TV3 'to sue RTE over Xmas listings error'

Basq

Source: DS

TV3 'to sue RTE over Xmas listings error'
Monday, December 21 2009, 12:52 GMT
By David Balls, Music Reporter

TV3 'to sue RTE over Xmas listings error'

Irish channel TV3 is taking legal action against rival RTE after it mixed up listings in the RTE Christmas Guide.

TV3 claimed that inaccuracies in the Boxing Day listings, which were mixed up with UTV, could have a serious impact on the channel's viewing figures.

The commercial station has also complained about the lack of exposure for its film schedule in the TV guide.

RTE, which receives over €200m a year in licence fee money, confirmed that it has received legal correspondence from its rival and said the mistake was made by an external supplier.

The network denied any malice in the errors, insisting that it has promoted TV3 shows on its cover three times this year.

"We have no problem with honest mistakes but when it's this many at such an important time of year, we need them to be fixed and rectified so we can all move on," Maureen Catterson of TV3 said.

Muirne Laffan, executive director of RTE Publishing, responded: "We have endeavoured to mitigate the errors and have addressed it on our website, where we have published the correct television listings. However, we feel the demands from TV3 are excessive and cannot be met."

Legal notice was sent last Thursday to RTE on behalf of TV3.

Thought this was funny.. how could RTÉ possibly mix up TV3's schedule with UTV's?!

I mean all that "original" productions from TV3 such as X Factor, Emmerdale, Airline, Britain's Got Talent, Britannia High, Celeb Air, Heartbeat, Hells Kitchen, I'm A Celebrity, The Krypton Factor, The Jeremy Kyle Show etc.

How could you possibly confuse that with a UTV schedule?! :pac:

Elmo

basquille wrote: »

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Thought this was funny.. how could RTÉ possibly mix up TV3's schedule with UTV's?!

I mean all that "original" productions from TV3 such as X Factor, Emmerdale, Airline, Britain's Got Talent, Britannia High, Celeb Air, Heartbeat, Hells Kitchen, I'm A Celebrity, The Krypton Factor, The Jeremy Kyle Show etc.

How could you possibly confuse that with a UTV schedule?! :pac:

Will UTV be suing them too?

ballsymchugh

Boxing day??

Basq

ballsymchugh wrote: »

Boxing day??

It was printed on a UK website..

iguy

What would the point in suing Rte be?
Mistakes are made...
However the rte guide does not give much info on Tv3's programme's...

Jako8

Who cares.

Replace GMTV with Ireland AM and you have TV3's line-up for that day. :pac:

Elmo

iguy wrote: »

However the rte guide does not give much info on Tv3's programme's...

I don't know they have a full interview with Lorraine Keane and one of the stars of Coronation Street.

Richard Dower

Good, let 'em sue each other...i hope they both go outta business, the €200 million can be put into the health budget, or paying those missing Crimbo bonuses that got axed in the budget!

Richard Dower

Elmo wrote: »

I don't know they have a full interview with Lorraine Keane and one of the stars of Coronation Street.

Desperado media whore :rolleyes:

tinkerbell

Sure TV3 practically = ITV/UTV anyway!

Our man in Havana

What losses have they suffered? None, so they have no grounds to sue anyone.

youcancallmeal

David Balls

syklops

Richard Dower wrote: »

Good, let 'em sue each other...i hope they both go outta business, the €200 million can be put into the health budget, or paying those missing Crimbo bonuses that got axed in the budget!

Well tv3 is not subsidised by the government so TV3 going out of business would not mean more money for the government. In fact it would be less tax money.

Euro_Kraut

syklops wrote: »

Well tv3 is not subsidised by the government so TV3 going out of business would not mean more money for the government. In fact it would be less tax money.

RTE is not subsidized by the Government either. It is financed through a combination of the license fee and advertising.

opinion guy

TV3 just trying to deflect attention from the Brian Lenihan cancer story if you as me

syklops

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

RTE is not subsidized by the Government either. It is financed through a combination of the license fee and advertising.

Well yes, but the license fee is collected by An Post on behalf of the Minister of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources and 'given' to RTE. Is that not basically subsidising?

syklops

opinion guy wrote: »

TV3 just trying to deflect attention from the Brian Lenihan cancer story if you as me

Not really as the original post was on the 21st of December, and the 'attention' from the Brian Lenihan story started on the 25th.

Black Magic

syklops wrote: »

Not really as the original post was on the 21st of December, and the 'attention' from the Brian Lenihan story started on the 25th.

News broke on 26th.

According to TV3 Christmas is a one-day event!

opinion guy

syklops wrote: »

Not really as the original post was on the 21st of December, and the 'attention' from the Brian Lenihan story started on the 25th.

Sorry I forgot to include a smiley face

Elmo

syklops wrote: »

Well yes, but the license fee is collected by An Post on behalf of the Minister of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources and 'given' to RTE. Is that not basically subsidising?

RTE employ far more people than TV3, if they were to go out of business the Government would loose far more tax and as pointed out we subsides RTÉ not the Government on our behalf.

Both companies should think about competiting with each other rather than petty back stabbing and that means producing programming.

Richard Dower

Richard Dower wrote: »

Good, let 'em sue each other...i hope they both go outta business, the €200 million can be put into the health budget, or paying those missing Crimbo bonuses that got axed in the budget!

So you would like to see the biggest entrainment channels in Ireland got rid of and the money instead given to people who seem to think that they deserve a bonus for doing nothing. Why should people on the dole get a bonus when most workers don't get anything extra at Christmas?

Elmo

Deleted User wrote: »

So you would like to see the biggest entrainment channels in Ireland got rid of and the money instead given to people who seem to think that they deserve a bonus for doing nothing. Why should people on the dole get a bonus when most workers don't get anything extra at Christmas?

So you think that the Head guys in TV3 aren't getting a bonus? So you think that TV3 actually does something. So you think that they employ more than 2000 people? If TV3 die tomorrow it would be no really loss. It is a small company with huge turnovers (most of which heads abroad).

ShoulderChip

basquille wrote: »

Source: DS
ells Kitchen, I'm A Celebrity, The Krypton Factor, The Jeremy Kyle Show etc.

How could you possibly confuse that with a UTV schedule?! :pac:

Im sorry that no-one hear realised you were being sarcastic and gave you the thanks you deserved

only for Jako8 to spell it out for people and get much respect from everyone

Basq

Meh.. "thanks-shmanks"!

Thanks++!

Elmo

Elmo wrote: »

So you think that the Head guys in TV3 aren't getting a bonus? So you think that TV3 actually does something. So you think that they employ more than 2000 people? If TV3 die tomorrow it would be no really loss. It is a small company with huge turnovers (most of which heads abroad).

We know they are getting a bonus, that's not the point here. The point was that the average worker does not get a bonus at Christmas so why should those not working get one?

Where did I say TV3 employed anywhere near 2000 people? TV3 as much as I hate it entertains a hell of a lot of people and given their small outgoings and huge profits then they are exactly what they set out to. For people to want to penalise them for that is a bit unfair.

It's obvious that I was referring to RTE as being the top entertainment channels in Ireland, RTE 1 and 2 and the many radio channels.

Black Magic

Deleted User wrote: »

TV3 entertains a hell of a lot of people

and a hell of a lot of people with TV3 also have UTV/ITV - (some don't).
They just watch TV3 instead but wouldn't lose out on much if they went off the air - apart from the likes of Ireland AM, XPOSE and numerous morning chat shows which are popular enough in their own right. But whatelse would someone on the dole be watching. :pac:

Elmo

Deleted User wrote: »

Where did I say TV3 employed anywhere near 2000 people? TV3 as much as I hate it entertains a hell of a lot of people and given their small outgoings and huge profits then they are exactly what they set out to. For people to want to penalise them for that is a bit unfair.

It was a rhetorical point/question. (I am stopping with those). I assumed they were set up to compete with RTÉ how wrong I was.

and a hell of a lot of people with TV3 also have UTV/ITV - (some don't).
They just watch TV3 instead but wouldn't lose out on much if they went off the air - apart from the likes of Ireland AM, XPOSE and numerous morning chat shows which are popular enough in their own right. But whatelse would someone on the dole be watching.

RTÉ were showing most of the ITV shows that TV3 currently show. When TV3 started up they looked nothing like ITV Ireland. Ireland AM etc are there to meet TV3 requirements for Irish programming, cheap TV with little investment. I would have thought most people on the dole are in bed until long after Ireland AM etc air

BTW TV3 could produce quality prime time TV without effecting their ITV output.

Elmo

Elmo wrote: »

It was a rhetorical point/question. (I am stopping with those). I assumed they were set up to compete with RTÉ how wrong I was.

Ah sorry, had you made it when I was more awake I may have noticed. I always thought TV3 were set up to compete with RTE too but it seems to be nothing more than the ITV/CSI channel at this stage.

Elmo wrote: »

RTÉ were showing most of the ITV shows that TV3 currently show. When TV3 started up they looked nothing like ITV Ireland. Ireland AM etc are there to meet TV3 requirements for Irish programming, cheap TV with little investment. I would have thought most people on the dole are in bed until long after Ireland AM etc air

BTW TV3 could produce quality prime time TV without effecting their ITV output.

Were TV3 and RTE to put this petty rivalry behind them there's a good chance they could begin producing quality television between them. They could have two parters with one part on RTE and the next on TV3 the night after but that's not going to happen any time soon. TV3 simply transformed into ITV3 when they realised how much profit was in it, shame as they could easily give RTE a run for their money

niceirishfella

Bond-007 wrote: »

What losses have they suffered? None, so they have no grounds to sue anyone.

Ad revenue based on viewership.

Elmo

niceirishfella wrote: »

Ad revenue based on viewership.

And how could the possible prove the RTÉ guide had anything to do with that. Remember Xmas day is a big day for TV3 when RTÉ and TG4 don't show ads.

syklops

Elmo wrote: »

and as pointed out we subsides RTÉ not the Government on our behalf.

From the RTE website:
An Post collects TV Licence fees on behalf of the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources.

What does the minister do with this money?

Does he say to himself "Hmmm, We dont have much money at the moment, and we have had to make all kinds of cuts including scrapping the cervical cancer vaccine for girls, why dont I give this 160 million odd euro to the Health Service for the vaccines, more beds etc?"

No. He gives it to RTE.

Elmo

syklops wrote: »

From the RTE website:
An Post collects TV Licence fees on behalf of the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources.

What does the minister do with this money?

Does he say to himself "Hmmm, We dont have much money at the moment, and we have had to make all kinds of cuts including scrapping the cervical cancer vaccine for girls, why dont I give this 160 million odd euro to the Health Service for the vaccines, more beds etc?"

No. He gives it to RTE.

Well he isn't in charge of the Health Service, nor is the fund part of the Exchequer.

When he does give it RTÉ they use it to fund several things not just their TV service. Some of it even is given to TV3 productions.

And TBH the fund might be part of the communications budget but it is still a fee for PBS broadcasting provide by the people of Ireland through the licence fee not through the government IMO.

niceirishfella

Elmo wrote: »

And how could the possible prove the RTÉ guide had anything to do with that. Remember Xmas day is a big day for TV3 when RTÉ and TG4 don't show ads.

I never mentioned and ask how they prove it in fairness, i did say it could affect thier Ad revenue. If it was scheduled wrong in a national Tv guide by the state broadcaster who is a competitor, you got a ask how and why it happened? Did the Rte guide feck up Rte Tv's schedule too?

Mossy Monk

Human error. Not everything is a conspiracy

JonathanAnon

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Human error. Not everything is a conspiracy

Not everything is human error

niceirishfella

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Not everything is human error

Yep, there's no love lost there and there will be even less now:rolleyes:

Elmo

niceirishfella wrote: »

I never mentioned and ask how they prove it in fairness, i did say it could affect thier Ad revenue. If it was scheduled wrong in a national Tv guide by the state broadcaster who is a competitor, you got a ask how and why it happened? Did the Rte guide feck up Rte Tv's schedule too?

It really won't. The only at this stage most people have heard about the error as TV3 made a fuss about it. It could have easily happen to TV Now, do you think TV3 would be heading off to sue them?

And again how do UTV feel about this error?

Mossy Monk

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Not everything is human error

Excuse me while I adorn my head with a tin foil hat.

My mother was looking for the susan boyle story on TV3 (only 4 channels in the kitchen). By the time I was awake and spotted the error it was too late.

Class action anyone?

Elmo

Deleted User wrote: »

My mother was looking for the susan boyle story on TV3 (only 4 channels in the kitchen). By the time I was awake and spotted the error it was too late.

Class action anyone?

Your mother isn't who they are really worried about, its the people who would have found The Susan Boyle Story on UTV, it was on later that week on TV3.