400 kg deadlifter in Westwood gym?

BrianD3

On another Irish forum, somebody said that they are a member in Westwood and that there is an eastern European lad who trains there that deadlifts 400 kg :eek: Given that only a tiny number of people in the world can deadlift that weight or more it is worthy of note (if true). Anyone know this individual?

And just out of interest, if this was done in a powerlifting competition where would it rank in the top deadlifts of all time (in terms of most weight lifted, not Wilks points) Top 10 or 20?

podge57

I think someone posted a vid before of an Eastern European guy deadlifting 360ish in Dublin Gym, can't remember which one though

There are 13 people who have deadlifted over 408.2kg (http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/records/900-pound-deadlift), so 400kg would probably be top 25-30 I would think

TommyKnocker

Hi

I remember seeing a video on here a while ago with someone deadlifting big weight in WW Clontarf. I recognised the gym as I am a member there.

However, can I ask if one was to attempt to deadlift 400kg, how would you load a standard Oly bar? i.e. How many plates could you get on each side of an Oly bar?

WW Clontarf only have 4 x 25kg plates, they have a number of 20 kg plates, some 15kg plates and a fair few 10kg and smaller plates.

Given that you would have to load 190kg on each side of the bar (allowing 20kg for the bar)...

...then
2 x 25kg = 50kg
7 x 20kg = 140 kg

Not sure WW Clontarf have 14 x 20kg plates, and if they do it would be pretty much every 20kg plate in the place. Just getting every 20kg plate plus the 4 25kg plates to yourself in the gym when it open would be a feat worth mentioning

I also not sure if you could fit 9 plates on each side of an Oly bar + the spring locking gizmo, or could you. I have never actually tried to see how many plates go on a bar. However when you are watching competitions on TV etc, there never seems to be 9 plates on each side of the bar.

M

the drifter

As far as im aware...and ive seen a few 350+ deadlifts....50kg plates are used as the first two plates on the bar

TommyKnocker

Do you reckon that you could get 9 plates on each side of an Oly bar though?

M

BrianD3

I just measured my Olympic bar there, you would get 9 X 20 kg metal plates each side and still have room for spring clips. I think you'd struggle to get 10 x 20 kg plates each side though.

If 25 or 50 kg plates (of the same diameter as the 20s) were used they would likely be more efficent in terms of space and allow more weight to be put on.

TommyKnocker

Just found the previous clip. It was 300Kg for 6 reps in WW Clontarf.

It's the youtube link in the second post.

M

rubadub

the drifter wrote: »

As far as im aware...and ive seen a few 350+ deadlifts....50kg plates are used as the first two plates on the bar

Would they have 50kg plates in Westwood though? probably not. I would be worried about the bar itself too, looking on youtube at 400kg lifts it bends like mad.

the drifter

if its an eliko bar or the likes it will be fine....there all 1000lb tested...they would want to be at the price of them!!

TommyKnocker

rubadub wrote: »

Would they have 50kg plates in Westwood though? probably not. I would be worried about the bar itself too, looking on youtube at 400kg lifts it bends like mad.

Nope, 25kg plates are the biggest. At least in WW Clontarf. And the bars are nothing special either. Just your bog standard oly bar.

I work with a guy who is seriously into oly lifting and I think that he said he paid some astronomical price for a competition oly bar. Possibly in the €800 range or maybe it was $800. Does this sound right? I remember thinking that he must be mad though when he told me about it. He also has a full set of rubber weights and built himself a lifting platform in his house :eek:

M

Hanley

Lets be real for a second...

It's a commercial gym... Westwood like. There's not a hope they have an Eleiko or any decent power bar, nor will they have 50kg plates. I'd say even finding 400kg of plates might be a stretch.

I have heard of that guy before, I know someone who's trained with him. AFAIK he's done some powerlifting comps. But a legit, PL standard 400kg DL? I'll believe it when I see it.

What forum was that on?

EDIT: In regards to loading big deadlifts in powerlifting comps... The IPF only ever uses 25kg plates plus whatever else is needed, but they're slimline plates. The pic below has a 385kg deadlift and there's TONS of room left for more plates. Most of the big US feds use the thicker 50kg plates for the DL's and squats as well sometimes. The IDFPA/WDFPF tends to use 50kg plates when they're available as well.

BrianD3

It was on www.octane.ie a motoring forum. This individual also apparently squats 250 kg. Now anything is possible but wouldn't someone with a 400 kg deadlift tend to have a squat much higher than 250 and likely higher than 400?

Of course there's always the possibility that someone has mixed up pounds and kilograms

the drifter

im an octane.ie memember and didnt see this?

the drifter

ah found it

text taken from octane.ie

Westwood, for a big commercial gym, is actually excellent for weights, and there are a number of russian powerlifters that use it (like one of the guys squats 250kg/deadlifts 400kg). I;ve seen guys using jumpstretch bands and chains etc. They have 2 smiths, 5 professional squat racks (5ft deep rather than 2.5ft in RAW), 4 flat free benches, 2 inclines and 1 decline, good range of dumbells up to 60-70kg. It obviously has the 50 metre pool and the spinning classes are excellent if you don't want to neglect the cardio. The machine weights are all excellent Cybex stuff for ancillaries.

the drifter

then it turned into a conversation about chuck

BrianD3

Reading that again it could be interpreted that there is a Westwood member that has deadlifted 400 kg. As opposed to saying a Westwood member has deadlifted 400 kg *in* Westwood.

Hanley

BrianD3 wrote: »

It was on www.octane.ie a motoring forum. This individual also apparently squats 250 kg. Now anything is possible but wouldn't someone with a 400 kg deadlift tend to have a squat much higher than 250 and likely higher than 400?

Of course there's always the possibility that someone has mixed up pounds and kilograms

Ummm not neccessarily. you're right, I would expect it to be a bit closer, but big Konsti pulls like 420kg raw and squats around 300kg.

the drifter wrote: »

ah found it

text taken from octane.ie

Westwood, for a big commercial gym, is actually excellent for weights, and there are a number of russian powerlifters that use it (like one of the guys squats 250kg/deadlifts 400kg). I;ve seen guys using jumpstretch bands and chains etc. They have 2 smiths, 5 professional squat racks (5ft deep rather than 2.5ft in RAW), 4 flat free benches, 2 inclines and 1 decline, good range of dumbells up to 60-70kg. It obviously has the 50 metre pool and the spinning classes are excellent if you don't want to neglect the cardio. The machine weights are all excellent Cybex stuff for ancillaries.

Guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about, or at least has read a bit. Makes it seem more credible. Still almost 100% sure 400kg hasn't been pulled IN westwood tho.

MooseJam

I wouldn't be lifting 400k even if I could, value my back too much

cardio,shoot me

MooseJam wrote: »

I wouldn't be lifting 400k even if I could, value my back too much

care to elaborate?

Chris89

MooseJam wrote: »

I wouldn't be lifting 400k even if I could, value my back too much

You cant though, so its grand.

But if you could, you wouldn't be able to..

Sangre

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

care to elaborate?

He could, but he doesn't want to.

Chris89

Sangre wrote: »

He could, but he doesn't want to.

Values his keyboard too highly.

Frank Bullitt

I think the OP is talking about a good friend of mine from Poland,was training with him today,his DL is actually 360KG,he does his fair share of strongman stuff as well.

Here is his youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/witu123

the drifter

Chris89 wrote: »

You cant though, so its grand.

But if you could, you wouldn't be able to..

wait....if he could...surely he would be able to???

Chris89

Sangre wrote: »

He could, but he doesn't want to.

the drifter wrote: »

wait....if he could...surely he would be able to???

nah

the drifter

Chris89 wrote: »

nah

You Fail :P

MooseJam

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

care to elaborate?

as in lifting very heavy weights can fubar your back, I don't think anyone would disagree, I'm sure you would say if you do it right there is no danger of that but sure you only need one mistake and you're screwed, also if you're in a gym there are lots of other people there too , just need one guy acting the maggot.

Would anybody here say noone has ever done themselves serious injury lifting very heavy weights.

Chris89

MooseJam wrote: »

as in lifting very heavy weights can fubar your back, I don't think anyone would disagree, I'm sure you would say if you do it right there is no danger of that but sure you only need one mistake and you're screwed, also if you're in a gym there are lots of other people there too , just need one guy acting the maggot.

Would anybody here say noone has ever done themselves serious injury lifting very heavy weights.

"heavy" is relative.

If you are able to pick it up, then its not heavy.
If you are able to pick it up, properly, then you wont hurt your back.

Marathon Man

Hanley wrote: »

Lets be real for a second...

It's a commercial gym... Westwood like. There's not a hope they have an Eleiko or any decent power bar, nor will they have 50kg plates. I'd say even finding 400kg of plates might be a stretch.

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QFT. When I leg press 350+ in Trinity gym, a que of people come over asking for plates, as its pretty much all the big plates (and some small ones too) in the place. Just can't be done during peak hours. Firstly, getting them would be a problem. Secondly, murder would ensue in holding the whole gym up. Would love to do it some day though :-).

MooseJam

Chris89 wrote: »

If you are able to pick it up, then its not heavy.

Until you drop it on your foot - then F*CK YEA it's heavy :rolleyes:

Hanley

MooseJam wrote: »

as in lifting very heavy weights can fubar your back, I don't think anyone would disagree, I'm sure you would say if you do it right there is no danger of that but sure you only need one mistake and you're screwed, also if you're in a gym there are lots of other people there too , just need one guy acting the maggot.

Lol light weights can injure you to. "Heavy" is relative.

Would anybody here say noone has ever done themselves serious injury lifting very heavy weights.

Weak argument. The number of injuries per participant hours in weight lifting related activities is minuscule compared to main stream sports.

Ya play soccer/rugby/GAA? Ever injure yourself doing that?

brianthebard

Is this guys squat not quite weak compared to his dead? You could say that he is built for the dead etc but I wouldn't have thought a 150kg difference was normal at that level?

Mickk

He is a beast and is quite tall which might account for the good rather than savage squat. He also predominantly trains strongman which is more deadlifting orientated, he came second in my strongman comp. He was only beaten by Zydrunas Savickas's training partner and teammate who flew in from Lithuania for the show! (He didn't tell Zydrunas about the show because he wanted the 4k prizemoney himself!)

I have to admit I nearly broke the lad in Westwood, he came back the day after the show to do exhibitions lifting the hummer (the winner had already flown home!) and was a bit sore but reckoned he could do one rep easy enough every hour or so. He got all warmed up and it was announced over the loud speaker (at the toys for big boys show) that he was going to do it. There was a massive crowd gathered around and he got psyched up and tried to lift it. It got up half way and wasn't budging. He dropped it with the crowd just looking at him not saying a word, so he took a sniff of his salt ammonia caps and had another go. Same again after really giving it his all it just wasn't happening.

He had to give up and the crowd were still hanging around thinking it might still happen, he said even though he was tired it felt heavier, was there anything extra in the back. What I didn't realise was that the lads who helped me run the show had put about 200kg of plates, 2 sets of 50kg farmers walk handles, 2 40kg steel logs and 2 40kg kettlebells in the back after the show finished the day before. It was in the expo hall overnight so i wasn't in it to notice them but I have never been so embarrassed in my life. Infront of the two lads and most of the crowd I had to take half a tonne out of the back of it, I'm just glad he didn't hurt himself...