Khan v Marquez fight in jeapordy?

magma69

JMM's trainer does not want him to fight Khan.
http://www.espn.co.uk/more/sport/story/6100.html

Looks like he has little faith in JMM to beat Khan. I think he is right. JMM should go back to lightweight and take on Valero. Who will Khan look to fight now? Malignaggi possibly. Anybody but his dreaded mandatory I'm sure. :pac:

digme

Unfortunately his trainer is right.He's a 135pound fighter,he's been through a lot already and he's 36 years old.Khan is too fast for Marquez at this point.Fight Timothy Bradley and stop fighting cherry picked fighters.

T-K-O

He aint going to fight Bradley. I'd actually like to see him fight Paulie.

walshb

Bradley's too risky at this stage, plus, they will want to build that fight up.
Bradley isn't a seller. I reckon Valero will be in the mix pretty soon, and Bradley
will take care of him.

The JMM fight is a no win fight for Khan. He beats him, what does it prove?

T-K-O

It would prove nothing. Khan is to big for Marquez. You think Valero will be on team Khans radar ? Or Bradley ?

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

It would prove nothing. Khan is to big for Marquez. You think Valero will be on team Khans radar ? Or Bradley ?

I think at some stage in the next 12 months if all men are still fighting and unbeaten, something will happen. It has to. Valero to me is not gonna' beat Bradley or Khan, unless he gets real lucky. Those two will box his ears off.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

I think at some stage in the next 12 months if all men are still fighting and unbeaten, something will happen. It has to. Valero to me is not gonna' beat Bradley or Khan, unless he gets real lucky. Those two will box his ears off.

I'll take that bet

nacho libre

Valero will knock Khan clean out if they ever face off.

walshb

nacho libre wrote: »

Valero will knock Khan clean out if they ever face off.

Valero will be giving up three to four inches and is nowhere near as skillful.

His only chance is the KO, and who is to say that Khan won't get to him first? Valero is
not a true LWW. Hopefully, Khan matures and gets stronger, and come fight time, he
blasts Valero away.

I think too much is being made of Edwin. I know his record looks great, but so did John
Mugabi's before he met a real talent.:)

nacho libre

walshb wrote: »

Valero will be giving up three to four inches and is nowhere near as skillful.

His only chance is the KO, and who is to say that Khan won't get to him first? Valero is
not a true LWW. Hopefully, Khan matures and gets stronger, and come fight time, he
blasts Valero away.

I think too much is being made of Edwin. I know his record looks great, but so was John
Mugabi's before he met a real talent.:)

Valero was giving up three-four inches on De Marco, now while De Marco is not of the same calibre as Khan, i reckon Khan being a taller fighter won't be a problem. While Valero may have a problem with Khan's speed, Valero has a decent chin and the skills to land on Khan. The thing is he doesn't even need to land frequently to have Khan in serious bother. While Khan might recover against a light-hitter like Limond, he won't against Valero.

joepenguin

Kahn outboxes him till the cows come home but like any fighter he just needs to land a flush shot or two on Khan to turn things around.

This is make or break time for Kahn and imo he should be as carefully guided here as any other time in his career.

Since losing to Prescott Warren put him in with an older, smaller fighter in Fagan, a badly faded and blown up Barerra, the weakest of any world title holder Kotelnik (who took it from Gavin Rees) and then beat Salita who never should have been in the top 15 of any governing bodies rankings let alone mandatory.

So to call out Bradley and all these guys just doesnt make sense. Mallignaggi only fits the bill because he has a low ko %

clubwelly

Yeah looks like he'll be fighting Paulie

walshb

I'll reserve judgment on Valero's power at LWW until he shows me that
he can KO men who are naturally bigger and stronger. I will not write Khan off just yet. He is now 23, not 21 and LW, he is bigger and stronger. I am not gonna' jump to conclusions here. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Khan were to whup Valero and take a shot or two en route to a clear win.

The LW jump to LWW is big enough, and especially so when the LW fighter is
smallish and a formere 130 lb fighter, moving up more for big pay days than for necessity and weight.

nacho libre

Khan might be bigger and stronger but he can't put muscle on his chin. Valero doesn't really even have to carry his power over from lightweight to have Khan seeing stars. As we've seen Khan struggle at lw against light hitters.
The evidence to date suggests that Khan will buckle at light welterweight against any guy with decent power who is able to land on him. So either he gets his man out of there first or he is not going to go 12 rounds. Whichever way you look at it, i can't see him having a stellar career unless he is really well-managed.

walshb

nacho libre wrote: »

Khan might be bigger and stronger but he can't put muscle on his chin. Valero doesn't really even have to carry his power over from lightweight to have Khan seeing stars. As we've seen Khan struggle at lw against light hitters.
The evidence to date suggests that Khan will buckle at light welterweight against any guy with decent power who is able to land on him. So either he gets his man out of there first or he is not going to go 12 rounds. Whichever way you look at it, i can't see him having a stellar career unless he is really well-managed.

Nacho, interesting points about the chin.

Question: If Limond connected on Khan's chin TODAY
with the exacts same shots as he did a few years ago, would Khan
be on queer street? I don't think so. Because Khan has
matured, developed and put on weight.

Now, Valero is obviously a different kinda' hitter. I understand this.

I am just not yet ready to make Valero out to be a destroyer of men bigger
and naturally bigger than he. He is really a SFF/LW. Khan is right now
a LWW, and a biggish one too.

Valero has also to taste LWW power, speed and power that Khan
can provide. Is Khan Tommy Hearns? No, but he can hurt you when
he plants those feet and lets rip.

nacho libre

well, it's hard to say really, khan might not get exposed if he were to fight limond today. if so this would be due to his maturation as a fighter and guidance under roach. Still, a dodgy chin will always be his major weakness, regardless of his frame and the muscle he puts on, against a natural light welterweight.

yes, his skill will likely see him prevail against fighters, like malignaggi, who can't punch. however against a skilled fighter, with decent power, at lighter welterweight he is not going to go the distance. i'll agree with you Valero coming up in weight may not be the man to do it, but that remains to be seen.

magma69

I'm with Nacho here. Khan's chin will be his downfall. All he can improve is his defense and tactics and fight clever against the big punchers. But those tactics will only work for so long. He will be clattered at some point and when he does it is lights out. He can't go on fighting either feather fisted or unskilled opponents forever if he wants to be an elite fighter.

You'll probably think I'm mad for saying this but I think Khan has a better chance of beating Bradley than he does beating someone like Urango.

walshb

I'm with you guys on this, and I am under no illusion as to the dangers and risks that
Khan faces. I am simply allowing him that ONE loss. Time ticks by, Khan gets stronger, more mature etc, and then we will see how his punch resistance is.

As Paul said in another thread, it's not JUST chin. Stamina is also a factor in punch absorption. Khan does have stamina, and it will improve. He is still growing and maturing.

As for Bradley, not a deadly puncher, but stiff enough. I would favor Khan to out box any of them, they need to KO him for the win I feel.

magma69

walshb wrote: »

I'm with you guys on this, and I am under no illusion as to the dangers and risks that
Khan faces. I am simply allowing him that ONE loss. Time ticks by, Khan gets stronger, more mature etc, and then we will see how his punch resistance is.

As Paul said in another thread, it's not JUST chin. Stamina is also a factor in punch absorption. Khan does have stamina, and it will improve. He is still growing and maturing.

As for Bradley, not a deadly puncher, but stiff enough. I would favor Khan to out box any of them, they need to KO him for the win I feel.

I agree, I could count the boxers capable of outboxing Khan from lightweight to welterweight on one hand. The lad has incredible skills. It truly is a shame about his chin. He could become an all time great with a good chin.

aleybert

T-K-O wrote: »

I'll take that bet

+1

nacho libre

magma69 wrote: »

I agree, I could count the boxers capable of outboxing Khan from lightweight to welterweight on one hand. The lad has incredible skills. It truly is a shame about his chin. He could become an all time great with a good chin.

yes, that's very true. if he had the all-round package he'd be pretty much unbeatable until his reflexes waned.

scooby2791

No way Khan will fight Bradley yet. Also since Khan is trying to break into America, he won't be fighting Valero because Valero won't and more than can't get a license to fight in America for a long time.

makl

scooby2791 wrote: »

No way Khan will fight Bradley yet. Also since Khan is trying to break into America, he won't be fighting Valero because Valero won't and more than can't get a license to fight in America for a long time.

'cept for texas afaik

scooby2791

makl wrote: »

'cept for texas afaik

My bad, cleared to fight in Texas. So it could happen haha well I'd take Valero over Khan anyday