Byrnes' employee warned off

Colonel Sanders

From irishracing.com

Spot the odd one out here? Small player laying those out for a run then lays Solwhit to lose nearly 9k at Fairyhouse. Join the f*cking dots, who was using his account or who was he laying for?

That Fairyhouse race stank to high heaven at the time and this brings the stench back up. Drifted like a barge and was well back turning for home. The horse is owned by a Wexford based syndicate and a few people I know were pretty confident he wasn't off that day (I was rubbing my hands with glee waiting to punt him off the face of the earth in the Pierse off 127 I think he was rated)

I remember at the time a few people were saying Byrnes had a go at Tom Doyle after the race and the comments on the Betfair forum seem to confirm this

Colonel Sanders

Just noticed the last lay listed was solwhit when he lost at 1/3 at Thurles

I won't comment on my thoughts and those of others when this race was run as I don't want the thread locked

Nulty

I love Solwhit even more now. Hit the prick for 8.5k in one go. Nice:p

Morgans

I watched the Fairyhouse win of Solwhit in the fog and given Byrnes instructions, Doyle maybe rode a horse that wasnt off one of the worst rides ever. In fog, in a competitve handicap, he was third last turning in (disregard Des's commentary he was looking at the wrong horse) and yet he still couldnt bury him. Zoomed home. THe scenes in the unsaddling enclousure needed to be seen to be believed.

Whyno

Morgans wrote: »

I watched the Fairyhouse win of Solwhit in the fog and given Byrnes instructions, Doyle maybe rode a horse that wasnt off one of the worst rides ever. In fog, in a competitve handicap, he was third last turning in (disregard Des's commentary he was looking at the wrong horse) and yet he still couldnt bury him. Zoomed home. THe scenes in the unsaddling enclousure needed to be seen to be believed.

I could imagine. VEry funny.Something similar to pitoni`s debut sucess this year. The winners enclosure was like a morgue :D:D

eire750

tom doyle hasn't rode for the yard since! that says it all

Colonel Sanders

Garry O'Brien with his 2 cents

Good article

Whyno

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Garry O'Brien with his 2 cents

Good article

No punches pulled in that one.Great article

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Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Garry O'Brien with his 2 cents

Interestinig article. Says enough without saying too much.

UrbanSea

Whyno wrote: »

I could imagine. VEry funny.Something similar to pitoni`s debut sucess this year. The winners enclosure was like a morgue :D:D

I was absolutely astounded with this race. How can <snip> so little been done about it

Colonel Sanders

Laetitia v Alpha Royale back a few years ago. As bad as it gets

UrbanSea

Is this a national hunt flat your referring to?

Whyno

greetings wrote: »

Is this a national hunt flat your referring to?

Nope that was a novice chase. Still makes me sick to think bout it :mad:

UrbanSea

Are you sure? I just watched a bumper between the pair.
If ever a jockey was told not to win then it was the second.
Disgraceful,if he had even nudged the horse he would have won it clear

cson

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Laetitia v Alpha Royale back a few years ago. As bad as it gets

From irishracing.com's observations;
Laetitia - towards rear, progress in 7th over 4f out, went 2nd early straight, challenged travelling well from 2f out, tenderly handled and swished tail inside final furlong

A lot of horses for certain trainers get 'tenderly handled' it would appear.

UrbanSea

Well if this boy handled any more tenderly you would swear it was made of porceline.
If you are a member of attheraces.co.uk watch the free replay
It is actually shocking
If you arent a member,join,it is actually worth it

Colonel Sanders

greetings wrote: »

If you arent a member,join,it is actually worth it

Free to register too

It was a bumper alright

Colonel Sanders

From RTE sport:

At Cork meanwhile, there was plenty of controversy in division one of the bumper with a Charles Byrnes one-two over-shadowed by what was generally accepted to be a disgraceful riding performance on the runner-up, Laetitia. The race was won by Byrnes' Alpha Royale under a strong ride from Martin Ferris while the ride of the second placed Laetitia could be described as nothing but awful.

Jockey Michael Purcell sat motionless on Laetitia for much of the home straight and although the rider's second crack of the whip inside the final furlong did connect, the rider appeared to pull his mount back close home, allowing Alpha Royale to win by a length. As the runners crossed the line, boos were audible in the stands while the inevitable stewards' enquiry and suspension which was due to follow, was scheduled to take place after

:eek:

UrbanSea

Did you notice the tote payout on those two by the way? 15 euro on the 7/1 winner and wait for it....for a place on the 2nd at 14/1 it paid 21 euro

Whyno

greetings wrote: »

Are you sure? I just watched a bumper between the pair.
If ever a jockey was told not to win then it was the second.
Disgraceful,if he had even nudged the horse he would have won it clear

cson wrote: »

From irishracing.com's observations;
Laetitia - towards rear, progress in 7th over 4f out, went 2nd early straight, challenged travelling well from 2f out, tenderly handled and swished tail inside final furlong

A lot of horses for certain trainers get 'tenderly handled' it would appear.

greetings wrote: »

Well if this boy handled any more tenderly you would swear it was made of porceline.
If you are a member of attheraces.co.uk watch the free replay
It is actually shocking
If you arent a member,join,it is actually worth it

Jasus i`m to tired tonight...Yeah it was a bumper...doh :rolleyes:
I remember the race well and its accessible on atr.

old boy

cson wrote: »

From irishracing.com's observations;
Laetitia - towards rear, progress in 7th over 4f out, went 2nd early straight, challenged travelling well from 2f out, tenderly handled and swished tail inside final furlong

is their not a valid reason for a racehorse swishing its tail.

cson

Let me guess though, it was the jockey that got the suspension? :rolleyes:

This is only my opinion but it amazes me that one could seek to prick around with as good as horse as Solwhit - that race in Thurles. I wouldn't give Byrnes a 3 legged goat to train.

UrbanSea

cson wrote: »

Let me guess though, it was the jockey that got the suspension? :rolleyes:

This is only my opinion but it amazes me that one could seek to prick around with as good as horse as Solwhit - that race in Thurles. I wouldn't give Byrnes a 3 legged goat to train.

How can someone who is clearly ripping off the punters be let train horses?
I will never forget standing in boylesports looking at the pitoni race. I had decided to back him but changed my mind and i was delighted to see him about 30 lengths back been ridden along with abot 2 and a half left.
I think the whole shop gasped when it got up

Colonel Sanders

cson wrote: »

I wouldn't give Byrnes a 3 legged goat to train.

I think he's a very good trainer but is as 'tricky' as they come (wasn't sure which wording to use)

At least he usually trains good horses the way they should be trained. Give Tony Martin horses like Solwhit and Weapons Amnesty and he'd end up pricking about with them for 2 years trying to win handicaps. Xenophon being an example, both over hurdles (won two big pots in 2003 but most experts thought he was more than good enough for graded races) and then when he went chasing (tragically killed in the Irish National)

UrbanSea

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

I think he's a very good trainer but is as 'tricky' as they come (wasn't sure which wording to use)
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May be good for you if you are an owner,but how can people make money when he arguably has his hand in the result of the races so blatantly

cson

I wouldn't give him anything to train not because of his ability but because I couldn't trust him. I have utter contempt for races like Pittoni's, Alpha Royale, Solwhit etc etc. Any horses that come into my ownership will go to John Kiely if he'll have them. :pac:

Colonel Sanders

There were a few stories about him putting owners away re. their horses

Rockstown Boy in a maiden at Leopardstown before he won at Galway being one of the worst. Blatantly strangled after the syndicate who owned the horse had been told to back him heavily. I remember a few threads on the betfair forum about this. I used to have them in my e-mail account. I'll see can I dig them out

Morgans

greetings wrote: »

How can someone who is clearly ripping off the punters be let train horses?
I will never forget standing in boylesports looking at the pitoni race. I had decided to back him but changed my mind and i was delighted to see him about 30 lengths back been ridden along with abot 2 and a half left.
I think the whole shop gasped when it got up

How were the backers of Pittoni ripped off by the way? In fact, the fact that Pittoni won when they jockey wasn't trying made me have a sneaky ew on him for the triumph. Clearly Byrnes knew he was good. I still would be afraid of him "losing form" over the next few months and suddenly appearing in the Pierse/MCR off a decent weight. Its the same with Alpha Royale. More punters would have won on the gambled on horse than the outsider, Laetitia. Maybe all the punters should return their winnings. It was a shocking way to throw a race. Its why all the best jockeys are wanted when a decent stroke is being pulled.

I'm afraid I believe that the only person that the trainer has to answer to is the owner. If the owner isnt happy with the trainer's antics, he/she can move to another trainer. Nicky Henderson was banned after a horse he trained was found to have an illegal substance in her bloodstream. Not much condemnation of the man in the press. Maybe it was the owner's (The Queen) idea. I'm afraid trainers trying to gaining a little advantage is endemic in the sport.

UrbanSea

He escaped a fine for merely saying that he was unsatisfied with the ride?
Well now.
It may have looked a tad obvious if he congratulated the young man on lining his pocket by losing on the better horse

UrbanSea

Morgans wrote: »

How were the backers of Pittoni ripped off by the way? In fact, the fact that Pittoni won when they jockey wasn't trying made me have a sneaky ew on him for the triumph. Clearly Byrnes knew he was good. I still would be afraid of him "losing form" over the next few months and suddenly appearing in the Pierse/MCR off a decent weight. Its the same with Alpha Royale. More punters would have won on the gambled on horse than the outsider, Laetitia. Maybe all the punters should return their winnings. It was a shocking way to throw a race. Its why all the best jockeys are wanted when a decent stroke is being pulled.

I'm afraid I believe that the only person that the trainer has to answer to is the owner. If the owner isnt happy with the trainer's antics, he/she can move to another trainer. Nicky Henderson was banned after a horse he trained was found to have an illegal substance in her bloodstream. Not much condemnation of the man in the press. Maybe it was the owner's (The Queen) idea. I'm afraid trainers trying to gaining a little advantage is endemic in the sport.

Sorry I didnt mean to say the backers of pitoni were ripped off.
It was attempted though. The look on his face said it all. He didnt want the horse to win.
He didnt care if anyone had backed it.
I'd say he wanted a nice high price for another day. I would imagine he was sick to his stomach seeing him go 1/2 and 4/6 for his last two

Morgans

greetings wrote: »

Sorry I didnt mean to say the backers of pitoni were ripped off.
It was attempted though. The look on his face said it all. He didnt want the horse to win.
He didnt care if anyone had backed it.
I'd say he wanted a nice high price for another day. I would imagine he was sick to his stomach seeing him go 1/2 and 4/6 for his last two

Yeah. Still backed it off the boards the second time. I think it was 10/11 it opened at. Its definitely an abuse of the sport that should be sorted out, but some of the greatest cheaters are held as examples by the media - the esteem Prescott is held in is disgusts me. But if Pittoni did lose, I'd guess as many punters would have won on the Hennessey trained winner. Those who backed Pittoni would have every right to be pissed off had he lost. Reading the market is a prerequisite when fancying horses trained by gangsters. You can nearly always tell if they are trying or not.

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