ideas to challenge the ones who do the odd swim and cycle !

MCOS

Ok, I'm working NY eve so I'm going to be bored (pending any disasters that is) and thus I'm going to lob up a swimming challenge 'a la' Woddles 1000mile challenge.. don't worry it won't involve swimming 1000miles! I will make it interesting hopefully and also create a distinction between those training for tri-aTry, Sprint, Oly, HIM and IM or even channel swimmers!

So, I'm just throwing it out there to get the feeling on it before I set it up to gather ideas but also to see if and how cycling could be incorporated. The 1000mile thread is obviously the choice for running but for the triathletes you could be doing just 500miles in the year but its only 30% or so of your total training volume.

So there will be another Woddle running Challenge, I'll certainly throw up a swimming one too. Is that enough then or do we need a whole Tri challenge thread. I'm not sure, I just think it would be nice to have a Tri based challenge of some sort. Hey we will even have the like of Krusty Clown in the swimming one or Lumen from the Cycling forum!

If there were separate run, swim and bike challenges would it give Hunnymonster too many sleepless night trying to maintain the lead in all 3

Thoughts appreciated?

Krusty_Clown

MCOS wrote: »

Hey we will even have the like of Krusty Clown in the swimming one or Lumen from the Cycling forum!

Fat chance, unless 20 widths of 33m pool counts for anything!!
Why not follow Tunney's suggestion, which scored points based on the specific tri disciplines? You could make it an annual challenge, with quarterly sub-goals. A duathlon, or runner could also enter the competition, scoring only on their specific activity. Rather than make it 'first to score x points' instead it would be 'most points scored over a three month period'.

MCOS

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Fat chance, unless 20 widths of 33m pool counts for anything!!
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33*15 is nearly 500m you know, 1 session per week af that is approx 26,000 meters which is 2 thirds the way across the English Channel!

mloc123

I was kinda thinking about this the other night while out running, maybe derive a formula from tri distances.. so for example:

based on (750,20,5) 1k swam = 26.6k cycle = 6.6k run

Krusty_Clown

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Fat chance, unless 20 widths of 33m pool counts for anything!!

Ahem. you were saying?

MCOS

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Ahem. you were saying?

Yeah 33m pool would be about 15m wide

pgibbo

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Fat chance, unless 20 widths of 33m pool counts for anything!!
Why not follow Tunney's suggestion, which scored points based on the specific tri disciplines? You could make it an annual challenge, with quarterly sub-goals. A duathlon, or runner could also enter the competition, scoring only on their specific activity. Rather than make it 'first to score x points' instead it would be 'most points scored over a three month period'.

+1

Sounds like a good way to structure it.

MCOS

The points way is a good idea but how to flesh it out and agree on the structure.

For instance

- Rules blah blah
-Formula 1pt = xswim y bike z run kms

1. Tunney 9,000.06 pts
2. HM 8,123.11 pts
3. Interested 7,345.67 pts

etc......

How would we know just what the split was or how someone ammassed their points. I'd like to see the s/b/r distances too rather than just a list of points.

As for the bonus points Tunney suggested 2hr run, 120mile bike and 3.5mile swim all getting 2 bonus points is really for a specific couple of boardsies that are training for the long distance and would thus be in a league of their own (not that they wouldn't be top anyway.. bonus just moves them further away )

Ah the joy of Multisport and creating a 'simple' challenge of it.

It could be a good challenge though as we would see the kind of mileage the various distance athletes put in. I know it was an eye opener to me to see how rapidly the Ultra runners wrapped up the 1000mile challenge this year. Would have been great to keep these guys on the challenge for the year somehow... same for the IM types in a Tri challenge.

The more ideas thet better though as I'll be putting something up to keep us entertained!

MrCreosote

What about adding the power output together. We could have a 1000 kilowatt hour challenge? That way how tough your run/cycle/swim is would be taken into account.

I'm only half joking!

Might be hard to work out though.

RedB

I'd vote for the simple option - have 3 lists (1 for each sport) in the one thread and people can rank themselves per sport and see how the compare across all three. Maybe have targets like 100mile (or km) swim, 10,000km cycle, 1000 mile run.

hunnymonster

a tri challenge is pointless!

I like the idea and will play by whatever rules and formulae you decide on.

catweazle

a tri challenge is pointless!

Ya have all three in the same table, well spaced out, the runners will only be looking at the running column anyways etc etc, triathlon guys will look at all three. I will do grand up to April on running then I would expect i will be cutting down on that and looking at doing more swimming and cycling so it would be nice to still go in and update on a regular basis.

I dont know if i would bother with the points, it will cause confusion, suffice to say anything in eg. three figures for swimming, the swimmers will know it is good going

pgibbo

RedB wrote: »

I'd vote for the simple option - have 3 lists (1 for each sport) in the one thread and people can rank themselves per sport and see how the compare across all three. Maybe have targets like 100mile (or km) swim, 10,000km cycle, 1000 mile run.

I'd be a big fan of keeping it simple...... How do you measure or evaluate turbo sessions if you don't have a speedo on your back wheel?

MCOS

I agree on simple too. If its easier to post then more will get involved. Hence why the more ideas the better.

Mileage on the turbo pgibbo? Tunney or HM might have a better answer to this but a decent estimate is good enough I'd say. All depends on the session you do and the resistance too. I know for example I might do 30km in an hour on the road but on the turbo at the same intensity it would be more like 25. Put the brake on 2 levels and its more like 20km.. etc..

Simple is the challenge here really. How to incorporate the 3 disciplines to the taste of the majority. Seems a list for each sport is the simplest and easiest to recognise without having a paragraph to explain at the top.

Posters can be denoted by how long they plan to go, eg IM, HIM, OLY, SP etc... maybe SS for single sport in case runners, cyclicts or swimmers want to join in

Anyway it leaves the important part and thats the Challenge! I've worked out a bunch of different stats but simple it aint. The difference between the hours an IM athlete and First time Try a Tri is enourmous so even a middle of the road target is too far from either. I'm very interested to hear what people would like the challenge to be.

The swim one could be a virtual channel crossing, about 34km I think. SP target is to do it once, Oly target is over and back, HIM 2 laps etc...

Cycling I don't know as I don't put in the miles of most other triathletes

Run targets?

Also, keep it all in km?

Loads in it but I'll condense to as simple as possible next week

MCOS

any more suggestions or ideas out there for this one

Definitely putting up a swim challenge but how to turn it into a tri challenge? Would it make sense to simply have a swim challenge a bike one and Woddle's run one?

In the Tri related one I suggest denoting the longest distance you will train for (IM, HIM etc...)

Perhaps in Woddles challenge it could be an idea to denote as such
(M, HM, 10k, Tri etc..)

theo4130

MCOS wrote: »

Definitely putting up a swim challenge but how to turn it into a tri challenge? Would it make sense to simply have a swim challenge a bike one and Woddle's run one?

In the Tri related one I suggest denoting the longest distance you will train for (IM, HIM etc...)

Perhaps in Woddles challenge it could be an idea to denote as such
(M, HM, 10k, Tri etc..)

newbie here, yeah the above sounds great, i catn wait to try this google spreadsheet out, might keep my training more regular.

MCOS

A/R/T swim bike run challenge suggested table format

name|swim mts|name|bike kms|name|run kms
athlete abc(IM)|11,500mts|athlete abc(IM)|3,500kms|athlete pqr(OLY)|650kms
athlete def(HIM)|8,500mts|athlete bike|2,900kms|athlete def(HIM)|500kms
athlete xyz(SP)|6,250mts|athlete def(HIM)|1,500kms|athlete abc(IM)|475kms
athlete pqr(OLY)|5,250mts|athlete pqr(OLY)|900kms|athlete xyz(SP)|200kms
example|format|example|format|example|format


a possible table format which is easy enough to edit. Doesn't seem to be sorting for me though so may need help with the table head line


anyone with tips on sorting the table into correct order automatically appreciated

feedback also appreciated on the table.


A/R/T swim bike run challenge suggested list format


Swim Challenge

1. athlete abc(IM) 11,500mts
2. athlete def(HIM) 8,500mts
3. athlete pqr(OLY) 6,250mts
4. athlete xyz(SP) 5,250mts

Bike Challenge

1. athlete abc(IM) 3,500kms
2. athlete bike 2,500kms
3. athlete def(HIM) 1,500kms
4. athlete pqr(OLY) 900kms

Run Challenge

1. athlete pqr(OLY) 650kms
2. athlete def(HIM) 500kms
3. athlete abc(IM) 475kms
4. athlete xyz(SP) 200kms

Depending on the poll above of course, I'll put one of them up tomorrow with the targets and instructions.

obvious pro for list is that its simple, con is that it might get very very long with 3 disciplines
obvious pro for table is that its tidier and concise, con is that it is not as easy to format (same as best of 09 thread)