Resoration services required.

kiki

Hi,

I have a 1972 yellow consul granada that needs some work done. The car was given to me my father in law who bought it from fords when he worked there in the 70's. I know that the project would cost more than the car is worth - but for family reasons I want to have it restored. The car runs reasonably well and is not a complete shed as it is. Been garaged for 25 plus years.

It needs
*********
- dealing with rust - not sure how extensive it is.
- protection from rust - sealing /coating etc.
- door alignment.

Possbly
**********
rear safety belts,
power steering,
possibly 3L engine - current is 2L V4,
possibly electronic ignition ?)

I don't have time - nor experience to tackle all of this myself - as my experience limited to easier jobs parts such as discs, suspension parts etc.

Is there anyone here who can recommend a restorer or who would be interested in having a look at my project ? i'm based in Louth but willing to travel anywhere. Can forward Photos if required or helpful.

Woody.

unkel

Can you upload some photos here? It might help people get an idea of the size of the job.

kyote00

Definately worth the effort --- Irish cars who full history is known are so rare...

The V4 engine was a mechnical disaster at the time but given that we now know the problems, milage will be limited I assume, it may be best to keep it original

I'd say bodywork (and paint) will be the big expense...

Post some pics - i;d love to see the V4 unit....

kiki wrote: »

Hi,

I have a 1972 yellow consul granada that needs some work done. The car was given to me my father in law who bought it from fords when he worked there in the 70's. I know that the project would cost more than the car is worth - but for family reasons I want to have it restored. The car runs reasonably well and is not a complete shed as it is. Been garaged for 25 plus years.

It needs
*********
- dealing with rust - not sure how extensive it is.
- protection from rust - sealing /coating etc.
- door alignment.

Possbly
**********
rear safety belts,
power steering,
possibly 3L engine - current is 2L V4,
possibly electronic ignition ?)

I don't have time - nor experience to tackle all of this myself - as my experience limited to easier jobs parts such as discs, suspension parts etc.

Is there anyone here who can recommend a restorer or who would be interested in having a look at my project ? i'm based in Louth but willing to travel anywhere. Can forward Photos if required or helpful.

Woody.

mountain

give bob heaton a call,
http://www.classicmotorscork.com/
done work for me and i was very happy, has just moved to a much more modern premises, the last place was a shambles.

He can also collect from you as well.

junkyard

I remember that car, it used to be parked on the lower road out of Cork, I tried to buy it off him a few years ago but he wouldn't sell and I quoted him to restore it to but didn't from the sounds of it.

Bios

A few pictures would be good, especially of the the rusted areas. As kyote00 said, the bodywork will be expensive part.

rugbyman

hello KiKi

i recently met a fellow in Louth who has restored/is restoring some cars. I have not seen his work but i know of someone for whom he did some welding. ( I know, this gets mysteriouser and mysteriouser).

to add interest to this post, the fellow for whom he did some work is in year 5 of an Irish Jaguar MK 11 restoration. I know he reads these posts and I hope to get some pics!

he has some spare time at the moment. I will certainly find his contact details and pm them to you if you wish.
pics pls?

regards Rugbyman

kiki

Pictures taken today.

The problem with trying to ascertain where the rust is that its hard to spot - but I have seen it in a few places - but dont know where it is also hiding !

http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/

Here are some pictures - I have the above in greater detail - 3 MBytes per pic if anyone wants to see finer pics.

I have some money saved, and I know the end result will cost more than the car would be worth restored - yet I really want to have it restored for family reasons - but yet dont want to be totally silly with money.

Woody

carchaeologist

Wow..thats some car!I was expecting a total wreck the way you were talking!That car looks in very good shape indeed.It certainly doesnt look like it needs a huge amount of work.

Was it an import,as the registration is a 1979 number and the MK2 came out in 1977?

granadamad

carchaeologist wrote: »

Wow..thats some car!I was expecting a total wreck the way you were talking!That car looks in very good shape indeed.It certainly doesnt look like it needs a huge amount of work.

Was it an import,as the registration is a 1979 number and the MK2 came out in 1977?

i was expecting a lot worse too, its gonna take a fair few €s to have it the way you want but at least with that car everything is on it and is in good nick should make the job a bit easier alright

basically all it needs is new panels and some other body work and putting back together, the rear pillars even look clean under that vinyl which is very rare for them to be clean there!

rugbyman

Whew, that car looks to me as it should do after the restoration. it has been well minded.

Rugbyman

kiki

Yes it is an import - My father in law worked at fords Dagenham in the UK when he bought it. He left UK in 75 or 76 as far as i know, so would have registered it here shortly afterwards - I must check the log book to see when it was first registered in Ireland. He had it garaged in Cork for several years and afterwards it was outside on the lower road in Cork for several years. And he also had it round Ballymore, Cobh.

Underneath the vinyl on the rear pillars the rust is starting to bubble - just above the points where the vinyl ends.

car has done 86000 miles in total - on first engine - never been lifted out as far as i know.

Woody

milan

Theres a lad I know not too far away from you up North that does alot this type of work,just recently finished doing his own car,his work speaks for itself,i'll get his details if you want.

PaulK_CCI

As all other comments, from your description, I was expecting a chicken shed (!!), but it seems to be a very nicely preserved car that should be able to be brought back to superb condition, without major headache...

and with this bit of info...

kiki wrote: »

car has done 86000 miles in total - on first engine - never been lifted out as far as i know.

...you've more or less answered the options in your original post, as to which route to take with the car

kiki wrote: »

Possbly
**********
rear safety belts,
power steering,
possibly 3L engine - current is 2L V4,
possibly electronic ignition ?)

- Rear seat belt, sure, why not, as you improve safety without taking away from the aestetics and moving away from originality too far.
- power steering, I would say, only if power steering was originally fitted to the Mk1 Consul/Granada's, and you fit original parts...
- an absolute definite NO! The engine is low mileage, original, belongs to the car, and as you describe still seems to be in reasonable enough health. By fitting a different and different spec engine, you will loose a big chunck of the originality that makes your car special, as in low mileage, family owned and full history known!
- sure, why not. It improves reliabilty, without taking away from aestetics and moving away from originality too far.

2cv

mountain wrote: »

give bob heaton a call,
http://www.classicmotorscork.com/
done work for me and i was very happy, has just moved to a much more modern premises, the last place was a shambles.

He can also collect from you as well.

Bob Heaton must be a millionaire by now :-)
He once quoted me €600 to spray two wings for a 2CV and they were brand new. He didn't even have to take them off or fit them :-) Of course, i walked away!!!

carchaeologist

PaulK_CCI wrote: »

- an absolute definite NO! The engine is low mileage, original, belongs to the car, and as you describe still seems to be in reasonable enough health. By fitting a different and different spec engine, you will loose a big chunck of the originality that makes your car special, as in low mileage, family owned and full history known!

Yes,i agree 100% here too,keep as is,it would be silly to think otherwise.
Have you the car on the road at the moment Kiki?

kiki

No car is off the road at the moment. But when it is sorted out I intend to use it one day a week to and from work.

I was using it year before last but there were several downsides to use.
1. Without power steering parking is a bit of a workout - it's a heavy car !
2. On the motorway it really really could do with a fifth gear - lots of noise at 60 mph.

On the upside - gots lots of waves, smiles and at every petrol station it was a conversation starter - I'm hooked on classic car driving.

carchaeologist

kiki wrote: »

I was using it year before last but there were several downsides to use.
1. Without power steering parking is a bit of a workout - it's a heavy car !
2. On the motorway it really really could do with a fifth gear - lots of noise at 60 mph.

On the upside - gots lots of waves, smiles and at every petrol station it was a conversation starter - I'm hooked on classic car driving.

This is all part of it,take no notice of the noise,these cars were designed to be like this,turn up the radio a bit louder if you dont like it,i always retrofit a CD player in my cars,either in under the dash where it cant be seen,or in the glovebox .:)
The upsides more than make up for the downsides!

otoole1978

Hi,
I know someone who may be able to do the work for you. I had some work done on my car and it turned out great. The service is mobile. Have a look at his website: www.carmedicherts.co.uk.

Abelloid

otoole1978 wrote: »

Hi,
I know someone who may be able to do the work for you. I had some work done on my car and it turned out great. The service is mobile. Have a look at his website: www.carmedicherts.co.uk.

Is your name Andy by any chance?

otoole1978

JustinOval wrote: »

Is your name Andy by any chance?

No it's not.

ianobrien

otoole1978 wrote: »

Hi,
I know someone who may be able to do the work for you. I had some work done on my car and it turned out great. The service is mobile. Have a look at his website: www.carmedicherts.co.uk.

A one post wonder.............

Mobile restoration service? I'm just a fraction sceptic.....

OP, Check does the engine number match that in the paperwork. If it's on the original engine, I'd be keeping it. I know that on othe Fords of that era, the last 5 digits of the chassis number are the engine number and are stamped on the block.

Also, if you're in Cork, I can recommend some people. PM me if interested.

Edit - For engine parts, the first stop for me would be Burton Power http://www.burtonpower.com

surly joe

Try Jon Miller at http://classiccarworkshop.ie

He's good.

Rust or Weld

I can repair your car properly, i have done lots of welding & have pics of the cars i have worked on & i can show you my work & i am based in Co Louth, rugbyman has mentioned me in this thread, pm for further info.

kiki

Well the restoration has started. Heres what has been found and done to date !

Two very knowledgeable and skilled men near to Dundalk have agreed to do the work - this is their work to date....
- car remove in April 09.

1. Before restoration pictures can be found at
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/

2. Strip - remove interior, doors, glass, wings, engine etc.
and start to look at work required.
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/strip_part_1/


3. Strip Part 2 - continue to view / find work.
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/strip_part_2/

4. Strip Part 3 - remove running gear - put shell on jig
continue to view / find work / underneath.
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/strip_part_3/



5. Strip part 4 - 3rd May - continue to see if any more filler can be found...
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/strip_part_4/

6. Start to weld - 11th May - lets begin to turn back time....
Beginning with nearside rear wheel arch
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_1/

7. More welding - 12th may - wheel arch and spare wheel holder.
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_2/

8. May 19 - more welding
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_3/

9. more investigation - dash removed - underneath cleaning.
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_4/

10. - underneath cleaning.
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_5/


11. Chassis Rail Repair.
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_6/

sam22

hi kiki. i have seen some of that mans work and you will have a car for life after he is finished with.it. you gave it to the right man

rugbyman

Whew!
Rugbyman

Henry Ford III

Nice work that.

no1beemerfan

Brilliant. Can't wait to see it finished! I'm glad you've done it right....will last for years....and put a big grin on your face driving it!

kiki

11. Repair of Plate beside gearbox mount. Looked like the Geabox mount has some plate to distribute the load more evenly under the car - the rhs plate to do this had hardly any metal left - the was then fixed.

http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_7/

kiki

kiki

Well the Latest on the Granada restoration - lots done in past two weeks, still a good bit to go before shell is done, but starting to see one very solid shell as a result of all the hard work done by "the artist".


12.
A.Repair some rust in floor
B. Expose LHS Sill
C. Expose Base of A pillar, where it meets Sill
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_8/



13.
A. Rebuild Area where LHS Sill meets rear wheel arch
B. Fix Floor Under rear Jacking Support Point
C. Rebuild Area where LHS Sill meets Base of A pillar
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_9/

14.
A. Fix LHS Sill (Internally painted with POR & Zinc Paint)
B. Expose more Rust in Engine Bay !
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_10/

15.
A. Fixing More Rust patches in Engine compartment, inner wings.
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_11/

16.
A. Fix - Battery Holder/Plate
B. Fix Rear LHS Jacking Support
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_12/

17.
A. LHS Front Wing Rail - Expose even more Rust (will it end ?)
B. Fixes for same
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_13/?start=0

Nearly getting to the END of LHS side Metal work....





kiki

Mr Benevolent

Maybe this is a taboo question in classic restoration, but roughly how much will it cost to restore the Granada fully?

kiki

Hi,

Not trying to be obtuse here, but the thing about my restoration is that the if I start and spend x on a full restoration I expect to have a car worth x/2 when I am finished. I have a budget in mind for my project and would be happy to share it with you in private or let the public know after the project is completed. Its also hard to access the work required until you start to look at the vehicle in detail - in my case more rot was found as the car was being restored - much of it not visible until car was stripped down to shell.

In my own case the car has been in family ownership since it was new and has been used for important family occasions - so its value to me is possibly more than its value to someone else.

If people who are interested in classic cars looked at it just for the money then I feel many, many cars would simply be written of as uneconomical and we wouldnt see them on the roads anymore.

kiki

18.
A. LHS Front Suspension Mounting Point Repair
B. Repair Arround LHS front light.
C. Start on RHS ....
D. RHS - Remove Old Sill - Lots of Rot underneath, at back and especially under jacking mount.
E. RHS Chassis rail repair
F. RHS Floor Repair - under Driver !
G. RHS Jack support - glad I didnt try jack it up using that - jack would most likely have come straight through floor....

http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_14/

kiki

Here is links to the latest works.
Welding was still going on for past few weeks, but right hand side is now well and truly tackled
welding it is near completion....
I am looking forward to completion of shell and then onto cleaning, anti corrosion treatment, prep for paint.....
Buying a new (used) bonnet, better than trying to repair original.



19. Repair of
Floor section under driver...very important that none of the passengers put their foot through the floor...especially the driver ;-)
Remove old Sills Right hand side - lots of rust at both neds too..
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_15/


20. Repair of Right hand side sill
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_16/



21. Repair of
Sections under Right hand A pillar.
Front Jacking point RHS
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_17/

22. Repair of
Right hand mounting band,
Right hand headlamp surround - see from the pictures how much of it had disappeared...scary isnt it ?
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_18/

23. Onto .. the Boot Area
Repair of a previously badly repaired job in boot - old steel was previously welded over hiding you know what... Amazing what can be then hidden in with a bit of filler and paint. Anyhow this time its being done right. Right down to ridged pattern on newly installed sheet steel - work of art.
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld_part_19/

aujopimur

Hi kiki, great work ,I remember that car when it was parked on the lower road in cork.
I am currently restoring a DKW and I'm having difficulty sourcing sheet metal (22gauge not sure what this is in mm.), I would appreciate it if you could let me know where I could purchase same.

kiki

24. Boot Area Continued


Repair under rear window - interesting two holes look like drainage holes - any ideas ?

Repair C Pillar - under vinyl roof.

Front wings - fill in holes from wing mount mirrors - going to fit door mounted ones (easier for driver and safer pedestrians too I guess).
Also fill in aerial mounting point - its was in the drivers line of vision. Funny place to put it - perhaps for lhd cars it was ok - but it is annoying for rhd. Need to put aerial elsewhere - can aerial be in car now ? - ideas ?


http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/weld-part_20/?start=0

kiki

25. Shell welding is complete - whew.
Well done to the skilled man with the welder.

Work done
A. Last of shell welding - now have a good clean shell - no rust - very surprising how much rust there was hidden throughout the car. Can will be able to drive it now knowing its solid and shouldnt be leaking too much.

B. Underneath gets a coat of POR 15 - (tunnel still to be done).


http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/prep_for_painting_01/

kiki

Hello as the OP can I suggest that this matter of any potential disagreement be discussed on another thread, I am keeping this thread open for now showing the restoration progress on the car to date and have obviously chosen the service suppliers (very happy too, with RustorWeld and his mate).

@the Mods - is there a way of renaming the thread title while keeping all posts, that would make its title a better description ?

@ all - I suggest that if you cant recommend someones work then don't publicly mention it, that way no one take offense. If you feel strongly then do it by PM (thanks btw for all the PMs from those who made the time and made comments - I do appreciate them).


Woody/Kiki

BeardyGit

Alisair - Fair enough - I can't find any such thread or discussion though. Drop me a PM with a link to the thread if you can so I can have a look-see
Never mind, found it.

Kiki, nice work being done for you there - you must be delighted with the progress?

kiki

RoverCraft wrote: »

Kiki, nice work being done for you there - you must be delighted with the progress?

Yes - well pleased - its nice to see it turn the corner - starting to be ready for rebuild. Have to say the amount of rust is way more than I expected (or the chap who is doing the work), having said that I will not have to worry about its structure now - I would say it was not safe the way it was.

It wouldn't be my choice of car if I was restoring for myself - this however is a family car and there is lots of family history attached to it, so it had to be done irrespective of cost/effort. Still I'll expect I'll have grin from one ear to the other when I drive it ;-)

Looking forward seeing it in the next stage - I'll keep you all posted.
Kiki

kiki

26. More POR inside and in boot area

http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/t...r_painting_02/

27. Fit back in Battery Tray, fit new front valance and align.
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/prep_for_painting_03/


28. Coating of Stone chip protection, sub frames and suspension fitted, rolled out into daylight again
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/prep_for_painting_04/

29. Last Job for the skilled man with the welder
Four new unused doors were sourced, still with ford labels on them, just minor surface rust.. unbelievable what people keep. There was a small difference in one of the doors, just where the A pillar meets roof - in the car the joint was angled, but the new door had a curve. The original angle piece was cut from the donor door and inserted into the new door.
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/prep_for_painting_05/


Next - Off to be painted - stay tuned...

sam22

well done on your choice of welder, she will be a super car when finished

Leadership

Nice restore and great history! Its certainly a "proper job" as they say on scrapheap challenge.

Just a minor observation, POR15 is a awesome product but it is prone to chipping off when hit by stones and debris so I would not rely on that 100% for the underside. You should have a think about additional protection for vulnerable areas like waxyol which can absorb these impacts.

kiki

Leadership,

Thanks for the comments.. Regarding your POR15 obversation - there is a grey coating of "chip protection" over the POR15 which is glossy black in colour. Im not sure what this chip protection stuff is - I must ask the man who is looking after the job.
I do know it is our intention to also wax the car later, especially internal cavities.

BTW nice house build, well done. I'm due to have house built in Cobh for family in next year, just got the PP so very interested in all building projects at the moment.

Kiki

Rust or Weld

Leadership wrote: »

Nice restore and great history! Its certainly a "proper job" as they say on scrapheap challenge.

Just a minor observation, POR15 is a awesome product but it is prone to chipping off when hit by stones and debris so I would not rely on that 100% for the underside. You should have a think about additional protection for vulnerable areas like waxyol which can absorb these impacts.

Hi where did you get this info from about por15 being prone to chipping & have you used por15 properly?

stage one clean the area with wire wheels
stage two use marine clean to clean the area
stage three spray on the por15 metal ready to etch the surface allow to dry & brush off excess
stage four paint on pos15 with paint brush or spray on allow to dry

it is very very difficult to chip the paint once its done this way the recommended way
stage five the underside is then liberally coated with a stonechip protection which will leave peace of mind as regards what you are concerned about
stage seven when car is painted & before assembly it should be excessively drenched in dinitrol ml or equivalent cavity wax (basically everywhere) & car will be protected for years to come

thats my 2 cents worth on how it should be done in my experience

Leadership

Rust or Weld wrote: »

Hi where did you get this info from about por15 being prone to chipping & have you used por15 properly?

Experience basically, I have done a few low level resto's mostly on VW's and I have found a few areas have chipped off around the wheel arches and chassis and started rusting again. Did I follow the process....Yes but I doubt it was 100% and I didnt apply the stone chipping. I now POR15 underneath and use Waxyol on top, since I have used this method everything is holding up well.

kiki

11 September Loading - Off to Painter
Bonnet was sourced in Limerrick - It is black and hand painted ! , Doors have just surfacce rust - never been fitted to any car before - even come with ford paper stickers on them !

wowa

Rust or Weld wrote: »

Hi where did you get this info from about por15 being prone to chipping & have you used por15 properly?

stage one clean the area with wire wheels
stage two use marine clean to clean the area
stage three spray on the por15 metal ready to etch the surface allow to dry & brush off excess
stage four paint on pos15 with paint brush or spray on allow to dry

it is very very difficult to chip the paint once its done this way the recommended way
stage five the underside is then liberally coated with a stonechip protection which will leave peace of mind as regards what you are concerned about
stage seven when car is painted & before assembly it should be excessively drenched in dinitrol ml or equivalent cavity wax (basically everywhere) & car will be protected for years to come

thats my 2 cents worth on how it should be done in my experience

tried to PM Rust or Weld re: getting some work done but not enough posts! any suggestions?

wowa

can I contact you re: some rust proofing? don't have enough posts to PM you!
thanks

kiki

Well,

Year is drawing to a close - thought anyone following would like to see where we are with the "yellow baby" project...

It left workshop in September and then sat while the first person to paint it didnt in the end paint it. It has gone then about three weeks ago to a second chap, who has taken on the next stage of the project.

Is almost Christmas, and looks to be painted - painter not 100% happy with last paint coat as cold freezing temperatures causing some issues - a litle rework needed in Jan to make perfect, but as you can see the project is moving again...

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Will keep you all updated int he new year..

To see all recent pics - follow link bellow (there are also other folders showing progression of project over months)
http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt161/irishwoody/Granada%20Mk1/paint_part_1/

kiki