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Realistically,how hard is it to get jobs as a teacher

  • 26-01-2010 7:00pm
    #1
    mexcioqueen
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    I am in a profession that I want to get out of and hope to soon follow my dream and become a national school teacher and I have been working hard in terms of brushing up my irish and getting involved in voluntary youth leader work in the community so that when I am ready to go for interviews etc I will be a strong candidate
    But this is the thing. My husband and I are stuck in a two bed apartment bought at the height of the boom with two kids. And we have another apartment, also not doing great at the moment.
    So we need money to save and get ourselves out of negative equity and get our family home.
    So how hard is it to get a job in teaching. I wont be applying till 2011 (probably with hibernian ) so at the very earliest I will be qualifed 2013.
    Are jobs now and will they be very very hard to get.? I wont necessarily need a permanent job straight away but I obviously do not want to spend our hard earned savings and find there is no work in teaching now or soon
    Many many thanks for youre help
    Are there any statistics out there on this


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  • #2
    Nead21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭Nead21


    well if you look at forums on www.educationposts.ie you'll see a huge amount of qualified teachers, both with and without experience who cant get work...either part-time or otherwise.

    the places for postgrad positions for teaching has been cut hugely cause there's basically no work.....so to answer your question, yes realistically it is really hard to get a job!


  • #3
    mexcioqueen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4 ✭mexcioqueen


    Thanks a million for that nead21. Just wondering is there anything that might reduce the extra supply in the next few years as I wouldnt anticipate qualifying till 2013 at the very earliest. There is huge baby boom at the moment so that might help. What caused the extra supply?was it increasing the pupil/teacher ratio. Isnt there a chance that that could be reduced again .
    Just hoping things might improve


  • #4
    yourmano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 116 ✭✭yourmano


    Honestly hate saying it but know loads who who the same idea. It's impossible. People left, right & centre in teaching losing jobs and hours. Not easy. Ask your local principals from a from the horse's mouth too.


  • #5
    jon1981
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭jon1981


    just curious, i hear there are a shortage of male teachers, would you stand a better chance as a male looking for a post?


  • #6
    Dionysus
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    Nead21 wrote: »
    the places for postgrad positions for teaching has been cut hugely cause there's basically no work

    I'm not sure if this is true at all, at least for secondary school teaching. UCD allowed 238 students into their PGDE for 2009-2010, the highest number ever. It is a (huge) money-making racket for these third level colleges so I can't imagine them being as noble as cutting back places, and thus their income, for the greater good.


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  • #7
    Toto Wolfcastle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,005 ✭✭✭✭Toto Wolfcastle


    Dionysus wrote: »
    I'm not sure if this is true at all, at least for secondary school teaching. UCD allowed 238 students into their PGDE for 2009-2010, the highest number ever. It is a (huge) money-making racket for these third level colleges so I can't imagine them being as noble as cutting back places, and thus their income, for the greater good.

    Yeah but the OP is looking at primary school and Mary I are only taking in 60 students this year. I'm sure Pats is the same. Not sure about anywhere else. At least some of the colleges are looking at the reality of the situation. It's far too much of a money maker for the universities for them to cut places. :mad:


  • #8
    jobless
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    jon1981 wrote: »
    just curious, i hear there are a shortage of male teachers, would you stand a better chance as a male looking for a post?

    would be interested in finding this out too


  • #9
    TheDriver
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    doesn't matter what sex you are to be honest, its still extremely difficult and not much at all out there.
    In fact most schools are leaving people go since the upped ratio. And Batt doesn't care.


  • #10
    dambarude
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    janeybabe wrote: »
    Yeah but the OP is looking at primary school and Mary I are only taking in 60 students this year. I'm sure Pats is the same. Not sure about anywhere else. At least some of the colleges are looking at the reality of the situation. It's far too much of a money maker for the universities for them to cut places. :mad:

    It's the DES that's cut the place numbers in Mary I and the other colleges, not the colleges themselves.


  • #11
    Toto Wolfcastle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,005 ✭✭✭✭Toto Wolfcastle


    dambarude wrote: »
    It's the DES that's cut the place numbers in Mary I and the other colleges, not the colleges themselves.

    You're right, I forgot that. :)


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  • #12
    dambarude
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    janeybabe wrote: »
    You're right, I forgot that. :)

    I'd say the colleges wouldn't have a notion of doing it themselves.

    Has there been any talk of the DES cutting the numbers doing the B.Ed I wonder?


  • #13
    #15
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    jon1981 wrote: »
    just curious, i hear there are a shortage of male teachers, would you stand a better chance as a male looking for a post?

    To be honest, yes.
    Its not a guarantee at all. But it does improve your chances.


  • #14
    implausible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,937 ✭✭✭implausible


    jon1981 wrote: »
    just curious, i hear there are a shortage of male teachers, would you stand a better chance as a male looking for a post?

    There is a lot of anecdotal evidence that at primary level, yes, men do have a better chance, especially if going for a job in a school with all-female staff. at secondary school level, however, there's no difference in employment chances.


  • #15
    Dionysus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


    dambarude wrote: »
    It's the DES that's cut the place numbers in Mary I and the other colleges, not the colleges themselves.

    Very, very interesting. And the obvious question: why didn't they similarly cut the place numbers in the universities like UCD, UCC, Maynooth, UCG and TCD for the second level PGDE (where, by all accounts, jobs are even harder to come by)?


  • #16
    dambarude
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    Dionysus wrote: »
    Very, very interesting. And the obvious question: why didn't they similarly cut the place numbers in the universities like UCD, UCC, Maynooth, UCG and TCD for the second level PGDE (where, by all accounts, jobs are even harder to come by)?

    Does the DES actually control the numbers in those courses? For the B.Ed and postgrad in primary teaching the DES sets the numbers, and also entry requirements like having a C3 in HL Gaeilge, and having to take a three week Gaeltacht course during the degree.


  • #17
    Dionysus
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    dambarude wrote: »
    It's the DES that's cut the place numbers in Mary I and the other colleges, not the colleges themselves.

    How come the DES is interfering in those colleges to limit places but not in Third Level colleges that are trying to get as many people as possible on their respective PGDE?
    dambarude wrote: »
    Does the DES actually control the numbers in those courses? For the B.Ed and postgrad in primary teaching the DES sets the numbers, and also entry requirements like having a C3 in HL Gaeilge, and having to take a three week Gaeltacht course during the degree.

    Why would it assert a right in one and not the other?


  • #18
    dambarude
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    Dionysus wrote: »
    How come the DES is interfering in those colleges to limit places but not in Third Level colleges that are trying to get as many people as possible on their respective PGDE?



    Why would it assert a right in one and not the other?

    The DES has always set the entry requirements for primary teaching degrees as far as I know, and it has always controlled the numbers. It is not 'interfering' really, just stating how many numbers it will run in the course this time round. Whether the course runs or not every year depends on the DES. The DES probably doesn't do the same with second level courses because it seems to have no input into them, aside from regulating them through the teaching council.


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