Rapist released from jail after.. 9 years!

WooPeeA

I still can't believe in what I have read today in the paper..

THE terrified rape victim of beast of the mountains' Larry Murphy has been told by the Government: "We can't keep him behind bars."Justice Minister Dermot Ahern has written to the woman to confirm the sex monster WILL be freed early from his 14 year jail term.

The 43 year-old considered to be one of the most dangerous men in Ireland is legally entitled to shed a QUARTER of his sentence for good behaviour as he is a "model prisoner."

http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/cover-story.php?aid=3802

9 years jail for a rapist and suspected serial killer

Few dozens of people are jailed every year for failing to pay their TV licence... what a joke...

LeBash

Im surprised he did that much

Fighting Irish

WooPeeA wrote: »

I still can't believe in what I have read today in the paper..

http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/cover-story.php?aid=3802

9 years jail for rapist and suspected serial killer.. In the US he'd get a death penalty!!

Few dozens of people are jailed every year for failing to pay their TV licence... what a joke...

Ok so which rules/laws do you think we should follow and which ones should we not follow :rolleyes:

RMD

Allowing murderers and rapists to walk free after such short sentences in this country is an insult to their victims.

Coriolanus

Not surprising really, especially since every time the Government tries to open a new prison the NIMBY brigade launch attacks on the planning from all angles.
They should just buy an oil tanker and keep them there.

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Ok so which rules/laws do you think we should follow and which ones should we not follow

Jailing people for paltry fines and missed payments when there are people walking around with millions owed to banks that are floated using tax payers money is nothing short of immoral.

byhookorbycrook

a long thread on this in the Carlow board.

lugha

WooPeeA wrote: »

9 years jail for a serial murder and rape of few innocent people... In the US he'd get a death penalty!!

While there is a lot of suspicion about this boyo my understanding is that his conviction relates to only one horrific assault which fortunately did not end in murder. And the courts cannot set sentences on the basis of suspicions in other crimes. It will be a real problem for the Gardai when he is released.

genericguy

<sarc>

dermot ahern will help rapists and murderers, but he won't let gays get married. the minister sounds like a nice guy, i must say.

</sarc>

Wibbs

Fighting Irish wrote:

Ok so which rules/laws do you think we should follow and which ones should we not follow

Pretty weak argument. On so many levels. Thats the kinda thinking that predicates the notion of "we were only following orders". Sadly its a common mindset.

Nevore wrote: »

Jailing people for paltry fines and missed payments when there are people walking around with millions owed to banks that are floated using tax payers money is nothing short of immoral.

Plus One.


This is utterly mad. My only hope is that the cops will be sticking to him like shíte to a blanket. I suspect they will. Then again he has proven he is capable of vicious unprovoked attacks while keeping a normal side to the world. The model prisoner thing doesnt surprise me TBH. If he is such a type, then the need to fulfill that hunger will come up again.

gman2k

WooPeeA wrote: »

I still can't believe in what I have read today in the paper...9 years jail for a serial murder and rape of few innocent people

Since when is Larry Murphy a convicted serial killer? (not defending the guy, but FFS)
Thankfully we are not the US, where people are murdered by the 'justice' system.

Son Of A Vidic

This is the guy suspected of being behind a number of disappearances I believe. I note some of the usual posts ''he's innocents until proven guilty.'' - $hite! The woman he brutally attacked would have ended up dead, only passing hunters interrupted his attack. Gardai also noted where he carried out his attack initially, the area his victim was found and his movements overlapped with a number of mysterious disappearances over the years. Couple this with the fact that there have been no disappearances since he's been in prison and yes you have the likely Fcuker! Let him rot! or let him have justice 'Taliban' style if he is released.

Coriolanus

medicman2009 wrote: »

This is the guy suspected of being behind a number of disappearances I believe. I note some of the usual posts ''he's innocents until proven guilty.'' - $hite! The woman he brutally attacked would have ended up dead, only passing hunters interrupted his attack. Gardai also noted where he carried out his attack initially, the area his victim was found and his movements overlapped with a number of mysterious disappearances over the years. Couple this with the fact that there have been no disappearances since he's been in prison and yes you have the likely Fcuker! Let him rot! or let him have justice 'Taliban' style if he is released.

The thing there is, I suspect you raped and murdered my ... kitten, last week. Do I get to behead you like the Taliban do?
Cause honestly, if that's the type of society you want to live in, I hear you can sign up in some of the more extreme mosques in England.

galwayrush

Ah well, another space in prison available for petty fines, not having a TV licence, not being able to pay small debts. and the ***** in power won't change it.

Kristopherus

Wibbs wrote: »

Pretty weak argument. On so many levels. Thats the kinda thinking that predicates the notion of "we were only following orders". Sadly its a common mindset. Plus One.


This is utterly mad. My only hope is that the cops will be sticking to him like shíte to a blanket. I suspect they will. Then again he has proven he is capable of vicious unprovoked attacks while keeping a normal side to the world. The model prisoner thing doesnt surprise me TBH. If he is such a type, then the need to fulfill that hunger will come up again.

+1 again. The huge irony is that he will be entitled to every social & healthcare scheme & will be a burden on the taxpayer.Maybe the Taliban scenario in this particular case is not so far off the mark.

Mike 1972

Nevore wrote: »

Not surprising really, especially since every time the Government tries to open a new prison the NIMBY brigade launch attacks on the planning from all angles.

I seem to recall the prison in Castlerea being quite popular with locals

Bugnug

Nevore wrote: »

The thing there is, I suspect you raped and murdered my ... kitten, last week. Do I get to behead you like the Taliban do?
Cause honestly, if that's the type of society you want to live in, I hear you can sign up in some of the more extreme mosques in England.

Its because of people like you that scum **** like this get a second chance. How would you feel about this if it happened to one of your relatives? This guy should never have been allowed see the light of day because somebodies, wife, sister, mother, aunt is out there and they are this guys next victim.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

WooPeeA wrote: »

I still can't believe in what I have read today in the paper..

http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/cover-story.php?aid=3802

9 years jail for a serial murder and rape of few innocent people... In the US he'd get a death penalty!!

Few dozens of people are jailed every year for failing to pay their TV licence... what a joke...

1 - Serial Killer?

2 - Sunday World...??

Nevore wrote: »

Not surprising really, especially since every time the Government tries to open a new prison the NIMBY brigade launch attacks on the planning from all angles.
They should just buy an oil tanker and keep them there.



Jailing people for paltry fines and missed payments when there are people walking around with millions owed to banks that are floated using tax payers money is nothing short of immoral.

+1. Plenty of uninhabited islands for these things.

I think this idea of "good beahaveiour" needs to be looked at. Fourteen years should befourteen years, plus time added on for bad behaveiour is needs by.

And Mr Ahearn might be powerless to stop this from happening now, but he is NOT powerless to stop it from happenign in the future.

MedicMan wrote:

I note some of the usual posts ''he's innocents until proven guilty.'' - $hite!

Quiet possibly the most retarded statement I have ever read on boards.ie

Coriolanus

Bugnug wrote: »

Its because of people like you that scum **** like this get a second chance. How would you feel about this if it happened to one of your relatives? This guy should never have been allowed see the light of day because somebodies, wife, sister, mother, aunt is out there and they are this guys next victim.

What, people like me that believe in due process and the rule of law?

argonaut

It's hilarious to see the kneejerk moral outrage here from the kind of people who'd probably read the Daily Mail if they lived in Britain.

fintonie

Lock up your corn flakes

Bugnug

argonaut wrote: »

It's hilarious to see the kneejerk moral outrage here from the kind of people who'd probably read the Daily Mail if they lived in Britain.

What does that mean? I read the Irish Times and it was in that paper 2 years ago that I read the story about this animal, you should look it up it might open your eyes.

TheZohanS

Folks lets remember that this sad excuse for a human being has been convicted for rape, he might be a suspect in these murders but the scumbag has not been convicted or charged with any murders.

Bugnug

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Ah, but you DON'T believe in due process and rule of law - you stated so when you implied innocent until proven guilty was, quote, "sh1te"

How would you feel if this guy decides to settle in your town?

Coriolanus

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Ah, but you DON'T believe in due process and rule of law - you stated so when you implied innocent until proven guilty was, quote, "sh1te"

I didn't say that, Medicman2009 did.

smythwicks

"the sex monster"
Even James Bond would kill for that title.

eth0_

Bugnug wrote: »

Its because of people like you that scum **** like this get a second chance. How would you feel about this if it happened to one of your relatives? This guy should never have been allowed see the light of day because somebodies, wife, sister, mother, aunt is out there and they are this guys next victim.

I hope you never get to sit on a jury!

I agree that the guy is a scumbag, but 9 years is probably average for this type of crime. People SUSPECT he is a murderer, but unfortunately for you, in this country we convict people of crimes based on irrefutable evidence, rather than suspicions.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bugnug wrote: »

How would you feel if this guy decides to settle in your town?

Probably exactly the same way.

Nevore wrote: »

I didn't say that, Medicman2009 did.

Apologies, post removed.

seclachi

Hurray for the Sunday world. Why make up my own mind when I can get this fine rag to do all the thinking for me with words like beast and monster.

argonaut

Bugnug wrote: »

What does that mean? I read the Irish Times and it was in that paper 2 years ago that I read the story about this animal, you should look it up it might open your eyes.

I'm referring to the way that several of more, uh, emotional posts have the sort of tone that implies the poster would prefer to see alleged rapists (and murderers, prostitutes and hippies, maybe) taken out back and shot rather than given a fair trial.

It's a lynch mob mentality. I'm not defending the guy by any means, I'm just saying that people shouldn't jump to conclusions so readily.

seclachi wrote: »

Hurray for the Sunday world. Why make up my own mind when I can get this fine rag to do all the thinking for me with words like beast and monster.

You said it better than I could have.

Coriolanus

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Apologies, post removed.

Thanks.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bugnug wrote: »

What does that mean? I read the Irish Times and it was in that paper 2 years ago that I read the story about this animal, you should look it up it might open your eyes.

Are you the same person who implied that if a person moved into one's locality we should think differently and possible even question the law? I ask because I've already misquoted one person tonight and I'd rather not do it again!

twowheelsonly

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

+1. Plenty of uninhabited islands for these things.

But the FF/PD Government closed the only island prison that we had -- Fort Mitchel on Spike Island. The place was ripe to be developed as a High Security prison but they closed it instead.
BTW Spike was the prison with the lowest rate of recidivism i.e. repeat offenders and had the best education set-up in the prison system which was most likely the reason for the low rate. Likewise, Shanganagh was a successful prison for juveniles but they closed that too!!! Micky McDowell afraid that work might dry up if the young fellas behaved??

Back on topic, his original sentence was far too short but he's not a convicted serial killer so there's not a lot that the system can do. IMO he should have been given a life sentence for the rape. At least then if he got out it was only on licence and could be revoked at any time.

ejmaztec

smythwicks wrote: »

"the sex monster"
Even James Bond would kill for that title.

I don't think that the James Bond character has ever been portrayed as a "sex monster". Is there another James Bond?:P

Bugnug

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Probably exactly the same way.



Apologies, post removed.

You would feel absolutely fine with it. I dont believe that for one second.

argonaut

Bugnug wrote: »

You would feel absolutely fine with it. I dont believe that for one second.

Well, this argument's going places.

"I would be fine with it."

"I don't believe you."

Not a whole lot you can say about that.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bugnug wrote: »

You would feel absolutely fine with it. I dont believe that for one second.

You're dodging the issue: should an open minded person assume guilt of a further crime should a convicted criminal lived near them?

If you think I personally would do such a thing, I await your evidence, sir.

Bugnug

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Are you the same person who implied that if a person moved into one's locality we should think differently and possible even question the law? I ask because I've already misquoted one person tonight and I'd rather not do it again!

I never implied that the law should be brought in to question. i asked the question of one poster how they would feel if this animal came to live in thier village or town. I know I would not be sleeping easy at night if he arrived to settle in my locality and I defy anybody to tell me they would feel any different.

MaybeLogic

Bugnug wrote: »

I never implied that the law should be brought in to question. i asked the question of one poster how they would feel if this animal came to live in thier village or town. I know I would not be sleeping easy at night if he arrived to settle in my locality and I defy anybody to tell me they would feel any different.

I believe there are few cops designated to watch him around the clock.

argonaut

Bugnug wrote: »

I never implied that the law should be brought in to question. i asked the question of one poster how they would feel if this animal came to live in thier village or town. I know I would not be sleeping easy at night if he arrived to settle in my locality and I defy anybody to tell me they would feel any different.

I feel differently! So does that other guy, but you basically said "Yeah, well, I don't believe you anyway.", which renders any response to this post a waste of time since you're only going to hear (or read, I guess) what you want to hear.

Bugnug

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

You're dodging the issue: should an open minded person assume guilt of a further crime should a convicted criminal lived near them?

If you think I personally would do such a thing, I await your evidence, sir.

What are you talking about? I read the story about this guy. Have you? Let me recap, he kidnapped an innocent woman, dragged her into the mountains where he rapped her several times, tried to strangle her to death and was interupted by a bunch of hunters. What dont you get?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bugnug wrote: »

I never implied that the law should be brought in to question. i asked the question of one poster how they would feel if this animal came to live in thier village or town. I know I would not be sleeping easy at night if he arrived to settle in my locality and I defy anybody to tell me they would feel any different.

I know. That poster was me. I naswer your question. You claimed you were open-minded and said now feel that said convict's ASSUMED status would weigh upon your mind. This is not open-minded.

If I felt there was a strogn chance of further convictions then yes - I might be in the same boat - but I would not automatically assume that he was going to re-offend without due cause.

Son Of A Vidic

Nevore wrote: »

The thing there is, I suspect you raped and murdered my ... kitten, last week. Do I get to behead you like the Taliban do?
Cause honestly, if that's the type of society you want to live in, I hear you can sign up in some of the more extreme mosques in England.

Well lets take your hypothetical argument RE:Kittens, if I was caught with a kitten in an area where kittens disappeared and my modus operandi fitted the Gardai profile of a kitten killer. Then I'm jailed and kittens stop dying and disappearing in the area, ''well then, let me see - hey I'm the likely kitten killer.''
You also misinterpret Taliban justice, they wouldn't behead him, good God no. They traditionally offer the nearest female relative the opportunity to have justice for the victim, if they haven't the stomach, then the nearest male relative is offered the chance.
I'd say any relative of that poor girl that survived the savage attack, would jump at the chance to deliver 'justice' on her attacker.
Concerning the type of society I want to live in, I want to stop living in a country that has one of the worst criminal conviction rates on sex crimes committed against women. I want to stop living in a country that has 'senile' judges with their ancient attitudes to women. I want to live in a country that doesn't put rape victims on trial, rather the scumbag suspect. I can assure you of one thing, if my wife/sister/daughter or mother was such a victim, I wouldn't need no Taliban or some backward, inept judicial system to deliver justice for me.

Bugnug

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I know. That poster was me. I naswer your question. You claimed you were open-minded and said now feel that said convict's ASSUMED status would weigh upon your mind. This is not open-minded.

What?

If I felt there was a strogn chance of further convictions then yes - I might be in the same boat - but I would not automatically assume that he was going to re-offend without due cause.

I never implied that he would re offend. I stated that I would be very uncomfortable with him living in my neighbourhood and I dont believe anybody who says any different. The only person who would feel comfortable with this animal in their locality is one with no feemale relatives or friends.

Mr. Presentable

OP, I completely agree this man should not be released.

I would be interested in evidence that anyone has ever been jailed in this country for failure to pay a TV license. Can you link it?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bugnug wrote: »

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Ah, but you DON'T believe in due process and rule of law - you stated so when you implied innocent until proven guilty was, quote, "sh1te"

How would you feel if this guy decides to settle in your town?

Bugnug wrote: »

I never implied that he would re offend. I stated that I would be very uncomfortable with him living in my neighbourhood and I dont believe anybody who says any different. The only person who would feel comfortable with this animal in their locality is one with no feemale relatives or friends.

You implied that I would abandon due process and rule of law, and then proceeded to call yourself "open-minded". You also said that you did not believe my responce based on nothing. About whether I would or would not sleep easy or do something about it, you may well have been right, but it would have been little more than a lucky guess based on nothing.

Circle Jerk over. My point has been made.

Coriolanus

nipplenuts wrote: »

I would be interested in evidence that anyone has ever been jailed in this country for failure to pay a TV license. Can you link it?

Over 50 last year. Edit: Actually, that was 2008. Over 30 in 2007. Probably an upward trend anyway.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ideysnmhey/

Over 4000 for non-payment of fines, generally.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/1109/1224258394211.html

Mr. Presentable

Nevore wrote: »

Over 50 last year. Edit: Actually, that was 2008. Over 30 in 2007. Probably an upward trend anyway.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ideysnmhey/

Over 4000 for non-payment of fines, generally.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/1109/1224258394211.html

These are all for non payment of fines. That is, failure to follow a court order. Not failure to pay a TV license, despite the sensational headline.

lugha

This case certainly presents a real problem. It is only right and proper that sentences be based on the conviction defendants receive in court (and I don't think too many people would be happy to see this guy getting out, even if he served the full 14 years he got). Usually I would say rumour and suspicion should have no role in justice, unfortunately lots of people get away with horrific crimes because of a lack of evidence. But it isn't quite satisfactory to simply say, a defendant has served their time and should be let be, if there is a possibility (even if it cannot be proved) that one still poses a grave risk to the public. Hopefully the gardai will be quietly building another case against this guy which they might have when he is released.

Coriolanus

nipplenuts wrote: »

These are all for non payment of fines. That is, failure to follow a court order. Not failure to pay a TV license, despite the sensational headline.

Fines, that arise from not paying a TV license. It's the prime cause. We can argue the toss of it, but whatever legal semantics you want to play with it, I still think it's wrong.

Overheal

So he isnt specifically linked to the Disappearance of Annie McCarrick?

If he is or it could be proven, I for one would like to help get him Extradited into a US Prison.

aDeener

Fair enough this cunt has not been convicted of any murder but what he has been convicted of is absolutely despicable, and he should have been punished accordingly. what i mean by that is not the slap on the wrist of 9 years (which is a slap in the face to his victim) Rather, a rough time in jail til the end of his days. simple. I mean how can anyone justify that sentence? Does anyone here, as a matter of interest, think that 9 years was just? Is there anyone who thinks maybe he served too much time and a couple of years "rehabilitation" would have sufficed?

I can't imagine this ****er to be treated too well wherever he ends up. I wouldnt be shedding any tears if i were to hear he got hit by a bus in the morning, to put it mildly.