Astana was carry transfusions equipment sduring the 2009 tour

Caroline_ie

For those who can't read french, I am working on a translation ...

Vélo

Caroline_ie wrote: »

For those who can't read french, I am working on a translation ...

Hurry up!

blorg

Caroline_ie wrote: »

For those who can't read french, I am working on a translation ...

French newspaper. Not reliable. Bunch of haters.

lukester

Google page translation

Caroline_ie

Feck google -

To sum up.

The Paris court told Le Monde that Astana has committed an infraction during the 2009 tour de France.
This was concluded during an investigation started in Paris. According our information, transfusions kits were seized by the gendarmes in charge of public health safety.

However, according to a source close to the investigation ' Possession on transfusion kits are in itself a criminal offence' (stated by the July 3rd 2008 law against drugs trafficking). The transfusion gear is indeed written on the list of forbidden methods on the anti Doping agency.

The preliminary investigation, that also involved other teams, will now only focus on Astana as not enough evidence were found against the other teams.

Apart from the transfusion kits, they have found more in the bedroom's bins of LA. ( syringes with different size needles ). Lab test confirmed the presence of polypeptides.

According to a source close to the investigation more tests will be carried out to verify they are indeed growth hormones. Investigators from l'Oclaesp also seized antihypertensers in Asatana’s hotels. These are not forbidden, but according t anti doping experts, they re often used to treat hypertension associated with blood transfusion or EPO.

The same source says, 7 genetic profiles from different riders have been made from Astana own samples but identification can only be possible if UCI release the profiles to the French justice. However the relations between French justice and UCI have been quite tense since the French anti doping agency denounced a preferential behaviour in favour the Astana team during the last TdF.

UCI has denied and favouritism and said they would not need the French Anti Doping Agency during the 2010 tour.

In the report given to the Paris court, the investigator fro the Oclaesp confirmed the Astana team benefited from important delays before anti doping tests. ‘ important delays that could allow blood to be diluted for example’.

The end -
-- Oclaesp = gendarmes in charge of public health safety.

blorg

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=6&click_id=185&art_id=nw20091223165430907C924168

furiousox

Hmm...I can't believe at this stage of the game that LA or Astana would be careless enough to leave used syringes in a hotel bedroom bin??

blorg

furiousox wrote: »

Hmm...I can't believe at this stage of the game that LA or Astana would be careless enough to leave used syringes in a hotel bedroom bin??

I thought that sounded fishy too. I think it's a French stitch-up.

Vélo

He was probably off his head so didn't know what he was doing;)

In fairness, it does sound a bit suspect. He's hardly going to leave needles lying around like that.

el tel

The only thing I find suspicious is that it has taken this long for the story to break. If it turned out that Astana and/or 80% of the riders in the TdeF were juiced in some way I would be not be shocked in the slightest. There's a beautiful grotesqueness to modern professional cycling. It's like watching the whale being towed through the streets of Taiwan but you know ithat it is going to explode.

niceonetom

el tel wrote: »

[cycling] is like watching the whale being towed through the streets of Taiwan but you know that it is going to explode.

Simile of the week.

Chips Lovell

furiousox wrote: »

Hmm...I can't believe at this stage of the game that LA or Astana would be careless enough to leave used syringes in a hotel bedroom bin??

Not the first time it's happened. They investigated US Postal over material they left behind at a hotel before. Nothing came of it.

el tel wrote: »

The only thing I find suspicious is that it has taken this long for the story to break.

It broke ages ago actually. This is just the latest development.

RobFowl

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french-agency-targets-astana-for-illegal-transfusion-kit

Syringes seized during Tour de France show seven DNA fingerprints
An investigation into medical equipment seized by French police during the Tour de France is closing in on the Astana team. A new report by Le Monde states that the Central Office against Environmental Damage and Public Health (OCLAESP) have limited any further proceedings to the Astana team after finding insufficient evidence against other teams.
The public prosecutor in Paris opened the investigation in October after OCLAESP claimed it had uncovered "suspect" syringes in the medical waste disposed by the Astana team. The latest finding states that infusion equipment, which were banned by the World Anti-doping Agency in July, 2008 except in cases of medical emergency, was among the material.
The possession of intravenous drip bags could constitute a breach of French law banning the sale or possession of illegal drugs.
The finding could mean the Tour de France champion Alberto Contador as well as his then-teammates including Lance Armstrong and director Johan Bruyneel could be questioned by the French authorities.
Le Monde's sources claim that analysis of the medical waste show the presence of "polypeptides". The Paris laboratory Toxlab is testing for the presence of growth hormone. Also seized from the Astana team were anti-hypertensive drugs.
The newspaper also claims that DNA testing on the seized Astana team material revealed the presence of seven unique DNA fingerprints, but linking the evidence to individual riders would rely upon the UCI sharing its blood profile data with the French authorities.
Such cooperation is complicated by a conflict between the UCI and the French anti-doping authority AFLD over testing at this year's Tour de France. The AFLD lodged repeated complaints this summer that the Astana team had been given preferential treatment by the UCI during the Tour de France, charging that riders were allowed to delay giving their samples by nearly an hour. The team denied holding up the proceedings, stating that the testers arrived earlier than expected and waited voluntarily.


(Personally prefered Caroline's translation )

ednwireland

french lance hating cancer lovers

Chips Lovell

He needed that transfusion equipment to cure cancer.

IM0

caroline.ie's translation wrote:

growth hormones.... These are not forbidden, but according to anti doping experts, they re often used to treat hypertension associated with blood transfusion or EPO.

if Im reading them right and not powerphrasing too much, then it brings to mind Floyd's case and someone on an interweb article making a defence on the basis that taking growth hormone in the middle of the tour was pointless and needed to be taken back in the off season to be effective for boosting muscle bulk.

Well if its used to mask EPO or transfusions then thats an entirely different story!

Junior

It also bothers me that the French seem to be more interested in playing out the case in the papers as per usual rather than nailing the evidence as 100% to make sure there's no f*ck up, I know I sound as if I'm on the side of LA, but I'm not, I'd rather they quietly quietly went about nailing the dopers, got everything in a line and bang hang the f*ckers out to dry so there's no malinginering around like Valverde.

amjon

el tonto wrote: »

He needed that transfusion equipment to cure cancer.

Pity he hasn't found a cure for narcism.

jwshooter

they found syringes and needles in the garbage and hotel rooms.

right ! , how careless of astana.

calerbass

To quote Jacques Anquetil " you wont win the tour on mineral water and bread"

jwshooter

calerbass wrote: »

To quote Jacques Anquetil " you wont win the tour on mineral water and bread"

say you would be lacking your 5 a day oright.

Lumen

me@ucd wrote: »

if Im reading them right and not powerphrasing too much, then it brings to mind Floyd's case and someone on an interweb article making a defence on the basis that taking growth hormone in the middle of the tour was pointless and needed to be taken back in the off season to be effective for boosting muscle bulk.

Well if its used to mask EPO or transfusions then thats an entirely different story!

Yes, you are paraphrasing too much.

According to Caroline, "Investigators from l'Oclaesp also seized antihypertensers in Asatana’s hotels. These are not forbidden, but according to anti doping experts, they re often used to treat hypertension associated with blood transfusion or EPO."

Both blood doping and EPO-like drugs thicken your blood (more red cells in the same plasma volume). I'm not sure how this is related to hypertension, but it is. Perhaps the kidneys automatically increase the plasma volume in an attempt to thin the blood back down (non-medical speculation, IANAD).

aidandoyle

I just wanted to clarify something about the article: They never said that they found that stuff in Lance Armstrongs room. What they said was that they found the stuff in the bedrooms of the ex team of Lance Armstrong. Plus they say that everything they found regarding actual medication was permissible ( granted could be used for this, could be used for that, but actually not banned stuff).

Chips Lovell

I think we're all missing the most important point here, that it's seriously cool that Michael Schumacher is back and that "It Might Get Loud" featuring Jimmy Page, Jack White, and The Edge is incredibly badass.

Bunnyhopper

Lumen wrote: »

Yes, you are paraphrasing too much.

Actually, I quite like "powerphrasing" - I might start using it in a "footpad" stylee

Raam

el tonto wrote: »

I think we're all missing the most important point here, that it's seriously cool that Michael Schumacher is back and that "It Might Get Loud" featuring Jimmy Page, Jack White, and The Edge is incredibly badass.

Sounds like you are enjoying the sangria

Chips Lovell

More like Lance is.

leftism

Lumen wrote: »

Both blood doping and EPO-like drugs thicken your blood (more red cells in the same plasma volume). I'm not sure how this is related to hypertension, but it is. Perhaps the kidneys automatically increase the plasma volume in an attempt to thin the blood back down (non-medical speculation, IANAD).

MAP = CO x SVR

Mean Arterial Pressure = Cardiac Output x Systemic Vascular Resistance.

The two main determining factors of vascular resistance are diameter of the small arterioles and blood viscosity.


EPO and other blood boosters increase the number of circulating red blood cells which causes the blood to be more viscous. Increasing blood viscosity will thus increase Mean arterial pressure leading to hypertension.

Raam

el tonto wrote: »

More like Lance is.

Ah, I get it now.

IM0

Lumen wrote: »

Yes, you are paraphrasing too much.

thought so! - though was wishfull thinking solving floyds case like that

Pherekydes

I'd be surprised if any pro team didn't have transfusion equipment in this day and age, especially for a grand tour. Dehydration would be a problem frequently encountered and what are they going to do? Sip water all night?

L'Equipe should go root in some other teams' hotel bins. They might be surprised.

Chips Lovell

Pherekydes wrote: »

I'd be surprised if any pro team didn't have transfusion equipment in this day and age, especially for a grand tour. Dehydration would be a problem frequently encountered and what are they going to do? Sip water all night?

They're banned by WADA.

Pherekydes wrote: »

L'Equipe should go root in some other teams' hotel bins. They might be surprised.

It wasn't L'Equipe, it was French public health officials. And they did root in other teams' bins. Astana was the only team they found sufficient evidence against to mount a prosecution.

furiousox

el tonto wrote: »

I think we're all missing the most important point here, that it's seriously cool that Michael Schumacher is back and that "It Might Get Loud" featuring Jimmy Page, Jack White, and The Edge is incredibly badass.

...and allegedly a dvd rip of said film is allegedly already available for download on certain alleged torrent sites.....allegedly!

Disclaimer: did I mention that this is all "allegedly"?, oh yeah looks like I did, good film btw, I watched it earlier......allegedly.

Happy Christmas! :pac: