Educo Gym - Nationwide RTE

Goldigga

I was flicking around the channels last night when i came across that programme nationwide on RTE. The guy was introducing a segment about getting fit after piling on the pounds over Christmas.

They showed a girl attending her local gym and embarking on a program to lose 1.5 stone. I couldnt believe my eyes when the gym they were using was an educo gym.

The instructor explained how the girl would lose 1 stone over the following 12 days by attending the gym once every day for 12 days. 15 minutes each day.

this radical approach cannot ne maintained long term. Obviously a lot of people will watch this and be sucked in by the rapid weight loss that they say can be achieved.

This can't be healthy and i think it is irresponsible of RTE to promote this type of program for long term health and fitness!!
For anyone that missed the show, it is available here http://www.rte.ie/news/nationwide/

G86

Aye, saw that myself. I'm surprised 'educo gym' isn't a banned word on here at this stage, everyone knows it's a load of crock, but to be honest if people who get sucked into it don't have the cop on to go and educate themselves properly on their health then they only have themselves to blame.

The Davestator

G86 wrote: »

Aye, saw that myself. I'm surprised 'educo gym' isn't a banned word on here at this stage, everyone knows it's a load of crock, but to be honest if people who get sucked into it don't have the cop on to go and educate themselves properly on their health then they only have themselves to blame.

I dont agree with you on that part of your post. Normal joe soaps get bombarded with information on the net, magazines etc. and dont know what to believe. If they see something on the national broadcaster, they will assume that rte have done the research and go with that.

In the same way; i'm sure you dont go on the net before you go to the dentist to make sure they are going to give you the treatment the net says.

I'm furious that rte used educo gym - going to lead a lot of people astray

celestial

The Davestator wrote: »

I dont agree with you on that part of your post. Normal joe soaps get bombarded with information on the net, magazines etc. and dont know what to believe. If they see something on the national broadcaster, they will assume that rte have done the research and go with that.

In the same way; i'm sure you dont go on the net before you go to the dentist to make sure they are going to give you the treatment the net says.

I'm furious that rte used educo gym - going to lead a lot of people astray

I wouldn't be furious - would you expect the likes of RTE to know any better?

At the end of the day, if it gets people up off the couch and into a lifestyle where working out is enjoyable and something they can look forward to doing then I have no major complaints.

Brady

Anything "Educo" is a crock of sh1t... ive had first hand experience!

dolliemix

I was half watching this last night as well. To be honest I didn't realise it was an educo gym.

I agree with OP - that girl was losing a lot of weight very rapidly which surely can't be good. The elasticity in the skin in itself couldn't keep up with that - so surely the internal organs would be having difficulty as well?

Brady

I didnt see the show, but i know the loosing weight is greatly helped by huge cash required also with this programme for supplipments..

dolliemix wrote: »

I was half watching this last night as well. To be honest I didn't realise it was an educo gym.

I agree with OP - that girl was losing a lot of weight very rapidly which surely can't be good. The elasticity in the skin in itself couldn't keep up with that - so surely the internal organs would be having difficulty as well?

d-sher

I fear that this poor girl will hit an all time low by April or May (or much sooner) when she realises the complete unsustainability of this programme.

Goldigga

I realize that most people on here know Educo is a waste of time and money, but there are lots of people out there that will be thinking if RTE are doing a segment on it, then it must be legit and provide a good service!!

Either they are very naieve in there or someone just didnt do their homework!

G86

The Davestator wrote: »

I dont agree with you on that part of your post. Normal joe soaps get bombarded with information on the net, magazines etc. and dont know what to believe. If they see something on the national broadcaster, they will assume that rte have done the research and go with that.

In the same way; i'm sure you dont go on the net before you go to the dentist to make sure they are going to give you the treatment the net says.

I'm furious that rte used educo gym - going to lead a lot of people astray

To the contrary actually, I'm currently seeing a dentist in Kildare because I researched the work I needed done, went to a few dentists to see which was the best, and then based my informeddecision on that.

Brady

In fairness, the Educo people have entire "recruitment type" centres blasting out information on Educo products, unfortunately to their benefit and most peoples demise they have the power of many people over one. When 20+ People are telling you how brilliant your life can be and how awesome thier life is now after useing these products / serivces its very hard to disagree.....

This latest stint by RTE will unfortunately boost thier selling capability! :mad:

Goldigga wrote: »

I realize that most people on here know Educo is a waste of time and money, but there are lots of people out there that will be thinking if RTE are doing a segment on it, then it must be legit and provide a good service!!

Either they are very naieve in there or someone just didnt do their homework!

TommyKnocker

Hi All

IMHO possibly a lot of folks do their due dilligence and look for information on how to lose weight. However I also think that a lot of these folks are looking for the "quick fix" rather then looking to make the life style changes required to achieve and maintain the goal weight/fitness level/size/etc.

I remember reading a thread on here a while back about some hebal stuff sold by a shop in Dublin which was supposed to be a appatite suppressant, but which had crazy side effects which were listed on the thread. Amazingly foks were still asking if this crap were available and where they coudl get it.

This is why schemes like these attract folks. The offer and mostly achieve a drastic weight reduction in a short time frame. The folks that get sucked into these type of schemes don't seem to think past the time frame stated by these schemes and don't understand that it's not sustainable and what will happen when they stop this regime.

So the stop, put on weight and then go back to the scheme as it worked so well from them previouusly and the vicious circle continues.


Best Regards,

M

Patto

Just to clarify, it is possible to lose 14lb in 12 days in a somewhat healthy manner, just about, on a high protein very low carb diet. At least 11lb of that 14lb however will consist of water, glycogen (carbohydrate stores in your muscles) and reduced food in the gut. The remaining 2-3lb will be a combination of muscle wastage and fat loss, mostly fat loss if you eat enough protein. Its not unhealthy at all if you know what you are doing. The best i've ever done is 11lb in 12 days. I'm already quite lean so I'd have less scope for greater losses than someone who is more overweight.

2-3lbs of fat loss in 12 days is stunning. 14lb of weight loss in 12 days is a smoke screen.

Check out Lyle McDonalds Rapid fat loss, the velocity diet, the get shredded diet or the warp speed fat loss. I use Lyle's RFL as at least you get to eat real food. http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/the-rapid-fat-loss-handbook

eclectichoney

She lost 4 stone over the 6 weeks though (apparently!), which sounded pretty incredible. I could understand the initial water weight loss, but really was puzzled by the 'apparent' continuation of it!

Patto

4 stone is 56lb. 56lb of fat contains 56x456x9=229824cal of energy

over 6 weeks = 42 days that is 29824/42=a 5472cal deficiet per day

An elephant running a marathon every day wouldn't burn that much energy.

TommyKnocker

Patto wrote: »

4 stone is 56lb. 56lb of fat contains 56x456x9=229824cal of energy

over 6 weeks = 42 days that is 29824/42=a 5472cal deficiet per day

An elephant running a marathon every day wouldn't burn that much energy.

LOL:D

Nobody said it was 4st loss of body fat.

*** Statement below Edited (edits in bold) ***

Not sure if Educo guarantees fat loss. I think it makes statements about weight loss!!! Big difference

So this 4st weight loss will be water loss, muscle loss & fat loss.


M

corkcomp

B-Builder wrote: »

LOL:D


Educo does not guarantee fat loss. It makes statements about weight loss!!! Big difference



M

where did you read that? Im not pro educo in any way, quite the opposite but they DO claim fat loss and even muscle gain rather then weight loss

TommyKnocker

corkcomp wrote: »

where did you read that? Im not pro educo in any way, quite the opposite but they DO claim fat loss and even muscle gain rather then weight loss

I have to confess I did not read that anywhere. I just cannot believe that it is possible to produce a 14lb body fat loss in 12 days. Therefore I was giving them the befifit of the doubt as I could not see anybody actually making that claim. Where as a 14lb weight loss would be achiveable in that time frame.


Best Regards,

M

yop

Just watched it there

14lbs in 12 days, 3 stone in 6 weeks!!! Thats fkn nuts and HAS to be a fad, they reckoned she gained 3lbs of muscle in the first 12 days!

They didn't detail the diet so it has to be a low carb diet that could achieve this.

It COULDN'T be healthy!

Patto

B-Builder wrote: »

LOL:D

Nobody said it was 4st loss of body fat.

*** Statement below Edited (edits in bold) ***

Not sure if Educo guarantees fat loss. I think it makes statements about weight loss!!! Big difference

So this 4st weight loss will be water loss, muscle loss & fat loss.


M

My maths were just to illustrate the absurdity of the statement given an example where is was all fat loss. 1g of fat requires 9cal to burn 1g of muscle, glycogen or protein requires 4cal. Its not possible to lose more than a 6 or 8lbs of water. Do the maths yourself if you want to work out how many calories would be required to burn off a variation of fat and muscle.

Read my previous post, I understand very well the difference between weight loss and fat loss.

Btw you cannot gain any muscle with that kind of calorie reduction.

Vampireskiss

Patto wrote: »

4 stone is 56lb. 56lb of fat contains 56x456x9=229824cal of energy

over 6 weeks = 42 days that is 29824/42=a 5472cal deficiet per day

An elephant running a marathon every day wouldn't burn that much energy.

I agree that you cant lose 56lbs of fat in 42 days but that analogy you used is flawed,you only factered in exercise calories, i mean your body burns alot of cals by just existing

Massive Muscles

What a disgrace that RTE gave this cult unopposed air time. What would be the best email to complain?

Transform

its not flawed its just a basic maths that has nothing to do with what your body naturally burns

corkcomp

Massive Muscles wrote: »

What a disgrace that RTE gave this cult unopposed air time. What would be the best email to complain?

LOL

try arthur.mailbag@rte.ie :pac:

Roper

It's called lazy journalism. It's probably the first thing on google, they needed fluff, they have a student doing research.

Educo does a lot that other gyms don't. You might not agree with what they do, but they fill a hole that other gyms leave.

serenacat

Educo is like a cult and people come back brainwashed how embarassing are the notes in the door! how much is it? bet it is scary expensive i never see any offers

G86

Roper wrote: »

but they fill a hole that other gyms leave.

Such as a drain for members to throw money down?

ragg

B-Builder wrote: »

I have to confess I did not read that anywhere. I just cannot believe that it is possible to produce a 14lb body fat loss in 12 days. Therefore I was giving them the befifit of the doubt as I could not see anybody actually making that claim. Where as a 14lb weight loss would be achiveable in that time frame.


Best Regards,

M

I think this about right. When you go into ketosis and exercise you will drop weight pretty fast. The average person is always heavily carbed up, carring more in their bowels, holding a lot of water etc.. This will usually drop off first. There will be a drop in bodyfat with this too, but weight loss is never exactly equal to bodyfat.

As transform says basic maths doesn't really cut it all the time.
People put a lot of weight on fast over xmas and its drops off very fast, its not all body fat.

I say live and let live, if these guys are giving people a service they are happy with, then who are we to judge? most people want a quick fix in as little time outlayed as possible. Let them have it if it works for them, good.

Brady

Not all come back brainwashed lol..

serenacat wrote: »

Educo is like a cult and people come back brainwashed how embarassing are the notes in the door! how much is it? bet it is scary expensive i never see any offers

Assets Model

Massive Muscles wrote: »

What a disgrace that RTE gave this cult unopposed air time. What would be the best email to complain?

The editor of the programme: Eoin Ryan: eoin.ryan@rte.ie (Editor) I already did if he gets a few he might think about it.

J-Fit

ragg wrote: »

I say live and let live, if these guys are giving people a service they are happy with, then who are we to judge? most people want a quick fix in as little time outlayed as possible. Let them have it if it works for them, good.

Unfortunately the problem is that it is not really a quick fix. Educo are implying to their clients, but not necessarily telling them, that they have lost 14lbs of fat in x amount of time. They hammer this point home with regular weigh ins but to my knowledge never talk about bodyfat % and certainly never allude to the difference between weight loss and fat loss. The problem is at the top because I know two Educo trainers who genuinly believe that all of that weight loss is excess tissue. Talking to these people is frustrating because they see me as a victim of mainstream health in that I don't believe that "anything is possible". At the end of the day, what Tony says, goes.

Poncherello

I agree with Roper if they get results let them away. After all They do promote weight/resistance training which isnt a million miles away from what a lot of people on here recommend for weight loss etc.

J-Fit wrote: »

Unfortunately the problem is that it is not really a quick fix. Educo are implying to their clients, but not necessarily telling them, that they have lost 14lbs of fat in x amount of time. They hammer this point home with regular weigh ins but to my knowledge never talk about bodyfat % and certainly never allude to the difference between weight loss and fat loss. The problem is at the top because I know two Educo trainers who genuinly believe that all of that weight loss is excess tissue. Talking to these people is frustrating because they see me as a victim of mainstream health in that I don't believe that "anything is possible". At the end of the day, what Tony says, goes.

The certainly do measure Body Fat %, and educate their clients about it.

I'm not saying I would recommend it but I dont think it deserves all the negative publicity.

They wouldnt be expanding as they are and charging the money that they are if they didnt get results.

Roper

I think I've een misinterpreted. I'm not saying they get good results of any kind, just that they offer people genuine personal service (no matter what the standard of that service is) and offer an alternative to the 'get em in, hope they don't come back' format of the Northwoods and Skellys of this world.

You could literally go a year in a large gym without ever discussing your training with a staff member. Educo might give poor information, but it's all the same to someone who knows nothing to begin with.

Massive Muscles

Roper wrote: »

I think I've een misinterpreted. I'm not saying they get good results of any kind, just that they offer people genuine personal service (no matter what the standard of that service is) and offer an alternative to the 'get em in, hope they don't come back' format of the Northwoods and Skellys of this world.

You could literally go a year in a large gym without ever discussing your training with a staff member. Educo might give poor information, but it's all the same to someone who knows nothing to begin with.

From reading reports online the personal service ends after the first few sessions.

Roper

Massive Muscles wrote: »

From reading reports online the personal service ends after the first few sessions.

So since you've done extensive research, it's QED then?

Massive Muscles

Roper wrote: »

So since you've done extensive research, it's QED then?

In my mind it is, go reading around if you want to know yourself. Some first hand reports here.

http://www.weddingsonline.ie/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=135625&sid=6bf59a917fb9708a3547354390b95c01

Roper

I'm not saying it's great or trying to defend it really. From what I know of it it sounds like a hard sell scheme. I'm just saying it's a hole in the market and in a country where not many people know about health and fitness, they're filling it.

ANGEM

Hi all i joined educo in september weighing an embarassing 21.5 stone totally unfit barely able to move to date ive lost 42lb (3 st) dropped 4 dress sizes and am a hell of a lot healthier and fitter i am not taking any pills or supplements nor has antone tried to persaude me to take them. so maybe its like everything else in life and depends on the person you meet because my trainer is always by my side encouraging me when i train. A ll i can say is its working for me

digme

ANGEM wrote: »

Hi all i joined educo in september weighing an embarassing 21.5 stone totally unfit barely able to move to date ive lost 42lb (3 st) dropped 4 dress sizes and am a hell of a lot healthier and fitter i am not taking any pills or supplements nor has antone tried to persaude me to take them. so maybe its like everything else in life and depends on the person you meet because my trainer is always by my side encouraging me when i train. A ll i can say is its working for me

I don't believe you.

ANGEM

digme wrote: »

I don't believe you.

well dont know how to make u belive me but its the truth

digme

What was your calorie deficit?

Massive Muscles

http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1063492 from about 9 minutes.

Check out the form the instructor demonstrates at 10:55.

ANGEM

digme wrote: »

What was your calorie deficit?

before i joined i was out sick for 8 months and was comfort eating since i started iam on a diet very little to no carbs and plenty of exercise along with the gym training. obvisously i would have lost weight once i stopped comfort eating and started moving but i knew i needed some help. I can understand that ur sceptical because ive been in tony quinn shops and ran out of them due to the hard sell this was one of the first things i told my trainer and she had no problem with it her words are im paying her to get me fit and thats what shes gona do

i have to go out now but im not running away and will answer any other ?s when i can back

Massive Muscles

In the video she is claiming 3 and 1/2 pounds of muscles gained in 12 days which for an unfit, overweight person doing 15 minutes of weights a day and having a large calorie deficit is beyond bs.

This is the reply I recieved from RTE.

Thanks for your email to Nationwide, I am sorry to hear that you were disgusted with out special programme on people’s efforts to control their weight.
The feature on Wednesday evenings programme revolved around the experience of one of our viewers, who went on a weight loss programme.
We had no interest in promoting any gym and had you watched the programme closely, you will have noted that name Educo was never mentioned. Far from, a promotion, for a Gym or company, or feature was just one ladies story…. Nothing more, nothing less. By the way the young women had only positive things to say about her experiences at the gym and I should also point out that we asked her to try it out, on our behalf.

Thanks again for your note,
Kindest regards,
Eoin Ryan
Producer
Nationwide
RTE

Fair enough but Educo was clearly mentioned in one of hte captions.

digme

ANGEM wrote: »

before i joined i was out sick for 8 months and was comfort eating since i started iam on a diet very little to no carbs and plenty of exercise along with the gym training. obvisously i would have lost weight once i stopped comfort eating and started moving but i knew i needed some help. I can understand that ur sceptical because ive been in tony quinn shops and ran out of them due to the hard sell this was one of the first things i told my trainer and she had no problem with it her words are im paying her to get me fit and thats what shes gona do

i have to go out now but im not running away and will answer any other ?s when i can back

Well congratulations on losing it.

Assets Model

Roper wrote: »

I'm not saying it's great or trying to defend it really. From what I know of it it sounds like a hard sell scheme. I'm just saying it's a hole in the market and in a country where not many people know about health and fitness, they're filling it.

But the regime is unsustainable for the people they're giving it to. If people are very overweight they've obviously got lifestyle issues to address. Replacing meals with protein shakes isn't really educating them. They'll just fall off the wagon again and the end of the programme.

Roper

Assets Model wrote: »

But the regime is unsustainable for the people they're giving it to. If people are very overweight they've obviously got lifestyle issues to address. Replacing meals with protein shakes isn't really educating them. They'll just fall off the wagon again and the end of the programme.

Like I said, I'm not defending it. You can put all the buts in there you want, at the end of the day, they probably have a higher success rate than ordinary gyms

Patto

ragg wrote: »

I think this about right. When you go into ketosis and exercise you will drop weight pretty fast. The average person is always heavily carbed up, carring more in their bowels, holding a lot of water etc.. This will usually drop off first. There will be a drop in bodyfat with this too, but weight loss is never exactly equal to bodyfat.

As transform says basic maths doesn't really cut it all the time.
People put a lot of weight on fast over xmas and its drops off very fast, its not all body fat.

I say live and let live, if these guys are giving people a service they are happy with, then who are we to judge? most people want a quick fix in as little time outlayed as possible. Let them have it if it works for them, good.

Very true to a point. As anyone who has ever been in ketosis knows your metabolism slows down after 4 to 6 days making it harder to burn calories and the leaner you get the harder it gets.

Have a read of Lyle McDonald's books, he has all this stuff nailed.

digme

Roper wrote: »

Like I said, I'm not defending it. You can put all the buts in there you want, at the end of the day, they probably have a higher success rate than ordinary gyms

I would question your use of success.

sfag

12 lbs in 12 days is possible especially if you are well over weight.
I wouldnt even say its unhealty.
Most of it will be water and food.
I've lost 12lbs in a week by having the flu.
I felt OK afterwards.

The ketosis diet that they start you off on is higly effective and practiced by body builders.

All the other advice tha educo gym give you is fairly sound - except for the hard push on the over priced supplements.

If you think about it most criticisms about educo gym are all about the price they charge - for everything.

I've close hand experience of someone who joine and got quick results with good nutritional advice and good muscle budilding exercises,
Albiet at a very high price - but hey Paul McKenna (from the tv) will cure your over eating habits for £15000 stg via hypnosis.

You shop around and makes your choice.

mloc

So what if you lose 12 lbs in as many days, if your just measuring weight. Sure you can do it, sure it might be "healthy" but if its water and stored food etc, its meaningless. You probably wont look much different, if at all, the only difference is a different number on the scales. Your bf % will if anything increase. Medically, it makes no difference at all.