Mortal Kombat.

Iwasfrozen

I've done a search and surprisingly I came across only one thread dedicated to Mortal Kombat, in which people expressed their disappointment in this popular series.
Which is a same really as I've bought the game Mortal Kombat: Armageddon and I have to say I am very impressed.

Why do you think there is such an "anti-Mortal Kombat" air to this forum ?

Before you rip me to pieces I am a SF fan.

Ramza

MK sucks, at least I think so. I shouldn't even have to explain

Iwasfrozen

Ramza wrote: »

MK sucks, at least I think so. I shouldn't even have to explain

Well, that was the whole point of the thread...

Ramza

I think I should've said "I don't want to explain :P

Anyway, I know the game just looks horrible, very unappealing

And as far as the gameplay goes, it's pretty stupid. It's one of those things I just cant describe, or put into words (in a bad way, mind you). It's just lacking, like I remember getting beaten by the AI by being repeatedly punched in the head (even when blocking I'd still get damage)(Yeah, I know you can duck) It just seems chunky and stuff, half-finished kind of a game etc. It's hard for me to describe. I could be completely wrong though, but when I played, I didn't take to it at all

Note : The above statement is 100% biased :P

chopperbyrne

The main developer of the MK series has said on numerous occasions that he doesn't care about it being a good competitive fighter and he just wants to fill it with cool stuff.

As a result, pretty much every MK game is broken beyond belief with every character having multiple infinites or 100% combos that are simple to do.

They also use the same character model for almost every character so normals are universal which leads it to being pretty boring as it's just a matter of picking the character with the most broken specials then.

Also, the novelty of Fatalities and gore got old very quick.

In summary, fun to mess around with, but outside of UMK3 should never be taken seriously.

FoamyMushroom

MK doesnt suck at all, the arcade version of number 2 was so so much fun, I knew everyones fatality which added to the fun... Stupid animalalities or however there spelt where a bitch to do....

Anything after number 2 sucked...


n dont get me started on DC vs MK.... tragic game >.<

Ramza

^^ This

Repepitive is the word I wanted. I only remembered now when reading Chopper's post, all normals were universal, and I do remember seeing some ****ed up **** in that game. But I think playing the game for craic or just to see someone get their ****ing head ripped off is the only reason why anyone would want to play it

K.O.Kiki

As above, MK feels too much like a gimmick fighter.

And that... MK vs DC... "game"... *sigh*
most convulted fighter controls I've ever touched. Worse than wrestling games.

Cunny-Funt

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why do you think there is such an "anti-Mortal Kombat" air to this forum ?

It's not the forum its the general fighting game community as a whole that looks down on MK as a lesser fighting game.

RopeDrink wrote: »

To put it short, your post sucks.

woah there horsey! :eek:

@ FoamyMushroom yeah I think its generally agreed that MK2 was the best one by far. I enjoyed it as a kid myself. Its only when I went back to play it recently, after learning what fighting games were really about, that I was so shocked at how bad it was when playing it on the ps3 at a mates house.

I couldnt get over it, I didn't realise the gap was so huge.

But if you enjoy it, you enjoy it and that's fair enough. I'd love to see more discussion on here among other fighting game fans. But I don't see MK having much of a following.

Doctor DooM

I played MK when it came out in the arcades and even in the pre net forum days I couldn't understand why people could consider the original an equal to SF2.

I have to say though, MK2 is a really quite playable game. It's the only one which I found 2 player to be interesting, and the characters varied.

MK3 introduced dial-a-combo and they were way more extreme than say SFalpha. Beyond that I did not play for the same reason I stopped playing all fighting games- no online, no scene.

I'd give MK vs DC a go as I am a big comic fan but the reviews are so negative. In a world where blazblue, tekken and soul calibre exist outside of the street fighter space, why would you bother?

That said- MK was always sold on gore and novelty. It was always the cheap american remake of the awesome japanese film which changed what was important because the makers never realised what made it good in the first place- but attracts new people who are just there for cheap shocks.

Ramza

RopeDrink wrote: »

To put it short, your post sucks

Well my post basically says "To put it short, MK sucks"

mr_kyle

Nah guys, come on now! MK was on the input short cut wagon way before SF. MK is clearly ahead of its time. :P:P

Real talk: Although its already been stated, MKII was alot of fun despite being quite basic. Normal move redundancy between ALL the characters, at least in the earlier games I am not 100% on the more recent titles, was one of the major killers for me.

*edit* I did play about 15 minutes of MK vs DC, but it was basically mini-games in your fighting game. That one factor alone was enough to make me put in on the shelf again never to return to the 360.

Doctor DooM

Actually, to be fair, MK has done one thing for the FG genre and that is a semi serious stab at a western TV series/ film series.

mr_kyle

The two things I think of when someone mentions MK are:

• Cooking with Scorpion
• In the mag Nintendo Magazine System, they ran an April fools prank for MK1. I forget alot of the details, but I do remember the "code" required that 1p was taped to the top of the cart. It was supposed to simulate heavy plastic that early developers editions had relative to the lighter retail ones I think lol. But it unlock insane levels of gore and super fatalities.

Doctor DooM

This for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YETYb6NEphw

FoamyMushroom

lol I love that drawin together part :P


Mk did have one or two good titles after MKII, I cant name one of them... But one was a new feature to the MK game, adding 3d surroundings picking up objects and throwing them i.e. Skulls bones etc..etc

Other was a RPG style of game for ps2 called MK Shaolin monk. It was so much dam fun got different power ups, new moves, execute a fatality when meter was full n all stuff...Fun.. Game is unbeatable on hardest difficulty though

Retr0gamer

Mk2 is the only one worth bothering with and even that wasn't great. Considering Samurai Showdown 2 and SSF2 where out at the same time, why would you bother?

Cunny-Funt

RopeDrink wrote: »

It'd be like me saying I think cake sucks and pie is ****ing awesome. That is nothing but personal opinion and very uninformative

Ah but here its more like saying eating tar sucks and pie is awesome, its kinda a given and not all that necessary to write an essay explaining why tar isnt really that enjoyable as a food :eek:


:P

RedDragonJack

Everyone always take the intellectual high route and rambles on about bugs and imbalance etc. But I bet you if you played any of the classic MKs for a month you still couldn't take on my friend at it, who is a very casual fighting game player.

Doctor DooM

RedDragonJack wrote: »

Everyone always take the intellectual high route and rambles on about bugs and imbalance etc. But I bet you if you played any of the classic MKs for a month you still couldn't take on my friend at it, who is a very casual fighting game player.

Dude, that's indicative of a broken game, not a good thing.

K.O.Kiki

That or he's less casual than you realise.

I love playing casual Tekken players though. One of them didn't realise you could win by time-out -- or within 8 seconds :P

Ramza

Dude I know. I was only saying for the sake of the topic. MK sucks, I just didn't want to elaborate (but I did a few more posts down) I felt this topic wasn't gonna be taken seriously or w/e (which is maybe a tad true), but all joking aside, you get me. I thought saying MK sucks should be enough (for sake of the ****ty game it is)

Like cunny said I felt it was a self-explanatory statement, like the game should be self explanatory of its worthlessness

RedDragonJack

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Dude, that's indicative of a broken game, not a good thing.

Ok, "DUDE!"

Doctor DooM

RedDragonJack wrote: »

Ok, "DUDE!"

Straw man argument.

Try to argue against someone's point instead of attacking them.

mr_kyle

Bah! Manz in this thread need some of these:

Cunny-Funt

RedDragonJack wrote: »

Everyone always take the intellectual high route and rambles on about bugs and imbalance etc. But I bet you if you played any of the classic MKs for a month you still couldn't take on my friend at it, who is a very casual fighting game player.

What eh... point are you trying to make here? Someone being good at a bad game = the game is good? What?

I mean if you enjoy the game you enjoy it, so what if its no where near as good as others. Why should that stop you enjoying it? Why are you letting it get to you that people who know what they're talking about class it as an inferior product, when it still brings enjoyment to you either way?


@ Ropedrink, yeah I know I was just messin with yea m8,

hmm btw... how come in your quotation of me theres a different version of the :eek: smiley then whats on my original post? My original post has boards standard blue shock smiley, but in your quotation theres some alien, impostor yellow smiley in its place! That's some freaky shit right there!

Jim

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

hmm btw... how come in your quotation of me theres a different version of the :eek: smiley then whats on my original post? My original post has boards standard blue shock smiley, but in your quotation theres some alien, impostor yellow smiley in its place! That's some freaky shit right there!

I think I recognise that as an old boards.ie smilie. Ropeh is prob using a different theme or something.

RedDragonJack

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Why are you letting it get to you that people who know what they're talking about class it as an inferior product, when it still brings enjoyment to you either way?

Well, that's a matter of opinion.

RedDragonJack

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Straw man argument.

Try to argue against someone's point instead of attacking them.

I don't need your advice on how to argue. I was laughing at the way you talk. But I don't blame you for being so defensive, it's just the way trolls are.

Cunny-Funt

Jim

RedDragonJack wrote: »

I don't need your advice on how to argue. I was laughing at the way you talk. But I don't blame you for being so defensive, it's just the way trolls are.

If you think the mod of the forum is trolling you then you should probably complain to the site admins since its pretty blatant hypocrisy.

Unless you were just throwing out the term to try and insult him in some way. If that's the case then your post is probably fine. Probably.

Cunny-Funt

Jaysus those mortal combat heads wha? feckin'ell ....



C'mon "RedDragonJack" relax the kacks, what happened to that whole "friendship" thing? Or was the inclusion of a friendship finishing move in the game another aspect of MK that's ...."A matter of opinion"....

Jim

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Jaysus those mortal combat heads wha? feckin'ell ....



C'mon "RedDragonJack" relax the kacks, what happened to that whole "friendship" thing? Or was the inclusion of a friendship finishing move in the game another aspect of MK that's ...."A matter of opinion"....

Friendships were awesome you swine.

Cunny-Funt

Nothing beats doing that guy liu kang's 'flying across the screen with a high pitch scream' kick thing over and over and over for the whole game, then when it comes up "finish him" do it again.


Good times.

K.O.Kiki

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Nothing beats doing that guy liu kang's 'flying across the screen with a high pitch scream' kick thing over and over and over for the hole game, then when it comes up "finish him" do it again.

In my head this now sounds like a mix between Bruce Lee & Japanese onlookers during a 3S combo :pac:

Good times.

RedDragonJack

Jim wrote: »

If you think the mod of the forum is trolling you then you should probably complain to the site admins since its pretty blatant hypocrisy.

Unless you were just throwing out the term to try and insult him in some way. If that's the case then your post is probably fine. Probably.

The second one

Dreddybajs

this thread is still better quality than the average mortal kombat game

RedDragonJack

Damn, Now it sounds like I'm defending MK. I don't really like the game, It's a buggy mess. I just hate this snobby attitude of snubing games with just one word(Broken), usually from people that don't play them. I know people that play this game alot, and they make it work, despite it's flaws.

I wasn't getting all defensive about the game(I couldn't really be arsed), justing trying to add to the topic. I just say things for the sake of the conversation and someone always ends up taking it too serious.

Cunny-Funt

RedDragonJack wrote: »

Damn, Now it sounds like I'm defending MK. I don't really like the game, It's a buggy mess. I just hate this snobby attitude of snubing games with just one word(Broken), usually from people that don't play them. I know people that play this game alot, and they make it work, despite it's flaws.

So in the same few lines you call the game a buggy mess and admit it has flaws, you then call those who say the same thing snobs?

RedDragonJack wrote: »

I wasn't getting all defensive about the game(I couldn't really be arsed), justing trying to add to the topic. I just say things for the sake of the conversation and someone always ends up taking it too serious.

You seem to be the one here who's taking it too seriously man. & as for trying to add to the topic and saying things for the sake of conversation.... have a look at post number 26...

I mean all jokes a side you randomly targeted doom and attack him, a moderator of this forum, then accused him of trolling? You are aware this would generally get you an insta-ban on most forums here? and DooM wasn't even ripping into MK. I mean wtf?

& lastly this wasnt a thread about "MK what do you like about it..." The OP ASKED people why its generally looked down on by the fighting game community and people answered is all. Jaysus...

Jim wrote: »

I think I recognise that as an old boards.ie smilie. Ropeh is prob using a different theme or something.

ah HA! You solved the mystery! Well done old boy! Sherlock holmes eat your heart out! (new films is shlte )

RedDragonJack

OK

Ramza

This thread is fecking legendary

D4RK ONION

This thread needs, no DESERVES to be stickied!

Orim

Has anyone else noticed that Cunny is always at the centre of any controversy here?

chopperbyrne

HMUYA wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed that Cunny is always at the centre of any controversy here?

His celebrity status has gone to his head.

FFS Cunny, it's only a few eircom ads!

Cobelcog

The reason you don't see MK discussed often or positively here is because it just isn't a good fighting game competitively and that's the aspect of fighting games that this forum is all about, really. When I was younger I actually really liked the series for its silly, casual fun but, as it has been stressed in this thread, that's about as far as it can go. It just appeals to a different group of people than you'd find on this board. It's like SF is Super Mario World and MK is Mario Party but we're all about the platforming over here.

This post actually feels a bit off-topic at this point, though :pac:

Iwasfrozen

haha, So anyway, RedDragonJacks little outburst aside I think I'm getting a better idea of why Mortal kombat is disliked in the fighting game scene*, that being it's seen as childish, un-balanced and silly with its temendous amounts of gore and violence.

But that is what for me makes the game special. In what other game can you pull someones heart out of their chest, burn their flesh down to their bones or rip somes head off their shoulders with the spine still attached ?

Having said that, What would you guys like to see in the up-coming MK 9 ? What do you think would make it more scene* compatible while still retaining it's unique characteristics ? That being the blood violence and general gore.

What's more I have to agree with what peple are saying about the Mortal Kombat V's DC Universe game. I think the general idea is just silly and that isn't helped by the inclusion of mini-games inside the actual fighting.
Having said that the graphics are good and it seems the franchise is heading in the right direction.

I'm just hoping that MK 9 is rated Red 18+

*I have no idea what the scene is so if someone could enlighten me I would be obliged.

Retr0gamer

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Having said that, What would you guys like to see in the up-coming MK 9 ?

Gameplay.

Cobelcog

I don't think anyone has a problem with the whole gore and violence angle the series takes. That's the reason it got so popular in the first place. It's just that the actual fighting mechanics lack a lot of depth. I believe chopper said it best in that it all just boils down to picking the character with the most abusive specials since everyone share the same basis for their character and that the creators are more concerned with putting in cool things rather than making it balanced. This just leads to a lot of boring matches that are hard to take seriously. The problem with the series isn't the gore and violence but rather the uninteresting and shallow fighting system the games use.

Doctor DooM

RedDragonJack wrote: »

I don't need your advice on how to argue. I was laughing at the way you talk. But I don't blame you for being so defensive, it's just the way trolls are.

Regardless of anything else I see in this thread, I see another post like this and you'll be banned from this forum.

I've been extremely leniant because you're newish. You should probably read the forum charter.

If you believe someone is trolling, report the post.


If you were trying to insult me, that's against the charter of every single forum on Boards.


Now let's drop this particular line of enquiry people (thats with my mod hat on).


Thanks.

Doctor DooM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

haha, So anyway, RedDragonJacks little outburst aside I think I'm getting a better idea of why Mortal kombat is disliked in the fighting game scene*, that being it's seen as childish, un-balanced and silly with its temendous amounts of gore and violence.

But that is what for me makes the game special. In what other game can you pull someones heart out of their chest, burn their flesh down to their bones or rip somes head off their shoulders with the spine still attached ?

Having said that, What would you guys like to see in the up-coming MK 9 ? What do you think would make it more scene* compatible while still retaining it's unique characteristics ? That being the blood violence and general gore.

What's more I have to agree with what peple are saying about the Mortal Kombat V's DC Universe game. I think the general idea is just silly and that isn't helped by the inclusion of mini-games inside the actual fighting.
Having said that the graphics are good and it seems the franchise is heading in the right direction.

I'm just hoping that MK 9 is rated Red 18+

*I have no idea what the scene is so if someone could enlighten me I would be obliged.

I guess the "scene" is the group of people who play fighting games competatively with one another. Balance and mechanics of play would be important I guess.

I like the characters themselves in MK, I would like the game play to be a bit faster, a whole lot mroe balanced, and for the normals to be different from character to character.

I think it should be 18's too though, fatalities and blood are part of the game.

Cunny-Funt

HMUYA wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed that Cunny is always at the centre of any controversy here?

I was at the centre? Pssh I just reply to peoples posts, its not like I make them say controversial....things....


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Iwasfrozen wrote: »

haha, So anyway, RedDragonJacks little outburst aside I think I'm getting a better idea of why Mortal kombat is disliked in the fighting game scene*, that being it's seen as childish, un-balanced and silly with its temendous amounts of gore and violence.

Nah that's not really it, as cobelcog and retro said its the fundamental gameplay in the end and its lack of depth.

It's something you only come to realise when you've played another fighting game at a certain level. When you've experienced the rush of that, and then go back to play MK2 a game I always thought was a bit of fun, it really hits you in the face pretty instantly that compared to SF2 etc, its just ... the gap of quality and depth is so huge. Where as I used to think it was just a matter of taste.

As kid I played SF more just cause I liked the style more, I wasnt aware of such a gap cause I didnt know anything about fighting games.