Israel Assasinates Hamas Commander in Dubai

Brown Bomber

Details Here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7103862/Israel-assassinates-Hamas-commander-in-Dubai.html

Is Israel trying to generate a reaction from Hamas to "justify" another assault on Gaza?

dlofnep

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Details Here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7103862/Israel-assassinates-Hamas-commander-in-Dubai.html

Is Israel trying to generate a reaction from Hamas to "justify" another assault on Gaza?

I'd say that's pretty much what they are trying to do. Or, trying to envoke a reaction - that will take the attention from the war-crime accusations.

kryogen

I honest to God hate Israel more each day, I really do

biggest state sponsored terrorist organisation in the world

Brown Bomber

I just hope Hamas don't respond, but I am sure they will. Makes me feel sick to think of more innocent people dying, and for what?

Anyone else notice the conveniently placed photo by the article?
To keep everything in context. Not to belittle what that man has been through himself.

Happy Monday

And this guy in Hamas - what peace moves was he involved in?
He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.

bonkey

This is not the Politics forum, nor an "express your hate for Israel" forum.

Lets keep this discussion relevant to a Conspiracy Theory forum.

DrumSteve

yes that's because hamas is a peaceful organisation that does not want the eradication of israel? lol fair play to israel. that do what they have to do to keep themselves safe.

Really though if they wanted to attack gaza they just would... although taking this guy out of the equation will definitly push a few buttons.

Brown Bomber

1. Israel created Hamas

2. In the days immediately after Hamas' 2006 democratic election Hamas leadership officially stated that they would denounce terrorism and welcome peace with Israel provided that Israel would return to the the 1967 borders i.e. a Palestenian state with a return of the illegaly annexed land.

Not unreasonable, no?

dlofnep

DrumSteve wrote: »

yes that's because hamas is a peaceful organisation that does not want the eradication of israel?

That's not the issue. Israel are provoking Hamas by murdering this man. If they want peace, this isn't the way to do it. All they want is to provoke Hamas to attack, so that they can justify killing more Palestinians.

DrumSteve wrote: »

lol fair play to israel. that do what they have to do to keep themselves safe.

It puts them in danger. It doesn't keep them safe.

DrumSteve wrote: »

Really though if they wanted to attack gaza they just would...

They did attack Gaza. I'm not sure if you got the memo. 100's of dead children and women.

Yitzhak Rabin

Brown Bomber wrote: »

1. Israel created Hamas

Evidence?

2. In the days immediately after Hamas' 2006 democratic election Hamas leadership officially stated that they would denounce terrorism and welcome peace with Israel provided that Israel would return to the the 1967 borders i.e. a Palestenian state with a return of the illegaly annexed land.

Not unreasonable, no?

Hamas has refused to ever recognise Israels right to exist.

Their charter says;

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it...

...There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

In the days following their election all I seem to remember is them going on a killing rampage against their more moderate rivals Fatah, doing such nice things as "one Fatah member was sliced into steaks that were sent to his family"

As for operation cast lead? Hamas refused to renew the 6-month truce(a six months which they specified, not Israel and which they had been breaking throughout the six months anyway) on December 18. Instead they increased the level of rocket and mortar attacks dramatically. Hamas, knew what would happen.



I honestly feel really sorry for the people of palestine. It is not their fault that they have suffered so much, it is Hamas' fault.

I'm not going to defend any war crimes which Israel has committed, but just because Hamas happen to be underdogs in the conflict does not excuse them. There is a severe double standard applied to Israel. Hamas intentially targets civilians. Israel at least tries to reduce civilian casulties, which is impossible in the Gaza strip.

Apologies mods for not discussing the CT, but I don't see one

Brown Bomber

You do know that what your graph shows is that Hamas kept to the cease-fire despite being under siege. The truce began in June and by July it was down to 1 from an avg of around 2oo per month. Incidentally, those rockets that were fired were fired by Islamic Jihad and not Hamas.

Interestingly, Islamic Jihad was the name also given to the fake CIA/Al-Qaeda/Mossad cell in Yemen.

Yitzhak Rabin

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You do know that what your graph shows is that Hamas kept to the cease-fire despite being under siege. The truce began in June and by July it was down to 1 from an avg of around 2oo per month. Incidentally, those rockets that were fired were fired by Islamic Jihad and not Hamas.

The border was left open until Hamas began to up their smuggling of weapons, specifically the GRAD ones.

They did not keep the ceasefire. It clearly shows they broke it by Nov. What would you have done if you were in the Israeli position and a neighbouring state was sending rockets and mortars across your border?

Interestingly, Islamic Jihad was the name also given to the fake CIA/Al-Qaeda/Mossad cell in Yemen.

Link me up. I don't know what this is?

Also you never addressed the fact that Hamas are a terrorist organisation, who say in their own charter that they want to destroy Israel and have no interest in negotiations. Or presented any evidence that Israel created Hamas.

dlofnep

yekahs wrote: »

I honestly feel really sorry for the people of palestine. It is not their fault that they have suffered so much, it is Hamas' fault.

You're going to have to explain to me how Hamas has anything to do with Israel's illegal occupation of palestinian land, developments of illegal settlements, and illegal evictions of Palestinian people.

Palestinians suffer because Israel makes them suffer.

Brown Bomber

yekahs wrote: »

Evidence?

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2006/01/27/hamas-son-of-israel/

yekahs wrote: »

Hamas has refused to ever recognise Israels right to exist.

Why in the world should Palestine recognise Israels right to exist when Israel doesn't even recognise the Palestinians as human beings? Why does it matter politically at all?

yekahs wrote: »

Hamas Charter

The Hamas Charter was an obscure document dug up by an Israeli translator. Probably was written by the Israelis themselves considering they founded Hamas. In any case it is not an active document and has not been made into law.

This is from the Likud Partie's platform.

The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities [i.e. settlements in Judea and Samaria] and will prevent their uprooting. (...)

The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.

The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs.

And from their charter

Preserving the right of the Jewish Nation to the Land of Israel as an eternal, inalienable right; perseverance in the settlement and development of all parts of the Land of Israel; implementation of the State's sovereignty on them.

In the days following their election all I seem to remember is them going on a killing rampage against their more moderate rivals Fatah, doing such nice things as "one Fatah member was sliced into steaks that were sent to his family"

yekahs wrote: »

As for operation cast lead? Hamas refused to renew the 6-month truce(a six months which they specified, not Israel and which they had been breaking throughout the six months anyway) on December 18. Instead they increased the level of rocket and mortar attacks dramatically. Hamas, knew what would happen.

I'm afraid your incorrect on this. It has been clearly established that Hamas were respecting the ceasefire which Israel a. undermined through the blockades and b. breached by killing 6 Hamas members in the beginning of November.

Which is why I feared this might be Castlead II.

yekahs wrote: »

I honestly feel really sorry for the people of palestine. It is not their fault that they have suffered so much, it is Hamas' fault.

The occupation and the suffering pre-dates Hamas by many years.

yekahs wrote: »

I'm not going to defend any war crimes which Israel has committed, but just because Hamas happen to be underdogs in the conflict does not excuse them. There is a severe double standard applied to Israel. Hamas intentially targets civilians. Israel at least tries to reduce civilian casulties, which is impossible in the Gaza strip.

This is the first link I found and its pretty disturbing, so watch at your own risk.

IDF shooting peaceful, unarmed, civilians. CaUTION-GRAPHIC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSNnyAGSGPc

Brown Bomber

yekahs wrote: »

They did not keep the ceasefire. It clearly shows they broke it by Nov. What would you have done if you were in the Israeli position and a neighbouring state was sending rockets and mortars across your border?

Yes but only after the IDF assasinated IDF members

yekahs wrote: »

Link me up. I don't know what this is?

Islamic Jihad from Gaza http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Islamic_Jihad

An unconnected Islamic Jihad with links to Al-Qaeda takes responsibility for the bombing of the US embassy in Yemen.

"We, the Organisation of Islamic Jihad, belonging to the Al-Qaeda network, repeat our demand of (Yemeni President) Ali Abdullah Saleh to free our detained brothers within 48 hours," said a statement signed by self-proclaimed leader Abu Ghaith al-Yamani.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hRj2BjuFnlJEt4Qa7XoMBU4NHtDQ

Thereby associating Palesting with Al-Qaeda and terrorist attacks on the US.

Turned out the terrorist group had alleged links to Israel.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7656807.stm

bonkey

OK - apparently my warning went unheeded.

Just because Israel and Hamas were mentioned in the topic does not make this a free-for-all discussion about any and all aspects of these two entities.

If you guys want to discuss that type of stuff, head over to Politics.

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