If you saw a fella hitting a girl, what would you do?

sdanseo

Right, so I was out in a certain takeaway in Portmarnock this evening and t'was madness. A biggish group of people come in and have a massive argument, I'm guessing between a guy, his mate and a girlfriend with an entourage of mainly birds there too. Some terrible things were said, "you tranny whore" etc etc, men were slapped and a couple of times one particular guy tried and I think, managed (partly maybe) to belt a girl accross the head. He was completely off his rocker, pushed the two or three girls the length of the shop into us at the back at one stage. Hurling lots of abuse etc. People seemed not to want to get involed on the whole but some were held back.

I was really tempted to step in but held back because I knew the Gardaí were on the way because the not very tall and outnumbered security man had been on the phone, I was driving and stone cold sober so I suppose that helped. All three of my group were I'd say VERY close to jumping on him. I was sorely tempted to point him out to the Guards when they arrived but was terrified I'd just start another fight, this time including me.

Scary stuff anyway. Hard to sit there and watch a girl being treated like that. All concerned with sub-23yrs I'd say. Anyway question being, if you were drunk/sober would you jump in or stay back? I kind of feel I did the right thing, but then if she'd been badly hurt I'd be gutted. BTW atari option is not caring, NOT that youd deck the bastard.

(and before anyone gets all Feeky Magee on me, yes she was hot (and how!), no I don't have pics)

Professey Chin

Dropkick

Karl Hungus

Not something I'd get involved in tbh. Saw some fella yelling at his girlfriend one time, really threatening her and such, so I said something to him, the girl turned around and gives me an incredible earful of abuse and tells me to **** off and mind my business. Heard from others who'd intervened in similar situations and got some very violent reactions from the girls.

Peyton Manning

I wonder what face_kicker would do....

sdanseo

BTW I mean atari smackdown to mean you don't care, not that you'd introduce his face to the floor tiles. Just to be clear :P

Pdfile

sdonn wrote: »

Right, so I was out in a certain takeaway in Portmarnock this evening and t'was madness. A biggish group of people come in and have a massive argument, I'm guessing between a guy, his mate and a girlfriend with an entourage of mainly birds there too. Some terrible things were said, "you tranny whore" etc etc, men were slapped and a couple of times one particular guy tried and I think, managed (partly maybe) to belt a girl accross the head. He was completely off his rocker, pushed the two or three girls the length of the shop into us at the back at one stage. Hurling lots of abuse etc. People seemed not to want to get involed on the whole but some were held back.

I was really tempted to step in but held back because I knew the Gardaí were on the way because the not very tall and outnumbered security man had been on the phone, I was driving and stone cold sober so I suppose that helped. All three of my group were I'd say VERY close to jumping on him. I was sorely tempted to point him out to the Guards when they arrived but was terrified I'd just start another fight, this time including me.

Scary stuff anyway. Hard to sit there and watch a girl being treated like that. All concerned with sub-23yrs I'd say. Anyway question being, if you were drunk/sober would you jump in or stay back? I kind of feel I did the right thing, but then if she'd been badly hurt I'd be gutted.

(and before anyone gets all Feeky Magee on me, yes she was hot (and how!), no I don't have pics)

dont get unvloved unless your a good fighter...

even then they will all go for you though your the knight in shining armour...


cnuts

spadder

I encountered a situation like this years ago. What will happen is as follows:

You hit girlfriend bashing scumbag #1.

Scumbag and girlfriend now have new common enemy - you

Scumbag + scumbag mates (urged on and including the slappers you were galantly defending) will go for you.

You have to understand, scumbags are pack animals, so be prepared to take on the whole pack, including the birds.

Tar.Aldarion

jerk it

Richard Dower

It's dangerous to get involved, i've known cases where people have been attacked or stabbed....unless it was an extreme situation i would walk away. Often these fights turn into makeup sex...or one or the other cheating.

Richard Dower

spadder wrote: »

I encountered a situation like this years ago. What will happen is as follows:

You hit girlfriend bashing scumbag #1.

Scumbag and girlfriend now have new common enemy - you

Scumbag + scumbag mates (urged on and including the slappers you were galantly defending) will go for you.

You have to understand, scumbags are pack animals, so be prepared to take on the whole pack, including the birds.

Fair assement, but only relates to yer average council estate scumbag....but most times they are the likely clan to be battering each other on the street.

koHd

spadder wrote: »

I encountered a situation like this years ago. What will happen is as follows:

You hit girlfriend bashing scumbag #1.

Scumbag and girlfriend now have new common enemy - you

Scumbag + scumbag mates (urged on and including the slappers you were galantly defending) will go for you.

You have to understand, scumbags are pack animals, so be prepared to take on the whole pack, including the birds.

This is pretty much the outcome of most cases. But there could be a tikme when a girl may need help. It's just a mattee od judging if she herself is a scumbag as well as her fella. But in most cases I'd try not get involved for the reasons I've quoted above.

spadder

Richard Dower wrote: »

Fair assement, but only relates to yer average council estate scumbag....but most times they are the likely clan to be battering each other on the street.

True, i was refering to council estate scum, your refering to "nomadic" scum.

Nomadic scum fights- let them at it, it's in their nature

bizmark

Take a picture on my phone and masturbate to it later




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OutlawPete

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Not something I'd get involved in tbh. Saw some fella yelling at his girlfriend one time, really threatening her and such, so I said something to him, the girl turned around and gives me an incredible earful of abuse and tells me to **** off and mind my business. Heard from others who'd intervened in similar situations and got some very violent reactions from the girls.

Has happened me twice and I have other friends who have told me similar stories of getting involved backfiring.

Now, I just phone the Guards and move on.

spadder

bizmark wrote: »

Take a picture on my phone and masturbate to it later




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but what if your Ma wasn't involved?

sdanseo

Worth putting in we were at thhe back of the resteraunt....god it doesnt deserve that title....in a long queue. There was no way on God's earth I was leaving without my food so walking away wasn't gonna happen. :P

therokerroar

I'd do nothing about it and then go home and post about it on an internet forum.....

Walk away the hassle is never worth it. I've seen many instance where someone gets involved only to end up with a stiletto to the face. I saw a girl kicking the crap out of a lad one night and when he slapped her back a group of lads attacked him for hitting the girl. That she had been beating him before this was irrelevant to them and I ended up getting hit in the face a few time for trying to pull them off of him.

afatbollix

seen it twice... I dont think Ill get involved again... Girl friend nearly allways turns on you... How much they love him... Lucky for me cops were about 1 minute away so it was like break it up and stall untill they run up... First one the boy friend put her through a glass window.. She was lucky it was saftey glass or she would of been ****ed...

fintonie

I say dec the girl row over, then go for a pint with you man and tell him he's better off without her.

or dec your man, then go for a pint with your one and tell her she's better off with a good rodding,

or just start screaming and bitch slap him then take a sip of your water,

or sit on the floor and start crying,

all of the above will work the finest.

Tayto2000

None of the above - I've stepped in a few times, but smacking the guy just leads to the situation mentioned, ie they both gang up on you. Adding violence to a violent situation is never going to help. And ask yourself why are you hitting the guy, is it some kind of caveman attempt to impress?

If it's one on one guy - girl I just step in and ask if there's a problem - if they both start screeaming at you to fcuk off, happy days, step away. If they're there with their own group, again, happy days, their friends should be sorting it out and the last thing anyone needs is a circle-stomping to go with their take away...

I was on a visit to London this year, saw a guy having a serious blowup screaming row with his girlfriend off trafalgar square, he ended up slapping her, I went over at the same time as a pair of fairly stereotypical chavs... long story short, it ended up being a case of preventing the chavs from kicking the **** out of him while she got into a taxi and left

Duckjob

If it's a boyfriend/girlfriend setup, I tend to think that in all probability that's not the 1st (or 2nd or 3rd) time he's treated her like this, and if she's still happy to go out socialising and drinking with him then there's not much I can do.

The few times I've witnessed these incidents and seen someone step in, the reaction from the girl involved has always been of the
"F**k off, leeeeve myyyy feellllaaahhh allllowww--in."
variety, and I've no inclination to try to help people that are f**king stupid TBH.

m@cc@

Rule of thumb I use is whether the girl is hitting/mouthing back. If so, then I stay out of it.

Joey the lips

you can only select one answer so am i drunk or sober?

Anyway I would hold off and watch from a distance. If it gets to bad i would call an ambulence. That way the guards would be called as well. If you just ring the guards its been my experence they do not come.

kawaii

Join in

Mr Benevolent

Very bad idea to get involved in any fight that doesn't directly concern you. You become an instant target in that situation.

watna

I know of someone that defended a woman in that kind of situation. The bf who was hitting the girl, ran back to a house got a knife and fatally stabbed the guy who intervened. Some of you probably heard the case on the news a few years back. Was very sad.

I always think of that when I hear a question like this. Is it worth getting involved if that is the kind of person you may be dealling with?

SV

I've got involved in several instances of things like this, none of them have ever come back at me or tried to hit me..

TitoPuente

Very simple - don't get involved. If it's a situation where the woman is scared and obviously doesn't want to be attacked, then it makes sense to step in and/or flatten the guy. However, in 99% of these cases in Dublin, it's two dirtbags having their usual Saturday night 'domestic' in the kebab queue. The kind of people who engage in this type of behaviour have the propensity to grab sharp objects and stab you, so steer clear. Sometimes what looks like a violent, dangerous situation might just be two people having a good night out... in their eyes.

TitoPuente

SV wrote: »

I've got involved in several instances of things like this, none of them have ever come back at me or tried to hit me..

Yeah, that's really weird. I worked as a doorman for about 5 years and every single time I got involved in one of these situations, the woman turned on me. So your experience is the exception, not the rule. Believe me.

Bugnug

sdonn wrote: »

Right, so I was out in a certain takeaway in Portmarnock this evening and t'was madness. A biggish group of people come in and have a massive argument, I'm guessing between a guy, his mate and a girlfriend with an entourage of mainly birds there too. Some terrible things were said, "you tranny whore" etc etc, men were slapped and a couple of times one particular guy tried and I think, managed (partly maybe) to belt a girl accross the head. He was completely off his rocker, pushed the two or three girls the length of the shop into us at the back at one stage. Hurling lots of abuse etc. People seemed not to want to get involed on the whole but some were held back.

I was really tempted to step in but held back because I knew the Gardaí were on the way because the not very tall and outnumbered security man had been on the phone, I was driving and stone cold sober so I suppose that helped. All three of my group were I'd say VERY close to jumping on him. I was sorely tempted to point him out to the Guards when they arrived but was terrified I'd just start another fight, this time including me.

Scary stuff anyway. Hard to sit there and watch a girl being treated like that. All concerned with sub-23yrs I'd say. Anyway question being, if you were drunk/sober would you jump in or stay back? I kind of feel I did the right thing, but then if she'd been badly hurt I'd be gutted. BTW atari option is not caring, NOT that youd deck the bastard.

(and before anyone gets all Feeky Magee on me, yes she was hot (and how!), no I don't have pics)

Women who are involved with guys like this are as big a low lifes as the guys and I can guarantee you if you tried to "help" her then she would turn on you as well. We all have to be responsible for ourselves and the people we choose to hang out with. No sympathy for women or men who find themselves in ****ty situations like this.

SV

TitoPuente wrote: »

Yeah, that's really weird. I worked as a doorman for about 5 years and every single time I got involved in one of these situations, the woman turned on me. So your experience is the exception, not the rule. Believe me.

I'd well believe it tbh..

There is only one instance of a girl turning on me I can recall and a number of her male friends(who soon backed off)
Girl slapped one of my friends, I called her an idiot and she slapped me then..
Quite hard too, it was no 'playful' kind of slap.
So I said to her calmly(I was sober) that if she slaps me again I'll have no worries about hitting her back, well to say she went mental is an understatement..cue lots of lads saying they're going to 'bate the head off me'

Oh women..why are ye so crazy?

Kiera

SV wrote: »

Oh women..why are ye so crazy?

We have to be to put up with you lot :P

garyt24

sdonn wrote: »

Right, so I was out in a certain takeaway in Portmarnock this evening and t'was madness. A biggish group of people come in and have a massive argument, I'm guessing between a guy, his mate and a girlfriend with an entourage of mainly birds there too. Some terrible things were said, "you tranny whore" etc etc, men were slapped and a couple of times one particular guy tried and I think, managed (partly maybe) to belt a girl accross the head. He was completely off his rocker, pushed the two or three girls the length of the shop into us at the back at one stage. Hurling lots of abuse etc. People seemed not to want to get involed on the whole but some were held back.

I was really tempted to step in but held back because I knew the Gardaí were on the way because the not very tall and outnumbered security man had been on the phone, I was driving and stone cold sober so I suppose that helped. All three of my group were I'd say VERY close to jumping on him. I was sorely tempted to point him out to the Guards when they arrived but was terrified I'd just start another fight, this time including me.

Scary stuff anyway. Hard to sit there and watch a girl being treated like that. All concerned with sub-23yrs I'd say. Anyway question being, if you were drunk/sober would you jump in or stay back? I kind of feel I did the right thing, but then if she'd been badly hurt I'd be gutted. BTW atari option is not caring, NOT that youd deck the bastard.

(and before anyone gets all Feeky Magee on me, yes she was hot (and how!), no I don't have pics)

I would like to say that i would hit the guy straight away cause you should never hit women but it is so much easier to write what i would do rather than actually do it when it happened in frount of you. You were right not to get involved because it could have turned nasty on you and also you dont know the relationship that girl and bloke have with each other. Both of them could of turning on you...

TitoPuente

garyt24 wrote: »

you should never hit women

Stupid statement to be honest. Men and women are equally capable of extreme violence. If a women comes at you with a knife, for example, you have every right to knock her head off.

sdanseo

What was making me want to jump in was that this guy was being so violent - literally making multiple attempts to grab her, punch her, push her etc. There was about 3 of her friends in the way trying to get him off and they were all just collateral damage to him.

I also had 2 mates with me, obviously if I was on my own I would have been a lot further away from intervening.

Guards turned up in the end btw and of course they'd all dissapeared.

Borneo Fnctn

If it's his woman I wouldn't do anything. I saw a pair of scagheads having a screaming match on christmas eve outside the centra at the hapenny bridge. It was like Fairytale of New York. Life's too short to be helping women who don't want help.

me_right_one

Why is there this big desire, or apparent obligation, to help women? If it was two fellas, would this thread even have been started? Its all equality now, we're all equal. It was women themselves who wanted it this way. If a girl who is just as strong as a fella hits a fella, he has every right to hit her back.

Dragan

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Not something I'd get involved in tbh. Saw some fella yelling at his girlfriend one time, really threatening her and such, so I said something to him, the girl turned around and gives me an incredible earful of abuse and tells me to **** off and mind my business. Heard from others who'd intervened in similar situations and got some very violent reactions from the girls.

I thought like that for a little while after intervening between a guy and a gal. These two were screaming at each other and all of a sudden, BANG, he hit her flush, like she was a dude.

I was straight over the road and on him, pinned him down and would have been happy to wait for the cops when the girl lashed out at me. Pretty strange at the time i thought, i let your man up and the two of them went off after giving me an earful.

At the end of the day though, i don't really give a **** about their reaction, it's all about how i feel, and i can't in good conscience walk away from someone, male or female, who might need my help.

If they react badly, then **** em, i tried, it's their mess, they can clean it up.

Seachmall

If they got physical I'd probably step in, and by physical I mean violent, not sexual. Actually I'd probably step in if they got sexual too, either way it'll end in a bloody mess.

me_right_one wrote: »

Why is there this big desire, or apparent obligation, to help women? If it was two fellas, would this thread even have been started? Its all equality now, we're all equal. It was women themselves who wanted it this way. If a girl who is just as strong as a fella hits a fella, he has every right to hit her back.

But how many girls do you know could deck their boyfriends the same way their boyfriends could deck them? If it were two men of equal strength fighting I'd keep out, if one was clearly at a disadvantage I'd step in and have done so in the past.

super_furry

Stepped in once and have a nice scar to remember it by. Won't be doing it again.

Abi

Dragan wrote: »

If they react badly, then **** em, i tried, it's their mess, they can clean it up.

I think you're a good guy for wanting to help out, but these things rarely end well =/


Doesn't matter whether I was sober or drunk, I'd keep walking. The extent of my involvment would be calling the gardai, but I'd keep going. Think about it, what sort of people actually have full on arguments on the street or in a chipper? If they have drunk enough to the point that they are fighting in public, they aren't going to be in their most understanding, rational state. It's no wonder those who intervene get started on.

No thanks!

G-Money

Interesting topic. I remember seeing a similar question posed somewhere, I can't remember where. I think it was something like "If you were at a train station at night and seen a group of guys hassling a girl, would you intervene".

I have to say it's a really hard one to call. You see so many stories on the news about people intervening to tackle some scumbag and the person who tries to help ends up dead. I didn't realise either until I read this thread that the girl who's being hassled can actually turn on you if you try to help.

It's really hard to say. I can only speak from the time I was in Australia and some guy started squaring up to me as his mate led him on pretending I was saying stuff about his favourite football team. It's not nice to admit, but I had an awful sick, fearful feeling that went right through me and I was like "s***, I'm about to get into a fight". It's one of the most horrible feelings I've ever had and one I hope to avoid again. Thankfully at the time I managed to talk myself out of it (I hadn't actually said anything and was minding my own business).

It's really hard to say. I guess you'd just have to judge the situation at the time and do whatever seems right. I suspect at the very least if its getting out of control you should call the cops.

me_right_one

Seachmall wrote: »

But how many girls do you know could deck their boyfriends the same way their boyfriends could deck them? If it were two men of equal strength fighting I'd keep out, if one was clearly at a disadvantage I'd step in and have done so in the past.

But what if one fella was right and the other one was wrong and deserved the baetin? How would you know? What if a 6 footer was kicking the crap out of a jockey, for all you know the jockey might be a pedo who just buggered the 6 footers kids! The same goes for vaginified humans.

arybvtcw0eolkf

super_furry wrote: »

Stepped in once and have a nice scar to remember it by. Won't be doing it again.

Chic's dig scar's, or so its said!.

But to answer the question, I'd go along the same lines as Dragan.

Mark200

If this is the restaurant/take away that I think it is... then I think a few years ago some guy got stabbed (and killed, I think) in there during a fight.

I wouldn't chance it unless the girl was getting seriously beaten, and at that stage I'd hope that the majority of people in the restaurant would defend anyone who stepped in.

Keano

I've seen 2 instances. First, out side of a niteclub and the guy had to protected by the bouncers as a number of lads reined blows in on him. The second, I was walking home alone and seen a guy with a girl in a head lock but I kept walking with my head down. I knew their background and it would have resulted in causing more trouble.

Seachmall

me_right_one wrote: »

But what if one fella was right and the other one was wrong and deserved the baetin? How would you know? What if a 6 footer was kicking the crap out of a jockey, for all you know the jockey might be a pedo who just buggered the 6 footers kids! The same goes for vaginified humans.

I assumed we were talking about the drunken fights you see outside clubs. Either way I'd step in, I think it's fair to give the jockey the benefit of the doubt or should I just assume all jockeys are paedos?

julien05

a gf of mine got hopped on for no reason by a tramp, i was drunk so i tried to break it up because it looked disgusting all that hair pulling ouchie. i got a sovering imprint in my forehead for it which was funny and cute because it didnt hurt but this yokes male friends were all there telling me 'i wouldnt let her get away with that' and 'i wouldnt put up with that' luckily i smelt the cocksucking rats a mile away and didnt do anything.

Capt'n Midnight

Seachmall wrote: »

should I just assume all jockeys are paedos?

Well they ride three year olds for a living ....

super_furry

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Well they ride three year olds for a living ....

The term LOL is overused, but that just made me snort with laughter. Good show sir.