How much are you paying..

arybvtcw0eolkf

For practice?.

In one Judo club I'm paying €5- mat fee's and another is charging €8.50.

On top of that is €60- Irish Judo Association membership annual fee & as I train x3 nights per week its all adding up.

So, how much are you paying/charging?.

karlkavo

I do TaeKwon-Do and its €5 per class twice a week and insurance and assocation membership is €30. I have 3 children who take classes so I asked for a family rate.

Charlie3dan

I pay €15 a week.
This gives me 3 sessions a week (I could also train in the 2 junior sessions a week for that fee but I rarely get back from work in time).
Membership is €25 for the year and I think license fees are €10.

I think it's pretty good value. Some people say it's robbery and others think it's for nothing. When I did Capoeira it was €10 per session and I was happy to pay it.
I've gone to a Muay Thai class that was €8 per class. Aikido I think was €7/ €8.

From what I hear yoga/ pilates etc are usually more expensive than MA?
That's speaking very generally though!

arybvtcw0eolkf

That makes me feel a bit better Charlie, probably just me but ATM I'm finding even small increases in any expenditure hitting me hard (damned public service cutbacks).

How much are you paying for competitions?.

Off the top of my head I can't remember each individual competition but its never less than €20 entry fee.

Racy

I pay 80 a month but that includes gym membership. So I go four times a week for 4 weeks and thats a fiver a session

Niall Keane

Yea! fcuk those instructor guys!!! turning up every year in a brand new 7-series BMW. I hear even the juniour instructors still all got bonuses and a rise this year!!! They can do all this even when insurance has gone up and rent remained the same! the thieving brastards!!!
They should be forced to take a pay cut!!, in fact no they should be forced to hand their homes over to NAMA, and to provide us all with free private lessons on demand, as some of us are shift workers!!
That'll teach them, charging for hard earned knowledge... the cheek!

arybvtcw0eolkf

Niall Keane wrote: »

Yea! fcuk those instructor guys!!! turning up every year in a brand new 7-series BMW. I hear even the juniour instructors still all got bonuses and a rise this year!!! They can do all this even when insurance has gone up and rent remained the same! the thieving brastards!!!
They should be forced to take a pay cut!!, in fact no they should be forced to hand their homes over to NAMA, and to provide us all with free private lessons on demand, as some of us are shift workers!!
That'll teach them, charging for hard earned knowledge... the cheek!

Are you finished with your little off topic rant now or would you like time off to calm down and come back with the attitude and manner's expected from regular poster's here?.

Roper

We charge €80 a month. That gets you:

• BJJ classes
• mma classes
• muay thai classes
• conditioning classes
• a full strength and conditioning gym

It also pays 5 coaches

• a professional BJJ/MMA coach
• A professional Strength and Conditioning Coach
• A professional Muay Thai coach
• A professional kettlbell/strength coach

So I actually think we're pretty cheap, even in "these harsh economic times"! But I do understand people's budgetary constraints and as a government contractee I'm affected by the cuts to civil service pay myself. What we're finding however is that people are looking more for value than for cheapness. People are less likely to shell out for something that costs little but offers little too. We're actually doing okay because while what we offer might be a little more expensive than our competitiors, we are offerring a lot more.

beGood

I'm in Helsinki so it's not directly comparable but it might be interesting. There's no mat fee but instead an annual membership fee of 185€. This includes membership of the Finnish Judo Association, insurance and training seven days a week if one wishes. Also the club pays competition entry fees, which are around 20€ per competition so if one attends enough competitions then it's actually a saving!

Our club has some great coaches, the most notable a former European Champion and world championship bronze medallist. There are usually between 10-20 at the three main training sessions during the week so there's always plenty of training partners but to top it off many people from other clubs come to our Wednesday randori only session so it's always at a good level. For non-club members the Wednesday session is free but if members of other clubs want to regularly attend other training sessions in our club they have to pay an annual fee of 80€.

When I lived in Paris (2002-2003) there was also no mat fee, I paid club membership per trimester which worked out at 75€ X 3. Membership of the FFJDA was 30€ a year and for an extra euro one could buy insurance through the FFJDA. This allowed me to train five times a week under an 8 dan (now 9 dan) and with a tatami full of great partners. No doubt those prices have risen since then but I'm sure not by much.

Baggio...

I charge a tenner a class (one a week)... But we usually end up training for an extra hour on top of class time. If anyone of my students was strapped for cash (especially in this climate ) I'd definitely do something for them.

There is a charge of 25 Euro a year membership fee which goes to the Urban Combatives organization.

Jason Mc

We charge £30 Direct Debit a Month for unlimited

or £40 cash for unlimited

Sid_Justice

Odin Few Jackal wrote: »

For practice?.

In one Judo club I'm paying €5- mat fee's and another is charging €8.50.

On top of that is €60- Irish Judo Association membership annual fee & as I train x3 nights per week its all adding up.

So, how much are you paying/charging?.

i'd doubt there is anyone charging less than this per class. I'm surprised neither of those clubs have taken the pay monthly approach (although I prefer to PAYG).

I think the professional MMA gyms like Roper's are very good value if you actually train 4/5 times a week (obvoiusly better value if you train more often) but quickly come quite expensive if you can't make it to classes.

Niall Keane

Are you finished with your little off topic rant now or would you like time off to calm down and come back with the attitude and manner's expected from regular poster's here?.

Odin Few Jackal,

Didn’t mean it as a rant, just a bit of sarcastic humour based on the attitudes and topics of our times, I see in your original post you ask about "practice" I presume you mean free mat time? That is different. However this post has quickly become about "class" time, hence perhaps not only have I, but the thread seems to have drifted off topic?

Most fighter gyms I know, including my own charge about €2.50 (unwaged) - €5 an hour. My nephew currently pays €10 for each 15 minutes piano lesson. And that is considered cheap. Hence my sarcasm re. the 7 series BMW.

I stand over my sentiments however, if someone doesn't value the material being taught to them to the rate of €5 an hour, then you got to ask do they really care about it? Another instructor once put it to me that you got to look at the fact that you are charging less than a pint. He gave me an example of a guy who is a student but going out at weekends on the tear, what does that say? Where are his priorities?

Most instructors I know are far from greedy, quite the opposite at "off times" a charity! The majority work second jobs or rather the martial arts are their second job. Maybe I'm missing something, but beyond the McDojos are there actually reputable Coaches out there swindling hundreds a month from their students?

cowzerp

10 euro a class or 65 euro a month, this gets you at least 1 class a night and 2 most nights, plus 3 mornings Tue, Thurs, saturday , got rid of adults sundays as there was no demand for it.

Adults classes
Boxing classes, ladies only Boxing aswell.
MMA classes
BJJ classes
Striking classes, based on MMA

Kids pay 10 euro a week getting 3 Boxing and 2 MMA classes for that, thats 2 euro a session if they do all..

arybvtcw0eolkf

Niall Keane wrote: »

Makikomi,

Didn’t mean it as a rant, just a bit of sarcastic humour based on the attitudes and topics of our times, I see in your original post you ask about "practice" I presume you mean free mat time? That is different. However this post has quickly become about "class" time, hence perhaps not only have I, but the thread seems to have drifted off topic?

Its very simple, I was asking about prices people here are paying to train and nothing else.

As for your sarcastic humour, it flew right over my head. Some Mods might point you towards the humour forum, I wouldn't because I'd rather keep you contributing here and no where else.

Jeeze!.

Unpossible

At the moment we are 6€ for one class but for two a week its just 10€ total.

I'm moving to a new hall next week and will be changing the rates. I haven't worked it out yet but it will be not be more than 5€ per class.

Charlie3dan

Odin Few Jackal wrote: »

That makes me feel a bit better Charlie, probably just me but ATM I'm finding even small increases in any expenditure hitting me hard (damned public service cutbacks).

How much are you paying for competitions?.

Off the top of my head I can't remember each individual competition but its never less than €20 entry fee.

Our competitions are usually €15 entry but can be considerably more for some open tournaments.

I know what you mean though, we all appreciate the value of what we get but when we actually look at what we paying for training, competing, grading, doing courses, buying suits, washing suits, license/ membership......all adds up.

Gorman

Here in canada I pay $95 a month for BJJ (64euro), the gym is open everyday, lunchtime & evenings.
Judo is $240 for the year (160euro), there are three 2.5hr classes a week.

Makikomi - I don't think you'll ever be remembered for a sharp sense of humour

just-joe

Ah the joys of third level education - free judo/ju-jutsu (3 times a week), gym, circuit training, swimming pool plus other sports too..

I'm finishing soon though so definitely not looking forward to that aspect of joining the real world!

arybvtcw0eolkf

Gorman wrote: »

Makikomi - I don't think you'll ever be remembered for a sharp sense of humour

I couldn't give a toss.

Killme00

€80 a month. For that i get access to a strength and conditioning coach, weekly talks on Nutrition, cheap rates to seminars from the likes of Robert Drysdale, Rafael Mendez, Jim Wendler, Dan John. I also get as many classes in BJJ, Muay Thai, MMA and Wrestling as i can handle and an open mat any time i need it.

More important than all of the above it gets me unlimited abuse and access to a prowler.

Charlie3dan

Killme00 wrote: »

€80 a month. For that i get access to a strength and conditioning coach, weekly talks on Nutrition, cheap rates to seminars from the likes of Robert Drysdale, Rafael Mendez, Jim Wendler, Dan John. I also get as many classes in BJJ, Muay Thai, MMA and Wrestling as i can handle and an open mat any time i need it.

More important than all of the above it gets me unlimited abuse and access to a prowler.

Say if you are a new member and you just want to learn BJJ, can you do that? (As in, is the price different?)
Sorry I should probably address the question to Roper but your post was most recent.

Dave Joyce

I stand over my sentiments however, if someone doesn't value the material being taught to them to the rate of €5 an hour, then you got to ask do they really care about it? Another instructor once put it to me that you got to look at the fact that you are charging less than a pint. He gave me an example of a guy who is a student but going out at weekends on the tear, what does that say? Where are his priorities?

Agree wholeheartedly with Niall here, and I gotta say I don't know how many guys screwed me over the years training for free but been able to have regular "sessions" and I don't mean training:mad:

Anyway, membership is €40 per year, while beginners/kids/fitness classes are all €5 per class mostly twice per week. Fighters/advanced Muaythai classes are €50 per month which gives you 3 nights per week and an open class on Saturdays. We charge more for Atienza/Sayoc Kali classes €10 per class. Fighters have to buy IMC licence (only once not yearly) get a medical yearly and only pay for novice shows usually about €10 which I think is very good value.

Killme00

Charlie3dan wrote: »

Say if you are a new member and you just want to learn BJJ, can you do that? (As in, is the price different?)
Sorry I should probably address the question to Roper but your post was most recent.

The honest answer is i dont know, but any businessman who turns down money in this climate is a fool. I think there is a student rate for unlimited access though.

Either way i'm sure Barry will answer later

arybvtcw0eolkf

Niall Keane wrote: »

Most instructors I know are far from greedy, quite the opposite at "off times" a charity! The majority work second jobs or rather the martial arts are their second job. Maybe I'm missing something, but beyond the McDojos are there actually reputable Coaches out there swindling hundreds a month from their students?

Personally I've never trained under someone who I thought was ripping me off, and reading the thread it appears as though some people are getting remarkably good value, esp Killme who gets full time training facilities for, including classes etc for €80- per month.

Sorry about the early misunderstanding, your humor really did miss me by a country mile!.

Roper

Killme00 wrote: »

The honest answer is i dont know, but any businessman who turns down money in this climate is a fool. I think there is a student rate for unlimited access though.

Either way i'm sure Barry will answer later

Then I am a fool, obviously

No we don't have a special rate for just BJJ but I think 6 taught classes per week plus unlimited open mat time is worth €80 a month (€65 if you're student) For longer term guys we have a 6 monthly rate where the 6th month is free. The reason we don't do seperate fees is not to discourage people from just coming for one type of class, but because we really don't have the administration capacity to keep track of a variety of different pricing levels and rates. Believe it or not, there are people out there who would pay for BJJ only and then... wait for it... come to loads of other classes!!! Shocking! This is good value no matter what way you look at it though in my opinion. If I didn't work here I'd train here.

We also don't do per class rates which we've got stick for in the past. Why would I want someone who only wanted to pop in once a month to take away from people who are committed and pay for my attention every night of the month? We made it prohibitively expensive in the last place (well I thought it was) and we still got loads of people wanting to do it, starting from scratch once a month and taking away from time coaches could be spending on beginners who are going to be there for the long haul!

Rant over

yomchi

I charge €50 a months with an option to train three times a week. You pay €35 on joining which goes towards insurance/membership cards etc.

Not a bad rate to train with the best looking Taekwon-Do coach on the circuit

themandan6611

i pay 75 per month for 3 classes and access to weights/cardio facilities in city centre location

MaeveD

We're 79 euro membership per month (over 16's),
or
for 120 euro you can get a 10 class pass
or
drop in fee is 15 euro

Members can do any of the normal classes or open mats on the timetable... and use of all the equipment, bags, crosstrainer, gym area and knock the crap out of Brian the dummy

so we've got:

Per week - classes:
(5) Aikido (Ray 3rd dan and Stuart 1st dan)
(7) BJJ, Sub Grappling (Ray purple belt)
(2) Boxing & Kickboxing (with Italian Pro Champ Kickboxer Mauro Sulcis)
(1) Kettlebells (Mike Moloney certified instructor)
(1) Circuit Training (Ray & Mauro)
(1) MMA class (members only - Ray & Mauro 2 instructors)
(3) Open mat times

Teenagers: 12 to 16 year olds - 8 euro a class (monthly rate coming soon)
(1) BJJ class (Ray)
(1) Martial Arts Tricks/Block Boxing (Mauro)
(1) Boxing (Mauro)
(1) Kick Boxing (Mauro)

Courses:
Gracie Basics - Beginners BJJ is a 6 week course taught by 2 blue belts each class, you get 2 classes per week Tues and Thurs for 75 euro (65 euro if you sign up in January). Start any Tuesday or Thursday night and do your 6 weeks.

Aikido - Beginners 6 week course taught by an Aikido Blackbelt 75 euro (65 euro if you sign up for Januarys course).

Women's Self Defence called 'Reduce the Odds' - 6 week course (taught by 2 qualified instructors) 75 euro (65 euro for Januarys course)

Kettlebell Courses with Mike Moloney (can't remember the price offhand)

and hopefully Ashtanga Yoga and Judo classes coming soon...

Only extras are Association membership and grading fees for Aikido.

I'm sure theres more but I can't remember right now...

Boston

4 Yoyo's a year. I'm not a member of the IJA though I'm thinking of joining the BJA as they accept Irish Nationals.

I'll probably be paying 10 euro a session during the summer, depending on what club I can go to.

Charlie3dan

Roper wrote: »

Then I am a fool, obviously

No we don't have a special rate for just BJJ but I think 6 taught classes per week plus unlimited open mat time is worth €80 a month (€65 if you're student) For longer term guys we have a 6 monthly rate where the 6th month is free. The reason we don't do seperate fees is not to discourage people from just coming for one type of class, but because we really don't have the administration capacity to keep track of a variety of different pricing levels and rates. Believe it or not, there are people out there who would pay for BJJ only and then... wait for it... come to loads of other classes!!! Shocking! This is good value no matter what way you look at it though in my opinion. If I didn't work here I'd train here.

We also don't do per class rates which we've got stick for in the past. Why would I want someone who only wanted to pop in once a month to take away from people who are committed and pay for my attention every night of the month? We made it prohibitively expensive in the last place (well I thought it was) and we still got loads of people wanting to do it, starting from scratch once a month and taking away from time coaches could be spending on beginners who are going to be there for the long haul!

Rant over

Fair enough I just wondered if the option was available.
As you say, it's prohibitively expensive but there's nothing wrong with that if it's deliberate.
I do think it's great value for what you can get but you've got to take the package.

Roper

I understand where you're coming from, but you also have to remember that you're paying for a professional service, in a full time premises, with all the facilities you might expect (except for our showers which are late ) from a professional gym. We're not going to not show up one night because we were doing overtime, we're not going to not have a class because there's a parent/teacher meeting in the hall we train in and so on. I'm not slagging off part time coaches because I've been there, but just explaning where the extra premium comes in.

What we said when we started out pricing it was that if someone wanted to do, say Muay Thai, then all the rest would be free if you gather my meaning.

roneythetube

I pay 5 euro a class for each judo class (approx 90 minutes).
Top class coaching for a rock bottom price. Bargain! I always feel its too low given the excellent quality of the training. As I say each week to me coach - 'its the best 5 euro I spend all week'.

Baggio...

I would have to admit that I was pretty much over charged way back when I was doing traditional Martial Arts. There's always going to be a few guys, in any art out there, who overcharge you when they can get away with it. Onwards and upwards I say.

However from looking at this thread most people seem to be damn reasonable.

Roper

Personally I found with a lot of the so called traditional systems it wasn't the actual class fees that made the training expensive, it was the hidden extras, especially for those with young families involved. You paid for the organ grinder and pretty soon you discovered to "advance" you had to pay a bit for the monkey too.

Baggio...

Roper wrote: »

Personally I found with a lot of the so called traditional systems it wasn't the actual class fees that made the training expensive, it was the hidden extras, especially for those with young families involved. You paid for the organ grinder and pretty soon you discovered to "advance" you had to pay a bit for the monkey too.

Grading in a lot of those old systems was a complete rip and after each belt the price would go up and up. :mad:

yomchi

Baggio... wrote: »

Grading in a lot of those old systems was a complete rip and after each belt the price would go up and up. :mad:

Killer moves aint cheap dude

Compare that to what you can learn from someone who knows their stuff for practically zilch. The best coaches out there coach and teach because they love doing it, not because they love the money of it.

Baggio...

yomchi wrote: »

The best coaches out there coach and teach because they love doing it, not because they love the money of it.

Amen to that!

Unpossible

Roper wrote: »

Personally I found with a lot of the so called traditional systems it wasn't the actual class fees that made the training expensive, it was the hidden extras, especially for those with young families involved. You paid for the organ grinder and pretty soon you discovered to "advance" you had to pay a bit for the monkey too.

I was going to say that the next big question is how much the gradings/training camps are.

For the record, in Finland our gradings are up to 20€ per grading until brown belt, then its 30€, if you fail then you don't have to pay to repeat the exam, there are only 2 gradings per year. Our training camps are 25€ per camp and you only pay once per camp (so you can do the "self defence 1" camp 100 times, but will only have paid for it once). I'm negotiating to get a similar deal here in Ireland, whatever happens I'll make sure my students are getting a good deal.

Deisekickboxing

insurance Q?
included in fees
or
paid seperately with membership

joepenguin

fiver a session or 30 for the month for 5 one hour session a week.
That set up of ropers sounds like good value for someone into their training and would be paying for ma classes and a gym membership anyway.

I dont mind instructors charging for gradings. Usually the instructor takes time out of their sunday or whatever and its only fair. Now i know its a system that is abused as a money spinner but for genuine guys its only fair.
The price rising as the grades goes up is the norm but daft.

Boston

I don't think its fair to compare the prices charged by an instructor for grading who coaches a couple nights a week mainly for their own enjoyment and an instructor whose trying to make a living out of it.

Baggio...

Boston wrote: »

I don't think its fair to compare the prices charged by an instructor for grading whoaw coaches a couple nights a week mainly for their own enjoyment and an instructor whose trying to make a living out of it.

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with any instructor charging for a grading whether he or she is a professional or not. What I object to is paying astronomical fees that go up geometrically per belt.

I wont go into details, but I've known students who've payed hundreds of pounds (pounds not euros mind) for their black belt - not to mention all those previous belts which are not too cheap either.

Boston

Jaysus.

Dyr

Where I train is a tenner a class and the membership costs etc are probably steep compared to some places, but the instructors arent making any money off it and are also paying for some things out of their own pockets so I've no problem with it and I think anyone who does is free to go elsewhere rather than moan about it.

mooeire

I was paying a tenner a class for kickboxing, which worked out at 80 squid a month for 8 hrs training..... Not the best of deals really

nobbo

€0.00 yearly:P

cowzerp

Baggio... wrote: »

I wont go into details, but I've known students who've payed hundreds of pounds (pounds not euros mind) for their black belt - not to mention all those previous belts which are not too cheap either.

I done personal training with a girl who earned her black belt but would not recieve it without payment and it was about 500 she had to pay and she could not punch or kick to be quite frank!
this was a dublin kickboxing club so there is a case straight away.

poconnor16

cowzerp wrote: »

I done personal training with a girl who earned her black belt but would not recieve it without payment and it was about 500 she had to pay and she could not punch or kick to be quite frank!
this was a dublin kickboxing club so there is a case straight away.

I had to pay 170 pounds (back in the day) for my 1st Dan in karate - imagine what it is now? I do feel though that this association turned into a bit of a McDojo......they were trying to push me for 3rd Dan after a ten year absence and 1 year of training? I wouldn't insult ACTUAL 3rd Dans.....:rolleyes:

Toes

i pay 8 queen quids per bjj class. It is very good value considering the amount of effort the instructor puts into it. Classes are between 2.5-3hrs and you learn a lot.

Also, to be fair the gym is in the city centre and im assuming rent costs a lot and id say any profit he gets from it is well earned.

I also do 1 judo class a week at 8 sheets a class. Its fair enough but i hear ye.. It really does add up like

Danye

Roper wrote: »

We charge €80 a month. That gets you:

• BJJ classes
• mma classes
• muay thai classes
• conditioning classes
• a full strength and conditioning gym

It also pays 5 coaches

• a professional BJJ/MMA coach
• A professional Strength and Conditioning Coach
• A professional Muay Thai coach
• A professional kettlbell/strength coach

So I actually think we're pretty cheap, even in "these harsh economic times"! But I do understand people's budgetary constraints and as a government contractee I'm affected by the cuts to civil service pay myself. What we're finding however is that people are looking more for value than for cheapness. People are less likely to shell out for something that costs little but offers little too. We're actually doing okay because while what we offer might be a little more expensive than our competitiors, we are offerring a lot more.

Thats great value, I might drop out and have a look at your place during the week....looks very impressive.