lipotrim?

katcha

hey, so unfortunately I am 22yrs old and morbidly obese (always had probs with my weight). however things have gotten way outta control since moving in my my bf. Im now about 19 stone. I fell rotten, unhealthy, unattractive and very depressed. My bf is very supportive and we have tried to diet together before but to no avail!

I really feel that I need an all out option, and have heard about lipotrim( I think thats how its spelt!) and I am seriously considering it, just wondering if anyone else has tried it or can give me any advice or your opinions about it?

thanks all, finally hoping to really do something about this! its really getting me down.

Boston

Here is a 44 page thread on it. Bad stuff by all accounts.

EileenG

It is only recommended if you are clinically obese, but although it works short term, and if you are prone to allergies, it will help you find them, it has a very high failure rate. Many people lose weight quickly on Lipotrim, but put it back very fast when they come off it.

Have you tried low carb? It isn't suitable for everyone, but it does tend to produce fast fat loss with less hunger than other diets, and you can do it with your boyfriend. The sort of food you eat on low carb (eggs, fish, meat, lots of green veg, olive oil etc, no sugar or bread or pasta) go down well with most men.

Also, I highly recommend you watch a couple of programmes of "How to look good naked". Most women are far too hard on ourselves, and think the world is out there criticising our bodies.

Sapsorrow

If you are morbidly obese you need to see your doctor first and then more than likely a qualified nutritionist who specialises in obesity or a dietician.
The lipotrim may help you lose a few pounds or few stone, but it'll never get to the root of your problem and certainly won't provide a long term solution.
Finding the solution will require your educating yourself and possibly working closely with a professional to try and understand why and how you got overweight in the first place, how to get back to the way you were and how to stay there in the future. A diet supplement like lipotrim certainly can't do that for you while it may be a useful aspect of overcoming the situation it will never be the complete solution.

jdivision

OP post what you eat and your alcohol intake and posters will help. I didn't try lipotrim but tried fat burners in pill form, ended up heavier cos i didn't learn to change habits. have lost loads of weight since I learnt how to eat properly. You also should go for walks together, at a fast pace.

Getwellsoon

Come on over to the food diary forum, people on there will really help you with what you eat. Keeping track of it and getting people to advise is a great way to motivate yourself. You can also pick up ideas from other people's diaries on what kinds of meals you should be making, and how much you should be eating and when. Dieting takes a lot of control and a great deal of planning, so a diary, whether on paper or online, is a great way of going about it. When you write down what you eat, you can really see where you're going wrong and it will make you even more determined to succeed. I don't think diet pills are the way to go. I've tried a couple different kinds in the past and they never worked for me. All they did was cost me money. No matter how much you don't want to hear it, weight loss is only really successful when you combine a healthy diet with exercise. It's making small, permanent changes and sticking to them that works. It really does have to be a lifestyle change.... at first it might seem hard, but when you get into the swing of things and wean yourself off all the crap you've been eating, you do start to feel amazing and wonder how you ever ate all that rubbish. Trust me - start recording what you eat, upping the exercise a little more (even if it's just walking a little bit more than normal instead of taking the bus/car), and make sure you fill up on healthy food so you don't go looking for unhealthy snacks. Find some healthy foods that you love - doesn't have to be dry rice cakes and lettuce, it can be VERY enjoyable!!

Good luck!

rubadub

Getwellsoon wrote: »

I don't think diet pills are the way to go.

+1

and just remember the rules guys

neuro-praxis wrote: »

4.
There will be zero-tolerance of any pro-ana topics, discussions of pharmaceutical weight-loss aids or crash dieting. This forum is to promote healthy and varied eating - not to advise you in how to drop a stone in a week.

I would advise you read all of this thread about lipotrim http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055070944

I have not closed this thread since there is good advice and warnings against lipotrim & pills and I do not want to katcha to feel unwelcome here.

katcha

hey all!

thanks for your advice! my boyfriend and I went to tesco today did a healthy shop n both bought diaries to record what we eat day one went great! we also threw out all our crisps and sweets ect. and another plus he's even talking about cooking himself now ..!!

thanks again ill let ya know how we get on!

Pembily

katcha wrote: »

hey all!

thanks for your advice! my boyfriend and I went to tesco today did a healthy shop n both bought diaries to record what we eat day one went great! we also threw out all our crisps and sweets ect. and another plus he's even talking about cooking himself now ..!!

thanks again ill let ya know how we get on!

Thuas maith leat na hoibre!!!

A good start is half the battle and if you have your boyfriend helping that is even better :)

If you want ANY healthy low fat recipes just ask away - everyone is very helpful and as you have chosen the better / long road you will feel the benefits much more :)

BEST OF LUCK

jdivision

Yep, well done. but do post here. What you think is healthy may well be and vice versa. Believe me I ate "healthy" for years and put on about a stone a year. Now I'm eating stuff that everybody looks at and goes "but isn't that fattening" and I'm losing weight.

Ciaran500

katcha wrote: »

hey all!

thanks for your advice! my boyfriend and I went to tesco today did a healthy shop n both bought diaries to record what we eat day one went great! we also threw out all our crisps and sweets ect. and another plus he's even talking about cooking himself now ..!!

thanks again ill let ya know how we get on!

As jd says, definitely post a food diary. Most food with healthy on the label are terrible for loosing weight.

corkcomp

katcha wrote: »

hey all!

thanks for your advice! my boyfriend and I went to tesco today did a healthy shop n both bought diaries to record what we eat day one went great! we also threw out all our crisps and sweets ect. and another plus he's even talking about cooking himself now ..!!

thanks again ill let ya know how we get on!

fair play! and wlel done on chosing the more healthy weight loss option! remember it will take a little time but much better in the long run

metamorphosis

Well done on the food shopping OP.

My mother went and did lipotrim - lost 2 stone and has put on that 2 stone again PLUS another. Not a nice place to be in.

Slwo and steady. Why lose weight of you are not going to be healthy? Do it right. You seem to have a good outlook. Very best of luck. Keep us updated.

Bottle_of_Smoke

It appears to me like a militant version of weightwatchers.

Just like the afforementioned, any weight you lose will be put back on 90% of the time.

You are extremely heavy. Unless you also happen to be 6'4.(actually what height are you?)

I'd go with Atkins diet. You don't lose lean tissue on it so the gaining weight when your diet becomes normal isn't as likely. Its also trashed really unfairly by the media.

dublingal80

well done op for buying your healthy food and getting a diary! the two of you have to stick together cos the minute one of you starts to eat bad, so will the other. Lipotrim is awful. friend of mine did it, lost weight, but had to stop has the headaches and nausea was so bad. a year later all the weight is back on, plus more

I would recommend you to download the biggest loser. Its a show in america about people who are extremely overweight, losing weight and the "biggest loser" wins money. people on it can be over 30stone and they lose SO much weight. They are an inspriation

you can do it! best of luck

Bottle_of_Smoke

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

It appears to me like a militant version of weightwatchers.

What nonsense!!!!
How is a liquid food replacement diet with starvation levels of calories, a version of what is essentially a calorie counting program.

OP Sparkpeople.com has lots of resources you might find helpful.

Sapsorrow

Moonbaby wrote: »

What nonsense!!!!
How is a liquid food replacement diet with starvation levels of calories, a version of what is essentially a calorie counting program.

Agreed and weight watchers (as far as it is from an ideal approach to weight loss and good nutrition) is only a really bad thing when people use it in a way so as to continue eating whatever junk generally makes people obese in the first place as long as it doesn't everstep their daily allowance of points regardless of how nutrient deificient they are! even that said the odds are someone on weight watchers is still eating some actual food in a day not jsut a liquid formulation of protein powders and synthetic vitamins and minerals!

rubadub

Moonbaby wrote: »

How is a liquid food replacement diet with starvation levels of calories, a version of what is essentially a calorie counting program.

I think that is what he meant, that it is just a more extreme version of calorie counting/portion control -rather than some diets which might be sort of "eat what you want -but only these foods" -WW does have that zero point thing too though so is kind of a cross.

Many peoples problem is portion control, they simply have no idea how to fuel themselves, but people who have this problem who can manage to stick to extreme diets like lipotrim since the portions are controlled. It also has that sickening pseudo-pharmaceutical marketing about it, so people are treating it like a drug, they might find it easier to stick to controlled portions as they view it like a sort of prescription drug which must be strictly adhered to, it is not like nicking another biscuit from the tin, its doctors orders.

WW is a seemingly simple way of applying decent portion control too, I prefer calorie counting, its on all the packs already so no need to calculate -you can see from the WW thread the difficulty people have figuring out points on the supposedly easy system. Of course WW works and is suited to many, I think esp. women like the group meeting thing, you can see 95%+ of posters in the WW thread are women. Men do not talk about dieting as much to each other, take out a can of diet coke and they get ridiculed :rolleyes:

Bottle_of_Smoke

Moonbaby wrote: »

What nonsense!!!!
How is a liquid food replacement diet with starvation levels of calories, a version of what is essentially a calorie counting program.

OP Sparkpeople.com has lots of resources you might find helpful.

They're both based on taking in far too little calories. They both lead to people being fatter than they were in the first place. They both cause loss of lean tissue.

Ones just (a lot)more extreme than the other as far as i can see.

rubadub

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

They're both based on taking in far too little calories. They both lead to people being fatter than they were in the first place. They both cause loss of lean tissue.

I have several issues with WW, the bias against saturate fat in the forumla, and the lack of nutritional instruction khrystyna100 mentioned, but I did hear the "leaders" do give some advice, and the "zero point" foods encourage more healthy eating. I have never calculated my own points allowance but I did not think it would be "far too little calories". The often recommended fat loss is 1-2lb a week, in theory 2lb per week loss would be a daily deficit of 1000kcal, I would not go over 500kcal myself, and would rather make up that deficit by a combination of less food and more exercise. But WW do have a exercise/point thing where you gain points if you exercise, so do encourage it that way.

My other problem with WW is the emphasis on "weight", probably more suited to women, and fairly outdated thought. I remained around 12 stone for over a year but lost fat while building muscle (both slowly), WW would have turfed me out. The little britain sketch "fat fighters" is a far better mentality! focus on fat loss, not weight loss.

I don't think lean tissue need be lost on WW, but I do not hear emphasis/encouragement put on keeping it. I have read that overweight people have a naturally higher amount of muscle anyway, they need it to lug around the weight, so when losing fat it would make sense to lose some muscle along with it -of course some might overdo it and be yo-yo dieting no matter what they try. I would highly advise taking up resistance exercise to keep this extra muscle you have due to being overwieght, it increases your metabolism and being stronger has many advantages in daily life.

Pembily

I was extremely heavy as Bottle of Smoke said about the Katcha, I tried a few different things (did Herbalife - similar to Lipotrim as Lipotrim didn’t exist then) and nothing worked!!!

I was not fit, I ate healthy food, just too much and I ate junk, but I still ate healthy dinners and stuff - I didn’t live on take always!!! I was 14st 13lb when I joined WW in May 2005, which at 5ft 6in gave me a BMI of 33.5 which meant I was OBESE whether or not you agree with BMI I was overweight and tired of it. I joined WW, initially I did the pointing but kinda didn’t like the whole idea I could live on mars bars once I stayed in my points yet chilli con carne was very high (due to kidney beans and corn), so I went on no count or zero point as rubadub says!!!! I loved it, it changed my way of eating dramatically, making me realise I can't live on chocolate all day no matter what I do... I have since lost 60lb with WW, I was never starved with it, I was never faint from not eating, and I was always full and satisfied.

The point system while not the healthiest way is the best way for some people... Most people while they may start out eating only mars bars (exaggerated I know) change when they see how many points are in something (a pot noodle has 8pts - I could only have 2.5 a day)!! WW leaders advocate healthy eating, the magazines you get always give healthy recipes and say you need to drink lots of water and eat lots of fruit and veg. Yes they use sweeteners but that’s not the worst!!!!

Some people like treats on a daily basis and points allow this, please don't knock WW until you have tried it and come out the other side slimmer and happier!!!!

In my opinion WW is WAY better than lipotrim - it changes your mindset into the amount you can eat and reduces portion size, Lipotrim is about a quick fix and from someone who knows - quick fixes don't work with weight loss - the quicker it comes off the quicker it goes back on!!!

Sapsorrow

I think the best thing about weight watchers is the moral support already mentioned, it's extremely important to a lot of people who otherwise have no interest or involvement in anything nutrition related. It makes it fun for people too at a time which could otherwise be a completely miserable and alienating experience, like making new friends and having a laugh at meetings.
In theory it's very good as it provides a clear cut and easy to follow method to get portion size control down without needing a degre in nutrition but
I still think it's easy for some people use it in a misguided way in terms of nutritional adequacy. But then again who's to say that their aim is to be super healthy maybe they only want to lose weight and that's their choice and right not necessarily a a flax in the system itself.

Grace123

Hey,

I'm just about to start the Lipotrim Diet does anyone have any feedback on it thanks!

menoscemo

How's about reading the thread before you post on it?

Shinners13

Well i just want to say that i did Weight Watchers for over a year and had brilliant results.
I can only speak from my own experience but weight watchers is not really simply a calorie counting exercise.
In my experience i was constantly encouraged to eat fruit, veg, dairy and meat and informed of how important it was for our bodies to have the nutrients from these foods on a daily basis. We were encouraged to hydrate our bodies with water too which is very important.
Exercise wise there is a big push that no matter how fit or unfit you are that you need to do exercise no matter how little you start out and that to build up on it on a weekly basis as fitness increases. The motto was to try to fit it in as many days as you could and in whatever way suited you best be it a walk, a swim, the gym etc.
They didnt discourage anyone having a treat because the reality is that for most of us if we dont let ourselves have a odd square of choc or biccie we will lose motivation and they simply encouraged that you look at your 3 meals a day and tried to have filling healthy meals without too much fat/calories in them so as you can have the odd treat without ruining your overall result.
Also by looking at what you eat during the day and knowing that you are having this treat and still accomplishing your aims for the day gives you satisfaction in enjoying it rather than guilt as soon as you have it.
For me the guilt of eating something you know you shouldnt would make me continue eating crap cos i would feel crappy!!!
Anyways sorry for the big story but i just didnt want weight watchers to be labelled as a less extreme version of lipotrim as it most certainly is not!!!
If anyone wants some motivation also i would suggest going on the ww website and reading the success stories on there!! They are all people who lost their weight slowly but surely and kept it off!!