Probably the best 90 minutes you can spend..

El_Dangeroso

With your clothes on would be watching this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

It is long but it pretty much sums up the science of obesity, leptin and why calories in/calories out doesn't explain the full story.

He's not a low carb advocate as far as I know, but he sure doesn't like fructose!

cruizer101

Pretty long alright but a good watch.

He basically says fructose, which is added to many foods is way worse than the equivalent ammount of calories obtained from glucose.

Glucose will make you feel full, fructose won't.
Glucose can be stord easily as an energy source and then reused, fructose can't.

I think adding of it to foodstuffs may be more common in US but still something to watch out for here.

El_Dangeroso

Here's another great interview with Ron Krauss and Gary Taubes.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15886898

Stella777

cruizer101 wrote: »

Pretty long alright but a good watch.

He basically says fructose, which is added to many foods is way worse than the equivalent ammount of calories obtained from glucose.

Glucose will make you feel full, fructose won't.
Glucose can be stord easily as an energy source and then reused, fructose can't.

I think adding of it to foodstuffs may be more common in US but still something to watch out for here.

I'll try to watch it when I have more time, but when he says fructose does that include fruit, or is it just High Fructose Corn Syrup, which is in sodas and lots of processed foods?

El_Dangeroso

Stella777 wrote: »

I'll try to watch it when I have more time, but when he says fructose does that include fruit, or is it just High Fructose Corn Syrup, which is in sodas and lots of processed foods?

There is a tiny amount of fructose in fruit, you'd need to eat about 15 apples to get the same amount of fructose in one can of coke. Plus you get fibre and vitamins in fruit.

Ciaran500

Thanks for that, really surprising just how bad sugar is. Everyone with a typical western diet really needs to watch this.

Showed it to about 10 friends and they all found it interesting too, hopefully they'll make some lifestyle changes cause of it.

metamorphosis

Cheers for that. I actuaay watched 1hr27 min of it in a computer lab and had to be dragged off to a lecture. Really interesting stuf

When i did a study abraod stint in upstate new york, in the colleges dining halls i noticed too that everything had HFCS in it. All the bread, wraps and toasted muffins had it. Some cereals had it. The only thing that was safe that i knew of there was the salad bar and the since . Didnt touch the stuff which is probably ehy i lost a stone in weight while over there!

El_Dangeroso

ULstudent wrote: »

Cheers for that. I actuaay watched 1hr27 min of it in a computer lab and had to be dragged off to a lecture. Really interesting stuf

When i did a study abraod stint in upstate new york, in the colleges dining halls i noticed too that everything had HFCS in it. All the bread, wraps and toasted muffins had it. Some cereals had it. The only thing that was safe that i knew of there was the salad bar and the since . Didnt touch the stuff which is probably ehy i lost a stone in weight while over there!

When I was on hols in San Francisco I could only find one type of bread in a supermarket that didn't have HFCS added. I actually came across some butter that had it in it too, how crazy is that?

Plain table sugar is just as bad as HFCS too. HFCS is 55% fructose and sugar is 50% fructose, so pretty much both awful for your health and waistline.

Stella777

Temple_Grandin wrote: »

When I was on hols in San Francisco I could only find one type of bread in a supermarket that didn't have HFCS added. I actually came across some butter that had it in it too, how crazy is that?

Yup, it's in ketchup, salad dressing, most bottled sauces..I've even seen it in pickles which is just ridiculous.

If anyone is over here again, look for a supermarket called Whole Foods. It's not completely a health food store. More like heath food combined with gourmet. (they do have a lovely bakery, imported cheese department and a fancy chocolate department which makes me literally drool etc.)
But one of their pledges is that they sell absolutely nothing which contains HFCS or trans-fats.

Most major urban areas have them. Manhattan has 4 branchs, some of which are amazing, 3 floors including an eating area. It's actually a great alternative to expensive sitdown restaurants if you're visiting.

I do about 50% of my shopping there (it's kind of expensive.)
I think this country just produces too much damn corn, hence the HFCS in everthing.

El_Dangeroso

Stella777 wrote: »

I do about 50% of my shopping there (it's kind of expensive.)
I think this country just produces too much damn corn, hence the HFCS in everthing.

They subsidise corn farming heavily with government grants, making it a really cheap way to bulk out food. 'King Corn' is a great documentary on this if you ever come across it.

Macha

I'd also recommend reading any of Michael Pollan's books, especially "In Defence of Food" or "The Omnivore's Dilemma". Food Inc is a great movie about the industrialised food system in the US.

Sapsorrow

taconnol wrote: »

I'd also recommend reading any of Michael Pollan's books, especially "In Defence of Food" or "The Omnivore's Dilemma". Food Inc is a great movie about the industrialised food system in the US.

Agreed the omnivores dilemma is a great book, I found in defense of food a bit watered down though, a journalist writing a book on nutritional guidelines just didn't work for me. I thought it was too oversimplified and you could really tell he had no background in nutritional science, but maybe it just didn't suit my tastes. Ended up getting bored of it 2/3 through and giving up.
I still haven't managed to see Food Inc must try watch it in college some time on a proper internet connection I keep hearing great things about it!

Macha

khrystyna100 wrote: »

I found in defense of food a bit watered down though, a journalist writing a book on nutritional guidelines just didn't work for me. I thought it was too oversimplified and you could really tell he had no background in nutritional science, but maybe it just didn't suit my tastes. Ended up getting bored of it 2/3 through and giving up.

Oh sure but he's aiming it at the general masses who don't know that much about nutrition. I'd be surprised if you didn't find it boring! I did like his explanation of where our phobia of fat & saturated fat came from.

khrystyna100 wrote: »

I still haven't managed to see Food Inc must try watch it in college some time on a proper internet connection I keep hearing great things about it!

Well it's a lot like fast food nation and to my mind is like a film version of 'Omnivore's Dilemma'.

Sapsorrow

Yay just got to watch that after nearly 5 hrs of downloading :rolleyes: thanks Temple! Man I won't be reaching for the sunny D next time I've got a killer hangover thats for sure.
Great revision for my metabolic pathways exam, it's mad though out of all the carbohydrate metabolism we did we just skimmed over fructose like it was completely unimportant, definately gonna bring it up with the lecturer next time we're doing that stuff. You have to wonder just how aware the medical and scientific community are of this research, so many still seem stuck in the sat fat-CVD mindest or do they just prefer to ignore the facts against all logic.

El_Dangeroso

Popular scientific consensus has a larger turning circle than an oil tanker. If you think about it, the idea that fat caused obesity and CVD actually took about 30 years to be put into daily practice, however misguided it turned out to be.;)

What is needed is a 'critical mass' of researchers that start pointing their research in the right direction. At a very high level of research, this is just starting to happen at the moment, I reckon it'll be another twenty years before government recommendations catch up. Depressing but that's the way she goes.:)

Sapsorrow

So depressing when you consider how many people have suffered already and how many more will in the future, its a tragedy. Keyes had a lot to answer for, I wonder if he ever knew or if he just had the blinkers on from listening to himself speak all the time.

El_Dangeroso

khrystyna100 wrote: »

So depressing when you consider how many people have suffered already and how many more will in the future, its a tragedy. Keyes had a lot to answer for, I wonder if he ever knew or if he just had the blinkers on from listening to himself speak all the time.

Keyes did a lot of valuable research with calorie reduction and it's effects too. The minnesota experiment alone is such an important study, the first to discover that when people yoyo diet, they gain it back plus more.

But yeah, he had access to data from 22 countries and cherry picked the 7 that suited him, so in my eyes he's a crook.

Here's a funny cartoon on that from the movie 'Fat Head' on how it all happened (anti-grain propaganda is incidental and just at the beginning I promise! skip to 0:38 to go straight to the Ancel Keyes bit)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4

Sapsorrow

Ha I loved that intro and the whole situation pretty much is that big a joke (albeit a very unfunny one really)!
I can't believe he cherry picked the stats like that for his regression analysis omg what a con artist!

metamorphosis

http://www.webmd.com/heart/metabolic-syndrome/news/20090421/fresh-take-on-fructose-vs-glucose

A read basically already re iterating what was said. Just thought i would post anyway.

Tristram

I love coke. Watching this made me sad