Best battery for an Ares scar-l

Daz1214

i recently got an ares scar-l and when i tried to fit an asg 9.6v mini into the stock it wouldnt fit. I found the asg 8.4v mini fit no problem but im wondering does anyone know if any of the 9.6v batteries out there would fit?

Firekitten

Daz-R.A.T.S wrote: »

i recently got an ares scar-l and when i tried to fit an asg 9.6v mini into the stock it wouldnt fit. I found the asg 8.4v mini fit no problem but im wondering does anyone know if any of the 9.6v batteries out there would fit?

Well you dont really need the 9.6 in there.... Run with 8.4s. A good numver of guns wont fit 9.6v batteries, due to the number of cells that are in one... they just wont, and no brands are different Although you could try a cranestock style one, or a nunchuck inside the battery space as the arangement may permit fitting. Whats the fuss really? 5rps differnce? Run on 8.4s and upgrade the motor if you care that much.

Lemming

If the Ares Scar stock is anything like the VFC one (likely), there really isn't room for anything larger than an 8.4 mini in there. Assuming you don't want to go pulling stocks apart, you can get 7.2v lipos that are dimensionally similar to the 8.4 mini and thus will fit and give you something akin to 9.6v but you'll need to go looking for them and checking measurements before you order.

Edit: Oh, and before you go running off to an airsoft shop, don't buy your average 7.2v ASG branded LIPO batteries. Nothign wrong with them, they just wont fit. You need to go hunting for smaller ones.

Masada

You can get a 9.6 mini in there, a little tight but it will go in, as will asg 7.4v lipos with loads of room.,

Lemming

Masada wrote: »

You can get a 9.6 mini in there, a little tight but it will go in, as will asg 7.4v lipos with loads of room.,

The ASG 7.2v lipos are too wide. There's more room (width-wise) to fit a battery inside my Sten, never mind my Scar, and it wont take them so good luck with that. Unless there's smaller-width ASG LIPOs than the 'standard' size ones of course.

A 9.6v mini might if it's marginally larger than an 8.4v mini, but see my comment about smaller dimension 7.2v LIPO batteries.

Daz1214

thanks for the replies folks..ive been happy with the ROF with the 8.4v but just wanted to see the other options..i wouldnt use lipo, not comfortable with them

Firekitten

The 9.6 is too big lengthways to fit really... though i'd not want to shove it in and damage the wriing on the end which is easy when forcing things to fit.

Lemming

Daz-R.A.T.S wrote: »

thanks for the replies folks..ive been happy with the ROF with the 8.4v but just wanted to see the other options..i wouldnt use lipo, not comfortable with them

LIPOs are fine, just need a little common sense with them and they'll be fine. Been using a small 7.2v one in my Sten since I got it and it's had dogs abuse and still cooking (god I hope not ... ) fine.

Got a couple of other larger 7.2v LIPOs as well and they're fine. You just hear about the horror stories and none of the success stories I guess.

Masada

Lemming wrote: »

The ASG 7.2v lipos are too wide. There's more room (width-wise) to fit a battery inside my Sten, never mind my Scar, and it wont take them so good luck with that. Unless there's smaller-width ASG LIPOs than the 'standard' size ones of course.

A 9.6v mini might if it's marginally larger than an 8.4v mini, but see my comment about smaller dimension 7.2v LIPO batteries.

Its not a VFC star (which will also take a 9.6 mini coincidentally.) Its an ares, and i ran mine on nothing other than 9.6 mini's.,
and this is the ASG lipo's most shops are selling, they work too.

Firekitten

erm, wrong mate....

that lipo you posted there, i have on my desk.

It Doesn't fit in the vfc stock, and neither does a 9.6... at all...

The ares ones ive seen are identical internally (sizewise)

Daz1214

i know some people are happy using lipo's but they dont appeal to me...i'll continue to use the 8.4's till i do some research on lipo's

Masada

{here we go again mode}


will i take a photo? maybe a video of it right now? i have a VFC beside me?

Firekitten

So do we



You didnt learn much assuming last time did you?

Lemming

Masada wrote: »

{here we go again mode}


will i take a photo? maybe a video of it right now? i have a VFC beside me?

What? Like this one?



What you cannot see in the above (for those who don't own a SCAR) is the loading tray. There is very very little room around the battery, even for the cabling.

Now, I will happily conceed that the Ares may have more space. If it does there ye go. If it doesn't, see the above. I had an ASG 7.2 but it's currently sitting in FK's bedroom so alas I can't go get a picture. Of course all this abiout fitting LIPO batteries is academic since the OP has said he's not interested in LIPO batteries.

Masada

Firekitten wrote: »

erm, wrong mate....

that lipo you posted there, i have on my desk.

It Doesn't fit in the vfc stock, and neither does a 9.6... at all...

The ares ones ive seen are identical internally (sizewise)

Orly,

Lemming wrote: »

What? Like this one?

No, Like this...
High res:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2754/4310447684_12077d05c4_b.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2794/4309711491_c5ae338ac9_b.jpg


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4309713633_69f595dfa5_b.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2762/4309712697_d0a7d5f57d_b.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2775/4310452254_8925bff5d7_b.jpg



See, ya like to disagree and argue just for the hell of it, even when you know your wrong. i dunno, i kinda find that sad. oh well, onwards and upwards.


PS: to the OP, i own both the VFC and Ares/Star (and the dboys too but thats a cheapo) so you can take what you will from that. I personally always prefered it over the VFC and ran it on 9.6 all the time. the field striping proceedure is really cool and i love the EGLM, (which is on the VFC at the moment as you can see from the pics.)
Best of luck with it.,:)

Firekitten

Masada wrote: »

Orly,



No, Like this...
High res:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2754/4310447684_12077d05c4_b.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2794/4309711491_c5ae338ac9_b.jpg


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4309713633_69f595dfa5_b.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2762/4309712697_d0a7d5f57d_b.jpg


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2775/4310452254_8925bff5d7_b.jpg



See, ya like to disagree and argue just for the hell of it, even when you know your wrong. i dunno, i kinda find that sad. oh well, onwards and upwards.


PS: to the OP, i own both the VFC and Ares/Star (and the dboys too but thats a cheapo) so you can take what you will from that. I personally always prefered it over the VFC and ran it on 9.6 all the time. the field striping proceedure is really cool and i love the EGLM, (which is on the VFC at the moment as you can see from the pics.)
Best of luck with it.,:)

Crossed wires there Masada, , Though thats still not IN the stock... theres not that much space at that end...


As for arguing? mate, you're the one thats been going around the last couple of days arguing agaisnt anything I say.... pot kettle black much?

Lemming

Masada wrote: »

See, ya like to disagree and argue just for the hell of it, even when you know your wrong. i dunno, i kinda find that sad. oh well, onwards and upwards.

Errr ... that is a mini. 9.6v minis perhaps, but a mini type battery. They are not 7.2v LI-POs, so make up your mind what you're talking about.

Further, I never said mini type batteries wouldn't fit. I have not been talking about fitting either 8.4v batteries or 9.6v batteries. I have been talking about fitting 8.4v mini type batteries, and already pointed out that 9.6v mini type batteries might do the job as well if they were the same size as the 8.4v mini type batteries.

So take your snide remark and jog on.

Firekitten

Lemming wrote: »

Errr ... that is a mini. 9.6v minis perhaps, but a mini type battery. They are not 7.2v LI-POs, so make up your mind what you're talking about.

Further, I never said mini type batteries wouldn't fit. I have not been talking about fitting either 8.4v batteries or 9.6v batteries. I have been talking about fitting 8.4v mini type batteries, and already pointed out that 9.6v mini type batteries might do the job as well if they were the same size as the 8.4v mini type batteries.

So take your snide remark and jog on.

9.6 minis are not the same size, they are longer by a cell's width due to containing one more cell than the 8.4... thus being 9.6.... init.

Masada

Firekitten wrote: »

Crossed wires there Masada, , Though thats still not IN the stock... theres not that much space at that end...

There's actually more than an inch (possibly 2) from the top of the battery to the but of the stock. the Ares also doesn't have that fuse in the way either so its even easier. see here.

Lemming wrote: »

Errr ... that is a mini. 9.6v minis perhaps, but a mini type battery. They are not 7.2v LI-POs, so make up your mind what you're talking about.

Further, I never said mini type batteries wouldn't fit. I have not been talking about fitting either 8.4v batteries or 9.6v batteries. I have been talking about fitting 8.4v mini type batteries, and already pointed out that 9.6v mini type batteries might do the job as well if they were the same size as the 8.4v mini type batteries.

So take your snide remark and jog on.

Jeez that's desperation. since you took a pic of your own with a, wait for it... MINI!
The Lipo is thinner and even easier to get into this stock, I just dont have it here but I'm quite happy to post yet another photo of that for you tomorrow if you prefer?

I'm done with this convo now as i have given the OP the answer he wanted and it serves no more purpose other than to give you a pitch for which to play your games.

Firekitten

Masada wrote: »

I'm done with this convo now as i have given the OP the answer he wanted and it serves no more purpose other than to give you a pitch for which to play your games.

Its funny really... Because he actually said he had trouble getting it in the gun too... to the tune of... wouldnt fit.

as for playing games, you're the one on after points to score.

Daz1214

thanks again for the answers...richie, i have to pick a few bits up off tony over the next week or so, is it alright if i bring it into you and you can show me the best way to get the battery in without damaging the wiring?

Masada

Kewl man., no problem.,:)

Daz1214

Masada wrote: »

Kewl man., no problem.,:)

good man, thanks richie

Masada

Masada wrote: »

Its not a VFC star (which will also take a 9.6 mini coincidentally.) Its an ares, and i ran mine on nothing other than 9.6 mini's.,
and this is the ASG lipo's most shops are selling, they work too.

Firekitten wrote: »

erm, wrong mate....

that lipo you posted there, i have on my desk.

It Doesn't fit in the vfc stock, and neither does a 9.6... at all...

The ares ones ive seen are identical internally (sizewise)

Lemming wrote: »

Errr ... that is a mini. 9.6v minis perhaps, but a mini type battery. They are not 7.2v LI-POs, so make up your mind what you're talking about.

Further, I never said mini type batteries wouldn't fit. I have not been talking about fitting either 8.4v batteries or 9.6v batteries. I have been talking about fitting 8.4v mini type batteries, and already pointed out that 9.6v mini type batteries might do the job as well if they were the same size as the 8.4v mini type batteries.

So take your snide remark and jog on.

For future reference to the thread,
ASG "standard" Lipo Inside the stock, loads more room than with the 8.4 or 9.6 regularl batterys, Apologies with the late reply, Been a bit busy with custom builds all day.

Daz1214

thanks richie..would the gun have to be modified in any way to let it run comfortably on a lipo? What differences would the lipo make to the guns performance over an 8.4 or 9.6?

Leftyflip

A 7.4V lipo, should be the same as a 9.6V Nimh battery, you shouldn't need to change anything at all.

Masada

Nah you could run it on a 7.4 no probs. benefits are quicker charge times, usually longer lasting higher ROF than an equal voltage NIMh or similar., the 7.4v lipo will output very similar to a regular 9.6 but its a lot smaller and easier to get into tighter spaces.

Disadvantages are, the batteries can be volitile if not charged properly or run down completely. A quality charger will go a long way towards giving you a trouble free experience with them though, stay away from cheapo lipo chargers and be sure you have one that cuts off when it done etc etc., (the ASG one to go wit the above battery is decent)., you can get fire retardant bags to store lipos in too so if it does go it'll still be safe.

Leftyflip

Masada wrote: »

you can get fire retardant bags to store lipos in too so if it does go it'll still be safe.

Except for the smoke...

Masada

Safe, As in,

your not gonna come home and find your cat melted to the living room furniture.

Daz1214

thankfully dealing with fires is the day job :-)...i'll do a bit of research into lipo's and see then..what do you personally recommend richie, as i know you have the same gun? Also, have you done any mods to the gun or are there any you recommend doin?

Leftyflip

Masada wrote: »

Safe, As in,

your not gonna come home and find your cat melted to the living room furniture.

What's your cat made out of?
Mine doesn't melt...
I mean erm...
Ah sh*t...

Firekitten

Ok, ignore me then, Apears I was wrong... perhaps the one im trying to fit is wider... Sorry for misinformation guys.

o1s1n

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Just something to think about for those getting their knickers in a twist over extremely trivial matters.

Masada

Leftyflip wrote: »

What's your cat made out of?
Mine doesn't melt...
I mean erm...
Ah sh*t...

it was a little difficult to tell when I was pealing him off the recliner...

Masada

I personally would use regular batteries as you would really have to get yourself a couple of lipos and a decent charger, and deans connectors to get the worth put of the lipo., unlike most, the gun uses a microswitch trigger that has it's plus points but they don't take well to running on high output batterys without mosfets., regular batterys require no further effort as you are already using them.,:)


Apologies if this isn't very readable, I'm on me phone with no spell check.

Daz-R.A.T.S wrote: »

thankfully dealing with fires is the day job :-)...i'll do a bit of research into lipo's and see then..what do you personally recommend richie, as i know you have the same gun? Also, have you done any mods to the gun or are there any you recommend doin?

Daz1214

thanks again richie