Is Trócaire a good charity ot donate too

enfant terrible

Does all the money we donate to Trócaire go to the people in need of it?

Is there a charity where you can be sure all your donation is going to help people?

congo_90

enfant terrible wrote: »

Does all the money we donate to Trócaire go to the people in need of it?

No

enfant terrible wrote: »

Is there a charity where you can be sure all your donation is going to help people?

Also no. Pm me your bank details and feel free to donate to my charitable ways/subscription

rizzee

Rizzees back-pocket fund PM for details. Cash only.

thebigcheese22

It isn't my first choice since its linked so closely with the Catholic Church. Same with SvP. I'd recommend Concern myself

mikom

enfant terrible wrote: »

Is Trócaire a good charity ot donate too

No................... but it may be a good charity to donate to.....

enfant terrible

mikom wrote: »

No................... but it may be a good charity to donate to.....

Wow you have a lot of time to spare

mikom

enfant terrible wrote: »

Wow you have a lot of time to spare

Yes, it's my form of charity.

enfant terrible

mikom wrote: »

Yes, it's my form of charity.

Or you're on the dole?

starbelgrade

enfant terrible wrote: »

Or you're on the dole?

Not a very charitable comment from someone who's so interested in charity.

BluesBerry

enfant terrible wrote: »

Does all the money we donate to Trócaire go to the people in need of it?

Is there a charity where you can be sure all your donation is going to help people?

Be careful not to let them get you name and address because there junk mail through the post is spectacular all glossy magazines and stuff wonder how much it costs to get printed and the postage

but giving to charity is always good I personally prefer Irish Charities hospitals and hospices myself but its everyones choice who they want to give their money too

starbelgrade

BluesBerry wrote: »

but giving to charity is always good

I would beg to differ - giving to charity may make you feel good, but quite often charities only serve to prolong the problems they are apparantley set up to help, by providing short term stop-gaps, rather than real, long term solutions.. and in the meantime, they provide a lot of top brasses with inflated salaries for running largely inefficient companies.

BluesBerry

starbelgrade wrote: »

I would beg to differ - giving to charity may make you feel good, but quite often charities only serve to prolong the problems they are apparantley set up to help, by providing short term stop-gaps, rather than real, long term solutions.. and in the meantime, they provide a lot of top brasses with inflated salaries for running largely inefficient companies.

Oh I see so giving a couple of euro to help the simon community or the SVDP is actually helping to line the pockets of the staff and its a bad thing because I thought it went on helping those in need thank god you live a nice cushy life and have never needed help from any sort of charity because a lot of people who have lost their jobs recently would beg to differ
so we rely on our government to sort it?
yes why doesn't everyone stop giving to charity and stop giving the top brass their inflated salaly *


*sarcasm

enfant terrible

BluesBerry wrote: »

Be careful not to let them get you name and address because there junk mail through the post is spectacular all glossy magazines and stuff wonder how much it costs to get printed and the postage

but giving to charity is always good I personally prefer Irish Charities hospitals and hospices myself but its everyones choice who they want to give their money too

Get the occasional glossy magazine from Trócaire.

Found their annual report
EXPENDITURE
"The Statement of Financial Activities shows the analysis of charitable expenditure between charitable activities
(overseas development, emergency, recovery and education programmes), cost of generating funds and governance
costs. Direct charitable expenditure on 124 programmes amounted to €60.2m (2008 – €54.7m), which represents
90.5% (2008 – 91.4%) of total expenditure."

90.5% seems pretty good.

Pace2008

Since Trócaire are affiliated with the Catholic Church I'd imagine they don't encourage (or even actively discourage) the use of contraception, which is inexcusable in countries ravaged by AIDS and completely counterproductive to what they're trying to do.

I'd say your money's better spent elsewhere.

mr_happy

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

It isn't my first choice since its linked so closely with the Catholic Church. Same with SvP. I'd recommend Concern myself

I heard someone who has worked for several charities that we should be "concerned about concern" they are not good at all.

As for Rehab - Scratch cards are BS. Are they a gambling company or a charity?

Give funds locally IMO.

walshb

If you work there and are on a wage, then yes, it's a very good charity to donate to.

OutlawPete

The only charity that I have or would ever donate to is:

A Glimmer Of Hope foundation.

It was set up by a guy from Dublin called Philip Berber (His Blog) who sold his software business for half a Billion Dollars just before the dot com bubble burst.

Initially, with his new found wealth he found that the money he was donating to charities was not being used how he was told it would be and that governmental corruption was rampant.

One very short interviews:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtvxV-ac0VU

maggy_thatcher

I know that I shouldn't tar all religious charities with the same brush - but this article about the SVP is a good indicator of reasons to be wary of them. In particular, the quote:

An SVP Lawyer wrote:

The primary function of the society, is to inculcate the Catholic faith in its members.

As such, I only donate to non-denominational charities.

NothingMan

Just stop reading newspaers/watching the news, buy yourself an Xbox, and pretty soon you won't even think of anyone worse off than yourself, let alone care.

Instant Karma

OutlawPete wrote: »

The only charity that I have or would ever donate to is:

A Glimmer Of Hope foundation.

It was set up by a guy from Dublin called Philip Berber (His Blog) who sold his software business for half a Billion Dollars just before the dot com bubble burst.

Initially, with his new found wealth he found that the money he was donating to charities was not being used how he was told it would be and that governmental corruption was rampant.

Two very short interviews:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtvxV-ac0VU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBg6ekyzlJk

I have to saw in regards to that 2nd video, I'm really uncomfortable with microcredit in a charitable sense. It smacks of the privatization of charity. I don't donate to a charity for that money to be lent out and have to be repaid with interest. I checked Philip Berbers site and blog but could find no interest rate mentioned, but after a quick google search I found that other microcredit organisations can charge between 40 & 60%.

Agent Smith

Red cross is pretty good in fairness...

walshb

Why not call these organisations businesses?

Instant Karma

walshb wrote: »

Why not call these organisations businesses?

Someone mentioned the other day that you are like a moth to a flame with charity threads, and you know what it's true.

OutlawPete

Instant Karma wrote: »

I have to saw in regards to that 2nd video, I'm really uncomfortable with microcredit in a charitable sense. .

The money is pumped back into Ethiopia in other ways though all their projects.

If you read the website's articles you will see that.

The microcredit is just a small piece of what he does.

He is trying to create a sense of economy there, something which they have no concept of due to corruption.

I had an interview he did on video but I can't find it where he explains it far better than I could.

OutlawPete

Instant Karma wrote: »

I'm really uncomfortable with microcredit in a charitable sense.

Here's a vid that might address your concerns. Concerns which I too would have by the way but I trust this guy big time.

Corruption in these countries is vast and he seems to be the only guy trying to make sure that money giving to help these people goes directly to them and to worthwhile life changing projects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2j7t1IdbWI

niceirishfella

Charity's big business.

CEO's of these "charitys" would be pulling 100k+ easily.

walshb

Instant Karma wrote: »

Someone mentioned the other day that you are like a moth to a flame with charity threads, and you know what it's true.

I could say the same for you. You're here too.

General Zod

Pace2008 wrote: »

Since Trócaire are affiliated with the Catholic Church I'd imagine they don't encourage encourage (or even actively discourage) the use of contraception, which is inexcusable in countries ravaged by AIDS and completely counterproductive to what they're trying to do.

I'd say your money's better spent elsewhere.

In fairness to Trocaire, that's not their job, and they don't get involved in sexual health classes. They deal in relief efforts.

admiralofthefleet

they have connections with the catholic cult so i wouldnt give them a cent

kraggy

General Zod wrote: »

In fairness to Trocaire, that's not their job, and they don't get involved in sexual health classes. They deal in relief efforts.

From their website:

Our programmes aim to:

* Build a reliable way of life and help people cope with climate change
* Respond to Emergencies and Disasters
* Tackle injustice and defend human rights
* Address the HIV and AIDS crisis
* Support gender equality

Wonder how they do that?

Run_to_da_hills

kraggy wrote: »

* Address the HIV and AIDS crisis
Wonder how they do that?

Simple, just give the address of where to go and get treatment.

will1977

Anyone know what Goal are like ??

mikom

mikom wrote: »

Yes, it's my form of charity.

enfant terrible wrote: »

Or you're on the dole?

Only saw this now........
Just to say, you couldn't be further from the truth.

Ps. Trócaire means compassion

Mr Benevolent

The legal minimum % of a donation that a charity must use is 5%.

starbelgrade

BluesBerry wrote: »

Oh I see so giving a couple of euro to help the simon community or the SVDP is actually helping to line the pockets of the staff and its a bad thing because I thought it went on helping those in need thank god you live a nice cushy life and have never needed help from any sort of charity because a lot of people who have lost their jobs recently would beg to differ
so we rely on our government to sort it?
yes why doesn't everyone stop giving to charity and stop giving the top brass their inflated salaly *


*sarcasm

I don't know how much the top brass at Simon or SVDP earn, but beyond this point, my point is, that we as a society have a responsibility to look after & care for those who - for whatever reason - are unable to do so for themselves. The fact that charities even exist, proves that we have failed miserably in this responsibility.

No-one who is homeless, no-one who is seeking cancer care, no children's hospital should have to rely on donations, which are essentially, the crumbs from our tables. Yes, the government should fund these projects with our money, not just the few quid we have to spare at the end of the week.

Mike 1972

kraggy wrote: »

Address the HIV and AIDS crisis

Could mean a lot of things:
1) abstinance based "education"
2) to help (medidical or otherwise) for those already affected
3) education re: safer sex (unlikely)
4) Condoms (even more unlikely)

Mediocrity

Pace2008 wrote: »

Since Trócaire are affiliated with the Catholic Church I'd imagine they don't encourage (or even actively discourage) the use of contraception, which is inexcusable in countries ravaged by AIDS and completely counterproductive to what they're trying to do.

I'd say your money's better spent elsewhere.

Condom proliferation induces more sexual activity. More sexual activity amongst infected persons = more HIV/AIDs.

We're not all FHM-reading horny bunny rabbits who'll jump into bed with anything (literally, ANYTHING) given the slightest drunken opportunity.

starbelgrade

Mediocrity wrote: »

Condom proliferation induces more sexual activity.

Where do you get your "facts" from?

The Saint

I'd probably go with the International Federation of the Red Cross/Red Crescent.

Mediocrity

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Could mean a lot of things:
1) abstinance based "education"

Tick

Mike 1972 wrote: »

2) to help (medidical or otherwise) for those already affected

Tick

Mike 1972 wrote: »

3) education re: safer sex (unlikely)

Yeah sure. To some degree. But as long as promiscuity isn't being promoted.

Mike 1972 wrote: »

4) Condoms (even more unlikely)

No way. Condoms are inherently insiduous devices that are a decietful deviation from authentic, civilised human behaviour and loving relationships.

Mediocrity

starbelgrade wrote: »

Where do you get your "facts" from?

Funny how HIV/AIDs was never a problem in Ireland until the so-called "sexual revolution" during the 1960s/1970s (i.e. our esteemed Uachtarain Mrs Robinson and her fellow champagne socialists...).

starbelgrade

Mediocrity wrote: »

Condoms are inherently insiduous devices that are a decietful deviation from authentic, civilised human behaviour and loving relationships.

And there was me thinking that they were just bits of rubber you stuck on yr knob to stop getting STDs or yr bird up the duff.

Mediocrity

starbelgrade wrote: »

And there was me thinking that they were just bits of rubber you stuck on yr knob to stop getting STDs or yr bird up the duff.

I'll bet you're an FHM-reading bunny rabbit.

starbelgrade

Mediocrity wrote: »

Funny how HIV/AIDs was never a problem in Ireland until the so-called "sexual revolution" during the 1960s/1970s (i.e. our esteemed Uachtarain Mrs Robinson and her fellow champagne socialists...).

The first case of AIDS wasn't reported until June 1981, so yeah, it is funny that it was rampant in Ireland as far back as the 60s.

starbelgrade

Mediocrity wrote: »

I'll bet you're an FHM-reading bunny rabbit.

And based on what you've already posted here, I bet you like making general assumptions & generally making sh*t up just to suit your own views.

Mediocrity

starbelgrade wrote: »

The first case of AIDS wasn't reported until June 1981, so yeah, it is funny that it was rampant in Ireland as far back as the 60s.

Mrs Robinson, The Pied Piper of Condom Users na hEireann has a lot to be proud of. :P

Pace2008

General Zod wrote: »

In fairness to Trocaire, that's not their job, and they don't get involved in sexual health classes. They deal in relief efforts.

According to their website:

Trócaire takes dual approach to HIV - addressing HIV in all development programmes and supporting partners who provide prevention, care and treatment services and challenging injustices that perpetrate the spread of the virus.
Trócaire spends almost €3 million annually on HIV, and this is expected to rise over the coming years. In sectors such as livelihoods, Trócaire is assisting partners to modify programmes for a world with AIDS, as families affected by HIV are often more vulnerable to food shortages. Programmes are also modified to be appropriate for child headed households, carers and for people with limited or no assets due to HIV and AIDS.
Trócaire works with organisations that provide prevention, care and treatment that supports national efforts, deals with the holistic needs of individuals and the poverty dimension of the epidemic. Income generating activities, life-skills, psychosocial support and education are considered integral parts of a holistic response to HIV. Underpinning all responses is a commitment to address the gender dimension of the epidemic.

Link

It doesn't entail what preventative measures against HIV infection are advised, but given the organisation's ties to the church, and the fact that a search for 'contraception' yields no results on the site, I'd imagine they're preaching abstinence as the most effective countermeasure. I'm sure their hearts are in the right place but they're pissing away 3m of your hard-earned cash every year.

Mediocrity wrote: »

Condom proliferation induces more sexual activity. More sexual activity amongst infected persons = more HIV/AIDs.

We're not all FHM-reading horny bunny rabbits who'll jump into bed with anything (literally, ANYTHING) given the slightest drunken opportunity.

I'm more of a Nuts man myself.

Mediocrity

Pace2008 wrote: »

It doesn't entail what preventative measures against HIV infection are advised, but given the organisation's ties to the church, and the fact that a search for 'contraception' yields no results on the site, I'd imagine they're preaching abstinence as the most effective countermeasure. I'm sure their hearts are in the right place but they're pissing away 3m of your hard-earned cash every year.

Catholic charity promotes abstinance and not condom use. *Shock horror*

Pace2008

Mediocrity wrote: »

Catholic charity promotes abstinance and not condom use. *Shock horror*

I'm not saying it's surprising; I'm saying it's inadvisable to donate to an organisation that wastes money providing naive and unpragmatic solutions to a serious problem in developing countries.

Mediocrity

Pace2008 wrote: »

I'm not saying it's surprising; I'm saying it's inadvisable to donate to an organisation that wastes money providing naive and unpragmatic solutions to a serious problem in developing countries.

Catholics have always been very choosy about where they put their hard-earned. I'm sure you are no different.

In my opinion, the best place for spare money is in an evelope to the local parish priest. Not a big fan of Trocaire myself. In fact, I wouldn't give them a penny.

Mediocrity

Pace2008 wrote: »

I'm not saying it's surprising; I'm saying it's inadvisable to donate to an organisation that wastes money providing naive and unpragmatic solutions to a serious problem in developing countries.

Of course you know better :pac: