Ruby Walsh

UrbanSea

Yes the man everyone loves.
Not for me. Perhaps in grade 1's and high value races,but has anyone else noticed of late his,dare I say it,lack of effort in certain races?
Did anyone see the 2.25 at fairyhouse today? I'm stil baffled as to how avrika legioneirre didn't win.
Looking at that replay I would have given him a ban for lack of effort from when he was joined.
Anyone recall 4/11 tricky trickster, 30/100 quel esprit,2/11 tataniano?
A few people would have lost a few quid there. Funny just how much his horse was drifting today (went from 1/2 to 4/6 in a matter of minutes) as the winner went from 3/1 to 2/1 out of nowhere. I know not a substantial amount but that coupled with the fact that the race should have been in the bag really annoyed me

Whyno

I guess you lost money on him today.Hard cheese old boy.

UrbanSea

22,not gonna lose any sleep over it. It was the tactics that baffled me

Sprouts

greetings wrote: »

Yes the man everyone loves.
Not for me. Perhaps in grade 1's and high value races,but has anyone else noticed of late his,dare I say it,lack of effort in certain races?
Did anyone see the 2.25 at fairyhouse today? I'm stil baffled as to how avrika legioneirre didn't win.
Looking at that replay I would have given him a ban for lack of effort from when he was joined.
Anyone recall 4/11 tricky trickster, 30/100 quel esprit,2/11 tataniano?
A few people would have lost a few quid there. Funny just how much his horse was drifting today (went from 1/2 to 4/6 in a matter of minutes) as the winner went from 3/1 to 2/1 out of nowhere. I know not a substantial amount but that coupled with the fact that the race should have been in the bag really annoyed me

You do have a point, particularly when aboard AJ Martins. To be fair today though, I think he was under instructions not to punish the horse as hes only a 4 year old. The race wasn't worth that much today and they dont care if you had the housekeeping on it, they have races in mind for the horse and probably didn't want to sour him today.

kenger

Sort of agree with poster. He's an excellent horseman, one of the best , which can mean he is as good at stopping them as winning on them. Still only doing what he's told

UrbanSea

Sprouts wrote: »

You do have a point, particularly when aboard AJ Martins. To be fair today though, I think he was must have been under instructions not to punish the horse as hes only a 4 year old. The race wasn't worth that much today and they dont care if you had the housekeeping on it, they have races in mind for the horse and probably didn't want to sour him today.

I thought the same and understand that,plus if it heads to cheltenham it's price will be that little bit higher.
At the same time,I dont think he would have even needed to punish that horse to win today. Coming around the turn three out,he had a perfect chance to just kick on slightly and he was always going better than the horse behind him. I also thought it strange that he came so far out from the rail off the turn,considering ground being heavy today and all

Whyno

Did you not see this horses bumper and hurdle debut???

Pulled like a train in his bumper and blew up and finished a bad 4th to Al Ferof.
In his hurdle debut, raced very keenly and outclassed a poor maiden field.
Todays race ran very freely and still was tanking turning for home along sides with Summit Meeting a horse who beat Al Ferof very easily in a bumper and has some very useful hurdles form and is an up and coming progressive novice.
It looke very strange that ruby got beat the way he did but when this horse learns to settle a lot better an on better ground will be a decent animal but until he learns to settle better wont finish off his races to full effect.

Colonel Sanders

I've said before on here, one of the most blatant non triers I've ever seen him ride was Ballytrim in his debut over fences

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soon behind, 13th before 7 out, left 8th from next, soon no danger, kept on without threatening

Another one to have a look at on ATR

UrbanSea

Whyno wrote: »

Did you not see this horses bumper and hurdle debut???

Pulled like a train in his bumper and blew up and finished a bad 4th to Al Ferof.
In his hurdle debut, raced very keenly and outclassed a poor maiden field.
Todays race ran very freely and still was tanking turning for home along sides with Summit Meeting a horse who beat Al Ferof very easily in a bumper and has some very useful hurdles form and is an up and coming progressive novice.
It looke very strange that ruby got beat the way he did but when this horse learns to settle a lot better an on better ground will be a decent animal but until he learns to settle better wont finish off his races to full effect.

I can see where you are coming from again.
It was clear even before that race that Summit Meeting was going to be difficult to beat but it was just the manner in which he joined ruby's on the rail without as much of a question by ruby.
As you said though,hopefully will be the making of a good horse.
At the same time it was only last march it finished runner up in a valuable hurdle race out in auteuil,and that isn't an easy accomplishment,the jumps are always competitive out there especially one with 20 runners

UrbanSea

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

I've said before on here, one of the most blatant non triers I've ever seen him ride was Ballytrim in his debut over fences

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Another one to have a look at on ATR

Just watched it.
He hardly killed himself to get him there.

mdwexford

So every odds on horse he gets beaten on he was pulling? lmao at you

UrbanSea

mdwexford wrote: »

So every odds on horse he gets beaten on he was pulling? lmao at you

Must have a rather sad life if that is your idea of a good laugh.
Don't believe I said that he pulls every odds on horse that he gets beaten on.lmao at you

mdwexford

greetings wrote: »

Must have a rather sad life if that is your idea of a good laugh.
Don't believe I said that he pulls every odds on horse that he gets beaten on.lmao at you

Your original post is pathetic and just shows how little you know about racing, why are you listing out the last 3 odds on shots he got beaten on, it proves nothing.

You did your dough today on some nag, nobody here cares, now stop starting rubbish threads on here slating the best jump jockey around.

Diggy78

eh, anyone see his efforts a half hour earlier on Suil Aris??? That one also drifted by the way, 9-4 out to 7-2. Couldn't have tried harder, superb ride.

UrbanSea

mdwexford wrote: »

Your original post is pathetic and just shows how little you know about racing, why are you listing out the last 3 odds on shots he got beaten on, it proves nothing.

You did your dough today on some nag, nobody here cares, now stop starting rubbish threads on here slating the best jump jockey around.

Aw. Touched a nerve.
And I was giving them as examples as races I feel he should have one.
Today? Should have won.
Quel Esprit? You bet'ya. Should have won.
Ok I can forgive tricky trickster.
1, Never would have touched it anyway
2, new yard,while out.

I also believe golden silver came between some of those horses in the 'last 3 odds on shots he was beaten on'.
And I'm glad that a single post can highlight any knowledge I may have,on any topic.
Ignorance is bliss.

UrbanSea

Diggy78 wrote: »

eh, anyone see his efforts a half hour earlier on Suil Aris??? That one also drifted by the way, 9-4 out to 7-2. Couldn't have tried harder, superb ride.

True,saw it. Resembled one that McCoy had done minutes before I felt

Diggy78

Oh, and also not happy with result as I had AL in a 4 timer with Suil Aris, Seabass and Kempes. Ruby possibly makes a mistake with one of them, but was excellent today as usual. My mistake taking the odds on in a novice hurdle.

UrbanSea

There'll always be more.

Diggy78

greetings wrote: »

True,saw it. Resembled one that McCoy had done minutes before I felt

True, saw that one too, was probably even better , but we'll salivate over McCoy in another thread.

Juwwi

http://www.attheraces.com/form.aspx?raceid=253457&meetingid=&date=2010-01-20&ref=form&refsite=

any1 see this race .he took it very easy on the second.

UrbanSea

Haha,and as to whether ruby was right to pick kauto

mdwexford

greetings wrote: »

Aw. Touched a nerve.
And I was giving them as examples as races I feel he should have one.
Today? Should have won.
Quel Esprit? You bet'ya. Should have won.
Ok I can forgive tricky trickster.
1, Never would have touched it anyway
2, new yard,while out.

I also believe golden silver came between some of those horses in the 'last 3 odds on shots he was beaten on'.
And I'm glad that a single post can highlight any knowledge I may have,on any topic.
Ignorance is bliss.

A nerve, not too clever are you, you just showed your ignorance in your OP.

So Tataniano should have won in your opinion eh? You must be quite the race reader.

Yes from the looks of your posts today you have no knowledge so good luck with that.

UrbanSea

mdwexford wrote: »

A nerve, not too clever are you, you just showed your ignorance in your OP.

So Tataniano should have won in your opinion eh? You must be quite the race reader.

Yes from the looks of your posts today you have no knowledge so good luck with that.

Hmm I actually would have thought I am rather clever?
Ah but sure you know me well now,at least you can tell me.
So tell me,you didn't think Tataniano should have won?
Well I'm glad that you must have have had your mouse stuck on the 'lay' button and right now your are laughing at me while reading my posts on your golden laptop.

mdwexford

He was an obvious non stayer and was out on his feet at the end of the race, you think another jockey would have won? So Ruby cost him the race in your opinion?

UrbanSea

Even with the extra 2 furlongs from it's last run,it should have been easily good enough to win
It won over 2m1 in a similar novice chase before that and won at 2m3 in a novice hurdle last year.However I see where you are coming from there.
That extra furlong may have been his downfall,and not ruby,but the horse should have still won I felt. Suntini was also coming up from 2 mile.

mdwexford

The ground was also not ideal and Nicholls blamed himself for the horse getting beaten that day, i have him backed ante post for the Arkle so was disappointed but in no way was Ruby to blame.

Sprouts

The last day Seabass falling at the last in Navan was a just reward for the couple of non trying runs before that, Turf club are afraid to tackle this man but have no problem banning the little guys for the same carry on.

kingshankly

You can make excuses all yee like for arvika legioneere but fact was ruby never tried. There was strong word for the winner in fairyhouse and have no doubt if ruby was on the fav it would have won, even the way with 50 yards to go when the horse was bet ruby through the kitchen sink at him to make it look good. Ruby is the prince of Irish racing but there is no doubt he is stopping plenty of horses and anyone that thinks otherwise is very naive

Nulty

greetings wrote: »

Hmm I actually would have thought I am rather clever?
Ah but sure you know me well now,at least you can tell me.
So tell me,you didn't think Tataniano should have won?
Well I'm glad that you must have have had your mouse stuck on the 'lay' button and right now your are laughing at me while reading my posts on your golden laptop.

LOL...Gold

Nulty

Why then put Ruby on a horse that is being handicapped by the trainer?

Because Ruby will be riding him later in big races and this is an opportunity to get to know the horse. Also, he rides - he gets paid.
Maybe people expect Ruby to win too much. Would there be such a fuss if Ruby wasn't on him today?

I haven't watched the race back yet but from the comments I gather Mullins said for the horse not to be knocked about. Fair enough.

westlife2010

About your 3 examples in question,
With Quel he prob should have kicked on a little earlier, but dont under estimate the winner... could be decent!

with Tat, its hard to know what to make of the performance, but he jumped out to right and the winner was travelling best from a long way out. Cant really blame the jock on this one

And Tricky.... well this one needs about 10 miles to come into his own and with the GN as the main target he was never going to be over punished. The racing post were very keen on the winner for the race.

didn't see the race today but I do believe that Ruby has adopted a more 'softly softly' approach on a lot of horses. Saw a race last week at Clonmel were i really believe he gave a 'misjudged' ride (i am being kind) on a 2/1 shot Killutagh Queen http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=CLO_2010_02_04_02_1415 (watch how easy he is on the horse from the 1/2 mile out, not getting the horse into any winning position. Never asks any question until after the last when the race is over. Plenty left in the tank) and the winning jock?.... P TOWNEND!!!

UrbanSea

Was this thread unlocked or was it me?
Anyone has any opinions on big fella thanks tomorrow?