NEEDS a new dish washer:mad: so heres the choice
A ruger vt mk11 in .308 with a Leupold mk111lr on top

OR

savage ftr with a hawke side winder on top

both coming in around the same money

SD308

Get the Savage, you won't regret it. You then have up to 3 months while you wait for the license to be processed to research, save for and locate the cheapest dealer for the best scope you can afford. Have a look at the new Sightron 10-50x60, you should be able to get it in the States for around $900 and it's getting great reviews.

Stephen.

Cass

SD308 wrote: »

Get the Savage, you won't regret it.

Stephen.

+1 on that. For value for money and out of the box accuracy and consistancy you will not get better. One thing though, no matter which scope you go for a 20 MOA rail is a must. You may get up to 600 with the scope alone but anything after this you will need a 20 moa rail or get handy with mil-dot/holdover.:D

It wasn't me!

Definitely take the Savage. You can always pick up a bargain on a scope later, but the Savage is going to have the potential to shoot to begin with. The Ruger will be a good gun, but it just won't even be in the same league as the Savage at short range, let alone further out.