All Ireland inter counties championship

dartbhoy

The All Ireland inter counties championship takes place this weekend in Castlebar Co Mayo. Cork are the reigning champions and Mayo were last year's runners up. Does anyone know if the draw for this tournament can be got online? This is the highlight of the year for many county players but INDO do very little to promote it and there's absoloutley no media coverage of it.

padr81

Find the draw? Don't think it'll be made till at least tomorrow night at or before the singles. the indo website is www.irelanddarts.com but it hasn't being last updated since before the mohill winter festival and the rankings were looked after for awhile and than disappeared mid season.

dartbhoy

padr81 wrote: »

Find the draw? Don't think it'll be made till at least tomorrow night at or before the singles. the indo website is www.irelanddarts.com but it hasn't being last updated since before the mohill winter festival and the rankings were looked after for awhile and than disappeared mid season.

I checked the INDO website but as you said hasn't been updated for quite a while. I was working in Mayo this time last year and the local county newspaper The Western People done a very good report on the Mayo teams in the All Ireland giving a good report on the teams in each of their sections and a results round up. 103FM radio station in Cork gave reports of the Cork's teams progress during the weekend last year but i had to depend on this good forum to find out the end results! I thought the draw might have been done by now.

attaturk

dartbhoy wrote: »

The All Ireland inter counties championship takes place this weekend in Castlebar Co Mayo. Cork are the reigning champions and Mayo were last year's runners up. Does anyone know if the draw for this tournament can be got online? This is the highlight of the year for many county players but INDO do very little to promote it and there's absoloutley no media coverage of it.

the draw is traditionally done on the sat morn morning lads with 6[i think] teams being seeded but defo draw on sat. was involved for a few years and the wait is horrible as for publicity the INDO should take a serious look at themselves its shocking and a real chance to promote the game is being missed particularly with the sport bing so well televised at the moment

padr81

attaturk wrote: »

the draw is traditionally done on the sat morn morning lads with 6[i think] teams being seeded but defo draw on sat. was involved for a few years and the wait is horrible as for publicity the INDO should take a serious look at themselves its shocking and a real chance to promote the game is being missed particularly with the sport bing so well televised at the moment

Definately, most the indo guys are dead sound (i've met a few) but don't really know how to run what they're running if that makes sense. They have no real p.r., no real organisation and I know Mussha off this forum whose playing on Saturday couldn't even get a rule book off them. Their only real way to spread news of the games is to leave flyers at one game for the next and at local comps around sligo etc.. very old and very dated.

I think the website was an honest attempt to get started but due to lack of time or effort I couldn't tell ya which, first the results stopped coming up, than the rankings stopped updating etc.. and it fell so far behind that I think they gave up on it. Going on to there website than click Connaught darts than Sligo blogspot is usually the easiest way to find the upcoming games.

As said above MidWest are very pro darts and will give updates at every available time but they'll be centred around the hosts (not that i'm complaining) If I get up Saturday for a look I'll update you guys when I get home and same thing Sunday.

For what its worth its hard to look past Cork, Donegal, Mayo, Kilkenny and possibly Wexford for the title.

vindaloo1

Draw is made Saturday morning at the managers meeting, no seeding.

The rules are the same as the WDF rules, you can get that off a website somewhere but not the INDO one. There are other rules, in a constitution, but that is at the sports council or so I was told.

Regarding the website, very very poor, they really are missing a trick there. No mention of Bridlington, Lakeside, the Europe Cup Youths, or the World Cup Mens and Youths successes.

Dartgod

The following are the Men's Groups in Castlebar - - -

{1} Cavan, Dublin, Kilkenny and Waterford.
{2} Donegal, Meath, Longford and Tipperary.
{3} Carlow, Wicklow, Roscommon and Limerick.
{4} Sligo, Mayo, Galway and Monaghan.
{5} Cork, Wexford and Offaly.
{6} Westmeath, Kerry and Laois.

padr81

Dartgod wrote: »

The following are the Men's Groups in Castlebar - - -

{1} Cavan, Dublin, Kilkenny and Waterford.
{2} Donegal, Meath, Longford and Tipperary.
{3} Carlow, Wicklow, Roscommon and Limerick.
{4} Sligo, Mayo, Galway and Monaghan.
{5} Cork, Wexford and Offaly.
{6} Westmeath, Kerry and Laois.

I'll have a guess and go. Kilkenny, Donegal, Limerick, Mayo, Cork and Kerry. Sligo, Mayo and Galway certainly looks interesting.

dartbhoy

Some interesting groups there with group 4 certaintly a hard group for 1 of the favourites Mayo who must play western rivals Sligo and Galway as well as Monaghan,won't be an easy group to get out of. Cork face a tricky tie against Wexford in group 5.

dartbhoy

Cork mens team beat Wexford 8-4 and play Offaly next at 4 00pm. Cork beat Dublin 6-0 in the Ladies and play Galway in their next game. I got these results off the local radio station.

padr81

Mayo beat Sligo 7-5 and Galway 10-2. Sligo beat Monaghan 8-4 and Galway Monaghan finished 6 all. when I left Mayo were 5-1 up on Monaghan and Galway v Sligo was 2-2 (i think) in a horrible game of darts, Sligo were holding back there big guns.

Dartbhoy, Cork were either 3 or 4-2 up against Offaly both teams playing very well. Didn't get to see any of the other games but I heard Donegal and Kilkenny were struggling a tad.

padr81

Mayo beat Monaghan 11-1 to follow up the 7-5 over Sligo and 10-2 over Galway.

Dartgod

Men's Group placings - - - Red teams first - Blue teams second

{1} Cavan, Dublin, Kilkenny and Waterford.
{2} Donegal, Meath, Longford and Tipperary.
{3} Carlow, Wicklow, Roscommon and Limerick.
{4} Sligo, Mayo, Galway and Monaghan.
{5} Cork, Wexford and Offaly.
{6} Westmeath, Kerry and Laois.

Play-offs are on at the moment - - - hope to have more news later.

Dartgod

The following is the line-up for the Men's Quarter-finals on Sunday - - -
Donegal v Wexford
Mayo v Kilkenny
Dublin v Kerry
Limerick v Cork

Anybody got any results from the Ladies' Championship ?

dartbhoy

Dartgod wrote: »

The following is the line-up for the Men's Quarter-finals on Sunday - - -
Donegal v Wexford
Mayo v Kilkenny
Dublin v Kerry
Limerick v Cork

Anybody got any results from the Ladies' Championship ?

The Cork Ladies topped their group beating Dublin and Galway. Other than that don't have any other results from the Ladies. Great line up for the quarter finals in the men tomorrow.

Dartgod

Semi-final line-up for the Men's Inter-Counties as follows - -

Donegal v Kilkenny
Dublin v Cork

The only news from the Ladies' event is that Cork are through to the semis against either Carlow or Donegal.

What are the odds on another Cork double ?

dartbhoy

2 great semis in prospect in the mens. Great if Cork could do the double again.

Dartgod

Still on for the Cork double in Castlebar.

The Cork ladies are through to the final against Wexford while the Cork men's team will take on Donegal after defeating Dublin 7 - 3 in the semis.
Donegal defeated Kilkenny 7 - 5 in the other semi.

dartbhoy

Thanks for the updates Dartgod. Hopefully Cork will do the double now.

Dartgod

Latest from Castlebar - - - - -

Cork ladies won the INDO Inter-Counties title for the 7th. time in ten years when they defeated Wexford in the final.

And the latest from the Men's final - - - - - Cork 3 - 2 Donegal.

Still on course for a Rebel Double !

dartbhoy

Well done to Cork Ladies,another great acheivement winning an All Ireland.

Dartgod

Unconfirmed report that Donegal won 7 - 3 - - - can anyone confirm ?

The West is asleep - - - lines of communication have broken down !

mr.jingle

Dartgod wrote: »

Unconfirmed report that Donegal won 7 - 3 - - - can anyone confirm ?

The West is asleep - - - lines of communication have broken down !

Donegal 7-4 Cork

padr81

It was definately 7-3 to Donegal. Great game of darts, Donegal won cause they were far stronger on the mid level outshots.

Campbell Jackson took out 79 and 114 after going 1 down to Damien O'Driscoll and it kinda set the tone. Cork were 3-2 up and Donegal kicked into gear. Massive game of darts saw a Cork lad whose name I can't remember beat Sean Wilson, huge darts.

Cork beat Dublin comfotably enough in the semi's coming from 3-1 down to win either 7-3 or 7-4, while Kilkenny pushed Donegal to 7-5.

One final point the Cork team are really good, really together and are nice blokes but boy do they strike a pose when they hit a double. Every other team simply might punch the air etc.. but the Cork lads nearly took the roof off the place every time they hit a score

vindaloo1

padr81 wrote: »

Massive game of darts saw a Cork lad whose name I can't remember beat Sean Wilson, huge darts.

That would be Peter Quinn.

Good darts yesterday in the final, surprising given that the semis were very nervy affairs (well the Kilkenny v Donegal game was anyway).

Kilkenny will be disappointed, they could have beaten Donegal in the semis.

padr81

vindaloo1 wrote: »

That would be Peter Quinn.

Good darts yesterday in the final, surprising given that the semis were very nervy affairs (well the Kilkenny v Donegal game was anyway).

Kilkenny will be disappointed, they could have beaten Donegal in the semis.

Definately, the semi's were hit and miss and saw alot of messy games. KK definately had their chance against Donegal, they played far better in the last 8 to beat Mayo and I quite fancied them after it was about 3-3.

I didn't see the Cork v Dublin semi but one of my mates said once Dublin went 3-1 up they kinda got nervy and Cork threw nice darts to take the next 6 in a row.

Only problem was a bunch of the tinkers I think off the Galway team kicked **** out of a couple of young lads the night before. They waited till almost everyone had left and picked on two young lads. At least as far as I'm told it was Galway lads, not a dig at the galway team at all just the ones who caused the trouble.

The other lads should tell them to **** off back to their haulting sites and stop them from playing tbh.

Carrickman

padr81 wrote: »

Campbell Jackson took out 79 and 114

WTF that man is from Derry (no offense to Campbell), shower of $%^& they wont give lads in our area a chance to play for their county it is a closed shop (its not hard to know the chairman of the INDO is living in Donegal) how can this be? I cant believe that they are getting away with this.

This is the county board that objected at the last minute a few years back about 3 of our leagues players playing for Meath you don't know half of the crap that goes on up here lads.

vindaloo1

Goes under Tyrone in the Players Championship, Donegal for the INDO Inter-counties.

He got in as he was not playing senior county in NIDO, got NIDO clearance, and was playing in Donegal leagues.

It stinks of packing teams but not much that can be done if he meets criteria.

Bodhisopha

What sort of average do you need to be competitive at one of these things? I love to compete but i'm not interested in making a tit of myself in public. I average at about 38.

Dartgod

vindaloo1 wrote: »

Goes under Tyrone in the Players Championship, Donegal for the INDO Inter-counties.

He got in as he was not playing senior county in NIDO, got NIDO clearance, and was playing in Donegal leagues.

It stinks of packing teams but not much that can be done if he meets criteria.

What criteria ??? - - - it is very unfair on genuine county teams who rely on their own players to compete in the Inter-Counties and then come up against "packed teams" !

This has been going on for years !

N.B. No disrespect to my good friend Campbell Jackson.

theroversreturn

Bodhisopha wrote: »

What sort of average do you need to be competitive at one of these things? I love to compete but i'm not interested in making a tit of myself in public. I average at about 38.

unless ur averaging that with 1 dart ur wasting ur time

padr81

Bodhisopha wrote: »

What sort of average do you need to be competitive at one of these things? I love to compete but i'm not interested in making a tit of myself in public. I average at about 38.

70 for the better teams 65 or so for the mid level ones and the lower teams like Monaghan etc... have a couple of good players but alot who average in the mid to high 50's.

Instead of thinking in terms of average think of it this way, you'll be competitive if you can finish in 21-24 darts 90% of the time. You'll win against the average player if your out in 18-21 and you'll compete with our top players and probably win if your out in 15 to 18 darts most the time.

padr81

Carrickman wrote: »

WTF that man is from Derry (no offense to Campbell), shower of $%^& they wont give lads in our area a chance to play for their county it is a closed shop (its not hard to know the chairman of the INDO is living in Donegal) how can this be? I cant believe that they are getting away with this.

This is the county board that objected at the last minute a few years back about 3 of our leagues players playing for Meath you don't know half of the crap that goes on up here lads.

I don't understand why all counties don't have qualifiers.

Here in Mayo the system is great tbh so you know if you don't make it theres no politics just simply the fact you didn't produce and the panel are the ones who deserve to be there.

Basically everyone outside of the county panel meets for 4 days playing about 40 games in a round robin system. 2 points for a win and 0 for a loss. You total up your top 3 days points and the top 9 or 10 advance to do the same format against the bottom 10 county players.

The 10 best from those than make the panel with the top 8 average wise from the season before.

Gives everyone a chance and a shot and you don't end up with beginners going up against the cream of the county and see them constantly getting hammered and possibly losing heart and interest. Its fair and competitive and if good enough you'll get your shot.

dartbhoy

padr81 wrote: »

I don't understand why all counties don't have qualifiers.

Here in Mayo the system is great tbh so you know if you don't make it theres no politics just simply the fact you didn't produce and the panel are the ones who deserve to be there.

Basically everyone outside of the county panel meets for 4 days playing about 40 games in a round robin system. 2 points for a win and 0 for a loss. You total up your top 3 days points and the top 9 or 10 advance to do the same format against the bottom 10 county players.

The 10 best from those than make the panel with the top 8 average wise from the season before.

Gives everyone a chance and a shot and you don't end up with beginners going up against the cream of the county and see them constantly getting hammered and possibly losing heart and interest. Its fair and competitive and if good enough you'll get your shot.

Must say that sounds a very good system for players to qualify for their county team. The standard of darts in the Erris league is very good,watched a few games last year and the standard was quite high.

vindaloo1

Dartgod wrote: »

Originally Posted by vindaloo1
Goes under Tyrone in the Players Championship, Donegal for the INDO Inter-counties.

He got in as he was not playing senior county in NIDO, got NIDO clearance, and was playing in Donegal leagues.

It stinks of packing teams but not much that can be done if he meets criteria.

What criteria ??? - - - it is very unfair on genuine county teams who rely on their own players to compete in the Inter-Counties and then come up against "packed teams" !

This has been going on for years !

N.B. No disrespect to my good friend Campbell Jackson.

The criteria being the bit in red above - ask Joe as there was a long discussion about this at the AGM.

vindaloo1

padr81 wrote: »

70 for the better teams 65 or so for the mid level ones and the lower teams like Monaghan etc... have a couple of good players but alot who average in the mid to high 50's.

Instead of thinking in terms of average think of it this way, you'll be competitive if you can finish in 21-24 darts 90% of the time. You'll win against the average player if your out in 18-21 and you'll compete with our top players and probably win if your out in 15 to 18 darts most the time.

I was told years ago, before my first one, that if you can throw 60 all the way you'll have a shot at a finish a lot of the time. I thought the lad who told me was messing about, but it is true, unless you meet someone on deadly form. 24 darts will win a lot of legs, as the best of 3 is a killer of a game when you are not used to it.

AndyP

An enjoyable weekend all round. We are happy enough with where we got but you know when you get to that stage you want to push on and win it. Young Sean was unlucky to miss a few doubles that could have put us 4-0 up against Cork and I think that would have been enough.

Just a word to say the dart boards they use are a disgrace, old Winmau Masters and Bulls Advantage boards, rubbish.

padr81

AndyP wrote: »

An enjoyable weekend all round. We are happy enough with where we got but you know when you get to that stage you want to push on and win it. Young Sean was unlucky to miss a few doubles that could have put us 4-0 up against Cork and I think that would have been enough.

Just a word to say the dart boards they use are a disgrace, old Winmau Masters and Bulls Advantage boards, rubbish.

Absolutely, they really do need to get some new boards they have the same ones for 10 years. even in the final there was about 40 bounce out.

btw ye did well Andy, I'd of said hi if I knew you lol... thought ye had cork but they came back strong.

AndyP

Anto Caldwell had at least 6 bouncers in his game against Kerry, he won it but it was a critical game which shouldn't be decided by poor boards. They should take a leaf out if Joe Coynes book with the way he runs the Leinsters.

Who was the bloke with the eh, hair??

pejesus

can any one tell me why most of the boards were taken down on sat night the lack of practice boards up there was shocking.

vindaloo1

AndyP wrote: »

Anto Caldwell had at least 6 bouncers in his game against Kerry, he won it but it was a critical game which shouldn't be decided by poor boards. They should take a leaf out if Joe Coynes book with the way he runs the Leinsters.

Who was the bloke with the eh, hair??

Must be John Bosclair if you are on about the Mayo player.

Evolution Enter

Gotta say, I was surprised by how poor the standard was. I was up covering it for the paper so was paying close attention. Standard was brilliant early on in the day, but 3-4 o'clock it really started dipping. The amount of 30+ legs was shocking for inter county standard.

The giant bar in the corner probably didn't help, but I was really disappointed!

On the other hand I did see back to back 180's for an attempt at 9 darter, but again that was early in the day

padr81

AndyP wrote: »

Anto Caldwell had at least 6 bouncers in his game against Kerry, he won it but it was a critical game which shouldn't be decided by poor boards. They should take a leaf out if Joe Coynes book with the way he runs the Leinsters.

Who was the bloke with the eh, hair??

that was John boisclare, hes from boston great player and a good laugh.

padr81

Evolution Enter wrote: »

Gotta say, I was surprised by how poor the standard was. I was up covering it for the paper so was paying close attention. Standard was brilliant early on in the day, but 3-4 o'clock it really started dipping. The amount of 30+ legs was shocking for inter county standard.

The giant bar in the corner probably didn't help, but I was really disappointed!

On the other hand I did see back to back 180's for an attempt at 9 darter, but again that was early in the day

Tbh there was only about 8 or 9 decent dart teams there, Donegal, Cork, Kilkenny, Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Meath and Westmeath. Alot of the other teams Limerick included had half a team, maybe 6 good players and very little behind. Alot of underperforming teams, maybe not poor players but players who couldn't produce on the county stage. Alot of matches started out with top darts for the first 5 or 6 games and than the standard dwindled away as they reached the weaker players.

AndyP

Evolution Enter wrote: »

Gotta say, I was surprised by how poor the standard was. I was up covering it for the paper so was paying close attention. Standard was brilliant early on in the day, but 3-4 o'clock it really started dipping. The amount of 30+ legs was shocking for inter county standard.

The giant bar in the corner probably didn't help, but I was really disappointed!

On the other hand I did see back to back 180's for an attempt at 9 darter, but again that was early in the day

It was by no means poor. It might not have been what you expected but you have to understand the pressure when you step to the line. It affects the best out there.
Also, Sunday morning on was the time to see the standard upped, some amazing darts from all involved considering the tension.