Help!

Frogdog

Right, I started a thread in the recent past about paint sets, well thanks to everyone out there I'm sorted on that scene now!

Now, the next question, what to do with the paint! I've a 4,000 point unpainted Eldar army, and every gang in Necromunda bar Orlock, Escher, Scavvy and Pit Slave. All unpainted again, of course!

So, where to start?

I'd like to start with the Eldar army, just cos I presume I'll be using them more since hardly anybody plays Necromunda anymore (:mad:).

I've seen elsewhere that you should start painting the bulk of your troops (Guardians, Dire Avengers, Harlequins in that order in my case) and then concentrate on Elite, Heavy Support and finally HQ in that order, reason being you always have an attractive goal to keep working to the end. And you should always paint in batches of 500 points - as in pick a 500 point army, paint it, then add 500 points to make a 1,000 point army and paint it and add another 500 and so on! That way you'll soon build up a painted army and you'll concentrate on painting what you need, rather than painting a certain figure cos he looks cool and then leaving it and starting something else or something new that you just bought.

Anyone agree/disagree? Any other tips/advice?

themurphyfella

First bit of advice would have been to play a few games before buying a ton of stuff

I would advise doing a few army lists, 500pts and 1500 and 1750 being the most common points values. post them here for a bit of feedback so you don't end up prioritising some units that are not going to work well together.

After that pick your paint scheme and check it on a basic unit.

Then paint something cool that you'll enjoy and get finished quickly. Probably not a big tank or a super character as they'll take time but an exarch or something like that.

When I paint I try and hide the stuff that I'm not working on right now so I don't get freaked. I usually work unit by unit and try and group tanks into 1-3. If possible keep your painted stuff out near where you paint.
1. you can check your colours.
2. it'll help keep you motivated

How much to paint at a time is really going to be up to you. In general I'd try and keep it to a character and unit at a time. That usually gives you enough to use some assembly line painting but not so much that you don't feel like you're making progress

Frogdog

themurphyfella wrote: »

First bit of advice would have been to play a few games before buying a ton of stuff

I would advise doing a few army lists, 500pts and 1500 and 1750 being the most common points values. post them here for a bit of feedback so you don't end up prioritising some units that are not going to work well together.

After that pick your paint scheme and check it on a basic unit.

Then paint something cool that you'll enjoy and get finished quickly. Probably not a big tank or a super character as they'll take time but an exarch or something like that.

When I paint I try and hide the stuff that I'm not working on right now so I don't get freaked. I usually work unit by unit and try and group tanks into 1-3. If possible keep your painted stuff out near where you paint.
1. you can check your colours.
2. it'll help keep you motivated

How much to paint at a time is really going to be up to you. In general I'd try and keep it to a character and unit at a time. That usually gives you enough to use some assembly line painting but not so much that you don't feel like you're making progress

Thanks for that Murph. I played a few games alright at 1,000 points level, and then I got addicted to buying stuff on eBay!

I'll post up a few examples of different army lists in time. Can't wait to get shot down on that one! Or "feedback" as you call it! :pac:

I think I've a paint scheme/Craftworld in mind. I'm thinking something like Saim Hann, but with a bit more orange instead of black/white........we'll see how that turns out.

Thanks for the advice!

themurphyfella

Ah ebay. Nice.

Army list wise I tend to be of the "If you like it use it" group. Discussing the pro's and con of units is fine for a high level filter but gets boring when it's a discussion of 2 very similar units based on player preference.
I've noticed that eldar in particular work best when looked at as a combo army.

I painted this for a friend
http://picasaweb.google.com/themurphyfella/Fireprism?feat=directlink
Eldar are fun to paint

Frogdog

themurphyfella wrote: »

Ah ebay. Nice.

Army list wise I tend to be of the "If you like it use it" group. Discussing the pro's and con of units is fine for a high level filter but gets boring when it's a discussion of 2 very similar units based on player preference.
I've noticed that eldar in particular work best when looked at as a combo army.

I painted this for a friend
http://picasaweb.google.com/themurphyfella/Fireprism?feat=directlink
Eldar are fun to paint

Holy guacamole! Suffice to say your painting standard is ever so slightly higher than mine!

And I agree, I'd belong in the "if you like it, use it" group also. I like all the different aspects/exarches/Phoenix Lords available, who cares if a farseer/Eldrad would be a better HQ choice! I want to get stuck in!

themurphyfella

Thanks.
I figured I should be halfway decent after I started counting time in the hobby in decades instead of years

I haven't met an eldar player who hasn't liked Eldrad. Then again there are few ork players who don't like Ghaz or snickrot and even fewer marine players who haven't succumbed to the Vulkan temptation at some point.

Special characters are a lot of fun but using them all the time will not earn you friends.

Effecitive eldar armies I've seen make a lot of use of vehicles and jetbike guardians. It's a config that has the extra advantage of being quiet quick to paint if you pick a good paint scheme

Are you thinking of something along these lines?
http://media.photobucket.com/image/eldar%20wind%20host/moc065/40%20K/Eldar%20WIPs/Jetbike%20Vyper/May3.jpg

Very nice paint and if you work it right it would be pretty quick to paint. Spray the canopy orange and paint black over it. The flames are actually pretty easy to do with minimal practice

Frogdog

Oh it's not that I don't like Eldrad, I do, but I'm not that into psychic powers and the likes (I'm bringing shame on every Eldar player right now)! When I first got into 40k (before my 10 year absence from the game) the Eldar had two kick-ass options for HQ - an Avatar who was the best figure in the game, and a farseer/Eldrad who were the best psykers. Nowadays they've all been watered down (mainly to make sure Space Marines always win :rolleyes:).

I like that paint job - it's exactly what I'm thinking. Eldar from the fires of hell!!! I always include fire dragons in my army as well (very effective against Space Marine terminators/tanks/vehicles and their equivalents), so that paint scheme is right down my alley.

I've never painted flames before, and would be a bit hesitant to do so - anywhere online that could gives tutorials/advice? I presume there must be videos on YouTube???

themurphyfella

I actually did a google image search for custom paint jobs as that's where you see most flame jobs. Then I picked one I liked and completely failed to paint it. But what I got was close enough for my friend :0

Hacve a look at teh GW tutorials for legionof the dammned for some good idea's. Ork speed freeks are another good source of images.
the ork FW decal sheet has some nice ones
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/orkdecs.htm

I'd dearly love to do this
http://www.revver.com/video/602388/truefire-flames-how-to-paint-true-fire-flames-aribrush/
But I'm not completely insane

Frogdog

Second link didn't work but I get what you mean anyway, thanks.

Varkov

Biel-Tan dude, its where the cool Eldar hang out. :pac:

themurphyfella

cool eldar?
Really?
When did flower arranging become cool?
:cool:

RedDragonJack

Speaking of Forgeworld, has anyone tried their weathering powder? http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/MODELLING_SUPPLIES.html
What's it like?

I was thinking of ordering some of their models, but wasn't sure. Has anybody here ordered any models from them? If so i have a few questions. How are they packaged? do they come in a box with art like gw products? Are they on sprues? What's the quality like compared to gw? Do they have mould lines? I've only ever bought stuff from gw so I don't know much:o

bloodclaw

I have the weathering powders.
THey're great for what they are but you need to do a bunch of research to figure out the best way to use them.

FW stuff packing - It ships in a FW bag in a plain box. No box art beyond possibly a sticker for the contents.

It's resin cast so it's different to all the GW shop stuff. Some of it does come with short sprues as part of the casting but nothing like the amount you get in a plastic kit

RedDragonJack

Ok, thanks. What about mould lines?

Spear

RedDragonJack wrote: »

Speaking of Forgeworld, has anyone tried their weathering powder? http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/MODELLING_SUPPLIES.html
What's it like?

I was thinking of ordering some of their models, but wasn't sure. Has anybody here ordered any models from them? If so i have a few questions. How are they packaged? do they come in a box with art like gw products? Are they on sprues? What's the quality like compared to gw? Do they have mould lines? I've only ever bought stuff from gw so I don't know much:o

I have a fair number of Forgeworld items. The resin parts are in bags, and any plastic parts are on normal GW sprues. Working with resin is quite different from plastic. You'll need to thoroughly clean and remove mould release agent from the surface first. You'll need to cut away thick piece where gates and drains were present in the mould. you'll need to use superglue to join piece together, polystyrene cement isn't usable. You'll also need a decent undercoat. Halfords own brand car spray works well I've found. Might be best if you start with something smaller or simpler such as infantry pieces, rather than make the mistake of going straight for a warhound like I did.

bloodclaw

RedDragonJack wrote: »

Ok, thanks. What about mould lines?

I haven't had any issues that you wouldn't see on a plastic kit.
The only thing to be careful of is that any dust from sanding is toxic.

What specific kits are you looking at? There might be someone on here who can give you some detail on a specific kit

RedDragonJack

bloodclaw wrote: »

I haven't had any issues that you wouldn't see on a plastic kit.
The only thing to be careful of is that any dust from sanding is toxic.

What specific kits are you looking at? There might be someone on here who can give you some detail on a specific kit

I was looking at the nurgle prince kit. So I should wear a dust mask? Safety glasses too? Lol, can imagine it now, "Ma, did you make the tea?" in a bio-hazard suit.

bloodclaw

RedDragonJack wrote: »

I was looking at the nurgle prince kit. So I should wear a dust mask? Safety glasses too? Lol, can imagine it now, "Ma, did you make the tea?" in a bio-hazard suit.

I know one lad who got that. I don't think he had any significant problems. He did say that one of the mould lines was a bit tricky because it went over some ridged detail but that was it.

I was thinking full haz-mat suit but dust mask would be it