City of Sligo

ddoom

Is Sligo the only City in the World not to have a Lord Mayor?

Is Sligo the only City in the World not to have a public toilet?

Or maybe Sligo is not really a City as claimed!

DD

takola

I've never thought of Sligo as a city. It's a town.

Is it supposed to be a city?

darealtulip

Accoording to the signs for the parking in sligo city it is.

And the sign Welcome to Sligo Gateway City.

I always have a giggle when I see them. It is a town (a small town).

bobcar61

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm almost sure there is a public toilet in Sligo.

darealtulip

bobcar61 wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm almost sure there is a public toilet in Sligo.

Where? Can't remeber seeing one. I thought McDonalds was that till they moved to Carraroe

Mint Sauce

sligo, city?



does it meet the crazy irish criteria of having a university, no, a catherdrial yes, and other stuff which escapes me at the moment, if you put sligo or any of the other so called cities on this island in any other country they would just be a small town

darealtulip wrote: »

Where? Can't remeber seeing one. I thought McDonalds was that till they moved to Carraroe

damn you, beat me to it

bobcar61

Upstairs in Johnston Court and also in Quayside, do they classify as Public Toilets?

darealtulip

bobcar61 wrote: »

Upstairs in Johnston Court and also in Quayside, do they classify as Public Toilets?

Forgot about those! I stand corrected!

bobcar61

irish-stew wrote: »

does it meet the crazy irish criteria of having a university, no

What is St.Angelas considered, a University?

takola

McDonald's is gone from O'Connell St now? What's where that used to be?

I don't think a University makes a difference. Waterford's a city and they only have WIT. Doubt St. Angela's is a uni either, surely not?

I always thought that the city title depended on the population.

bobcar61

Mc Donalds is now out at Carraroe Retail Park, I don't think it's just population which makes a town become a city.
St.Angelas is a college of NUI Galway hence I thought it might be a university.

takola

I see.

Still can't think of Sligo as a city. It's a town.

Mint Sauce

bobcar61 wrote: »

What is St.Angelas considered, a University?

thought st.angelas was just a campus

takola wrote: »

McDonald's is gone from O'Connell St now? What's where that used to be?

irish perminate bank or similar

takola wrote: »

I always thought that the city title depended on the population.

generally yes or based on percentage of the population of the whole country, although just seen this on wiki if its of any interest to anyone

City status in Ireland is decided by legislative or royal charter. Dublin, with 1 million residents in the Greater Dublin Area, is the largest city on the island. Other cities are:

Belfast (pop. 276,459)
Cork (pop. 190,384)
Limerick (pop. 90,800)
Derry (pop. 90,736)
Galway (pop. 72,700)
Lisburn (pop. 71,465)
Waterford (pop. 49,200)
Newry (pop. 27,433)
Armagh (pop. 14,590)
Kilkenny (pop. 22,179), while strictly no longer a city, is entitled by law to described itself as such.

Several towns have larger populations than some of these cities but are not recognised as cities because they lack historic charters or legal status.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland

terenc

Sligo a city, when?????????????????????????

shellykbookey

ddoom wrote: »

Is Sligo the only City in the World not to have a Lord Mayor?

Is Sligo the only City in the World not to have a public toilet?

Or maybe Sligo is not really a City as claimed!

DD

No city council, not a city end of. (I'm looking at you too Kilkenny)

shanec1928

bobcar61 wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm almost sure there is a public toilet in Sligo.

you mean in storage in dublin?

Essexboy

ddoom wrote: »

Is Sligo the only City in the World not to have a Lord Mayor?

Is Sligo the only City in the World not to have a public toilet?

Or maybe Sligo is not really a City as claimed!

DD

Belfast, Cork and Dublin are the only Irish cities to have Lords Mayor.

T-Bird

Sligo was named made a "Gateway City" back in the greedy days a couple of elections ago me thinks.

Ronan Keating

St. Angela's College

Sligo is not a city. It calls itself that for tourism purposes I suppose. There are plenty of Gateways in Ireland. The whole scenario is quite laughable. They pedestrianise O' Connell Street. Trying to get the same "feel" as Temple Bar, Shop Street etc. Pass by on a random day and on the street there were only enough people to count on your two hands. They have since reopened it to traffic. Wise move.

ddoom

This is great, this discussion has invoked some passion and worthwhile debate me thinks.

Years ago, the then Town Hall was closed for renovations, when it was re-opened it was renamed to City Hall.

The Sligo Champion in ink states that the Newspaper is for Sligo City and County. (Checked this morning).

Councillors refer to Sligo as a City. Ocean FM refers to Sligo as a City.

The reason for this would seem to be simple. If Sligo were a City, then the Sligo Borough Council would receive more monies as would I suspect the Sligo County Council.

The Sligo Borough claim in its literature that Sligo is a City, (They also claim that their Web site http://www.sligoborough.ie/ is W3C compliant which it is not as it failed a basic validation test)

The Sligo County Council also claim in its literature that Sligo is a City, (and they also claim that their Web site http://www.sligococo.ie/ is W3C compliant which it is not as it failed a basic validation test)

It seems to me that a certain element in Sligo suffer from Grandiosity.

DD

ponderaabel

Isn't it Sligo Town??!!

ddoom

Below are just some of the sources helping to promote the fallacy that Sligo is a City.

Sligo Races
Sligo City Hotel
Sligo County Council
Sligo Borough Council
IT Sligo
Sligo Champion
Sligo Triathlon
Sligo Tourism
Sligo City Cabs
Sligo Southern Hotel
Sligo County Enterprise board
Core Concepts Print Promotion & Design
Sligo Chamber of Commerce and Industry
Sligo Car Hire
Milligan Place Student Accommodation
Sligo Riverside Suites Hotel
Treasury Holdings
Clarion Hotel Sligo
Bus Éireann

The Facts.

• Sligo has a City Hall
• There are signs ‘Welcome to Sligo Gateway City.’
• But there are also signs for 'Town Centre'
• Sligo has a Town Clerk
• 30th March 1612 James I, by Royal Charter, bestowed on Sligo the status of a Corporate town.
• Sligo is not listed in the Local Government Act of 2001 as a City (neither is Kilkenny)
• In Ireland there is no official criteria as such in terms of population or otherwise to define what is a city.
• January 2008 Academics from Dublin Institute of Technology and the Urban Forum claimed that even if Sligo’s population doubles over the next 20 years it will not become a city.

So bottom line is that Sligo is Officially a TOWN by Irish Law.

DD

Essexboy

ddoom wrote: »

Below are just some of the sources helping to promote the fallacy that Sligo is a City.

Sligo Races
Sligo City Hotel
Sligo County Council
Sligo Borough Council
IT Sligo
Sligo Champion
Sligo Triathlon
Sligo Tourism
Sligo City Cabs
Sligo Southern Hotel
Sligo County Enterprise board
Core Concepts Print Promotion & Design
Sligo Chamber of Commerce and Industry
Sligo Car Hire
Milligan Place Student Accommodation
Sligo Riverside Suites Hotel
Treasury Holdings
Clarion Hotel Sligo
Bus Éireann

The Facts.

• Sligo has a City Hall
• There are signs ‘Welcome to Sligo Gateway City.’
• But there are also signs for 'Town Centre'
• Sligo has a Town Clerk
• 30th March 1612 James I, by Royal Charter, bestowed on Sligo the status of a Corporate town.
• Sligo is not listed in the Local Government Act of 2001 as a City (neither is Kilkenny)
• In Ireland there is no official criteria as such in terms of population or otherwise to define what is a city.
• January 2008 Academics from Dublin Institute of Technology and the Urban Forum claimed that even if Sligo’s population doubles over the next 20 years it will not become a city.

So bottom line is that Sligo is Officially a TOWN by Irish Law.

DD

In Ireland there is no official criteria as such in terms of population or otherwise to define what is a city.

My understanding is that until recently there were TWO types of Borough: County Boroughs like Cork, Waterford, Limerick, Dublin and Municipal Boroughs such as Drogheda, Clonmel and Sligo.

The County Boroughs were regarded as cities and the others were not, except for Kilkenny which was always called a city although it was only a Municipal Borough.

Sligo is not/was not/never will be a city. Nothing wrong with that - being called a town has not hindered other areas eg Tralee.

The people calling Sligo a city consist of

• a small group natives proud of its history, but mainly
• Chamber of Commerce types who think the title "city" would boost the area and their profits.

Buford T Justice

bobcar61 wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm almost sure there is a public toilet in Sligo.

Havin a slash in a doorway after a skinful doesn't count....

bobcar61 wrote: »

Upstairs in Johnston Court and also in Quayside, do they classify as Public Toilets?

Nope. They are in shopping centers run by private operators. Doesn't count.

The problem with the jacks is that no one in the council can agree on where they should be located. O Connell st would have been a good idea, but not since there is traffic on it again. Ingenius

They couldn't agree on the colour of shite - Pun intended

bobcar61

Sligo is a town and it always will be. There is no way it could be classified as a city.

Wasn't there a discussion before about locating the portaloo at the park up in Maugherboy past Saint Mary's football pitch.

Ronan Keating

Thw word city is a fantasy word conjured up in the minds of the locals. It's a farce.

The Sligo Champion is constantly referring to Sligo as a city. Headlines and paragraphs with "Sligo City development","Massive fantastic shopping centre opening in the middle of Sligo City Centre" and "O'Connell Street in Sligo City Centre" are frequent.

It's laughable. Yes, there is an O'Connell Street but it isn't Dublin for christ sake. It is that type of puke that would put you off purchasing the Champion.

Radharc na Sleibhte

Sligo City/Sligo Town? This matters because?????

Its just Sligo, full stop.

The same way Mayo is, well, Mayo.....

ddoom

It matters because it is wrong.

It matters because it is an untruth.

Just like Sligo claimed that Glencar Weterfall was in Sligo when it is actually in Leitrim.

Sligo is just another small Irish town with visions of grandeur.

DD

takola

ddoom wrote: »

It matters because it is wrong.

It matters because it is an untruth.

Just like Sligo claimed that Glencar Weterfall was in Sligo when it is actually in Leitrim.

Sligo is just another small Irish town with visions of grandeur.

DD

We've all admitted none of us think Sligo is a city. I really don't see why you're getting so worked up over it. It's not really important.

I wouldn't call it a small town anymore either. Was when the centre was 4 streets but it's growing now and is bigger than it used to be.

pappyodaniel

Essexboy wrote: »

Belfast, Cork and Dublin are the only Irish cities to have Lords Mayor.

Kevin Kiely is the Mayor of Limerick. Explain that.

darealtulip

takola wrote: »

We've all admitted none of us think Sligo is a city. I really don't see why you're getting so worked up over it. It's not really important.

I wouldn't call it a small town anymore either. Was when the centre was 4 streets but it's growing now and is bigger than it used to be.

It is not a large town either. The population is only about 18.000 people. That would class as a very small town bording to large village in Holland and we don't have real large cities in European context.

http://www.sligotown.net/

Ronan Keating

pappyodaniel wrote: »

Kevin Kiely is the Mayor of Limerick. Explain that.

Explain what? So what if he's the mayor? Good luck to him.

takola

darealtulip wrote: »

It is not a large town either. The population is only about 18.000 people. That would class as a very small town bording to large village in Holland and we don't have real large cities in European context.

http://www.sligotown.net/

I'd always thought the population was closer to 30,000! :eek:

Well, at least it's a pretty village.

iamthe43

Sligo city? I think you mean sligo (sh)ity

pappyodaniel

Ronan Keating wrote: »

Explain what? So what if he's the mayor? Good luck to him.

I was replying to a previous post and .... oh whats the point.

darealtulip

takola wrote: »

I'd always thought the population was closer to 30,000! :eek:

Well, at least it's a pretty village.

LOL

See I always thought 30.000 aswell till I googled it... I am al wisdom with google!

pappyodaniel

As Sligo is a 'town' with an Institute of technology wouldn't the population of the town swell from the months of September to May. I know it wouldn't be legit to the census but you could add another 4-5000 to the official population.

Ronan Keating

Posted by Essexboy

Belfast, Cork and Dublin are the only Irish cities to have Lords Mayor.

pappyodaniel replied:

Kevin Kiely is the Mayor of Limerick. Explain that.

What do you want explained?

pappyodaniel

Ronan Keating wrote: »

Posted by Essexboy


pappyodaniel replied:


What do you want explained?

Is Limerick not a city?

darealtulip

pappyodaniel wrote: »

Is Limerick not a city?

Depends, maybe accoording to Irish standards (don't know them really) but the population is only 91.000. Hardly a city in european context not.

http://www.lookaroundireland.com/city/limerick.htm

According to this only 51.000

http://www.cso.ie/statistics/popofeachprovcountycity2006.htm

pappyodaniel

darealtulip wrote: »

Depends, maybe accoording to Irish standards (don't know them really) but the population is only 91.000. Hardly a city in european context not.

http://www.lookaroundireland.com/city/limerick.htm

According to this only 51.000

http://www.cso.ie/statistics/popofeachprovcountycity2006.htm

Why are ye making such a big deal out of throw-away comment? an earlier poster claimed there were only 3 cities in ireland with a lord mayor. i corrected this statement saying Kevin Kiely is the Lord Mayor of Limerick. Limerick is a city and the population is up for debate because of boundary issues where the city has extended into areas that are part of the county council and in some cases into another county (Clare). It is the 3rd largest city in Ireland, it has a Lord Mayor.

PS Sligo is not a city.

Ronan Keating

pappyodaniel wrote: »

Is Limerick not a city?

Belfast, Cork and Dublin are the only Irish cities to have Lords Mayor.

Nothing to do with whether or not if Limerick is a city. It is but it doesn't have a Lord Mayor - like Galway, Waterford etc.

darealtulip

pappyodaniel wrote: »

Why are ye making such a big deal out of throw-away comment? an earlier poster claimed there were only 3 cities in ireland with a lord mayor. i corrected this statement saying Kevin Kiely is the Lord Mayor of Limerick. Limerick is a city and the population is up for debate because of boundary issues where the city has extended into areas that are part of the county council and in some cases into another county (Clare). It is the 3rd largest city in Ireland, it has a Lord Mayor.

PS Sligo is not a city.

Uhh you asked a question, I answered.

Like holland Ireland doesn't have real cities. Our countries are to small (eventhough holland has 4 times the population of Ireland) to have real cities so it is quite laughable to call small town cities.

SprostonGreen

Does the fact that its a town make it bad? Would it be better if it were a city?

The point of this post its seems is to slag off Sligo.

pappyodaniel

Ronan Keating wrote: »

Belfast, Cork and Dublin are the only Irish cities to have Lords Mayor.

Nothing to do with whether or not if Limerick is a city. It is but it doesn't have a Lord Mayor - like Galway, Waterford etc.

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Kevin_Kiely_%28Mayor_of_Limerick%29

Ronan Keating

pappyodaniel wrote: »

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Kevin_Kiely_%28Mayor_of_Limerick%29

Yes. MAYOR. Not LORD Mayor! Plenty of towns have Mayors.

Radharc na Sleibhte

ddoom wrote: »

It matters because it is wrong.

It matters because it is an untruth.

Just like Sligo claimed that Glencar Weterfall was in Sligo when it is actually in Leitrim.

Sligo is just another small Irish town with visions of grandeur.

DD

Really, it's that important???
Why does everything have to be defined and put in its own box.
Dictionary.com City = A large or important town.

Sligo = Sligo Town as far as I'm concerned.

redarmyblues

ireland has two cities dublin and belfast (just about)a metropolitan pop approaching 500k is required by any objective reasoning to qualify

T runner

ddoom wrote: »

Is Sligo the only City in the World not to have a Lord Mayor?

Is Sligo the only City in the World not to have a public toilet?

Or maybe Sligo is not really a City as claimed!

DD

Sligo is not officially a city. It is a designated Gateway city: the idea being with investment (and a power station) it might be a large centre for the NW and support a population of over 50,000. Anything with over 50,000 is probably a city by Irish standards.

CoCo etc calling it a city is to promote the gateway thing. Nothing wrong with that if it (gateway project) brings investment to Sligo.

In the 70's Sligos population was 14,000 and Galway's 21,000. Galway has
now 72,000. We are missing out. Nothing wrong with ambition.

darealtulip

Absolutly nothing wrong with ambition. But to call some place a city and then hope investers will be interested is a strange idea IMO. If nothing changes (and the chamber of commerce for one make sure of that) you can call it all you like but people won't invest.

You need a bit more of a plan then just call it city and hope all will be good.

DenMan

Tralee is slightly larger than Sligo and both are considered towns. Having an airport makes Sligo a Gateway City, but that's it i'm afraid. Bad infrastructure with parking and the Chamber of Commerce jointly at the top of the list is hindering Sligo imo. It's a nice little town.