95 pajero

edsboy

Hey,

Thinking of buying 95 pajero for hacking around in nothing very heavy. Is there anything I should look for. Also I'm thinking of buying a snorkel and winch for it. Any ideas how much they cost?

Thanks

colm_mcm

I bought a 95 2.8 before Christmas.

Bear in mind they weigh over 2000kg, they're good to tow, I'm just wondering if less would do you? I get around 25mpg open road and 20mpg elsewhere.

The 2.5 is even worse and is slower.

edsboy

Any suggestions?

cruiser178

edsboy wrote: »

Any suggestions?

ya,if the mpg is that bad in the pajero get yourself a landcruiser amazon td.The old pajeros are 10 a penny.The lc A holds their value and are very reliable.Even in this extrime cold weather mine starts every morning on a quater turn of a key.Mpg not bad either,saw one in the done deal lately for 4000,nice jeep,lots of fun(but must be commerical,tax reasons).
EDIT mine is 1991 btw http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055602635&page=3

CJhaughey

They are not really comparable, the 80 series is a LOT bigger than the Paj.
the 90 series would be a more comparable vehicle, plenty of them around much more common than the 80 series here.

edsboy

nice machine cruiser but tbh its too big for what i'd want it for.

fonecrusher1

If you insist on getting a pajero, get the 2.8 td. Its superior to the 2.5 in every department & they have pretty much the same fuel economy.

CJhaughey

Go for a SWB LC 90 series, plenty about and money not too bad now
Not much to go wrong and a lot more grunt than the weedy paj 2.5

edsboy

Fair enough, if not a paj any other alternatives? Defender??????? budget is pretty tight

fonecrusher1

edsboy wrote: »

Fair enough, if not a paj any other alternatives? Defender??????? budget is pretty tight

As CJhaughey has said the SWB Landcruiser 90 is very good 4x4. Its has a pretty powerful 3.0 td. I have the same engine in my own car (hilux surf) & its been bulletproof in the time ive had it. The Pajero is meant to be better at towing but the toyota has slightly better fuel economy.

Other alternatives; Toyota Hilux Surf, Isuzu Trooper (3.1td), Land Rover Discovery.

Landcruiser 80 series & Nissan patrol's are huge cars so i dont think you would be interested in either.

cruiser178

edsboy wrote: »

nice machine cruiser but tbh its too big for what i'd want it for.

Are you a man or a mouse(only joking)had mine out today in these very bad conditions and the lc a,, are full time 4 wheel drive.The most saftly machine i've ever driven.Btw i have many tickets (licenses)to drive extreme big machines (its my job)would never drive anything else,but thats just my opinion.

edsboy

yea Hilux surf keeps popping up alot might be worth a look. I guess it'll all come down to budget at the end .

You're very harsh on me cruiser

cruiser178

edsboy wrote: »

yea Hilux surf keeps popping up alot might be worth a look. I guess it'll all come down to budget at the end .

You're very harsh on me cruiser

I suppose im just like one of those mormon fellas,landcruiser 4.2 td for life,because thats how long they last. If your near limerick soon give me a shout,will give you test drive..once you go cruiser you wont go back. lolololo

fonecrusher1

The problem with hilux surf's is that they are pretty rare in this country.
Also i should warn you i own a 3rd gen surf (1996 - 02) which is quite different to the older 2nd gen surf (1990 - 95). The latter is based on the old school pick-up hilux & although a great 4x4 is a bit less refined than the later version.
Also the 2.4td in the 2nd gen has been known to have chronic cylinder head problems so beware.
The 3.0 td is solid.

Btw the toyota surf has the option of using 2wd, saves on diesel.:)

pajero12

Dont put yourself off the 2.5.We had one up to abut 2 years ago.It was a 96.Serious yoke to pull and not that sluggish at all!We regularly pulled 120 bags of meal on the back of it and really you wouldnt know that kind of weight was behind it!Its nearly a better yoke to pull than the 3.2 we have now.Think there pretty cheap too

cruiser178

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

The problem with hilux surf's is that they are pretty rare in this country.
Also i should warn you i own a 3rd gen surf (1996 - 02) which is quite different to the older 2nd gen surf (1990 - 95). The latter is based on the old school pick-up hilux & although a great 4x4 is a bit less refined than the later version.
Also the 2.4td in the 2nd gen has been known to have chronic cylinder head problems so beware.
The 3.0 td is solid.

Btw the toyota surf has the option of using 2wd, saves on diesel.:)

Good post,this is not my 1st 2nd or 3rd time hearing this about the cylnder head on the surf,if your buying one,make sure you know what your buying,ie bring a mechanic

mossfort

pajero12 wrote: »

Dont put yourself off the 2.5.We had one up to abut 2 years ago.It was a 96.Serious yoke to pull and not that sluggish at all!We regularly pulled 120 bags of meal on the back of it and really you wouldnt know that kind of weight was behind it!Its nearly a better yoke to pull than the 3.2 we have now.Think there pretty cheap too

i agree 100% . most of the pajeros from 91 to 96 in ireland are 2.5.
plenty of farmers and horse owners use them to pull heavy loads and i,ve had one myself in the past and never found it to be lacking in pulling power.
if its a 2.5 or 2.8 it wont make much difference when overtaking etc because none of them are going to throw u back in your seat.

edsboy

Nice one fonecrusher thats good to know as the 2nd gen 2.4 would have been what i would have gone for. 2wd is an interseting option too.

If I travel to see one in Lmk I'll be giving you a shout cruiser.

Good to hear that paj. ques for ya. would you buy the 95 one again?

edsboy

mossfort wrote: »

i agree 100% . most of the pajeros from 91 to 96 in ireland are 2.5.
plenty of farmers and horse owners use them to pull heavy loads and i,ve had one myself in the past and never found it to be lacking in pulling power.
if its a 2.5 or 2.8 it wont make much difference when overtaking etc because none of them are going to throw u back in your seat.

yea not too bothered bout speed and if it'll pull 120 bags of ration it prob has grunt enough for me.

fonecrusher1

Heres my 3rd gen surf. She's actually clean in this pic.:D

edsboy

nice, what kind of tyres are on it?

fonecrusher1

edsboy wrote: »

nice, what kind of tyres are on it?

265/75 R16 Kumho KL71 Mud-Terrains. They're about a 32" diameter tyre & its ridiculous the amount of mud they will get you through.:D
Could have got more conventional all-terrains but hey what the hell???:cool:

vibe666

pajero12 wrote: »

Dont put yourself off the 2.5.We had one up to abut 2 years ago.It was a 96.Serious yoke to pull and not that sluggish at all!We regularly pulled 120 bags of meal on the back of it and really you wouldnt know that kind of weight was behind it!Its nearly a better yoke to pull than the 3.2 we have now.Think there pretty cheap too

i spent about 3 months looking at pajero's before i finally bought one and having driven both 2.5's and 2.8's the difference in acceleration is significant.

the only thing the 2.5 has going for it against the 2.8 is that it runs better on biofuels than the 2.8 and is less likely to give you problems with the fuel pump seals.

that said, pulling power is never going to be an issue with either engine, they both have a monstrous amount of power for towing, you'd hardly know you had anything behind you and in weather like this the superselect 4WD is a godsend.

comfort wise, look for a jap import 2.8L Pajero Exceed (exceed is the fancy model) with low mileage and service history and you should be golden. I'm a regular on several pajero forums and there's guys on there with Paj's with 300-400K on them and still going.

the biggest problem with the 2.8's is the fuel pump seal issue which is characterized by lumpy idle and a very lumpy cold start followed by cutting out 100 yards or so down the road and not starting till you've been turning it over for 5 minutes to warm up the engine. luckily, most of them have 2 huge batteries in them so you can turn them over for ages without running out of juice. there's not many cars you can keep turning over to warm the engine up!

replacement pump seals will cost you about 10 quid, but fitting them could be anything from a couple of hundred euro up to 500 or more as its at least a half days work for a mechanic to get to where the seals are and then put everything back together again.

i got my 96 2.8L exceed off ebay in the UK from a guy in Liverpool. i paid a deposit, got it checked out by carcheckers.co.uk and when they gave it a clean bill of health i flew over and paid the rest in cash and bought her home on the ferry. that's about 2 years ago and she's still the best car I've ever owned and there's been plenty (new and old). i've driven land cruisers in Oz too and I wouldn't swap her for one and i fully intend to look after her and drive her for the rest of her natural life.

yes, fuel economy is a bitch (around 22-25mpg per tankful) , but she's just such a great car, you could forgive her for anything.

pajero12

edsboy wrote: »

Good to hear that paj. ques for ya. would you buy the 95 one again?

Oh definitely,were buying a new jeep in the next few weeks and was in the same place we bought our current jeep.Was looking around the lot and in the corner of my eye i spotted this white pajero down in the corner.Never thought id see it again never mind looking so well.If shes still there when i get these exams out of the way ill definately buy it!
As for the acceleration comment there not too many machines that pull 3 tonne no bother,that will push you back into your seat when you put the boot to the floor:)

colm_mcm

if you're only looking for something to hack around in then a 90's Vitata 2.0d might be an option?

macshadow

there is a nice 92 landcruiser on www.donedeal.ie for 1500, add is 27 days old so might be gone.

colm_mcm

Don't see it.

macshadow

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1088117
there is a 1990 one as well but needing some engine work.

mossfort

its a passenger so the road tax would be high but it could be converted to commercial.

colm_mcm

a 92 Cruiser is a generation behind a 92 Pajero. they've been around since 1984, so by 1992 they were very old.

There also isn't as much availability of parts for a 70 series as there would for a Pajero and I gan't think of any area where it would be better.

CJhaughey

^ what Colm said, plus that looks like the 2-LTE engine which can give cooling trouble.
I wouldn't chance one TBH. I am not a Pajero fan but there are more around so your chances of getting a better Paj then 70 series is higher, plus 2nd hand parts are also available especially in the UK where the Shogun(Pajero) was a big seller.

colm_mcm

what's your budget OP?

I have a mint December 95 Shogun 2.8 GLS LWB (which I just got and converted to commercial) that I might sell if the price was right. It's in a different league to the ones on sale in this country (which is why I imported in the first place)