Killarney Poker Festival February 2010 Tickets

Irish-Princess

Hi All,

Between myself and my partner we have won three tickets for the poker festival in February. The main tournament has a guaranteed 65000 euro pot with a chance to win tickets to WSOP in Vegas 2010.

We'd both love to go but our baby is due two weeks before the tournament and we would rather sell the tickets now than be tempted to go play while caring for a newborn.

Anyways if anyone is interested in purchasing ticket please email me. You cannot buy these tickets only win them, but if you have won them you can sell them on.

*please note you must be in the IPPT League in order to play regardless of purchasing a ticket or not*

Thanks

big_iain

how much you looking for them?

Irish-Princess

300 euro per ticket. Pretty good considering the pot size

Maddogg

As far as im aware the players that purcahse these tickets will have to have played a IPPT event so your selling range is limited hence the price wold have to drop

would you not give them away to people who played in your area and maybe go on a % of there winnings

Irish-Princess

I dont think the ticket price is to big at all. When I won the first ticket I was offered 400 euro for it and didnt take it because I knew my partner wanted to go, he's since said that he'd rather not leave the newborn as well.

I'm not living in the area I was playing poker in as i'm up in parents house till I have baby so not around all the poker players to sell them, and whats the likeliness of someone sticking to giving you money they win out of a huge tournament. I'd be risking a loss there big time giving someone tickets and just hoping that if they won they'd be good enough to stick to their word to share their winnings, and besides what if they won one of the many holiday, how do you share that???

Tickets are reasonable at 300 euro tournament director has even said that (in fact i could get more but i'm just looking for that).

Himself played in a tourny two weeks ago for 110 euro and it was only a 4000 pot so i think 300 euro for a 65000 pot is a fair offer. I know were restricted to the players in the IPPT League but as far as i'm aware you only need to attend one game to be eligable so its not a huge task to get into the league as they have events every week.

Maddogg

im playing poker a long time and one thing i can say about poker players is that they a very honest about %'s on winnings when agreed.....

In nearly every tourney you will play, no mtter how big or small it is, you are guarnteed that there is other players having % on each other!!!!

i know one guy that has 3 tickets foir this event and has given 2 away (one was going to me but i since won my own) and he is on 50% of there winnings which i have no doubt he'll get.

if you dont sell them and are stuck with one i have a player who play for you and give you 50%, he hasnt been able to play for this as he has been TD for tourneys for these games

on another note, best of luck to you and your other half on the new arrival, that should knock the poker on the head for awhile

Irish-Princess

i personally would rather just get the transaction over and done with. i would be taking a loss if i gave someone a ticket and they won nothing. We both really wanted to go to the tournament and seeing as how we cant i'd rather sell it and then it be done. I wouldnt want to chase anyone for a % of their winnings and they have no obligation to forfill that kind of agreement. There are plenty of honest people in the game but also people that would win and you'd not know a thing of it.

There are plenty of people in the league that want tickets, I was offered 400 at beginning when i won the first ticket and didnt think it would collide with the tourny but now it will..

I'd happily have paid 300 if i didnt win ticket and wanted to go as it has go a great pot and its bound to be a brilliant weekend with the other events going on. i've had someone interested in two tickets so far off this site.

Also if i was to give the tickets away and hope for an honest person to agree to a percentage and nooone won anything then we'd be at a loss as we both played every week for 12 weeks.

thanks for the congrats:D

Sirtoyou

Considering that this tournament is expected to have a 700+ field a €200k+ prizepool would have to be guaranteed to make these tickets worth €300.There market value should be less than €100 a piece.

IPPT

Irish-Princess wrote: »

i personally would rather just get the transaction over and done with. i would be taking a loss if i gave someone a ticket and they won nothing. We both really wanted to go to the tournament and seeing as how we cant i'd rather sell it and then it be done. I wouldnt want to chase anyone for a % of their winnings and they have no obligation to forfill that kind of agreement. There are plenty of honest people in the game but also people that would win and you'd not know a thing of it.

There are plenty of people in the league that want tickets, I was offered 400 at beginning when i won the first ticket and didnt think it would collide with the tourny but now it will..

I'd happily have paid 300 if i didnt win ticket and wanted to go as it has go a great pot and its bound to be a brilliant weekend with the other events going on. i've had someone interested in two tickets so far off this site.

Also if i was to give the tickets away and hope for an honest person to agree to a percentage and nooone won anything then we'd be at a loss as we both played every week for 12 weeks.

thanks for the congrats:D

pm sent

Irish-Princess

IPPT Players:
For players information.
I have been playing for the past twelve weeks in the IPPT League and was given the opportunity to win not one but three tickets. My child is due in January so I will not be able to participate in the Killarney event so have posted on boards.ie that I will be selling the tickets for 300e a piece. Let it be noted that at the beginning of the tournament I was told the tickets were worth 286.00. I turned down an offer of 400e when I only had one ticket won as I was keeping it for my partner who has since said he wouldnt want to leave a newborn so to sell the tickets. On boards I was contacted by a tournament director who wanted to buy two tickets for 600e and that he would confirm this after calling the main TD to find out about getting tix transferred into his name.
Today I had to call the main tournament director as I was sent a private message saying the following:

the value of the ticket is worth 200 euro we had a meeting with our accountant and he did all his sums, the ticket must be passed on or sold to a person who played in the league as we have the tickets numbered and every player signed up we can track this, if any ticket is sold over priced we will cancel there membership of the ippt and money will be returned.
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When I called this TD I stated that after being told that the price was 286 I am entitled to sell them for 300 if I want. I was never told at the start that I couldnt sell tickets. If someone wants to pay 300euro for ticket then that is their perogative and the TD cannot cancel tickets on this person. The TD said he would be posting up regards this so i'm sure he'll read this and I would like to make the following points to him.

1) You said that you did not want a price war going on over tickets. Nobody is arguing regarding the price i've posted, in fact someone who works with you was happy enough to pay the price I posted. If you did not want people selling for above the price then the tournament should have been organised that people knew at the START of the league exactly how much they could sell tickets for.

2) If you did not want a price war you should have allowed ONE ticket per person. Not numerous tickets being allowed to be won.

3) You said that I could give the ticket away and ask for a percentage of the persons winnings. The top prize is 10,000e if i'm aware, if the person I gave my ticket to was lucky enough to win first prize and I had asked for 50% of their winnings then technically I would have sold my ticket for 5000e which would then declare their winnings void as you said you would cancel any tickets worth over 200e.

At the end of the day, I spent 100euro over the price for six nations rugby tickets last year, the person that sold me these tickets had every right to sell them to me at this price just as I had every right to pay over the price if I so wished to. There were NEVER any rules posted on selling tickets and for the main TD to state at the end of the league that they have now decided to add this rule in is a joke and realisticaly cant be allowed. I was told that a barrister and an accountant are onto this (which I find strange because barristers only deal with court issues, solicitors deal with the rest). For all I know I am being tricked to lower the price of the tickets so someone can buy them for 200.
Oh and I also quote the main TD on this he said that if anyone wants to buy the tickets off me for 300e he will give them a ticket for free. So hurry everyone who hasnt a ticket its a free for all, and for all those who played their best and won tickets tough, ya could have gotten one for free at the end anyway.
Tickets were 286 at start of tournament i'm selling them for 300 hardly much over the price of ticket. I will be keeping that price for the tickets I wont be bullied into changing it because TD wants to change rules. If there is a problem with the tickets after they are sold (as in being cancelled) i'm sure the ombudsman will be interested to hear in it.

Regards and good luck in the Killarney event.

Also i'm aware some people might think 300euro is a lot for the ticket, nobody is forcing anyone to buy the tickets, I'm offering the tickets for 14euro over the inititial stated price of the ticket if someone wants to pay it then great, its their choice. Choice is a great thing and i'm not forcing tickets on people. If I don't sell them here they will be sold anyway.

Thanks for reading, sorry for the rant but I am very annoyed over this.

Cheers

gorrrr72

Irish-Princess wrote: »

IPPT Players:
For players information.
I have been playing for the past twelve weeks in the IPPT League and was given the opportunity to win not one but three tickets. My child is due in January so I will not be able to participate in the Killarney event so have posted on boards.ie that I will be selling the tickets for 300e a piece. Let it be noted that at the beginning of the tournament I was told the tickets were worth 286.00. I turned down an offer of 400e when I only had one ticket won as I was keeping it for my partner who has since said he wouldnt want to leave a newborn so to sell the tickets. On boards I was contacted by a tournament director who wanted to buy two tickets for 600e and that he would confirm this after calling the main TD to find out about getting tix transferred into his name.
Today I had to call the main tournament director as I was sent a private message saying the following:

the value of the ticket is worth 200 euro we had a meeting with our accountant and he did all his sums, the ticket must be passed on or sold to a person who played in the league as we have the tickets numbered and every player signed up we can track this, if any ticket is sold over priced we will cancel there membership of the ippt and money will be returned.
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When I called this TD I stated that after being told that the price was 286 I am entitled to sell them for 300 if I want. I was never told at the start that I couldnt sell tickets. If someone wants to pay 300euro for ticket then that is their perogative and the TD cannot cancel tickets on this person. The TD said he would be posting up regards this so i'm sure he'll read this and I would like to make the following points to him.

1) You said that you did not want a price war going on over tickets. Nobody is arguing regarding the price i've posted, in fact someone who works with you was happy enough to pay the price I posted. If you did not want people selling for above the price then the tournament should have been organised that people knew at the START of the league exactly how much they could sell tickets for.

2) If you did not want a price war you should have allowed ONE ticket per person. Not numerous tickets being allowed to be won.

3) You said that I could give the ticket away and ask for a percentage of the persons winnings. The top prize is 10,000e if i'm aware, if the person I gave my ticket to was lucky enough to win first prize and I had asked for 50% of their winnings then technically I would have sold my ticket for 5000e which would then declare their winnings void as you said you would cancel any tickets worth over 200e.

At the end of the day, I spent 100euro over the price for six nations rugby tickets last year, the person that sold me these tickets had every right to sell them to me at this price just as I had every right to pay over the price if I so wished to. There were NEVER any rules posted on selling tickets and for the main TD to state at the end of the league that they have now decided to add this rule in is a joke and realisticaly cant be allowed. I was told that a barrister and an accountant are onto this (which I find strange because barristers only deal with court issues, solicitors deal with the rest). For all I know I am being tricked to lower the price of the tickets so someone can buy them for 200.
Oh and I also quote the main TD on this he said that if anyone wants to buy the tickets off me for 300e he will give them a ticket for free. So hurry everyone who hasnt a ticket its a free for all, and for all those who played their best and won tickets tough, ya could have gotten one for free at the end anyway.
Tickets were 286 at start of tournament i'm selling them for 300 hardly much over the price of ticket. I will be keeping that price for the tickets I wont be bullied into changing it because TD wants to change rules. If there is a problem with the tickets after they are sold (as in being cancelled) i'm sure the ombudsman will be interested to hear in it.

Regards and good luck in the Killarney event.

Also i'm aware some people might think 300euro is a lot for the ticket, nobody is forcing anyone to buy the tickets, I'm offering the tickets for 14euro over the inititial stated price of the ticket if someone wants to pay it then great, its their choice. Choice is a great thing and i'm not forcing tickets on people. If I don't sell them here they will be sold anyway.

Thanks for reading, sorry for the rant but I am very annoyed over this.

Cheers

I agree that you should be allowed to sell the tickets for whatever price you want. (If you find someone that dumb). But I also believe it was right for the organisers to announce what they perceive their value to be.
Nobody wants to see people being ripped off so maybe it would be fair to agree a price based on the normal formula. Divide the total prizepool by the number of players and you have your price. Maybe add on 15% for a reg fee.

For the record, I wouldn't buy tickets not knowing their true value. If there ended up being 1000 players and a €65000 prizepool it would mean the ticket was worth €65.

DAMO72

Irish-Princess wrote: »

IPPT Players:
For players information.
I have been playing for the past twelve weeks in the IPPT League and was given the opportunity to win not one but three tickets. My child is due in January so I will not be able to participate in the Killarney event so have posted on boards.ie that I will be selling the tickets for 300e a piece. Let it be noted that at the beginning of the tournament I was told the tickets were worth 286.00. I turned down an offer of 400e when I only had one ticket won as I was keeping it for my partner who has since said he wouldnt want to leave a newborn so to sell the tickets. On boards I was contacted by a tournament director who wanted to buy two tickets for 600e and that he would confirm this after calling the main TD to find out about getting tix transferred into his name.
Today I had to call the main tournament director as I was sent a private message saying the following:

the value of the ticket is worth 200 euro we had a meeting with our accountant and he did all his sums, the ticket must be passed on or sold to a person who played in the league as we have the tickets numbered and every player signed up we can track this, if any ticket is sold over priced we will cancel there membership of the ippt and money will be returned.
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When I called this TD I stated that after being told that the price was 286 I am entitled to sell them for 300 if I want. I was never told at the start that I couldnt sell tickets. If someone wants to pay 300euro for ticket then that is their perogative and the TD cannot cancel tickets on this person. The TD said he would be posting up regards this so i'm sure he'll read this and I would like to make the following points to him.

1) You said that you did not want a price war going on over tickets. Nobody is arguing regarding the price i've posted, in fact someone who works with you was happy enough to pay the price I posted. If you did not want people selling for above the price then the tournament should have been organised that people knew at the START of the league exactly how much they could sell tickets for.

2) If you did not want a price war you should have allowed ONE ticket per person. Not numerous tickets being allowed to be won.

3) You said that I could give the ticket away and ask for a percentage of the persons winnings. The top prize is 10,000e if i'm aware, if the person I gave my ticket to was lucky enough to win first prize and I had asked for 50% of their winnings then technically I would have sold my ticket for 5000e which would then declare their winnings void as you said you would cancel any tickets worth over 200e.

At the end of the day, I spent 100euro over the price for six nations rugby tickets last year, the person that sold me these tickets had every right to sell them to me at this price just as I had every right to pay over the price if I so wished to. There were NEVER any rules posted on selling tickets and for the main TD to state at the end of the league that they have now decided to add this rule in is a joke and realisticaly cant be allowed. I was told that a barrister and an accountant are onto this (which I find strange because barristers only deal with court issues, solicitors deal with the rest). For all I know I am being tricked to lower the price of the tickets so someone can buy them for 200.
Oh and I also quote the main TD on this he said that if anyone wants to buy the tickets off me for 300e he will give them a ticket for free. So hurry everyone who hasnt a ticket its a free for all, and for all those who played their best and won tickets tough, ya could have gotten one for free at the end anyway.
Tickets were 286 at start of tournament i'm selling them for 300 hardly much over the price of ticket. I will be keeping that price for the tickets I wont be bullied into changing it because TD wants to change rules. If there is a problem with the tickets after they are sold (as in being cancelled) i'm sure the ombudsman will be interested to hear in it.

Regards and good luck in the Killarney event.

Also i'm aware some people might think 300euro is a lot for the ticket, nobody is forcing anyone to buy the tickets, I'm offering the tickets for 14euro over the inititial stated price of the ticket if someone wants to pay it then great, its their choice. Choice is a great thing and i'm not forcing tickets on people. If I don't sell them here they will be sold anyway.

Thanks for reading, sorry for the rant but I am very annoyed over this.

Cheers

I have to say that i have won a seat for this event and i am now in the middle of running a four week league for the same event , and at no time have i ever been led to believe that the tickets were worth €286 .
If you want to lay any blame for you believing this is the value of the tickets then i think you should be contacting whoever ran the game that you attended as i believe these are the people who are over valueing the tickets for their own personal gain .
I think you should name and shame the operator and invite them to come on here to explain why they are ripping poker players off.

IPPT

Hi Everyone,
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[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]First of all there is no market value on the winning tickets for Killarney, we apologize if you found one of our TD's misleading whom you said gave you the price of the ticket to Killarney, as he had no right to give his own interpretation of what at the time held no value.
2.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]At a meeting with the Directors of the Company along with our accountants on Saturday 21st of November, they put a price of €200 per ticket.
3.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]At the start of the league it was stated to players that if they won more than one ticket, they could transfer their extra ticket to another player in the league. At this time there was no value on the ticket as it is a free-roll.
4.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]We have nothing to do with ticket touts of the six nations or concerts, football matches etc.. We are in the poker business and if you know the poker industry we do not encourage touting tickets.
5.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]In our phone conversation you took it up wrong when I said I have won tickets in certain venues. As I will be giving them back to the players who played in the league which will be a free-roll to them.
6.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Thanks for your comments, we have answered back to you but we cannot accept tickets being overpriced.
Final Note, there will be a new 4 week league running in January so that you can still qualify for a ticket to Killarney, for as little as €40.


Regards

IPPT

Irish-Princess

at the beginning of the tournament i was told price was 286. now to be honest I hardly think a tournament director pulled 286 out of the air as its a bit of a random estimation dont you think??? in fairness there are more and more tickets being printed for this event every week by the looks of things and i'd be wondering if the prize pot reflects on the amount of money players have paid at this stage. What i'm doing is not ticket touting but selling the tickets for 300e. 16euro above the PRICE I WAS TOLD BE YOUR TD'S!!!! I'm simply using ticketmaster as an example in the previous post. At the end of the day it would be like me going to a shop and buying something for 200euro and being told two months later the value has actually gone down to 100euro so you cant sell them for any more than that. Looking at things now I can see this event is very badly organised, and I dont think its the players people need to worry about making money off the tickets i'd imagine with the mass production of the tickets now that the Main TD is making a mint from it. The size of the pot has not changed yet the tickets are being printed by the dozen every week. Was there not to be a set amount of tickets for this event at the beginning, or has greed now taken play.

Fair enough TD i'll sell the tickets at 286. the value i was quoted at the beginning of the tournament, I shouldnt be unfairly done out of money, I've spent enough in your tournaments in the past few months so has my boyfriend and the people in our area are not impressed to hear whats going on with this ticket scam.

I am glad I didnt sell one of the TD's a ticket at the beginning of October, one of which said his friend wanted a ticket and would pay over 300euro for it, because I feel I could have been left with a legal issue over his ticket being cancelled for paying "over the marked price" as stated yesterday.. I think the main TD to this event should tread VERY carefully in regards to same as he could be left with litigation from a lot of unhappy players with to many tickets.

As regards to naming and shaming the main TD as one poster said, i'm not going to go down that road as the people who play for the IPPT will know exactly who i'm talking about.

I suggest next time people want to arrange a huge event like this they have a set amount of players allowed to qualify for the event before starting the league, the ticket value stated before the league has started and if they do not want tickets being sold then people should be only able to win ONE ticket and not numerous tickets.

If the main TD wants to tell me that I cannot sell teh tickets for over 200euro i will be looking to be given 286 per ticket as that was price told by their employer. It might be a messy road but i'm willing to go down it. I dont see why players who played their asses off for three months should have to suffer due to the organisers discrepancies.

IPPT

Hi,

Your comment about us making a mint how wrong you are we have over 100 venues in ireland which we supply tables, chips, cards, etc . We also have two full time office people to pay. To run an event this size takes a lot of planning in Killarney we will have over 125 people employed. So to say we will make a mint is so wrong thank you for your views.

Regards,

IPPT

Irish-Princess

pull the other one!!! there are over 60 pubs in the country partaking in this event every week, in my pub alone there are on average 25 people.

25*40(euro per month)=1000
1000*5(months that league will have been running)=5000 (from one pub alone) obviously a rough estimation, along with the other events that are held throughout the week such as freezeouts etc.

On your pokerinthepub.ie site you have 360 places for tickets marked on the qualifiers topic. God know how many tickets you's have actually decided to go ahead and print.

Your stating the ticket value is now 200euro???? If I sold them for that, in a months time, the tickets will have gone down AGAIN due to mass production, which would make the tickets I have now void to the person i've sold them to, as tehy would be more than the price marked now.

VERY BADLY ORGANISED. I appreciate companies want to make money, thats what its there for but dont in the meantime screw over the people actually giving you's money when they need to sell tickets. Its really none of your business what I do with my tickets. The only rules stated to actuallly qualify for the killarney event is to be a member of the league. So people can pay what they like and sell what they like for.

I'm not just speaking for myself here i'm defending every other person whose being screwed out of not being able to sell their tickets..

What freeroll by the way????? I never played a freeroll, I paid good money each week to partake in your events, something which I for one wont be doing again. My partner is also disgusted with the way things are being handled as one of these tickets is his.

Also holding another league for 4 weeks in january is fair enough, its your business, people can play all they like. I'm giving the people who dont win tickets a chance to buy them for the price i was stated. Between myself and my partner we paid 240euro just playing for these tickets, and thats not counting the freezeouts etc that we played in also during the weeks. 'we played and won, so we are entitled to do what we like with the tix.

Also you's deleted the statement I put up on the pokerinthepubsite. I'm fairly sure if you's had nothing to hide from your players that would have been left up there.

donk magnet

id like to get a point in here as i was the td in question at the start i did state that the tickets were worth AROUND €200 and did say i knew someone who was prepared to pay over €300 for the ticket as the guy works every night theres a game on and wanted to play the main event . im sorry if u feel mislead by this but i clearly stated AROUND€200 never €286 sorry for any misunderstanding but that was what i said ..

cj-

Irish-Princess wrote: »

pull the other one!!! there are over 60 pubs in the country partaking in this event every week, in my pub alone there are on average 25 people.

25*40(euro per month)=1000
1000*5(months that league will have been running)=5000 (from one pub alone) obviously a rough estimation, along with the other events that are held throughout the week such as freezeouts etc.

On your pokerinthepub.ie site you have 360 places for tickets marked on the qualifiers topic. God know how many tickets you's have actually decided to go ahead and print.

Your stating the ticket value is now 200euro???? If I sold them for that, in a months time, the tickets will have gone down AGAIN due to mass production, which would make the tickets I have now void to the person i've sold them to, as tehy would be more than the price marked now.

VERY BADLY ORGANISED. I appreciate companies want to make money, thats what its there for but dont in the meantime screw over the people actually giving you's money when they need to sell tickets. Its really none of your business what I do with my tickets. The only rules stated to actuallly qualify for the killarney event is to be a member of the league. So people can pay what they like and sell what they like for.

I'm not just speaking for myself here i'm defending every other person whose being screwed out of not being able to sell their tickets..

What freeroll by the way????? I never played a freeroll, I paid good money each week to partake in your events, something which I for one wont be doing again. My partner is also disgusted with the way things are being handled as one of these tickets is his.

Also holding another league for 4 weeks in january is fair enough, its your business, people can play all they like. I'm giving the people who dont win tickets a chance to buy them for the price i was stated. Between myself and my partner we paid 240euro just playing for these tickets, and thats not counting the freezeouts etc that we played in also during the weeks. 'we played and won, so we are entitled to do what we like with the tix.

Also you's deleted the statement I put up on the pokerinthepubsite. I'm fairly sure if you's had nothing to hide from your players that would have been left up there.

+1 and a few of the other lads i played with

donk magnet

just after seeing the post above mine in actual fact you only played 8 weeks of the league you started on league 2 i have that on paper if you wish to see it. an average of 25 is way out as the first week was 28 2nd was 18 3rd was 17 and 4th was 11 and the average for league 2 was 16 and league 1 was 11 . also how you came up €1000 is beyond me as you know yourself €10 was the buyin and the top 3 always recived prizes id like to know how you think i could pay out CASH prizes and take €10 per head for poker in the pub all out of a €10 buy in .

mdwexford

The tickets are the OP's now, the IPPT poster above should have no input into how much these are sold for, if he really said he'd cancel the tickets if sold for 300 its ridiculous.

I remember a few years ago the Irish Open sold out the night before and people were paying 7k for a 4.5k ticket, you didnt see PP caring because its nothing to do with them.

Irish-Princess

Donk-magnet!!! you really are acting like a bloody donk. I should have recorded teh call i made to you the other night after speaking to main TD when you said 286 to me. Bloody lies!! i'm actually disgusted with ya that you've the cheek to challenge me on this, I was good enough not to name you as I didnt hold you to blame for any of this but you can go to hell as well, Very cowardly that you'd change your tune so fast. Grow a pair will ya, I actually had a lot of time for you and spoke very highly of ya but ya can p!ss off now, lying about what you CLEARLY said to me two nights ago!!! And did i ever even once say YOU were the one making the money I said teh main organisers so dont annoy me, if you had any kind of decency you would have rang me to discuss this instead of being a coward about it, oh also you stated the tournament league should have only been ten euro, twice you tried to charge me and my boyfriend 15 euro only we knew the real price.

To be honest it doesn't sound like you to lie so i'm going to presume this is someone trying to find out information. The person I know wouldnt lie to protect his own arse if it is not you disregard it. But if it is i'm disgusted with ya!!!

MD Wexford- Thank you finally someone speaking sense. It has absolutely nothing to do with the event organisers what I do with tickets, especially after being told I could sell them for whatever at the start. To be honest i'm that p!ssed off with the whole thing I couldnt be bothered with them. They've turned me off playing in any event in the future i'm FUMING over them.

IF ANYONE WANTS TO BUY THESE TICKETS OFF ME PLEASE PM ME. I WILL SELL THEM FOR 200 EURO, I WANT RID OF THEM AT THIS STAGE I DONT WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS EVENT OR THESE PEOPLE EVER AGAIN, and good luck to any poor fecker that gets screwed over in the future with them cause i'm sure I wont be the last.

Poker_king

i just wanna say in irish-princesses defence i think ya have ben treated realy unfairly and dont blame ya goin mad over it. Its not like u can even go 2d event didnt u say ur baby is due? i emailed dat ippt guy 2 see wha would happen about me caz i paid 380 for me ticket and he did say he would refund the price and i know that wouldnt happen. he said 2me that he wanted 2 know who i bought d tickets off. I didnt tell him he wnt be finding out my identity caz he'll prob cancel d other fellas membership and dats hardly fair on him caz i offered the 380 for the ticket. anyways just wanted 2 say i think its bolox wha theyve done and your right they prob are just tryin to make money out of the whole thing and that donk magnet td fella sounds like a prick for tellin ye one thing at d start then lyin bout it now but it is a recession and ppl will do anythin to protect their jobs. yer just a number 2 them and theyve made their money off ya. Yer best off away from it all ye dnt need d stress wen yer havin a bby hope ye get rid of the tickets and good luck wit everythin.

Irish-Princess

Thanks poker king. its nice someone has the balls to stand up and speak the truth

Yes your probably best off not giving them any information on the person you bought the ticket from who knows what rules they might apply next eh, its really turned me off playing poker in public events again, and I can now see why there can be so much controversy over poker when people like this are running it.

Good luck with the tournament

mddgfc

hmmm poker king sign up and makes 1st post like that in your defence IP, I smell another multi accounting scandal about to grip poker!

gorrrr72

mddgfc wrote: »

hmmm poker king sign up and makes 1st post like that in your defence IP, I smell another multi accounting scandal about to grip poker!

+1
And purposly writes the post like an 8 year old to try and disguise that fact.

Irish-Princess

right sure... cause i've that much time on christmas night to be doing that. I must have have three accounts come to think of it since mdwexford defended the tickets also. God i've so much time on my hands really i do..

Its funny all i wanted to do was sell the tickets and i've got this crap its unreal.

gorrrr72

Sorry about the cynicism princess, on Christmas too.
From what you've said so far it does look like you were misled.

But like I said earlier, nobody likes to see people getting ripped off. The fact that you feel that you were misled as regards the ticket value doesn't justify selling them at the wrongly inflated price.

In saying that, if someone is willing to pay over the odds for them then the organizers shouldn't be getting involved at this stage. They should have made those rules clear at the start.

When you post tickets for sale on a public forum you are going to get opinions as to whether they represent good value or not. This is a community of sorts after all.

These "freerolls" are a bad idea imo, when there are cash prizes there has to be a value for an entry ticket. We all know nothing in life is free, the prizemoney has to come from somewhere.

DAMO72

Irish-Princess wrote: »

right sure... cause i've that much time on christmas night to be doing that. I must have have three accounts come to think of it since mdwexford defended the tickets also. God i've so much time on my hands really i do..

Its funny all i wanted to do was sell the tickets and i've got this crap its unreal.

I'll give ya a nifty for each ticket

Irish-Princess

oh and about donk saying the average and the pot size is all wrong from what i'm saying.. even if there were only 10 people in each pub in the 100 pubs around the country that are registered, then throughout the whole thing the ippt would rake in 160,000 euro for a 65,000 euro pot!!! and thats ten people per pub!!! there is more than 10 people playing each week. so there is loads being raked in. you's are entitled to make your money its a business but dont pretend like you's are poker saints doing it for the love of the game, and then acting like i'm the bad person for trying to sell my tickets

Irish-Princess

a nifty????

and in regards to people opinions re ticket pricing, The price i posted up was 16euro over the price i was given by directors so it wasnt like i was ripping anyone off in fairness, also the person that private messaged me offering me 600 for two tickets was a different tournament director which i wont name. So if they were badly priced i dont think i would have been offered anything from a TD let alone anyone else in the game. I have been misled and i'm raging over the management of the whole thing, I personally think if the TD's want such control over my tickets they can give me 200euro for each one (but i can guarantee you they are selling these tickets themselves for well over the "200 valued price")

Greenmachine

the amatuer league was held over 12 weeks in 100 pubs. consisting of 3, 4 week miny leagues. Players qualified on points. The number of players that qualified from a venue was dependant on the average number of player over the 4 weeks of the mini league.

Where I Played I qualified for killarney in the first 4 weeks with 20 points from 2 first places finishes.

Points the next week then another win. At this stage I was told I could nominate if I qualified twice. Guys were bidding against each other for my second seat which I never won.

Personally I wouldn't have taken them money, and would have let the player next in points take the ticket.

Made a few more final tables amde my money back twice and got 2 points in the last 4 week league.

We had a loyalty game for player who had played over the 12 weeks with some more tickets. bOth ticket winners already had their tickets to killarney and just nominated two other regulars.

I haven't worked out the logistics of it but I have got value for money and had a great 3 months with a bunch of lovely people.

For the price of it all I FEEL LIKE i have robbed them.

Will be spectating at a €65 freezeout 29th same place, same time. Someone may know who i am at this stage. If so just say hello when we meet and see if our understanding of the whole set-up is the same.

From the beginning I heard there would be about 700 people fighing over the GURANTEED pool of €65k.

Side games aswell for those who didn't qualify, and it is all dealer dealt. For me it is worth it for the weekend away alone. €65k guranteed pool in my opinion is excellent considering this was B4 they knew how many pubs or players would be involved. THE Pool might be bigger if it went down in other places as well at my local. First week we had 25 players and we peaked at 49 players per week towards the end.

If it was as sucessful elsewhere there will be plenty of money on offer.
I heard mention of a january league too. NO idea if it will be completly seperate or will top up the main pool. I will be there either way i enjoyed the last few months of poker and want to continue playing tiurnies right up to killarney.

ThAT'S MY LOT. everyone else can make their own minds up as to how well it is organised. Personally I think it has been well organised.

kebabfest

Is the 286 euros set in stone ?

Irish-Princess

in reply to the above statement,

I never once said that it wasnt an enjoyable tournament, in fact it was pretty much my night out for the week, one which i looked forward to each week. What you do with your ticket is your choice, which is exactly what this whole argument is over, forgive me for being annoyed about being able to do what I want with my own property. Also you said you had people bidding for the second ticket which you never won, i'm sure if this bid had gone over 200 euro and they actually transacted with you then they should have their membership cancelled and also yours for selling above the marked price, now does that sound fair to you? If you want to play for the 16 weeks that the league will be running then you have every right to and if you win ten tickets then you can give them away for free if you want, thats your choice, and its exactly what i'm saying in this whole mess of a thing CHOICE something i'm not being given. I personally dont want to play a game and give tickets away after spending money to play, why should I do that just because other people would. Other people would say your mad for give away tickets you played for for free, but at the end of teh day you should have the option to do whatever you like with your ticket and not have anyone stopping you. I played the league for as long as i played it and had a great time doing it the lads at the poker nights were dead sound and i cant say a bad thing about any of the players which I played with but this has been a sour ending to a brilliant few nights out, and yes to be honest i'll miss playing the poker nights as I made some good friends at it, but i'd rather not pay into an organisation that can treat someone so unfairly as to say what they can and cannot do with something that does not belong to them, the tickets are mine, they have my name on it who are they to tell me what i can and cannot do with them. Think about it that way.

Irish-Princess

kebabfest wrote: »

Is the 286 euros set in stone ?

clearly not kebabfest or i would have been able to sell my tickets. by the looks of things the ticket value will keep going down.

Greenmachine

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Irish-Princess wrote: »

in reply to the above statement,

I never once said that it wasnt an enjoyable tournament, in fact it was pretty much my night out for the week, one which i looked forward to each week. What you do with your ticket is your choice, which is exactly what this whole argument is over, forgive me for being annoyed about being able to do what I want with my own property. Agreed 100% Also you said you had people bidding for the second ticket which you never won, i'm sure if this bid had gone over 200 euro and they actually transacted with you then they should have their membership cancelled and also yours for selling above the marked price, If I won a second ticket I could nominate a player. There was conditions attached to who I could nominate though. Only players who had played all 4 weeks of that particular league could be nominated. i Don't understand now does that sound fair to you? I missed week 4 but qualified on my 2 wins in week 2 and 3. Week 5 I won again. So everyone had me figured as a shark. Also they were there for three reasons some craic, free food, and a chance to play in a big tournament.


If you want to play for the 16 weeks that the league will be running then you have every right to and if you win ten tickets then you can give them away for free if you want,
It is a 12 week leaGUE i am in the dark as to how the january league is related to the rest. My local might just be running another 4 weeks to get new people in the door, or could be in all the venues. I am just a player like yourself.




thats your choice, and its exactly what i'm saying in this whole mess of a thing CHOICE something i'm not being given. I personally dont want to play a game and give tickets away after spending money to play, why should I do that just because other people would. Other people would say your mad for give away tickets you played for for free, but at the end of teh day you should have the option to do whatever you like with your ticket and not have anyone stopping you.

My Position is a follows. MY Openents were convinced I would win a second ticket guranteed. HeNCE BIDDING BEFORE i even had a second ticket. i was offered the following, €350. dry cleaning for a year, my acommodation payed for and some lower offers too. Some of them from people I would have like to holiday with. Points are how i QUALIFIED SO IF i had a choice to nominate i would nominate who-ever was more next in points. That's how I qualified so why should I try and change things.




I played the league for as long as i played it and had a great time doing it the lads at the poker nights were dead sound and i cant say a bad thing about any of the players which I played with but this has been a sour ending to a brilliant few nights out, I had a great few months and made some new friends too.




and yes to be honest i'll miss playing the poker nights as I made some good friends at it, but i'd rather not pay into an organisation that can treat someone so unfairly as to say what they can and cannot do with something that does not belong to them, the tickets are mine,

Absolulety they are your tickets. They conditions of winning two tickets and nominations etc was explained to US in the venue I played from the very begining. It was never a case you could nominate anyone. IF someone had played 4 out of the 12 weeks you could nominate them.
IF you sold that ticket or gave it away is of no concern to me.




they have my name on it who are they to tell me what i can and cannot do with them. Think about it that way.

Maybe you have someone you do want to nominate who has met the crteria, then it is just a matter of telling the TD who you want to nominate. IF it is someone that hasn't played at least 4 weeks total then you can't nominate them. OTherwise you can't because the killarney tournament main event is private. Based on play poker in the pub.

if YOU HAVE ANYMORE QUESTIONS ASK YOUR TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR.

Hope I have been of help. Happy new year.

Greenmachine

Only other thing I can think of is that the game was split 4/4/2
4 for the prizepool
2 for the director on the night per player
2 towards the killarney prize pool
€4 for every 12 player makes €48 per week
€48 * 12 weeks would make a ticket worth €576 at face value
multiply that by the number of players to killarney which is about 700

acvcording to my calculator that comes to 403,200
or half that if I TD nightly fee with the prize pool collect from your €10
so 200,000 on the line I THINK.
€65K minimum prize pool upto maybe 200k less reg fees.
how anyone thinks these guys are anything but above board is beyond me.

Irish-Princess

Greenmachine, just because you were given this information by your tournament director doesn't mean i was. I was told (as well as my boyfriend on a seperate occasion) that the price of the ticket was 286 euro, i was told i could sell it, i was never told there was a limit to what i sold it for nor that i would have to nominate anyone. This tournament director has now since said he didnt say this obviously to save his own arse, fair enough he can do what he likes, I personally am not bothered wasting my time with liars.

It doesnt matter if its a 52 weeks league, the length of the league holds no bearing on me, the fact of the matter is I won my tickets fair and square as did my boyfriend why should we be punished because the main tournament director wants to add in rules. I dont understand where this freeroll came from either??? a freeroll is a free game i never once played a free game.

You've already answered my question in the first paragraph of your reply --- I never once said that it wasnt an enjoyable tournament, in fact it was pretty much my night out for the week, one which i looked forward to each week. What you do with your ticket is your choice, which is exactly what this whole argument is over, forgive me for being annoyed about being able to do what I want with my own property. Agreed 100%

That is what i'm arguing, not that the tournament is this or that, or that its crap or that its brilliant or how long its for or any of that this is my argument in bold so everyone can see the whole point i'm trying to make

MY TICKET- I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SELL FOR WHATEVER I WANT TO SELL, IT SHOULD NOT BE UP TO THE ORGANISERS WHAT PEOPLE DO WITH THEIR TICKETS UNLESS CLEARLY STATED AT THE BEGINNING OF TOURNAMENT.

Also just an added point you said the following

"My Position is a follows. MY Openents were convinced I would win a second ticket guranteed. HeNCE BIDDING BEFORE i even had a second ticket. i was offered the following, €350. dry cleaning for a year, my acommodation payed for and some lower offers too. Some of them from people I would have like to holiday with"

Clearly if people were pre-bidding 350euro, and the rest then my offer of 300 euro wasnt quite as shocking as the tournament director is making it out to be.

And i wont be asking the tournament directors anything in future as i've had no help from them as of yet. i'm finished dealing with them

Greenmachine

of course we might only have 400 runners which would bring the pool down but let IPPT do the logistics.

Greenmachine

IT is none of the TD business if you sell the ticket on the QT. As long as they have played 4 games out the 12.

And just to clarify the loyalty game was not a free roll we still payed our normal fees except you had to have played at least 4 games in the last 12 weeks to play that game or play a notmal single tournament game.

If you you were paying €10 which was divided between prizes and paying the dealer and filling the pot in killarney your ticket would be worth less. We were paying €20 a game so €14 of that was going into the prize pool instead of €4 either way it is a cheap night out. Except for an extra €10 you can win 3 times as much. I WON €245 one week alone so that is my accomodation paid for already. And two smaller wins and two money backs for 4th place finish.

Greenmachine

I amm hitting the hay now. If we want to continue the discusion you can PM or I can give you my MSN. I know people who will pay €300 for a ticket. He has played all 12 weeks so is entitled to be nominated even if you are playing in different pubs. Good night and happy new year.

cj-

Irish-Princess wrote: »

oh and about donk saying the average and the pot size is all wrong from what i'm saying.. even if there were only 10 people in each pub in the 100 pubs around the country that are registered, then throughout the whole thing the ippt would rake in 160,000 euro for a 65,000 euro pot!!! and thats ten people per pub!!! there is more than 10 people playing each week. so there is loads being raked in. you's are entitled to make your money its a business but dont pretend like you's are poker saints doing it for the love of the game, and then acting like i'm the bad person for trying to sell my tickets

And then the have the balls to charge a 40 euro reg fee per player for the so called free tournament. No wonder they are constintently upping the numbers which lowers the price of the tickets the league winners got. They wont be even worth the orginal 10 euro soon or probley even now

Irish-Princess

i know that, it does say guaranteed 65000 euro pot so they may make the pot bigger, but i still dont think they are out of pocket kind of thing. Sure a business has to make its money, but they cant think what they are doing is right in regards to telling people what they can and cant do with ttickets. This should have all been set out in the rules at the start, and i dont think it will stand anyway, the amount of people that have sold tickets for over 200euro. People will gladly pay it as well, I wasnt the one who came up with 300euro the tournament director at the start said he knew people looking for a ticket for 300 euro so i tought it was a good enough price for it. I would have been taking the p!ss had i looked for 500+ for a ticket but then again its up to me what i sell it for.

connie147

Irish-Princess wrote: »

oh and about donk saying the average and the pot size is all wrong from what i'm saying.. even if there were only 10 people in each pub in the 100 pubs around the country that are registered, then throughout the whole thing the ippt would rake in 160,000 euro for a 65,000 euro pot!!! and thats ten people per pub!!! there is more than 10 people playing each week. so there is loads being raked in. you's are entitled to make your money its a business but dont pretend like you's are poker saints doing it for the love of the game, and then acting like i'm the bad person for trying to sell my tickets

Hi there,
I understand your frustration at whats you percieve to be the denial of your rights to do what you want with your tickets, but it was written in the rules from the start that any 2nd ticket won by a player could only be transferred to another player who had played at least 4 weeks in the poker in the pub league. I'm pretty sure that the reason for that was to ensure that the tournament in Killarney with the €65,000 gtd prize-pool was played between players who played in the pub league and not open for the "sharks" to buy into it. When you put your tickets for open sale here on boards.ie, you didnt really care who bought them, once you got paid for them. The organisers I'm sure want to make sure that its members of their pub league that manage to buy them. Having said that, I do agree with you that whatever you can get for the tickets should be up to you, but you can only sell them to fellow pub league players.(imho of course).

I do not have any involvement in the running of the IPPT festival, but we do organise pub league games for them down here in Kerry. You are obviously new to the game, as from the post above that I quoted, you seem to lack the understanding of where the money each night is going. I'll try and explain it to you (well, as far as its done down here)

All the pubs in Kerry that we run IPPT pub league games in average anything between 10 and 30 players.
Out of the money collected every night, €50 is deducted for the IPPT league, €50 is deducted to pay the TD on the night, and all other monies are payed out in prizemoney on the night.
So in a 4 week league, we qualify 2-3 players per pub.
For this, we have collected €50 per week.
At the end of the 4 week league, we have €200 for the IPPT league final, and say 2 qualifiers, so the 2 seats are costing approx €100 each.
So over 12 weeks (3 x 4 week leagues), each of our pub games will donate €200 x 3 = €600 and get say 6 qualifiers.(again, average ticket for ME costing €100)
Now if you have 100 pubs around Ireland doing the same, thats €600 x 100 pubs = €60,000.

Do you see now where your €160,000 figure with a 10 player game in 100 pubs doesnt add-up? (If I have my figures wrong, then you might explain where the €160,000 you are quoting, is coming from)

I hope that makes sense to you. Its a long way off from the organisers are making a fortune off the event. (This is the way we run the IPPT pub leagues down here in Kerry, and I presume its pretty much mirrored across the country).

Once again, I am only speaking from our experience of running the pub games down here in Kerry. I'm pretty sure if you contact the organisers of the IPPT and tell them you are selling your tickets to somebody who is also a regular player in the IPPT pub league, then there wouldnt be a problem.

Worth a try anyway.

Good luck to you and your upcoming new arrival. And I wouldnt let this episode put you off playing texas holdem.

Connie

Irish-Princess

Connie, if you read my first post where I am selling my ticket you will see that I stated only players from the IPPT League can play so I was never trying to lure sharks in and it was not a case of I dont care who gets the tickets. I wouldnt sell anything to anyone that could not be used!

connie147

Irish-Princess wrote: »

Connie, if you read my first post where I am selling my ticket you will see that I stated only players from the IPPT League can play so I was never trying to lure sharks in and it was not a case of I dont care who gets the tickets. I wouldnt sell anything to anyone that could not be used!

Hi,
I think you should go ahead and sell your 2 tickets, but just make sure you sell them to people who are already participating in the league. I have no doubt that if you then inform the powers that be that you have sold your tickets to other league members, nobody will care how much you got for them. If you sell them to someone who pm's you here, you might have to confirm that they are league members.

I really think its as simple as that.

Connie

Irish-Princess

well unfortunately connie its not that simple, as i've already been told by a main tournament director from Dublin that i cannot sell the tickets for what I like even though it has nothing to do with them, I was however told differently at the beginning of the tournament. I have already told people that they need to be in the league, i'm not in the habit of selling tickets to people that will later find out they cant go somewhere as it would leave me with a legal issue i'm sure.

Quite simply I tried to sell tickets to anyone who wants to buy them in the IPPT league, and i've been basically told I'm not allowed sell tix over the only recently agreed 200 euro value put on tickets the other day, although I was told by the td that was running my tournament at the start that his friend would buy one for 300 euro also another td private messaged me here wanting to buy tickets for 600 euro for two, and i was told at the beginning of the league that tix were worth 286, this was said to more than just me, and now that td is saying he never said it.

The whole argument is that the ippt should have no control over these tickets after they have been one bar the rule they put into place at the beginning in regards to only IPPT people being allowed play (which is fair enough,, this rule was in place at the start, which is when all rules should be in place)

gorrrr72

Irish-Princess wrote: »

well unfortunately connie its not that simple, as i've already been told by a main tournament director from Dublin that i cannot sell the tickets for what I like even though it has nothing to do with them, I was however told differently at the beginning of the tournament. I have already told people that they need to be in the league, i'm not in the habit of selling tickets to people that will later find out they cant go somewhere as it would leave me with a legal issue i'm sure.

Quite simply I tried to sell tickets to anyone who wants to buy them in the IPPT league, and i've been basically told I'm not allowed sell tix over the only recently agreed 200 euro value put on tickets the other day, although I was told by the td that was running my tournament at the start that his friend would buy one for 300 euro also another td private messaged me here wanting to buy tickets for 600 euro for two, and i was told at the beginning of the league that tix were worth 286, this was said to more than just me, and now that td is saying he never said it.

The whole argument is that the ippt should have no control over these tickets after they have been one bar the rule they put into place at the beginning in regards to only IPPT people being allowed play (which is fair enough,, this rule was in place at the start, which is when all rules should be in place)

If you just read between the lines of Connie's post you will realise that she is trying to help you with her advice.

dannydiamond

gorrrr72 wrote: »

If you just read between the lines of Connie's post you will realise that she is trying to help you with her advice.

You've obviously never met Connie.:pac:

Irish-Princess

Did I say she wasnt trying to help me?????

I explained the situation to her, obviously you aren't reading the posts correctly.

DAMO72

dannydiamond wrote: »

You've obviously never met Connie.:pac:

Hey i think connie would make a lovely woman:p

DAMO72

Irish-Princess wrote: »

Did I say she wasnt trying to help me?????

I explained the situation to her, obviously you aren't reading the posts correctly.

Jesus woman , give it a fkn rest.
Im starting to feel sorry for the child allready:eek: