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Snooker- Free ball rule Q!

  • 21-12-2009 7:23pm
    #1
    rccaulfield
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭


    Tried ta snooker an opponent from a free ball situation a few weeks back. I.e. he fouled and i was awarded a free ball, so i rolled in behind a baulk colour. He made it clear this was against the rules, every1 i've asked since said the same! No problem.
    Then watching the closing stages of the UK championship final i see Ding(iirc) doing exactly that snookering his opponent on a free ball. Anyone know the rule well- has it changed recently??


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  • #2
    omb0wyn5ehpij9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,095 ✭✭✭✭omb0wyn5ehpij9


    rccaulfield wrote: »
    Tried ta snooker an opponent from a free ball situation a few weeks back. I.e. he fouled and i was awarded a free ball, so i rolled in behind a baulk colour. He made it clear this was against the rules, every1 i've asked since said the same! No problem.
    Then watching the closing stages of the UK championship final i see Ding(iirc) doing exactly that snookering his opponent on a free ball. Anyone know the rule well- has it changed recently??

    You can snooker your opponent on a free ball. But you may not snooker your opponent behind the ball u decided to use as your free ball


  • #3
    hotspur147
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭hotspur147


    Bryn wrote: »
    You can snooker your opponent on a free ball. But you may not snooker your opponent behind the ball u decided to use as your free ball

    you can snooker your opponent behind the nominated ball when only the pink and black are the remaining colours.


  • #4
    omb0wyn5ehpij9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,095 ✭✭✭✭omb0wyn5ehpij9


    In all the years i've played snooker, i've never known that!!!!


  • #5
    rccaulfield
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭rccaulfield


    Which ones correct- now that i think of it- Ding did hit the free ball which then rolled behind another for the snooker! Thanks by way!


  • #6
    hotspur147
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭hotspur147


    rccaulfield wrote: »
    Which ones correct- now that i think of it- Ding did hit the free ball which then rolled behind another for the snooker! Thanks by way!

    we're both correct.
    you cannot snooker your opponent behind your nominated "freeball".
    the exception to this rule is that you can do it when only the pink and black are remaining.


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  • #7
    rccaulfield
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭rccaulfield


    hotspur147 wrote: »
    you can snooker your opponent behind the nominated ball when only the pink and black are the remaining colours.
    Bryn wrote: »
    You can snooker your opponent on a free ball. But you may not snooker your opponent behind the ball u decided to use as your free ball
    hotspur147 wrote: »
    we're both correct.
    you cannot snooker your opponent behind your nominated "freeball".
    the exception to this rule is that you can do it when only the pink and black are remaining.

    AAAH i know wat you mean -cheers!


  • #8
    consultech
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,956 ✭✭✭consultech


    Ha - Never knew about the pink and black thing in 15 years of shnooks/thousands of hours/100's of centuries!


  • #9
    azzeretti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭azzeretti


    There is an even "madder" rule too. Suppose you nominate a free ball, say the brown, and roll off the brown behind the yellow. If then brown then rolls infront of the ball in play, say a red, then that too is a foul. Basically, if you were to lift the yellow out of the way and the free ball is in direct line of the play to be played.

    I hope I explained that well!


  • #10
    bigpad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23 ✭bigpad


    azzeretti wrote: »
    There is an even "madder" rule too. Suppose you nominate a free ball, say the brown, and roll off the brown behind the yellow. If then brown then rolls infront of the ball in play, say a red, then that too is a foul. Basically, if you were to lift the yellow out of the way and the free ball is in direct line of the play to be played.

    I hope I explained that well!

    No, that's wrong. It's the first snookering ball that counts, so the example you quoted above is *not a foul, since the sequence of balls blocking the ball "on" (red) is yellow then brown.


  • #11
    celticfc
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,884 Mod ✭✭✭✭celticfc


    bigpad wrote: »
    No, that's wrong. It's the first snookering ball that counts, so the example you quoted above is *not a foul, since the sequence of balls blocking the ball "on" (red) is yellow then brown.

    Indeed, beacuse the nominated "colour ball" is classed as a red, you can not snooker a red by a red. In azzeretti's case above, the fact that the brown comes between the yellow and the object ball is irrelevant.

    It's easy to see where the confusion sets in though. :)


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  • #12
    azzeretti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭azzeretti


    bigpad wrote: »
    No, that's wrong. It's the first snookering ball that counts, so the example you quoted above is *not a foul, since the sequence of balls blocking the ball "on" (red) is yellow then brown.

    I may have this example wrong, maybe what I say above only applies when there are no reds left, that is the free ball you nominate blocks the colour you are now on between another ball. Regardless, this certainly happended to my in a ranking event once.

    Also, another strange rule that I could never get my head around, and maybe you guys know, happened to me playing against a now well known player in a ranking event many years ago. We were on the green and I fould and snookered him in with the brown covering the green. He called the brown as free ball then planted the green in from the brown!! The green stayed in and he cleared up from the brown. I had never heard of this and a ref was called to clarify it.......strange?


  • #13
    elgriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭elgriff


    10. Snookered After a Foul
    After a foul, if the cue-ball is snookered, the referee shall state FREE BALL (see Section 2, Rule 16).
    (a) If the player next in turn elects to play the next stroke,
    (i) he may nominate any ball as the ball on, and
    (ii) any nominated ball shall be regarded as, and acquire the value of, the ball on except that, if potted, is shall then be spotted.
    (b) It is a foul if the cue-ball should
    (i) fail to hit the nominated ball first, or first simultaneously with the ball on, or
    (ii) be snookered on all Reds, or the ball on, by the free ball thus nominated, except when the Pink and Black are the only object balls remaining on the table.
    (c) If the free ball is potted, it is spotted and the value of the ball on is scored.
    (d) If a ball on is potted, after the cue-ball struck the nominated ball first, or simultaneously with a ball on, the ball on is scored and remains off the table.
    (e) If both the nominated ball and a ball on are potted, only the ball on is scored unless it was a Red, when each ball potted is scored. The free ball is then spotted and the ball on remains off the table.
    (f) If the offender is asked to play again, the free ball call becomes void.


    Rule 10(ii)D relates to the "strange" rule you were talking about. Looks like the ref was right anyway.

    Did you know that if you are snookered by the knuckle of a pocket, rather than by a ball, it is not a free ball?


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