When does DTT go live?

glineli

Hi

I am just wondering when do the tests transmissions end and we are live with DTT? Do we have to wait for saorview or some other 3rd party?

thanks

mrdtv2010

ginoglineli wrote: »

Hi

I am just wondering when do the tests transmissions end and we are live with DTT? Do we have to wait for saorview or some other 3rd party?

thanks

A properly posed question, you could ask Cathal Goan over at RTE.

More seriously the following questions have to be answered:

a) Does Ireland need an IMF bailout just like the impending one for Greece?

b) What's the business model?

c) Who is prepared to invest?

d) What is the market size?

e) What is the IRR for an investor?

f) What are the competitive dynamics vs cable, Sky, Freesat and analogue/DTT overspill from N Ireland and Wales?

g) Can RTE afford a PSB-only mux if commercial DTT fails?

h) Which standard should we use: MPEG2, MPEG4 T1, MPEG4 T2?

i) How many years more will people decide to stall on decision making?

The Cush

ginoglineli wrote: »

Hi

I am just wondering when do the tests transmissions end and we are live with DTT? Do we have to wait for saorview or some other 3rd party?

thanks

To simply answer your question, this from RTÉNL

There is no definitive launch date for a DTT service in Ireland as yet. This is a matter for RTÉ (www.rte.ie) and the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland (www.bci.ie) to determine.

...

DTT is not available at the moment and the actual launch date or dates is a matter for RTÉ, in respect of the public service multiplex, and the BCI, in respect of the three commercial multiplexes.

slegs

The latest rumor is that Onevision Pay DTT is looking unlikely...negotiations on verge of collapse

STB

Same ridiculous questions and statements from the same posters on here.

Make me wonder about their profile name given that they still dont fully understand what DSO and ASO are.

10000maniacs

STB wrote: »

Same ridiculous questions and statements from the same posters on here.

Make me wonder about their profile name given that they still dont fully understand what DSO and ASO are.

The fact that there is a set Analogue switch off date does not necessarily mean that RTE can afford to go digital. To be fair I think mrdtv2010's post is far from ambiguous.

The Cush

10000maniacs wrote: »

The fact that there is a set Analogue switch off date does not necessarily mean that RTE can afford to go digital. To be fair I think mrdtv2010's post is far from ambiguous.

RTÉ has gone digital - since Aug 2008 (albeit pre-launch engineering tests) - they are now in a costly "dual-illumination" period (analogue & digital) until ASO, covering probably 80% of the population. Since Woodcock Hill and Mullaghanish DTT launched in Mar 09 I have rarely switched back to analogue.

If RTÉ had a choice they would probably switch off the analogue transmissions as soon as possible and save some cash (electricity costs, analogue equipment maintenance and repair).

The standards are fixed, dtt can rollout with or without a pay service, ASO is going to happen.

The regular Ireland, IMF, bailout, Greece, Iceland, DVB-T2 rant is coming from someone who appears to live outside the country, London I believe, in both this forum and over in the Digitalspy forum.

10000maniacs

The Cush wrote: »

RTÉ has gone digital - since Aug 2008 (albeit pre-launch engineering tests)].

They have not gone digital on DTT mate. Anybody can output a few tests. Not great to the general public without STBs. The lucky few with MPEG4 kitted televisions won't pay the bills.
RTE have not launched a digital package on DTT yet, nor can they afford to on their own.

channelsurfer2

I wonder if what slegs says about OneVision talks collapsing does happen will they go to easy tv ala RTE and then will we actually get bbc fta? methinks Ryan has made a right cockup announcing bbc fta then going back on it. One Vision must have said f**k this for a racket were out of here asap....

reboot

mrdtv2010 wrote: »

A properly posed question, you could ask Cathal Goan over at RTE.

More seriously the following questions have to be answered:

a) Does Ireland need an IMF bailout just like the impending one for Greece?

b) What's the business model?

c) Who is prepared to invest?

d) What is the market size?

e) What is the IRR for an investor?

f) What are the competitive dynamics vs cable, Sky, Freesat and analogue/DTT overspill from N Ireland and Wales?

g) Can RTE afford a PSB-only mux if commercial DTT fails?

h) Which standard should we use: MPEG2, MPEG4 T1, MPEG4 T2?

i) How many years more will people decide to stall on decision making?

Not wishing to offend anyone,but what is the point in RTE? Sorry.

STB

reboot wrote: »

Not wishing to offend anyone,but what is the point in RTE? Sorry.

Dont believe everything you read especially from people who dont even reside in the state.

mrdtv2010

STB wrote: »

Dont believe everything you read especially from people who dont even reside in the state.

Or indeed anybody who does reside in the state...

STB

Touché

Seriously though how is RTE looking on your DVBT2 Humax Box ?

You probably cant answer that as it doesnt get as far as London.

Second question how do the British MPEG2 Digital stations look on it. Any better ?

More Music

reboot wrote: »

Not wishing to offend anyone,but what is the point in RTE? Sorry.

Here you go.

http://www.rte.ie/about/

Mike 1972

TBH the protracted "testing" status for DTT is a bit ludicrous. How much testing does the damn thing need for crysakes ? We know it works doesnt it !!!!

At they very least they should publish a final spec and introduce an labelling scheme so that those buying equipment dont need to spend days/weeks online researching MPEG4/MHEG5 compatability issues.

Is there even a DVD recorder on the Irish market with an MPEG4 tuner for example ?

RTÉ is a Public Service Broadcaster, a non-profit making organisation owned by the Irish people. RTÉ is Ireland's cross-media leader, providing comprehensive and cost-effective free-to-air television, radio and online services, which are of the highest quality and are impartial

And to think there are people who reckon RTE are weak when it comes to comedy..............

The Cush

Mike 1972 wrote: »

At they very least they should publish a final spec and introduce an labelling scheme so that those buying equipment dont need to spend days/weeks online researching MPEG4/MHEG5 compatability issues.

Is there even a DVD recorder on the Irish market with an MPEG4 tuner for example ?

Final spec published Dec 2008 and Saorview compatibility testing announced this Jan. A list of compatible receivers will appear on the RTÉNL website when they pass testing. Don't know of any MPEG-4 recorders on the Irish market

“Approved Digital Terrestrial Television (DTT) Receivers

RTÉ has appointed Teracom AB to conduct receiver compliance testing for Irish free-to-air (FTA) DTT receivers. Those receivers which pass the tests thereby meeting the Irish DTT specification will be eligible to be licensed to use RTÉ’s “Saorview” logo, which will confirm to consumers that the receiver is Irish FTA DTT compliant. RTÉNL will publish a full list of compliant DTT receivers on its web site.

Manufacturers/distributors wishing to use the Saorview logo should contact Teracom (irdtest@teracom.se) to arrange testing. When a receiver passes the tests, it will then be eligible to be licensed by RTÉ to carry the Saorview logo.”

http://www.rtenl.ie/dtt.htm

STB

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Is there even a DVD recorder on the Irish market with an MPEG4 tuner for example ?

I have posted a list of a few in the past. Phillips and Toshiba and JVC have a range. They are expensive. Bundling DVD Recorders with DVB-T tuners is becoming a thing of the and has been bypassed by their bundling with HDDs rather than DVD recorders.

Again none of this is RTEs fault. It is the retailers fault, who short of having a gun put to their head, would rather stock cheap obsolete rubbish freely available from UK warehouses and still grossly overcharge for it (in some cases that overcharging could easily pay for the MPEG4 equivalent).

And this spec published back in 2008 was brought to the retailers attention and their organisation CEDA back then, but here we are in 2010.....

Willby

STB wrote: »

I have posted a list of a few in the past. Phillips and Toshiba and JVC have a range. They are expensive. Bundling DVD Recorders with DVB-T tuners is becoming a thing of the and has been bypassed by their bundling with HDDs rather than DVD recorders.

Again none of this is RTEs fault. It is the retailers fault, who short of having a gun put to their head, would rather stock cheap obsolete rubbish freely available from UK warehouses and still grossly overcharge for it (in some cases that overcharging could easily pay for the MPEG4 equivalent).

And this spec published back in 2008 was brought to the retailers attention and their organisation CEDA back then, but here we are in 2010.....

Well put STB. Also agree with you that DTT will happen in Ireland. Aso by 2012 has been set by EU. It is not happening in NI til 2012 and for political reasons as well as commercial will not happen in the republic till the same time.

Biffo The Bare

STB wrote: »

I have posted a list of a few in the past. Phillips and Toshiba and JVC have a range. They are expensive. Bundling DVD Recorders with DVB-T tuners is becoming a thing of the and has been bypassed by their bundling with HDDs rather than DVD recorders.

Again none of this is RTEs fault. It is the retailers fault, who short of having a gun put to their head, would rather stock cheap obsolete rubbish freely available from UK warehouses and still grossly overcharge for it (in some cases that overcharging could easily pay for the MPEG4 equivalent).

And this spec published back in 2008 was brought to the retailers attention and their organisation CEDA back then, but here we are in 2010.....

I don't think any Chinese DVD recorder manufacturers will be going out of their way to accomodate Irish DTT needs where they might have done so for the UK market. The population in the UK is 15 times greater, so the business model for them is 15 times more viable.

Peddyr

ginoglineli wrote: »

Hi

I am just wondering when do the tests transmissions end and we are live with DTT? Do we have to wait for saorview or some other 3rd party?

thanks

How long is a piece of string...? That should answer your question

mrdtv2010

Peddyr wrote: »

How long is a piece of string...? That should answer your question

Peddyr:

I see you are in a very interesting location. Do you get Divis DTT, MyP DTT, Llanddona DTT and Winter Hill DTT as well as Irish DTT? You should be able to get Winter Hill HD as well..

STB

Biffo The Bare wrote: »

I don't think any Chinese DVD recorder manufacturers will be going out of their way to accomodate Irish DTT needs where they might have done so for the UK market. The population in the UK is 15 times greater, so the business model for them is 15 times more viable.

But they will and have done for the rest of Europe so there is no worries there (the majority of this technology comes out of Korea these days by the way). One country as an example France - larger if not equivelant population. Oh and the technology they have adopted is MPEG4. The majority of the EU same technology! Retailers need to get with the programme and get off their lazy asses and stock suitable products ie NOT MPEG2.

sesswhat

STB wrote: »

But they will and have done for the rest of Europe so there is no worries there (the majority of this technology comes out of Korea these days by the way). One country as an example France - larger if not equivelant population. Oh and the technology they have adopted is MPEG4. The majority of the EU same technology! Retailers need to get with the programme and get off their lazy asses and stock suitable products ie NOT MPEG2.

Which products, designed for which country, would be closest to qualifying for a SAORVIEW sticker?

STB

sesswhat wrote: »

Which products, designed for which country, would be closest to qualifying for a SAORVIEW sticker?

Specifically the nearest with both MHEG5 AND MPEG4 is New Zealand. But if you dont need to see MHEG5 flashy text with adverts then any country in Europe that has adopted MPEG4 will have similar suitable products. Sweden/Estonia/France(TNT HD) for example. MPEg4 processors on Dvb-t platform are used in the majority of countries in the EU.

Then you have countries were you could have a mix of technology that is easily adapted to Ireland such as some products from the UK (EG Freesat Combo Tvs LG & Sony - MHEG5 middleware and Mpeg4 processors on DVB-T).

I have used a HD Combo box or two for the last two years to view a combination of DTT and Free Satellite (including HD stations) in one channel list. Those boxes can be got now for €150. See the stickies above.

Peddyr

mrdtv2010 wrote: »

Peddyr:

I see you are in a very interesting location. Do you get Divis DTT, MyP DTT, Llanddona DTT and Winter Hill DTT as well as Irish DTT? You should be able to get Winter Hill HD as well..

mrdtv2010,

The village of Cregneash high up on the south-west tip of Mann lies in a bit of dip shielded to the north & east. This leaves the south & west open to Kippure, Three Rock & Divis TXs, all of which make a fairly healthy trip to this location due to it´s elevation of approx 400 feet above sea level. If you head up the road 100 yards the following TXs are also available - Caldbeck, Winter Hill & Llanddona as well as the local relay at Port St Mary. This would however, be a bit of a nightmare in that location as there would be clashes of frequencies i.e. Winter Hill T2 HD mux on 54 would interfere with Three Rock.

I´m happy being in the dip and to receive DTT from ROI & NI.

mrdtv2010

Peddyr wrote: »

mrdtv2010,

The village of Cregneash high up on the south-west tip of Mann lies in a bit of dip shielded to the north & east. This leaves the south & west open to Kippure, Three Rock & Divis TXs, all of which make a fairly healthy trip to this location due to it´s elevation of approx 400 feet above sea level. If you head up the road 100 yards the following TXs are also available - Caldbeck, Winter Hill & Llanddona as well as the local relay at Port St Mary. This would however, be a bit of a nightmare in that location as there would be clashes of frequencies i.e. Winter Hill T2 HD mux on 54 would interfere with Three Rock.

I´m happy being in the dip and to receive DTT from ROI & NI.

Yes, I can imagine RF congestion is a bit of a nightmare on the Isle of Man. Caldbeck COM muxes clash with the current Divis PSB muxes. It has been demonstrated in NW Wales that you can get Three Rock and Llanddona (pre-DSO frequencies which were cochannel) because they were separated by over 90 degrees and had different signal strengths and C/N decode ratios. It would be interesting to see the interaction between Winter Hill T2 HD operating at 100kW and now being received all the way along the N Wales coast and in South Down. I imagine most people on Mann use off-island DTT to get the full six mux Freeview service as Douglas Group is Freeview-lite?

sesswhat

STB wrote: »

Specifically the nearest with both MHEG5 AND MPEG4 is New Zealand. But if you dont need to see MHEG5 flashy text with adverts then any country in Europe that has adopted MPEG4 will have similar suitable products. Sweden/Estonia/France(TNT HD) for example. MPEg4 processors on Dvb-t platform are used in the majority of countries in the EU.

Then you have countries were you could have a mix of technology that is easily adapted to Ireland such as some products from the UK (EG Freesat Combo Tvs LG & Sony - MHEG5 middleware and Mpeg4 processors on DVB-T).

I have used a HD Combo box or two for the last two years to view a combination of DTT and Free Satellite (including HD stations) in one channel list. Those boxes can be got now for €150. See the stickies above.

The reason I'm asking is just to speculate on where any potential approved Saorview receivers might come from, and how much they might cost.

It seems to me that the equipment put up for approval could be:

1. Developed/adapted specifically for the Irish market.

Were the New Zealand Freeview|HD approved STBs developed (or adapted) specifically for the NZ market? This is of the same scale as the Irish market so you might expect similar prices.

The prices of approved receivers seem to start at around €110 and go up to well over €200. Meanwhile the PVRs start at around €330. (I'm not sure how much 'rip-off' factor is built in to NZ prices but I'm sure we can more than match it.)

The non-MHEG5 boxes, as available in Europe, cannot be approved unless they are adapted by the manufacturers for the Irish market. Would this add much to the cost? Would it leave something like this €60 Sigmatek at €80 - €100? Will many manufacturers consider it worthwhile to do so?

Any TNT HD IDTVs having problems with MHEG5 when used here should only need minor modifications for approval.

2. Already developed for a market with the same specs and submitted for approval here, perhaps with minor modifications. Basically New Zealand boxes (at similar prices?).

3. Already developed for a market with different specs, but still compatible with Irish specs, again with maybe some modifications.

The UK Freesat/Freeview idTVs which work here more by accident than design, would fall into this category.

The Sagem Picnic box was cheap because they just offloaded it as a Freeview SD box. I'm sure Sagem could technically run off something similar for the Irish market but they would probably be charging a good bit more than €25.

The new UK Freeview HD spec STBs use more expensive technology for now but, if submitted, could start at around around €150. You could probably add at least €200 for early PVR (with on-board hard drive) versions, leaving them around the same price as the NZ PVRs. (Before mrdtv reminds us, these would have the advantage of a handful of Freeview HD channels in spillover areas)

In two or three years the prices should be lower but at the moment I'm not sure where a cheap Saorview box is going to come from.

There will always be unapproved options available including combo boxes which will work fine. When (or if) the Saorview campaign gets under way though, the official Saorview equipment will have the biggest advertising push in the media and in the shops for the ordinary customer.

An approved combo box with full combined EPG and on-board PVR would be ideal for a lot of Irish customers, especially those used to the convenience of Sky+, but will it ever happen?

STB

The only modifications will be the addition of MHEG5 which is software.

You are gettting to wrapped up in the approval bit. Non approved products does not stop you buying them, knowing their limitations (ie non MHEG5). This has been the case in NZ as well specifically with their combo box of choice, the Hyundai 3100.

A lot of IDTVs only problem with approval will be the inclusion of MHEG5 in the country profile ie its already included but switched off by software settings when country is changed, an easy firmware fix.

As far as I know there are some well known manufacturers involved. Some of the products are already on the market that will probably get the SAORVIEW sticker and knowing the spec and what people have been reporting as working tells you the answer to that.

Sam Russell

The difference Soarview certification will give to the product is the availability of over-the-air software upgrades by RTENL. That is aprt from knowing the product is certified as compatible. Future changes to the spec can be made and automaticaly uploaded.

Many products, I suspect, will not bother with certification, particularly at the bottom of the market.

Peddyr

mrdtv2010 wrote: »

Yes, I can imagine RF congestion is a bit of a nightmare on the Isle of Man. Caldbeck COM muxes clash with the current Divis PSB muxes. It has been demonstrated in NW Wales that you can get Three Rock and Llanddona (pre-DSO frequencies which were cochannel) because they were separated by over 90 degrees and had different signal strengths and C/N decode ratios. It would be interesting to see the interaction between Winter Hill T2 HD operating at 100kW and now being received all the way along the N Wales coast and in South Down. I imagine most people on Mann use off-island DTT to get the full six mux Freeview service as Douglas Group is Freeview-lite?

Yes, if you want all six UK DTT muxes you have to source an off island signal. North & North-East can use Caldbeck. East & South-East (at least on highish ground) - Winter Hill. South - Winter Hill / Llanddona. South-west - 3Rock / Kippure / CC (analogue only as DTT is shielded to IOM), and Divis. West - Divis. ´Local´ relays are as you say - ´Freeview lite´

sesswhat

STB wrote: »

You are gettting to wrapped up in the approval bit. Non approved products does not stop you buying them, knowing their limitations (ie non MHEG5). This has been the case in NZ as well specifically with their combo box of choice, the Hyundai 3100.

A lot of IDTVs only problem with approval will be the inclusion of MHEG5 in the country profile ie its already included but switched off by software settings when country is changed, an easy firmware fix.

As far as I know there are some well known manufacturers involved. Some of the products are already on the market that will probably get the SAORVIEW sticker and knowing the spec and what people have been reporting as working tells you the answer to that.

I don't think I'm getting wrapped up in approval. I know it makes little difference to the likes of me or you or the other regulars on this forum. We will be actively looking for the alternatives, but a significant majority may be happy to just look for the Saorview logo, rather than go through what, for them, is a technical minefield.

Is the 'combo box of choice' in NZ also the box of choice overall for Freeview channels?

The makers of approved equipment will also be in a better position to push their products at everyone else. Otherwise what is the value of seeking approval at all.

mrdtv2010

Peddyr wrote: »

Yes, if you want all six UK DTT muxes you have to source an off island signal. North & North-East can use Caldbeck. East & South-East (at least on highish ground) - Winter Hill. South - Winter Hill / Llanddona. South-west - 3Rock / Kippure / CC (analogue only as DTT is shielded to IOM), and Divis. West - Divis. ´Local´ relays are as you say - ´Freeview lite´

That is very busy from an RF perspective. So in your location you won't get Freeview HD till 2012 whereas 100m up the road they could get it tomorrow. Caldbeck + Douglas Group get it by October this year IIRC. Also interesting that there is good Llanddona rather than Moel-y-Parc which is a superior mast.

Peddyr

mrdtv2010 wrote: »

That is very busy from an RF perspective. So in your location you won't get Freeview HD till 2012 whereas 100m up the road they could get it tomorrow. Caldbeck + Douglas Group get it by October this year IIRC. Also interesting that there is good Llanddona rather than Moel-y-Parc which is a superior mast.

Should be able to get Freeview HD in October this year from Port St Mary relay on Ch50 on the back of the aerial that´s pointing to Divis. I´m already getting Freeview lite from PSM. I´ll check again on whether or not the Welsh muxes are Llanddona or PYM, or indeed both.

Is there any way of telling which Tx is which from ROI? I get DTT on both CHs 54 & 61, which I thought were 3Rock and Kippure respectively?

mrdtv2010

Peddyr wrote: »

Should be able to get Freeview HD in October this year from Port St Mary relay on Ch50 on the back of the aerial that´s pointing to Divis. I´m already getting Freeview lite from PSM. I´ll check again on whether or not the Welsh muxes are Llanddona or PYM, or indeed both.

Is there any way of telling which Tx is which from ROI? I get DTT on both CHs 54 & 61, which I thought were 3Rock and Kippure respectively?

My, what channel choice you get: UK, IOM, Wales, ROI, and soon HD. Llanddona & MyP can be received in E Down, but MyP is better as that is a belter of a transmitter which reaches all the way into Granadaland and has caused tuning chaos there.

LLanddona:53, 57, 60, 43, 46, 50
MyP:42, 45, 49,51, 42, 48

If RTENL use transmitter groups ID in the SI as they do in the UK then you can work out the Group. Those two stations are supposed to be in an SFN but Ch 61 will have to be changed at the 800Mhz transition.

Peddyr

mrdtv2010 wrote: »

My, what channel choice you get: UK, IOM, Wales, ROI, and soon HD. Llanddona & MyP can be received in E Down, but MyP is better as that is a belter of a transmitter which reaches all the way into Granadaland and has caused tuning chaos there.

LLanddona:53, 57, 60, 43, 46, 50
MyP:42, 45, 49,51, 42, 48

If RTENL use transmitter groups ID in the SI as they do in the UK then you can work out the Group. Those two stations are supposed to be in an SFN but Ch 61 will have to be changed at the 800Mhz transition.

The beauty of being at the centre of these islands is that terrestrial TV & Radio broadcasts can readily be picked up fairly easily from neighbouring countries. However, the downside is that there is every likelihood of co-channel interference and massive tuning chaos - not so good!

I have a Humax HDCI 2000T which does both Mpegs 2 & 4. I was hoping that I´d future proofed myself for UK DTT HD only to be foiled by their switch to DVB-T2! Maybe better to go satellite / DTT HD combi box for UK / Irish DTT and forget forking out on a very expensive DVB-T2 box for 3 or 4 HD channels!

Where can I find the ID of ROI Txs on my ´Hummy´ or is this not possible? I´ve not found a way to do it yet myself... :0

mrdtv2010

Peddyr wrote: »

The beauty of being at the centre of these islands is that terrestrial TV & Radio broadcasts can readily be picked up fairly easily from neighbouring countries. However, the downside is that there is every likelihood of co-channel interference and massive tuning chaos - not so good!

I have a Humax HDCI 2000T which does both Mpegs 2 & 4. I was hoping that I´d future proofed myself for UK DTT HD only to be foiled by their switch to DVB-T2! Maybe better to go satellite / DTT HD combi box for UK / Irish DTT and forget forking out on a very expensive DVB-T2 box for 3 or 4 HD channels!

Where can I find the ID of ROI Txs on my ´Hummy´ or is this not possible? I´ve not found a way to do it yet myself... :0

Yes, I can imagine up near Snaefell would be the RF nightmare: Caldbeck, Cambret, Divis, Douglas, Winter Hill, MyP, Llanddona, Three Rock, Clermont Carn, Kippure. I think T2 will face in price quite rapidly ( I see my Fox T2 is now £159 on the web!) as there are so many LCDs and plasmas coming out with T2 this spring: the best might be the combined Freesat/Freeview HD Tvs which are coming out in April/May.


The Humax T2 receivers give station IDs but alas the T2 does not so you have to know the RF channels. The Sagem Picnic box gives station IDs if transmitted IIRC ( I would have to get it out of the loft, but as far as I am concerned this is now a museumpiece.)

STB

Peddyr wrote: »

Should be able to get Freeview HD in October this year from Port St Mary relay on Ch50 on the back of the aerial that´s pointing to Divis. I´m already getting Freeview lite from PSM. I´ll check again on whether or not the Welsh muxes are Llanddona or PYM, or indeed both.

Is there any way of telling which Tx is which from ROI? I get DTT on both CHs 54 & 61, which I thought were 3Rock and Kippure respectively?

54 is Three Rock, 61 is Kippure at the moment.

54 and 61 have been on the past from Three Rock. Same frequency allocations. 54 58 61 64.

Your Hummy will be fine for Irish DTT, Freview MPEG2 SD stations. It wont of course pick up the small handful of terrestrial HD stations from the UK. A combo box €150 would give you all same AND endless satellites (including the HD stations on Astra) and has PVR functionality.

Peddyr

STB wrote: »

54 is Three Rock, 61 is Kippure at the moment.

54 and 61 have been on the past from Three Rock. Same frequency allocations. 54 58 61 64.

Your Hummy will be fine for Irish DTT, Freview MPEG2 SD stations. It wont of course pick up the small handful of terrestrial HD stations from the UK. A combo box €150 would give you all same AND endless satellites (including the HD stations on Astra) and has PVR functionality.

Thanks STB. I´m getting both of them and surprisingly, 3Rock the strongest of the two at my location.

I´m beginning to think that an HD sat/dtt combo box would be the way to go as there are too many dtt muxes available here from so many coastal regions of ROI and the UK, resulting in a myriad of antennas and diplexers etc, for basically the same channels apart from regional BBC differences. The sat/dtt combo box would mean only one dtt antenna for ROI and a sat dish for uk fta and others...

mrdtv2010

I´m beginning to think that an HD sat/dtt combo box would be the way to go as there are too many dtt muxes available here from so many coastal regions of ROI and the UK, resulting in a myriad of antennas and diplexers etc, for basically the same channels apart from regional BBC differences. The sat/dtt combo box would mean only one dtt antenna for ROI and a sat dish for uk fta and others...


The true DXer would have a fixed system to maximise the choices (Divis/Three Rock/satellite) and a separate logperiodic eg the Vision 40 on a rotor with masthead (very low windloading) and feed the rotor system only via SCART or HDMI into the TV: there are quite a few DTT STBs that let you set up separate transmitter groups and store them in memory. This minimises the connnections and peripherals 'headcount').

Martin_F

Back on topic to the original question.

When does DTT go live.

http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=DAL20100302.xml&Node=H3-3#H3-3

"I have written to RTE informing it that the date for provision of a national service is 31 December 2011."

galtee boy

Martin_F wrote: »

Back on topic to the original question.

When does DTT go live.

http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=DAL20100302.xml&Node=H3-3#H3-3

"I have written to RTE informing it that the date for provision of a national service is 31 December 2011."

Under section 129 of the Broadcasting Act 2009, RTE is required to ensure that free-to-air DTT is available to approximately 90% of the population on such date as may be specified by the Minister. I signed an order last week specifying this date as being 31 October 2010. The Act also requires RTE to provide a national free-to-air digital service with capacity to carry RTE 1, RTE 2, TG4 and TV3 by the end of 2011 or such later date as I may specify. I have written to RTE informing it that the date for provision of a national service is 31 December 2011.

Public service mux to be launched on or before 31 October 2010, straight from the Minister's mouth ! No going back now ?

pa990

galtee boy wrote: »

.....! No going back now ?

And we all know that politicians never go back on their word.. ! !