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Beyond Belief

  • 04-02-2010 12:54am
    #1
    Green Gooner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭


    I know of an event which took place in recent times which beggars belief and as a person who pays high taxes, quite frankly it infuriates me!

    A child from a family got christened in Co Donegal. After the ceremony the Priest who performed the ceremony got a call from a Priest in Co Mayo asking could he perform a christening in Co Mayo for him that same day as he was unable to do so. The Priest obliged and went to Co Mayo.

    When he got there...................IT WAS THE SAME CHILD THAT HE CHRISTENED EARLIER!!!!!

    This type of fraud of the Social Welfare system is cheating the State out of millions.

    This was a family from the Travelling community, and it annoys me that a minority give the decent law abiding Travellers (whom I have friends) a bad name.


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  • #2
    we'llallhavetea_old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea_old


    old news. and they need BIRTH CERTS not baptismal certs


  • #3
    Green Gooner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Green Gooner


    we'llallhavetea wrote: »
    old news. and they need BIRTH CERTS not baptismal certs
    Which begs the question then, why christen a child twice in the one day then?


  • #4
    we'llallhavetea_old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea_old


    Green Gooner wrote: »
    Which begs the question then, why christen a child twice in the one day then?

    which begs the question, did it actually happen??


  • #5
    Green Gooner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Green Gooner


    we'llallhavetea wrote: »
    which begs the question, did it actually happen??
    Yes it did happen unfortunately. I was told personally by a very good source.


  • #6
    we'llallhavetea_old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea_old


    Green Gooner wrote: »
    Yes it did happen unfortunately. I was told personally by a very good source.

    have you got a source to post up now?

    sorry, its just that some people want to see travellers in the worst light possible. no proof, no point imo.


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  • #7
    Red_Marauder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Red_Marauder


    Green Gooner wrote: »
    Which begs the question then, why christen a child twice in the one day then?
    Exactly. There is no logical reason for that to be the case, is there.


  • #8
    Green Gooner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Green Gooner


    we'llallhavetea wrote: »
    have you got a source to post up now?

    sorry, its just that some people want to see travellers in the worst light possible. no proof, no point imo.
    Dont put me in that bracket. Some of my friends are Travellers and I've great time for them and I find their tradition's very interesting.

    Like I said, I was told by a very good source. You choose not to believe it, that up to you, but pershaps you shouldnt dismiss a story because you think someone has it in for sections of our society. You couldnt be more wrong and as you said no point, dont bother replying if you dont believe the story.


  • #9
    we'llallhavetea_old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea_old


    ok, i see you've changed your original post.

    why did you bother mentioning it was a traveller family in the first place (before you edited)

    surely that shouldn't come into the equation


  • #10
    Green Gooner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Green Gooner


    we'llallhavetea wrote: »
    ok, i see you've changed your original post.

    why did you bother mentioning it was a traveller family in the first place (before you edited)

    surely that shouldn't come into the equation
    Ha, Ha! You didnt even read my original post properly!

    I changed the wording slightly as I wasnt sure whether I spelled 'christening' wrong and changed were the mistake was made!

    A piece of advice, before making judgement, read the thing properly!


  • #11
    we'llallhavetea_old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea_old


    hmmm.... ok, if you say so.

    i'm gonna go now, if you have evidence please feel free to pm me and rub it in my face!


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  • #12
    Green Gooner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Green Gooner


    we'llallhavetea wrote: »
    hmmm.... ok, if you say so.

    i'm gonna go now, if you have evidence please feel free to pm me and rub it in my face!
    It not going to name the person. I'll repeat to you, I heard from a very reliable source. It DID happen.


  • #13
    we'llallhavetea_old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea_old


    thats not proof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • #14
    BennyBlanko
    Closed Accounts Posts: 179 ✭✭BennyBlanko


    we'llallhavetea wrote: »
    old news. and they need BIRTH CERTS not baptismal certs

    +1 , nothing to see here.:rolleyes:


  • #15
    Green Gooner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Green Gooner


    we'llallhavetea wrote: »
    thats not proof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I thought you were going :rolleyes:

    I think you are on a wind up mission trying to defend the indefendable If I disclosed who told me, it would confirm it IS proof.


  • #16
    we'llallhavetea_old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea_old


    doubt it.

    anyway, lets say your little story is true. how do you think the fraudsters gained from having two baptismal certs?


  • #17
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Why would a priest in Mayo ring one in Donegal? Then just on top of that, the same baby gets christened!

    Having 2 baptismal certs makes no sense.

    AFAIK, they aren't of much use officially, until national school anyway.

    Now, if they had 2 birth certs, that would be different.

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  • #18
    Caoimhín
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭Caoimhín


    Ooops.


  • #19
    dlambirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭dlambirl


    I've heard this story too..... only mine happened in Monaghan and the people were foreign nationals. Wonder if there is any truth to it at all....

    I'm sure the social welfare needs Birth Certs for childrens allowence and such benefits, i doubt baptismal certs would suffice.

    Also, its along way from Donegal to Mayo for a christening, surely a priest from a nearer parish could of done it??


  • #20
    Gurgle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    Rule of thumb:
    If its beyond belief.... its probably not true.


  • #21
    Balagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,168 ✭✭✭Balagan


    http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:eifQcShjTC4J:debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx%3FF%3DSE
    Vol. 196 No. 12 Wednesday, 8 July 2009
    Parliamentary Debates



    Senator Camillus Glynn:
    I received a telephone call recently from a councillor in the west who expressed concern about social welfare fraud. He referred to an incident where a non-national couple had their child christened in a particular parish in his area. One week later, the same priest was standing in for a priest in a neighbouring parish when, lo and behold, the same couple presented to have their child christened. I am sure it is not because they like baptismal cake so much that they had the child christened twice. There was surely a more sinister motivation at play. I understand baptismal certificates are being accepted as proof of birth as well as birth certificates, which is something that should be reviewed. This is a scam and it must be investigated.


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  • #22
    Gurgle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    Balagan wrote: »
    Senator Camillus Glynn:
    I received a telephone call recently from a councillor in the west who expressed concern about social welfare fraud. He referred to an incident where a non-national couple had their child christened in a particular parish in his area...
    And the investigation leads to... ?
    When the priest involved sits in the witness box and testifies that this happened, then I'll believe it.

    Until then its just more Xenophobic propaganda.


  • #23
    Green Gooner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭Green Gooner


    K-9 wrote: »
    Why would a priest in Mayo ring one in Donegal? Then just on top of that, the same baby gets christened!

    Having 2 baptismal certs makes no sense.

    AFAIK, they aren't of much use officially, until national school anyway.

    Now, if they had 2 birth certs, that would be different.
    The priest in Co Mayo couldnt get anyone else.

    Not really a long journey...assuming the priest was from South Donegal and the christening was in East Mayo....


  • #24
    cee_jay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭cee_jay


    Social Welfare only accept birth certs.
    Please read forum charter before starting a thread like this again.
    Thread locked


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