Full body or split muscle groups?

cos!!

New around these parts go easy!!:pac: I have started going the gym pretty much everyday (being out of work and that) and i just want to lose some body fat and get some definition, the usual!My routine has been walk to the gym, warm up jog, weights then more cardio!Question is i have been working my whole body with the weights each day, but i'v been told now i shouldnt!Should i split up the muscle groups?Any replies appreciated cheers

dave80

cos!! wrote: »

New around these parts go easy!!:pac: I have started going the gym pretty much everyday (being out of work and that) and i just want to lose some body fat and get some definition, the usual!My routine has been walk to the gym, warm up jog, weights then more cardio!Question is i have been working my whole body with the weights each day, but i'v been told now i shouldnt!Should i split up the muscle groups?Any replies appreciated cheers

try a 3 day split:

day1: chest, delts, tri's, cardio

day2: back, traps, bi's

Day3: Quads, Hams, Calves, cardio

Day 4: off

Repeat above

Transform

what does your current program look like?

your height, weight and goals

cos!!

Cheers for the replys!Sorry what do you mean by programme?:o as in 5-10 mins warm up jog, 30-40 mins weights and 20-30 mins cardio after!I'm 5-11 and just over 12 stone (12st 2lbs) losing body fat is my main aim

BobbyOLeary

cos!! wrote: »

Cheers for the replys!Sorry what do you mean by programme?:o as in 5-10 mins warm up jog, 30-40 mins weights and 20-30 mins cardio after!I'm 5-11 and just over 12 stone (12st 2lbs) losing body fat is my main aim

He means what sort of weights exactly.

e.g. 3x12 - Bench Press (60kg), 3x8 - Squat (80kg), etc.

Websters

scrap doing chest and tricep and delts same day. christ give him a chance...


better off with the following

mon;chest, biceps

tuesday; back

wednesday;off weights

thursday;legs

friday;shoulders triceps (to include delts traps etc,it is shoulders after all)

mix your diet up to, lots of fruit and make sure to take in a good bit on carbs post workout,otherwise you'll crash out and get a dip of tiredness.

sounds like your onto a good thing anyway just fine out what works for you.

Colm_OReilly

Man there's some downright silly advice on this thread so far.

OP, as a novice, you have no need to do a split routine. Focus on getting stronger and fitter.

Get stronger by concentrating on squatting, deadlifting, pull ups, push ups, dips, presses (and maybe benching).

For fitness, try out this workout. For 10 minutes, do 5 pull ups, 10 push ups, 15 squats. Do as many rounds as possible in that time. Repeat it again in 4 weeks to test your fitness out.

Eat breakfast, and 3-4 meals after that, making sure everyone contains protein, fruits and vegetables, and some healthy, natural fats.

TommyKnocker

Colm_OReilly wrote: »

Man there's some downright silly advice on this thread so far.

OP, as a novice, you have no need to do a split routine. Focus on getting stronger and fitter.

Get stronger by concentrating on squatting, deadlifting, pull ups, push ups, dips, presses (and maybe benching).

For fitness, try out this workout. For 10 minutes, do 5 pull ups, 10 push ups, 15 squats. Do as many rounds as possible in that time. Repeat it again in 4 weeks to test your fitness out.

Eat breakfast, and 3-4 meals after that, making sure everyone contains protein, fruits and vegetables, and some healthy, natural fats.

I am no expert, but would pretty much agree with what Colm has said.

If you are looking for a structured program to get you started, check out

Strong Lifts 5x5 http://stronglifts.com/

-or -

Strating Strength http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Starting_Strength_Wiki

Either of these programs will get you started on the right foot and see you make good progress.

I would advise that you get either a knowledgable instructor at your gym or maybe even pay for a session with a personal trainer to go through the technique of the different lifts at the start. It's really important to nail down the propper form of these lifts before adding heavy weights.


Best Regards,

M

Lothaar v2

Colm_OReilly wrote: »

For fitness, try out this workout. For 10 minutes, do 5 pull ups, 10 push ups, 15 squats.

Sorry to take this thread off-topic, but this is something I always wonder when I'm reading this forum.

Are pull-ups really that easy for everyone to do? I find them quite difficult, but I'm working hard on them at the moment. I can't do five bodyweight pullups (working on negatives and assisted pullups myself), but I could lash out pushups no bother. The two exercises seem vastly different in terms of difficulty and the amount of strength required to perform them.

I mean - are 5 pullups really the equivalent of 10 pushups?

d'Oracle

Lothaar v2 wrote: »

Sorry to take this thread off-topic, but this is something I always wonder when I'm reading this forum.

Are pull-ups really that easy for everyone to do? I find them quite difficult, but I'm working hard on them at the moment. I can't do five bodyweight pullups (working on negatives and assisted pullups myself), but I could lash out pushups no bother. The two exercises seem vastly different in terms of difficulty and the amount of strength required to perform them.

I mean - are 5 pullups really the equivalent of 10 pushups?

No-one said they were.

But you could probably sub inverted rows in there.

Colm_OReilly

Lothaar v2 wrote: »

Sorry to take this thread off-topic, but this is something I always wonder when I'm reading this forum.

Are pull-ups really that easy for everyone to do? I find them quite difficult, but I'm working hard on them at the moment. I can't do five bodyweight pullups (working on negatives and assisted pullups myself), but I could lash out pushups no bother. The two exercises seem vastly different in terms of difficulty and the amount of strength required to perform them.

I mean - are 5 pullups really the equivalent of 10 pushups?

It's a good question. The answer really is "it depends" which I know isn't a great answer.

If you are in CrossFit, and are doing kipping pull ups, generally the push ups fail first in this workout. However, that's ensuring you are doing full range of motion push ups as well, as it's very, very easy to start gaming these by doing an incomplete movement.

You could always scale the pull ups down to 3, or do band/machine assisted as well.

cos!!

Cheers for all of that!!I started to sort my diet out, so hopefully il start seeing results in a bit with the working out added!I think i'll get one of the instructers to sort out a programme to suit me!thanks again

mindaugelis

dave80 wrote: »

try a 3 day split:

day1: chest, delts, tri's, cardio

day2: back, traps, bi's

Day3: Quads, Hams, Calves, cardio

Day 4: off

Repeat above

it is push/pull and upper/lower body hybrid... its good for fat burning, or gaining lean mass(but not for beginners)

dave80

wats peoples problems wit splits routines around here, show me someone whos made better gains on a fullbody rather than a split!

mindaugelis

dave80 wrote: »

wats peoples problems wit splits routines around here, show me someone whos made better gains on a fullbody rather than a split!

i did

dave80

mindaugelis wrote: »

i did

were you doin a slit routine correctly is my question to tat then?

mindaugelis

dave80 wrote: »

were you doin a slit routine correctly is my question to tat then?

at the moment i am on a split, before that i was on a half fullbody half split (for me it is more fullbody that split) upper/lower body and i realy enjoy it
imo split is more for muscle details(relief) and fullbody is for muscle gain

and what tat means?

dave80

mindaugelis wrote: »

at the moment i am on a split, before that i was on a half fullbody half split (for me it is more fullbody that split) upper/lower body and i realy enjoy it
imo split is more for muscle details(relief) and fullbody is for muscle gain

and what tat means?

upper/lower is a split, dont agree wit you about splits bein for detail and fullbody for muscle gain, lets agree to disagree

BobbyOLeary

dave80 wrote: »

wats peoples problems wit splits routines around here, show me someone whos made better gains on a fullbody rather than a split!

It's because novices will find it easier to learn a limited amount of exercises (Squat, Deadlift, Bench, Press, Pullup) and use those 3-4 times per week. Similarly a novice's recovery capacity for the work they are doing is quite good so they can make faster progress by repeating a whole body workout a few times a week.

Splits will also work for a novice, though in my experience people on full body programs tend to get bigger and stronger faster. Nobody has a problem with split programs, only that they may not be ideal for a novice.

mindaugelis

dave80 wrote: »

upper/lower is a split, dont agree wit you about splits bein for detail and fullbody for muscle gain, lets agree to disagree

did you ever try fullbody? ofcourse you can do very good muscle gain on a split if you on roids upper/lower is a hybrid:p

dave80

BobbyOLeary wrote: »

It's because novices will find it easier to learn a limited amount of exercises (Squat, Deadlift, Bench, Press, Pullup) and use those 3-4 times per week. Similarly a novice's recovery capacity for the work they are doing is quite good so they can make faster progress by repeating a whole body workout a few times a week.

Splits will also work for a novice, though in my experience people on full body programs tend to get bigger and stronger faster. Nobody has a problem with split programs, only that they may not be ideal for a novice.

in my experience splits are better and when i say splits i dont mean the bodybuilding split of 4 exercises per muscle group etc, i mean for push you might have bench, press, dips and tats it

BobbyOLeary

Fair enough, each to their own. I'm just wary of splits as it usually allows people to skive off doing squats and deads and focus too much on teh gunnnnzzzz.

dave80

BobbyOLeary wrote: »

I'm just wary of splits as it usually allows people to skive off doing squats and deads and focus too much on teh gunnnnzzzz.

me too, normally itll be:

Day1: bench, Press, Dips
Day2: Chins, Rows, Curls
Day3: A: Squat, SL Dead, Calf Raise, B: Deads, Front Squat, Calf Raise.

all for 5x5 except for the last exercise which will be 3 x 8-10

mindaugelis

dave80 wrote: »

me too, normally itll be:

Day1: bench, Press, Dips
Day2: Chins, Rows, Curls
Day3: A: Squat, SL Dead, Calf Raise, B: Deads, Front Squat, Calf Raise.

all for 5x5 except for the last exercise which will be 3 x 8-10

it dont look real split for me

best beginner split :

Day 1: Chest(4exercises) biceps (3exercises)
Day 2: Back(4ex.) tris (3ex.)
Day 3: off
Day 4: Chest (4ex.) bis (3ex.)
Day 5: Back (ex.) tris (3ex.)
Day 6: off
Day 7: off

podge57

mindaugelis wrote: »

it dont look real split for me

best beginner split :

Day 1: Chest(4exercises) biceps (3exercises)
Day 2: Back(4ex.) tris (3ex.)
Day 3: off
Day 4: Chest (4ex.) bis (3ex.)
Day 5: Back (ex.) tris (3ex.)
Day 6: off
Day 7: off

I find it hard to tell if any of your posts are serious or not..

mindaugelis

podge57 wrote: »

I find it hard to tell if any of your posts are serious or not..

last one was joke