RAW VS IMPACT

waltersobchak

Hypothetically, since Impact isnt going to be on live over here which show would/will you watch on the 4th?

Machismo Fan

iMPACT! though did you expect me to say anything else?:) I was actually considering some kind of simulcast but the logistics of such would have been too awkward.

waltersobchak

Have to say im going with Impact live, even if its just for the first hour,and if its awesome and i'll record and rewatch Raw, im very very curious about the surprises, especially if RVD shows up..

Diabhal Beag

I'd watch iMPACT live. It will be something new anyways over all this DX and Hornswoggle bull****. Plus if it is bad that just means it will be more fun to watch "the sunking ship".

dlofnep

IMPACT!

Neither, cos I have my graduation the next day. But I'd go for Raw. Return of the Hitman is epic! Hogan going to TNA isn't anywhere near as big.

gimmick

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Raw. Always loved Hart, always hated Hogan. No brainer for me.

Looking forward too seeing Impact as well though.

Machismo Fan

I wonder would Vince have been as quick to bring back Hart if TNA hadn't decided to go head to head? Competition makes everything better.

D2D

IMPACT!

Definetly Raw for me but I might see what TNA are up to via "other means" or by updates on various sites (hopefully here)

Headshot

IMPACT!

its a pity impact isnt live over here

be great to record it while watch raw

waltersobchak

Machismo Fan wrote: »

I wonder would Vince have been as quick to bring back Hart if TNA hadn't decided to go head to head? Competition makes everything better.

very doubtful,we probably would have ended up with whatever Z-Lister was promoting their crap..but now obviously whatever happens.. is phenomanal for all wrestling fans..

geeky

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First hour of impact (I believe it's starting earlier) and then, unless it's exceptional, switch over to RAW.

Podge2k7

IMPACT!

Raw for me, I'd prefer Bret over Hogan any day.

kaiser soza

I would record Raw and watch Impact.

tdv

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Raw its a no brainer. This must be about Hogans 50th comeback/return at this stage. But Bret its his first apperance on WWE programing in 13 years so it will be much more epic.

jaykhunter

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tdv wrote: »

Raw its a no brainer. This must be about Hogans 50th comeback/return at this stage. But Bret its his first apperance on WWE programing in 13 years so it will be much more epic.

+1 Ooooh yeah!

Machismo Fan

tdv wrote: »

Raw its a no brainer. This must be about Hogans 50th comeback/return at this stage. But Bret its his first apperance on WWE programing in 13 years so it will be much more epic.

Technically it's his third, the McMahon appreciation night and the Hall of Fame.

Vince135792003

I'll watch both.

Even if it's just for a week, it'll be an exciting one.

Dean820

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Machismo Fan wrote: »

Technically it's his third, the McMahon appreciation night and the Hall of Fame.

They don't count. He never appeared live at the show or in a ring.

I haven't watched wrestling for months but myself and my buddy who's also a massive Bret Hart fan will be watching. He actually hasn't watched for years so big chance for WWE to get some old fans this monday.

Bigdeadlydave

Id watch impact. I like Hogan, and we will be in for a few surprises. Il end up watching both though recording ftw!

Deeper Blue

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I'll watch both, but if I had to choose I'd watch Raw. If Bret wasn't involved though, I'd choose Impact, since Raw has been dire lately

JP Liz

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RAW for me no matter who TNA gets no one is bigger or can outshine Bret Hart back in the WWE and on RAW

rossie1977

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i will be watching both, but hats off to tna, they for me have created the most excitement, this could be a new dawn for them or it could be the biggest car crash on live tv ever having hall, sid, russo, hogan, nash, bischoff, rvd, nasties all on one show, either way i can't wait

been vip'ed to the impact show too, pity i ain't anywhere near orlando monday night

Machismo Fan

JP Liz wrote: »

RAW for me no matter who TNA gets no one is bigger or can outshine Bret Hart back in the WWE and on RAW

So if TNA were to bring in

Flair, Hall, Hardy, Kennedy, Hardy and RVD

on the same night it wouldn't outdo Hart. Credit to TNA for creating a legitimate buzz about wrestling for the first time in a long while. I wonder how Bret will perform, no offence to him but he struggled with a five minute thank you on the AWR shows, how's he going to do in front of a live crowd, on live TV with a script to remember?

Dean820

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Machismo Fan wrote: »

So if TNA were to bring in

Flair, Hall, Hardy, Kennedy, Hardy and RVD

on the same night it wouldn't outdo Hart. Credit to TNA for creating a legitimate buzz about wrestling for the first time in a long while. I wonder how Bret will perform, no offence to him but he struggled with a five minute thank you on the AWR shows, how's he going to do in front of a live crowd, on live TV with a script to remember?

Source of that spoiler? It seems highly unlikely they would get all of those and then not advertise them at all for the show.

Machismo Fan

Dean820 wrote: »

Source of that spoiler? It seems highly unlikely they would get all of those and then not advertise them at all for the show.

There's many sources for those spoilers none of which I count as 100% credible but most of which list the F4W Online/Wrestling Observer so all should be taken with a pinch of salt. Spoilers galore at the links below folks:

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/TNA_News_1/article_37787.shtml
www.wrestlezone.com/
http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/

There's rumours about many of those names being secured as surprises and even Bischoff's recent tweet says they'll have surprises. I'm not saying TNA have them signed to appear but I'd imagine there's a fair amount of substance behind at the very least negotiations with all those names.

flahavaj

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Machismo Fan wrote: »

So if TNA were to bring in

Flair, Hall, Hardy, Kennedy, Hardy and RVD

on the same night it wouldn't outdo Hart. Credit to TNA for creating a legitimate buzz about wrestling for the first time in a long while. I wonder how Bret will perform, no offence to him but he struggled with a five minute thank you on the AWR shows, how's he going to do in front of a live crowd, on live TV with a script to remember?

Ah come on MF.

Machismo Fan

flahavaj wrote: »

Ah come on MF.

Come on what?

flahavaj

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Machismo Fan wrote: »

Come on what?

No matter who TNA book it won't be a bigger story than Bret returning to WWE.

They've set themselves up for a serious hammering by going head to head with Vince.

Headshot

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flahavaj wrote: »

No matter who TNA book it won't be a bigger story than Bret returning to TNA.

They've set themselves up for a serious hammering by going head to head with Vince.

fail

flahavaj

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Headshot wrote: »

fail

LOUL. Show me how to do those ninja edits Oh master.:pac:

Headshot

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flahavaj wrote: »

LOUL. Show me how to do those ninja edits Oh master.:pac:

you are not worthy oh grasshopper

Machismo Fan

flahavaj wrote: »

No matter who TNA book it won't be a bigger story than Bret returning to TNA.

They've set themselves up for a serious hammering by going head to head with Vince.

So you're saying that Jeff Hardy, one of WWE's biggest recent stars and RVD who has always had a relatively large hardcore fanbase and can both actually get it done to a main event standard won't outdo the guy that the Raw crowd barely popped for last week? I bet if an RVD or Hardy return were announced last week it would've gotten a significantly larger pop. Same with Flair, and Hogan. Personally I don't see Hardy in TNA on Monday night but I think Flair, Hogan and RVD are all large possibilities.

I think TNA'll do about a 1.4 for iMPACT! but that does depend on what they advertise. Say if TNA advertise

RVD

vs. Angle, Hogan debuting, a Foley/Hogan confrontation,

Flair's debut

and the return of Sting all in the same programme I think that'll draw a good rating and take a decent chunk out of WWE's rating.

waltersobchak

They can definitely get at LEAST 1.4 especially if a large % of the Raw audience tune in for the first hour and then flick between both shows, so logically its in WWEs court when and where they introduce Bret, ie at the start or the very end of the show, and tease him all night.. That imo will dictate Raws huge rating or not, whereas if Impact have a kickass first hour and have even half of some of those guys in the spoilers, and a returning Sting in the mix aswell id image a large % of the old school WCW fans will tune in also..

flahavaj

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Machismo Fan wrote: »

So you're saying that Jeff Hardy, one of WWE's biggest recent stars and RVD who has always had a relatively large hardcore fanbase and can both actually get it done to a main event standard won't outdo the guy that the Raw crowd barely popped for last week? I bet if an RVD or Hardy return were announced last week it would've gotten a significantly larger pop. Same with Flair, and Hogan. Personally I don't see Hardy in TNA on Monday night but I think Flair, Hogan and RVD are all large possibilities.

I think TNA'll do about a 1.4 for iMPACT! but that does depend on what they advertise. Say if TNA advertise

RVD

vs. Angle, Hogan debuting, a Foley/Hogan confrontation,

Flair's debut

and the return of Sting all in the same programme I think that'll draw a good rating and take a decent chunk out of WWE's rating.

I don't agree. For every one RVD hardcore smark fan theres 10 former fans who'll be brought back in by Bret's return. RVD's never drawn a penny in his life.

Also they've done none of the above, so its all purely hypothetical on TNA's part. If any of those guys have been signed and they haven't been advertised yet its beyond retarded on their part.

Gerard.C

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Machismo Fan wrote: »

So if TNA were to bring in

Flair, Hall, Hardy, Kennedy, Hardy and RVD

on the same night it wouldn't outdo Hart. Credit to TNA for creating a legitimate buzz about wrestling for the first time in a long while. I wonder how Bret will perform, no offence to him but he struggled with a five minute thank you on the AWR shows, how's he going to do in front of a live crowd, on live TV with a script to remember?

None of them mean much in 2010. They've been in and out and in and out for the last 10 years. We've seen Bret on TV what, 2, 3 times in the last 10 years? It's exciting to see him again, it's boring and repetitive to see the lads you listed out

Machismo Fan

flahavaj wrote: »

I don't agree. For every one RVD hardcore smark fan theres 10 former fans who'll be brought back in by Bret's return. RVD's never drawn a penny in his life.

Also they've done none of the above, so its all purely hypothetical on TNA's part. If any of those guys have been signed and they haven't been advertised yet its beyond retarded on their part.

I'd agree if TNA didn't have that hour before Raw and that's fundamental to TNA's success. TNA possibly have enough surprises and possible debut that they can debut in the first hour or advertise in the first hour. I'd imagine a segment between Sting and Hogan or Sting and

Flair

or Hogan and

Flair

would draw a great rating and all TNA have to do is push that heavily in the first hour coupled with a great match or two.

Or have

RVD

debut in the first hour to set up a match with someone like Angle later in the show and that'd probably draw. Even a

Hall and Nash

reunion would probably pull people in and then there's the possibility Sting returning for the first time since BFG and that'd grab more peoples attention. TNA have an awful lot of options on Monday night and while it'd probably be ideal to advertise beforehand I don't think that was really possible with the positioning of the iMPACT! taping and how long after that TNA appear to be finalising deals.

Hogan has a parade going through Universal tomorrow aswell and you'd never know what could happen or be said there.

Penn

Is there really a need for spoilers when none of the names have actually been confirmed? Surely everything in this thread is really just speculation so spoiler tags aren't needed?

Just my opinion though

I've never watched TNA, bar a few clips here and there. If I had the option of being able to see both, I'd watch the first hour of TNA but switch to Raw. All of the names mentioned for TNA are pretty cool, but none can match the return of Bret Hart to WWE television on the same show as Shawn Michaels.

Garseys

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paddyirishman85 wrote: »

If I had the option of being able to see both, I'd watch the first hour of TNA but switch to Raw. All of the names mentioned for TNA are pretty cool, but none can match the return of Bret Hart to WWE television on the same show as Shawn Michaels.

Summed it up for me Paddy! :pac:

Machismo Fan

Gerard.C wrote: »

None of them mean much in 2010. They've been in and out and in and out for the last 10 years. We've seen Bret on TV what, 2, 3 times in the last 10 years? It's exciting to see him again, it's boring and repetitive to see the lads you listed out

But just listen to the response the Hart announcement got on Raw this week, only about 10% of the audience actually cared. That tells me that the crowd have either forgotten, don't know in the first place or gotten over it and the fact that the 'HBK' chant completely drowned out the very small 'You Screwed Bret' is rather telling to me. I'd guess that most of the tickets for this weeks Raw were sold before the Hart announcement was made which means it's more or less the same audience and I just don't think the majority care anymore whereas

RVD, Hogan and Flair

are much more relevant to modern fans.

Wrestling fans have changed a lot over the last three years. DX weren't even really heavily booed the last time they were in Canada. Hart's return means a lot to his fans from twelve years ago and I don't think his return will pull them back in huge numbers.

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Is there really a need for spoilers when none of the names have actually been confirmed? Surely everything in this thread is really just speculation so spoiler tags aren't needed?

I think it's only fair to anybody that might want to watch iMPACT! without any knowledge of who may or may not show up as it's more informed speculation than just speculation.

Vince135792003

Machismo Fan wrote: »

I'd agree if TNA didn't have that hour before Raw and that's fundamental to TNA's success. TNA possibly have enough surprises and possible debut that they can debut in the first hour or advertise in the first hour. I'd imagine a segment between Sting and Hogan or Sting and

Flair

or Hogan and

Flair

would draw a great rating and all TNA have to do is push that heavily in the first hour coupled with a great match or two.

I hope TNA do well but the things that they can promise to entice older fans to stay (like a Sting/Hogan confrontation, NWO etc...) are not in the same ball park of Bret Hart appearing on WWE tv. When he appears on WWE tv, I see TNA losing alot of viewers. The curiosity and unpredictability of it is too big to misss.

I don't have high hopes for TNA and everyone connected with TNA who has been interviewed in the last few days have really been down playing their chances which is never a good sign.

I also think a 3 hour show is just too long and kills any chance of a record rating. If they aired for 2 hours (with the first being unopposed), I think it would have been better.

Also, Spike have not been pushing it as heavily as everyone first thought.

So I hope they don't get crushed. I hope when they go back to Thursday's a week later it leads to a higher rating (which will be an important rating too) but I have more doubts the closer we get to the show.

Vince135792003

Machismo Fan wrote: »

only about 10% of the audience actually cared..

The rating, a 3.6 was a very good one for the time of year though. It will be interesting to see how many extra viewers watched the quarter for the Bret Hart announcement. My guess is quite alot.

Dean820

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The rating will tell us on Monday if fans still care about Bret or not.

Gerard.C

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Machismo Fan wrote: »

But just listen to the response the Hart announcement got on Raw this week, only about 10% of the audience actually cared. That tells me that the crowd have either forgotten, don't know in the first place or gotten over it and the fact that the 'HBK' chant completely drowned out the very small 'You Screwed Bret' is rather telling to me. I'd guess that most of the tickets for this weeks Raw were sold before the Hart announcement was made which means it's more or less the same audience and I just don't think the majority care anymore whereas

RVD, Hogan and Flair

are much more relevant to modern fans.

Wrestling fans have changed a lot over the last three years. DX weren't even really heavily booed the last time they were in Canada. Hart's return means a lot to his fans from twelve years ago and I don't think his return will pull them back in huge numbers.

Look at the amount of people that are saying they are tuning into Raw for the first time in years to see Bret's first WWE appearance in over 12 years. Everyone debuting in TNA was in WWE in the last 2/3 years. We've seen hogan debut and bring Hall and Nash with him before - not exciting.

WWE are bringing in One Big Name. One. TNA are bringing in several WWE-Made stars who really dont mean much, as much as you would like to believe it. It almost waters down the idea of Hogan debuting, which is what this was all supposed to be about in the first place! I'll probably take a look at TNA at some stage during the week, out of curiosity. Given their track record, I wont be watching again for a while.

As for the audience not knowing, there were several we want bret chants as far as I can remember. But, the majority of people who goes to these shows are a bit young to remember bret - the people tuning in at home will. I bet you anything Raw's rating will go up a fair bit, while TNA's, at most, will increase by .2, if that.

Vince135792003

Gerard.C wrote: »

WWE are bringing in One Big Name. One. TNA are bringing in several WWE-Made stars who really dont mean much
.

To me though while I would argue Bret Hart's first appearence on Raw in 13 years is a much bigger deal than a Hogan or a Flair debut on TNA, the bottom line is, who has done a better job at hyping up their show for Monday, WWE or TNA?

Clearly, the WWE.

You can have all the stars in the world but if you don't promote it, no one will know.

TNA and Spike have been lacklustre in their promoting (a good start when Hogan first signed but have really failed in the last couple of weeks) whereas WWE really made the most of the limited time they had.

Gerard.C

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Vince135792003 wrote: »

To me though while I would argue Bret Hart's first appearence on Raw in 13 years is a much bigger deal than a Hogan or a Flair debut on TNA, the bottom line is, who has done a better job at hyping up their show for Monday, WWE or TNA?

Clearly, the WWE.

You can have all the stars in the world but if you don't promote it, no one will know.

TNA and Spike have been lacklustre in their promoting (a good start when Hogan first signed but have really failed in the last couple of weeks) whereas WWE really made the most of the limited time they had.

Dead on. I don't follow TNA, but the buzz online is to watch Raw. Which I will

Machismo Fan

Vince135792003 wrote: »

TNA and Spike have been lacklustre in their promoting (a good start when Hogan first signed but have really failed in the last couple of weeks) whereas WWE really made the most of the limited time they had.

And this has been TNA's fundamental flaw since day one.

Brethitmanhart

Clearly from my username I'd watch RAW but I'd like TNA to do well enough to get a constant slot on a monday night.

Also, No way would all those names combined be bigger than Brets return.
Alot of the RAW crowd weren't born at the time of the screwjob, and they'll all be filled in about Bret during the week.

First time I'm watching in about 2 years, first time for my brother in about 5 years.
Bret will make a big difference to WWE ratings i think.

Think TNA should be after the

Hardys and Kennedys

rather than the done to death, old and stale

Halls, Hogans, Flairs

.
I do understand that they need some of the latter to build hype.

Also I hate that 6 sided ring.

Gerard.C

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People are bringing up Kennedys name a lot on the internet as someone TNA should sign. If ye dont mind me askin, why? As far as I can remember he was utter **** in the latter part of his WWE career, kept getting injured, and eventually WWE just said **** this and fired him. WHY in the name of god would TNA want that wretched mess of a man???

flahavaj

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Gerard.C wrote: »

People are bringing up Kennedys name a lot on the internet as someone TNA should sign. If ye dont mind me askin, why? As far as I can remember he was utter **** in the latter part of his WWE career, kept getting injured, and eventually WWE just said **** this and fired him. WHY in the name of god would TNA want that wretched mess of a man???

Exactly. Sure he'd only break a toenail getting to the arena or something.

Likewise Hardy, can't rely on him. If you booked Waltmann, Hardy, Hall and x-Pac all to appear on a big show you'd be absolutely terrified that none of them would show up or end up on a session and make a show of you on live TV, legit.

Machismo Fan

Gerard.C wrote: »

People are bringing up Kennedys name a lot on the internet as someone TNA should sign. If ye dont mind me askin, why? As far as I can remember he was utter **** in the latter part of his WWE career, kept getting injured, and eventually WWE just said **** this and fired him. WHY in the name of god would TNA want that wretched mess of a man???

If Kennedy could stay (and I know that's an absolutely massive if) I've always thought he had that 'it' factor that could get over as a face. Personally, Kennedy has never been my cup of tea but I can most certainly see why people liked him, he did have a lot of potential.

Machismo Fan

flahavaj wrote: »

Exactly. Sure he'd only break a toenail getting to the arena or something.

Likewise Hardy, can't rely on him. If you booked Waltmann, Hardy, Hall and x-Pac all to appear on a big show you'd be absolutely terrified that none of them would show up or end up on a session and make a show of you on live TV, legit.

Fair enough Hall and Waltman (X-Pac and Waltman are the same person;)), but I would've thought Hardy would be worth the risk.