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2 Airplane Crashes

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  • #2
    Su Campu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    Here are the METARs for the last 18hrs at OLBA. Around the time of the crash (0030Z) there was a thunderstorm in the vicinity, though the actual conditions on the ground were fairly benign. Still, if they flew into that TS then it was asking for trouble.

    OLBA 251200Z 31010KT 9999 FEW020CB SCT023 BKN080 14/03 Q1017 NOSIG
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 251100Z 32013KT 8000 FEW020CB BKN026 14/06 Q1016 NOSIG
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 251000Z 31013KT 8000 FEW026 BKN030 14/07 Q1016 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250948Z 31013KT 8000 FEW026 BKN030 13/07 Q1016 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250900Z 31012KT 270V330 8000 FEW018CB BKN026 13/07 Q1016 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250800Z 29018KT 9999 FEW020CB BKN026 14/06 Q1015 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250705Z 28016KT 250V310 7000 TS FEW020CB BKN026 12/07 Q1015 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250700Z 24013KT 200V280 7000 -RA FEW020CB BKN026 12/06 Q1015 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250600Z 26006KT 230V300 8000 FEW020CB BKN026 12/07 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250500Z 13006KT 080V170 2000 TSSHRA FEW020CB BKN026 10/07 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250400Z 14006KT 8000 VCTS FEW020CB BKN026 10/07 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250300Z 06004KT 030V090 5000 VCTS RA FEW020CB BKN026 10/06 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250200Z 12006KT 8000 VCTS FEW020CB BKN026 11/06 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250100Z VRB03KT 4000 SHRA FEW020CB BKN026 12/07 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250000Z 31008KT 280V340 8000 VCTS FEW020CB SCT026 13/06 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 242300Z 32011KT 300V360 8000 FEW020CB SCT026 14/07 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 242200Z 32016KT 7000 FEW020CB SCT026 FEW070 14/07 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 242100Z 32013KT 5000 TSGR FEW020CB BKN026 13/08 Q1013 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 242030Z 28009KT 8000 TS FEW020CB BKN026 14/08 Q1013 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 242000Z 30012KT 8000 FEW020CB SCT026 14/08 Q1013 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 241900Z 29013KT 7000 FEW020CB BKN026 13/09 Q1013 NOSIG[/FONT][/FONT]


  • #3
    Original Steyr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Original Steyr


    deromalley wrote: »
    The 157 passengers aboard a Russian-made Tupolev aircraft miraculously escaped death when it crash-landed and burst into flames in north-eastern Iran yesterday
    http://www.independent.ie/world-news/157-passengers-cheat-death-as-plane-bursts-into-flames-2030187.html


    Already posted by me in Aviation News Section, thanks anyway :)


  • #4
    N7777G
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭N7777G


    The Ethiopian B737 that crashed yesterday was originally EI-CSW of Ryanair. It was delivered in 2002 and only moved to Ethiopian last summer.

    photo of EI-CSW in better times ...

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/eigjb/4304695343/


  • #5
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    N7777G wrote: »
    The Ethiopian B737 that crashed yesterday was originally EI-CSW of Ryanair. It was delivered in 2002 and only moved to Ethiopian last summer.

    photo of EI-CSW in better times ...

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/eigjb/4304695343/

    wow surprised that this is not more common knowledge...


  • #6
    Reginald P. DuM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭Reginald P. DuM


    Su Campu wrote: »
    Here are the METARs for the last 18hrs at OLBA. Around the time of the crash (0030Z) there was a thunderstorm in the vicinity, though the actual conditions on the ground were fairly benign. Still, if they flew into that TS then it was asking for trouble.

    OLBA 251200Z 31010KT 9999 FEW020CB SCT023 BKN080 14/03 Q1017 NOSIG
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 251100Z 32013KT 8000 FEW020CB BKN026 14/06 Q1016 NOSIG
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 251000Z 31013KT 8000 FEW026 BKN030 14/07 Q1016 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250948Z 31013KT 8000 FEW026 BKN030 13/07 Q1016 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250900Z 31012KT 270V330 8000 FEW018CB BKN026 13/07 Q1016 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250800Z 29018KT 9999 FEW020CB BKN026 14/06 Q1015 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250705Z 28016KT 250V310 7000 TS FEW020CB BKN026 12/07 Q1015 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250700Z 24013KT 200V280 7000 -RA FEW020CB BKN026 12/06 Q1015 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250600Z 26006KT 230V300 8000 FEW020CB BKN026 12/07 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250500Z 13006KT 080V170 2000 TSSHRA FEW020CB BKN026 10/07 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250400Z 14006KT 8000 VCTS FEW020CB BKN026 10/07 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250300Z 06004KT 030V090 5000 VCTS RA FEW020CB BKN026 10/06 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250200Z 12006KT 8000 VCTS FEW020CB BKN026 11/06 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250100Z VRB03KT 4000 SHRA FEW020CB BKN026 12/07 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 250000Z 31008KT 280V340 8000 VCTS FEW020CB SCT026 13/06 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 242300Z 32011KT 300V360 8000 FEW020CB SCT026 14/07 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 242200Z 32016KT 7000 FEW020CB SCT026 FEW070 14/07 Q1014 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 242100Z 32013KT 5000 TSGR FEW020CB BKN026 13/08 Q1013 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 242030Z 28009KT 8000 TS FEW020CB BKN026 14/08 Q1013 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 242000Z 30012KT 8000 FEW020CB SCT026 14/08 Q1013 NOSIG[/FONT]
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]OLBA 241900Z 29013KT 7000 FEW020CB BKN026 13/09 Q1013 NOSIG[/FONT][/FONT]

    This is all greek to me, could someone please explain it in laymans terms. Would this ex-Ryanair not be designed to take lightening hits? Or is it too early to assume that this is what took it out of the sky?


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  • #7
    Original Steyr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Original Steyr


    Apparently it was pilot error.


  • #8
    Su Campu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    Reginald P. DuM wrote: »
    This is all greek to me, could someone please explain it in laymans terms. Would this ex-Ryanair not be designed to take lightening hits? Or is it too early to assume that this is what took it out of the sky?

    The problem with flying into thunderstorms or Cbs is not necessarily lightning strikes, rather the turbulence within the cloud. Updrafts can reach up to 100mph within a severe thunderstorm, enough to tear any aircraft apart. That's why pilots should always avoid them.

    Here's what the METARs mean...(in blue).

    0000GMT (30 mins before crash)
    OLBA 250000Z 31008KT 280V340 8000 VCTS FEW020CB SCT026 13/06 Q1014 NOSIG
    Wind northwesterly, 8 knots. Visibility 8000m. Thunderstorm in the vicinity. 1-2 Oktas of Cumulonimbus clouds with bases at 2000ft. 5-7 oktas of cloud with bases at 2,600ft. Temp 13°C, Dewpoint 6°C

    0100GMT (30 mins aftr crash)
    OLBA 250100Z VRB03KT 4000 SHRA FEW020CB BKN026 12/07 Q1014 NOSIG
    Wind Variable Direction, 3 knots. Visibility 4000m. Rain shower in the vicinity. 1-2 Oktas of Cumulonimbus clouds with bases at 2000ft. 5-7 oktas of cloud with bases at 2,600ft. Temp 12°C, Dewpoint 7°C


    Regarding pilot error - if they did fly into a thunderstowm, then yes, they made an error. But we don't know what happened yet so no point speculating.


  • #9
    Original Steyr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Original Steyr


    Su Campu wrote: »


    Regarding pilot error - if they did fly into a thunderstowm, then yes, they made an error. But we don't know what happened yet so no point speculating.

    Thats what was being said on TV last night.


  • #10
    Su Campu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    Original Steyr wrote: »
    Thats what was being said on TV last night.

    That's the quickest air accident investigation ever then! :D

    I don't listen to what's been said on TV - I wait for the official report.


  • #11
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    N7777G wrote: »
    The Ethiopian B737 that crashed yesterday was originally EI-CSW of Ryanair. It was delivered in 2002 and only moved to Ethiopian last summer.

    photo of EI-CSW in better times ...

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/eigjb/4304695343/


    crikey...that is a bit too close to home for comfort..


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  • #12
    Original Steyr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Original Steyr


    Su Campu wrote: »
    That's the quickest air accident investigation ever then! :D

    Thats what i thought too:pac:
    Su Campu wrote: »
    I don't listen to what's been said on TV - I wait for the official report.


    Same as.


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