Coming soon to PW.....***Update 16/01/10***

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...The return of the Pro Wrestling Forum Draft.

Previous winners include RebelRockChick and Flahavaj. Can either take the crown for a 2nd time, or will we have a new champion?

Details to follow.

This thread will be unstuck 04/01/10 and the rules regarding pick eligibility will be nailed down before we start so as to avoid some messing with picks later on. The date for the actual start has to decided as yet.

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http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055527170&highlight=draft

Right folks, this is for discussion of the rules of the 2010 only. Statement of participation will be ignored. If you state your intentions here, and miss out at the actual time, well that is your own fault.

One rule will will apply for participation is all participants must have at least 25 posts in pro Wrestling in the last 12 weeks AS OF THIS MOMENT. Spamming to get your post count up will not work. This is so our regular users do not miss out. If we cannot fill the 20 spots, this rule will be left go.

Mr Nice Guy will be the Master Of Ceremonies again.

Previously rules were
- If a member of a tag team became a world champion, then that tag team would not be eligible for a pick ie The Rockers/Edge & Christian etc.

- Only wrestlers who have worked in McMahonland are eligible (though this was only the case for Draft part one).

- WWE, WHC, TNA, ECW, ROH are all seen as world titles.

- No pre 1975 debutants are eligible (this was only for the second draft).

- If you get banned for any reason, for any length of time during the draft, your place will be either given to a reserve, or failing that just skipped and your roster goes back up for grabs at a later round.

Gray areas were always what constituted a tag team as some picks were dodgy to say the least. This will need to be nailed down before we kick off.

Put your suggestions here for this years format. The participation thread will be open in about a week.

flahavaj

I think the tag team rule should stay ie you cant pick a team that had a world champ.

Some loopholes need closing though. The way people were able to pick a diva and a male wrestler as a team was boll*x IMO, such as Matt and Lita all in one pick. Got a bit ridiculous towards the end.

Also any Japanese team picked should have worn significant gold as with the way Japan cards are booked you could find an instance of pretty much any pair tagging together at one stage or another.

Just to make things a little more varied than last time how about pushing the debuting year back to 1970 from 1975. Would allow in some of the bigger stars of the 80's who weren't eligible last time but still keeps in within the limits of wrestlers people would all know quite well.

The need to have had a certain number of posts is a good idea. The draft nearly died a death last time as a good few people just gave up, mainly non regulars. Anyone entering should be prepared to put the time and effort in to check in on a daily basis that their pick is up etc. The more regulars involved the better, if we get everyione that posts here on a daily basis to enter it could be a fantastic draft as the quality of poster here has rarely been higher.

SlickRic

something needs to be done with the tag team rule.

especially given the modern climate of any wrestlers tagging together.

i don't know what, but it needs to be fixed.

i also think managers (i.e. Mr Fuji, Paul Bearer, etc) should be able to come with their wrestlers.

just a suggestion.

flahavaj

SlickRic wrote: »

something needs to be done with the tag team rule.

especially given the modern climate of any wrestlers tagging together.

i don't know what, but it needs to be fixed.

i also think managers (i.e. Mr Fuji, Paul Bearer, etc) should be able to come with their wrestlers.

just a suggestion.

The rule was in place last year that teams had to have regularly tagged for 3 mon ths to be eligible, but there were several that snuck in under that particular radar. I think it needs to be clamped down on big style.

Managers could become a grey are like getting someone like Vicky Guerrero as a manager would give you an awesome heel and a GM type figure all in one.

The Volt

flahavaj wrote: »

The rule was in place last year that teams had to have regularly tagged for 3 mon ths to be eligible, but there were several that snuck in under that particular radar. I think it needs to be clamped down on big style.

Managers could become a grey are like getting someone like Vicky Guerrero as a manager would give you an awesome heel and a GM type figure all in one.

I disgaree. I think these led to innovative picks and doing the researh was half the fun. I completely agree that there shouldnt be allowances for a couple who teamed up once but it should be over a sustained period of time.

I'm fine with the looseness of the rules so to speak, any more rules and the draft picks will become less entertaining IMO

Jolt2007

Personally I liked the tag team ruling from last year. Sure people were taking advantage (myself included) but without it it would have been very difficult to have enough on your roster to have one decent end PPV never mind the in depth build up most have.

Also agree the date should be changed to allow new names to freshen things up slightly for people involved last year, and the manager thing too sounds good.

Bounty Hunter

Jolt2007 wrote: »

Personally I liked the tag team ruling from last year. Sure people were taking advantage (myself included) but without it it would have been very difficult to have enough on your roster to have one decent end PPV never mind the in depth build up most have.

Also agree the date should be changed to allow new names to freshen things up slightly for people involved last year, and the manager thing too sounds good.

I agree (I was one of the people who took advantage of loopholes last year) with the Tag thing. It lead to people thinking outside the box and getting picks others didnt think of that were not against the rules. Maybe make it that if someone is picking an unorthodox tag team they have to prove they tagged together atleast three times and for atleast 3 months.

I would even be inclined to allow Diva/Wrestler pairings for this as it would help fill out the rosters. If you want maybe we could include womens titles in the thing were a WC cant be in a tag team for that if needs be though.

Managers im not so sure (the get em free bit) on as well most managers managed multiple wrestlers, but i do think they should be eligable and when being picked as managers maybe their date of debuting should not matter so as to make a non wrestling role more appealing.

gimmick

There is nothing wrong with the sneaky tag teams IMO, I got away with in Draft 1 with Matt Hardy and MVP. However, the inter gender tag tams like Matt & Lita, or Stacey & Test I think should be not allowed. Its dodgy tag teams like, say, MVP & Finlay who may have tagged a few times, but were never considered a team per se Id have a problem with.

I would also be against the managers idea as mooted above. If you want that manager, then pick him/her in his own right.

Will we go for a roster of 10 or 15? Or go nuts and go for 20? Personally, I thought 15 was about right, even if it dig drag too much at the end.

The 24 hour rule on picks is about the best? 2 misses and you are out of the game.

Jolt2007

Must say one thing I didn't think was right last time was using teams that tagged in Japan only, even though I did chose some too. I think that if the rule is that someone has to have wrestled in a major US promotion to be eligible, then to chose a tag team they have to have also wrestled as a team in a major US promotion.

I do like BH's idea too of having to provide proof about people teaming up a certain number of times. Wasn't there something like that in place last year anyway, but people just stopped caring to challenge after a few rounds?

15 was a good number but I guess there'd be no harm in extending or reducing the rounds depending on how things are moving.

gimmick

Jolt2007 wrote: »

Must say one thing I didn't think was right last time was using teams that tagged in Japan only, even though I did chose some too. I think that if the rule is that someone has to have wrestled in a major US promotion to be eligible, then to chose a tag team they have to have also wrestled as a team in a major US promotion.

Thats the challenge of maximising your picks though. I would have nothing aganist that. Some kind of objected to that last year because they said they had no knowledge of Japanese wrestling, or even of the likes of ROH, but like then, I would say ignorance is no excuse.

Jolt2007 wrote: »

I do like BH's idea too of having to provide proof about people teaming up a certain number of times. Wasn't there something like that in place last year anyway, but people just stopped caring to challenge after a few rounds?

Agreed also

Jolt2007

gimmick wrote: »

Thats the challenge of maximising your picks though. I would have nothing aganist that. Some kind of objected to that last year because they said they had no knowledge of Japanese wrestling, or even of the likes of ROH, but like then, I would say ignorance is no excuse.

Good point. Then maybe we should consider allowing wrestlers from AJPW, NJPW and NOAH? Would allow for new, interesting names this year.

flahavaj

Jolt2007 wrote: »

Good point. Then maybe we should consider allowing wrestlers from AJPW, NJPW and NOAH? Would allow for new, interesting names this year.

Yes please.:)

Vince135792003

Jolt2007 wrote: »

Good point. Then maybe we should consider allowing wrestlers from AJPW, NJPW and NOAH? Would allow for new, interesting names this year.

I'm all for opening it up but if your going to do that I think this rule could be changed. Or was it only for the 2nd one?

No pre 1975 debutants are eligible

flahavaj

Vince135792003 wrote: »

I'm all for opening it up but if your going to do that I think this rule could be changed. Or was it only for the 2nd one?

Pre 1975 was only the second draft AFAIK. Maybe push it back to 1970 like I suggested?

Gerard.C

Only wrestlers who have worked in McMahonland are eligible (though this was only the case for Draft part one).

This would rule out a load of unreal wrestlers, I'd definately look into this.

Edit - it was only draft one, never mind. I'd love to have Japanese wrestlers though!

Vince135792003

flahavaj wrote: »

Pre 1975 was only the second draft AFAIK. Maybe push it back to 1970 like I suggested?

Well if the draft is being widened, I don't see why you can't push it back alot further than that.

I like the draft because many wrestlers get mentioned who othwer wise would never be talked about on this board.

Wrestling has a tremendous past and including old wrestlers is a nice way for them not to be forgotten about in a very very tiny way.

The Volt

I'd agree in principle with what Vince has said. Whatever wat this turns out, it should be fun. As long as it's not too rule-bound during the draft.

Any idea when this will kick off? Feeling creative

Jolt2007

Just to play devil's advocate wouldn't pushing back the date too far take away a lot of the fun from last time since there'd end up being too many big names to choose from? Could end up with rosters of nobody but main eventers, and last the the fun really started last time when choosing mid and undercard guys. Then again it could be just as fun going back in time and learning of old guys.

Mr.Nice Guy

Sorry I've been away from my computer the last few days so I couldn't contribute as yet, but I like the debate that's occurred so far. Throw out more ideas if you have them.

As for what's been said so far, in my opinion the issue of what constitutes a tag team has been probably the biggest headache the last two times we've done the draft because there was a major grey area there. I think it would be good to get this sorted out properly before we begin. Personally I would agree with ditching the inter-gender tag teams as I think it's far too much of a loophole and most, if not all, those picks have been dodgy. Regarding what constitutes a tag team, I think something like what BH said about offering proof as to a pick's legitimacy is probably the best way to deal with it.

With regards to managers, I thought the previous rules dealt with that OK personally. I agree with flahavaj allowing a pick plus a manager could be unfair. For example someone could take Andre the Giant and get Bobby Heenan with him as well and so end up with one of the biggest names in wrestling and probably the greatest manager. I think this would be too advantageous for someone, but sure it can be done if there's a desire to see it.

I think extending the timescale back a bit is a good idea too. I also liked the aspect of researching old picks. I can't actually recall why we settled on the year 1975.

As for new ideas, I had one which I thought could improve things which I'll throw out here. I think it was Bounty Hunter and Furious-Red who gave me the idea based on their very entertaining mini-feud during the draft storyline thread last year. With wrestling wars being in the headlines at the minute I thought it would be a good idea if we were allowed to engage in brand feuds (assuming we wanted to) with fellow draft participants. I thought to spice it up a bit we could even allow inter-brand matches on the draft weekly shows. Here was roughly the way I could see it working:

- You can engage in storylines involving another roster's wrestler only as long as you have the permission of the roster owner in question. In other words if I wanted to have a storyline with say one of gimmick's wrestlers, I'd propose the idea to gimmick via PM. (Think of the way ECW and WWF did this in the Attitude era). If he gives the green light we are in business, if not then it can't happen.

- You can only engage in an inter-promotional storyline with one promotion to avoid things getting too messy and to make it easier for others to follow.

- You can have a maximum of three inter-promotional feuds. For example, you could perhaps have HBK vs Taker - if you could arrange it that is - as well as something like the New Age Outlaws vs Demolition or maybe Trish vs Lita. You can't make any more feuds than this as it's important to have feuds involving just our own wrestlers.

- When doing the final write-up of your PPV you can do a combined show with your roster partner. Remember though for the inter-promotional matches you will both have to come to an agreement on the finish! I think this could prove an enjoyable challenge because doing a combined show you can't have more than say 10 matches so some matches will obviously have to be left out and you will need to come to an agreement on which matches will be left off the card.

- If you strike up an alliance with another roster in the game then they cannot vote for your roster at the end and vice-versa so as to avoid voting for your business partner's efforts.

Remember these are just ideas to make it a bit different from previous years and inject a bit of extra excitement. If you feel these ideas are lame or unworkable (or just not interesting) feel free to shoot them down. As I say we're just trying to get as many ideas as possible right now and try and make this year's draft the most exciting yet so tell me what you think.

Cactus Col

Any chance to limiting the use of celebritires to how they were used on the shows originally? So Tyson could ultimately only be used as a referee / outside enforcer, george w Bush could only be used to give a video message, etc.

Would it be an idea to restrict the number of world champions that a user can recruit? Such a rule might help force users to pick a much better all round roster.

Also .. any chance of letting us know when the participation thread will open? It's not always easy to get online, and so a bit of advance knowledge would be nice.

Gerard.C

I wouldnt really agree with Interpromoional matches. It could lead to chaos. How about for one week, when the selections are over, there's a draft and the people involved can trade wrestlers with each other if they want or something?

flahavaj

I'd be in two minds about the interpromotional wars. While I agree it could be great craic and I enjoyed the banter between Furious Red and BH (I think) last year I'd also be worried it could lead to two people almost working together to select two rosters that would be compatible with each other's and produce great matches together?

Just my two cent of course.

The Volt

flahavaj wrote: »

I'd be in two minds about the interpromotional wars. While I agree it could be great craic and I enjoyed the banter between Furious Red and BH (I think) last year I'd also be worried it could lead to two people almost working together to select two rosters that would be compatible with each other's and produce great matches together?

Just my two cent of course.

Perhaps we could randomly draw who you're paired with?

flahavaj

Voltwad wrote: »

Perhaps we could randomly draw who you're paired with?

What if you weren't bothered in doing an interpromotional war, or got stuck with someone who's roster you hated?

The Volt

flahavaj wrote: »

What if you weren't bothered in doing an interpromotional war, or got stuck with someone who's roster you hated?

That would be up to the discretion of the pairing I suppose but it might leave some with an unfair advantage then

Mr.Nice Guy

flahavaj wrote: »

I'd be in two minds about the interpromotional wars. While I agree it could be great craic and I enjoyed the banter between Furious Red and BH (I think) last year I'd also be worried it could lead to two people almost working together to select two rosters that would be compatible with each other's and produce great matches together?

Just my two cent of course.

Well yes the key thing would be to ensure that the game remained about an individual's take on their roster and that the cross-overs were just an interesting optional addition. I wouldn't favour it becoming the sole focus of the game but I thought it would be a good way of maintaining interest in the weekly shows as it seemed to me a good few people didn't really follow the shows until they had to vote on the winner.

If it's deemed to be too chaotic though then it doesn't need to be adopted.

The Volt

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Well yes the key thing would be to ensure that the game remained about an individual's take on their roster and that the cross-overs were just an interesting optional addition. I wouldn't favour it becoming the sole focus of the game but I thought it would be a good way of maintaining interest in the weekly shows as it seemed to me a good few people didn't really follow the shows until they had to vote on the winner.

If it's deemed to be too chaotic though then it doesn't need to be adopted.

Do you think overall results last year were affected by the possibilty that some people only read some people's final pieces when voting? Perhaps the voting system could be more spread out. IE have a round of voting after say two shows, then a second round at the end?

Bubs101

Here's my two cents

Tag thing definitely needs to be fixed IMO. I know I picked Hall and Xpac because I wanted a two for one and I think i used it again later on. Personally, I'd agree that if you pick a tag they must be used as a tag team. I also think that one manager wrestler combo would be a good idea like Taker and Bearer or Abyss and Mitchell. Would lead to some outside the box thinking although I'd say picks like Trump and Lashley should be barred and you should be forced to stick with the two picked as opposed to recycling your manager for someone else.

The ROH title should just not count as a world title either. It just isn't and pales in comparison with the other titles that claim that status. if the current ECW title isn't one (which it shouldn't be) then the ROH title can't claim that status

Their should be concrete rules about how involved a wrestler should have to have been in a company to get picked. last year it was worked with so i picked Mystico on the basis of a closed doors tryout match. That rule needs to be clarified to something like made an official appearance or something.

One other note is that if we let the Japanese promotions count then alot of people aren't going to have a clue who these people are and it's going to change the voting. Youtube can only prove so much.

Also, any chance you could nail down the start date so those who are interested know when to log on.

Edit: Also, I would prefer not to have to write 5 essays with my booking plans

The Volt

Bubs101 wrote: »

Here's my two cents

Tag thing definitely needs to be fixed IMO. I know I picked Hall and Xpac because I wanted a two for one and I think i used it again later on. Personally, I'd agree that if you pick a tag they must be used as a tag team. I also think that one manager wrestler combo would be a good idea like Taker and Bearer or Abyss and Mitchell. Would lead to some outside the box thinking although I'd say picks like Trump and Lashley should be barred and you should be forced to stick with the two picked as opposed to recycling your manager for someone else.

I've stated already I like the looseness of the tag rule and I think others have too. The bulk of tags picked will be used as tags I'd say, but to say that this is a must would restrict the possibility of fallouts which do occur. I do agree however that restrictions on managers as part of a duet are needed.

Edit: Also, I would prefer not to have to write 5 essays with my booking plans

I think this should be up to the participant but it would sway the vote for me if someone has given thorough descriptions of event happenings etc. Quantity over quality though

flahavaj

Bubs101 wrote: »

Here's my two cents

Tag thing definitely needs to be fixed IMO. I know I picked Hall and Xpac because I wanted a two for one and I think i used it again later on. Personally, I'd agree that if you pick a tag they must be used as a tag team. I also think that one manager wrestler combo would be a good idea like Taker and Bearer or Abyss and Mitchell. Would lead to some outside the box thinking although I'd say picks like Trump and Lashley should be barred and you should be forced to stick with the two picked as opposed to recycling your manager for someone else.

The manager thingy is so dodgy though, as someone said earlier beinga ble to get Heenan AND Andre together is a bit much, likewise Hogan and say, Jimmy Hart.

Having to keep tag teams together takes a lot of creativity out of your picks as in who to pair together from your roster. Almost all of my picks last time I split up for singkes bouts and one of the most enjoyable parts was then pairing my roster off into suitable bouts once I'd made my picks. If all tag teams picked have to stay together it makes the booking much more regimented and predictable IMO.

The ROH title should just not count as a world title either. It just isn't and pales in comparison with the other titles that claim that status. if the current ECW title isn't one (which it shouldn't be) then the ROH title can't claim that status

I agree with this, not as any disrespect to the ROH world title but mainly because most of the guys who held it have been only midcrad cruiserweight guys in other promotions and it seems unfair to not be able to pick them with their regular tag partners. I think its only seven or eight guys whove actually held it anyway.

Their should be concrete rules about how involved a wrestler should have to have been in a company to get picked. last year it was worked with so i picked Mystico on the basis of a closed doors tryout match. That rule needs to be clarified to something like made an official appearance or something.

Agreed on this but the flipside of that is that its great craic to see someone pull a rabbit out of the hat that no oneelse has ecen thought of. Your Mistico pick last year was one of the best picks becuase no one else had even considered him.

One other note is that if we let the Japanese promotions count then alot of people aren't going to have a clue who these people are and it's going to change the voting. Youtube can only prove so much.

While I'd only be ecstatic to have unlimited picks for Puro guys the trend on the board shows theres really only maybe 3 or 4 of us follow it in any great depth. Maybe it should be limited to guys who've wrestled in the US or somwthing. In a awy its actually more fun to have a narrow selection than be able to get any Japanese guy at all.

Also, any chance you could nail down the start date so those who are interested know when to log on.

Edit: Also, I would prefer not to have to write 5 essays with my booking plans

I went way overboard with the write ups last year, but I haven't the stamina or time for that much effort this year.

Jolt2007

I think it might be best not having so many build up shows this year. One reason is, myself at least, found it very tricky to build up to a PPV without knowing what a third of my roster was going to even be, and another was I think there were a few great rosters last year that got overlooked because they didn't out as much time writing up different shows.

As for managers/valets how about the same rule as tag teams? World champs can't be chosen with one, but others can. For example you couldn't have Heenan with Andre, but you could if you chose Paul Orndorff.

On choosing Japanese guys, that too was part of the fun from last year. Is it better to chose a Japanese guy most mightn't have heard of or an inferior, but better known US guy? I think it's up to you to sell the guy to people that don't know them, like Fla did with Kota Ibushi last year. Few knew him but once they did praised the pick as being one of the best. Plus with MMA a few that wrestled just in Japan would probably be better known names at least than most that wrestled a few US indie dates.

Bubs101

Jolt2007 wrote: »

On choosing Japanese guys, that too was part of the fun from last year. Is it better to chose a Japanese guy most mightn't have heard of or an inferior, but better known US guy? I think it's up to you to sell the guy to people that don't know them, like Fla did with Kota Ibushi last year. Few knew him but once they did praised the pick as being one of the best. Plus with MMA a few that wrestled just in Japan would probably be better known names at least than most that wrestled a few US indie dates.

This is why it's flawed. Ibushi has some ridiculous spots and people were hailing it as a great pick without ever seeing him wrestle for more than 10 consistent seconds. To compare, in the football forum there's alot of people who only watch English football who hate Ibrahimovic and they always use the same criticism, he's a youtube footballer. In other words, anybody can look good on youtube if you find the right clip but it doesn't mean they do that all the time every day. If I pick the Japanese Scott Hall and show you his ladder match with HBK and a promo you'd think he was the new Messiah because you're unaware of the crap that he produces most of the time. American picks don't have that luxury

Bounty Hunter

Last time i think I had around the perfect sized roster and that is why im kinda in favour of what people consider the dodgy tag picks to some extent. These picks are the ones that filled out peoples rosters whilst not needing more than 15 rounds (so the game didnt drag on).

For that reason id think that with regards Valets/Managers, just introduce something like that Womens champs cant be included and someone exluded from a tag team i.e a Heavyweight champion (Male) also isnt allowed have a manager.

So instead of people being able to use the rules to draft (as outlined above) Heenan and Andre the giant together, they would be able to draft people like Umaga and Estrada together which imo would be good as someone like Estrada most likely wont get drafted otherwise. Likewise Lita & Matt wouldent be an option but a team which is just Wrestler/ Valet, then go ahead, every roster needs some T & A it seems.

As far as the Mistico point, Id say that firstly it was a great pick last year but that if there is a rule that they have to have to have wrestled with one of the big US companies then trials i dont think should be counted, instead maybe as you said an official match.

I also think we need to consider at this point what happens if something crops up during the draft. For instance, if someone misses their go, do they go as soon as they can or wait till the end of the round? id advocate as soon as they net can but nobody waits once their initial given time is over. Id suggest the same for anyone who maybe has been asked for proof that people tagged for an extended period for eample although in this case maybe one of the following people should wait if they have an intention to pick either of the people in said tag team.

flahavaj

Bubs101 wrote: »

This is why it's flawed. Ibushi has some ridiculous spots and people were hailing it as a great pick without ever seeing him wrestle for more than 10 consistent seconds. To compare, in the football forum there's alot of people who only watch English football who hate Ibrahimovic and they always use the same criticism, he's a youtube footballer. In other words, anybody can look good on youtube if you find the right clip but it doesn't mean they do that all the time every day. If I pick the Japanese Scott Hall and show you his ladder match with HBK and a promo you'd think he was the new Messiah because you're unaware of the crap that he produces most of the time. American picks don't have that luxury

I think Japanese guys who have wrestled for major companies in the US is pretty reasonable. If we're going to allow guys from the past that no one has seen wrestle apart from you tube then the select few that have wrestled in the States is fair enough. At the end of the day all it does is reward ever so slightly those who have a more extensive wrestling knowledge. Allowing everyone in japan tpo be eligible is probably too far a step though as I said earlier. And at the end of the day if no one else knows who a guy is then he won'r be viewed as that good a pick anyway.

Ibushi is f*cking awesome though. In fact Ibushi > Ibra. You should be more sympathetic to smarky Puro fans Bubs I've always said they are to wrestling fandom what Serie A fans are to soccer fandom.;):pac:

Bubs101

flahavaj wrote: »

Ibushi is f*cking awesome though. In fact Ibushi > Ibra. You should be more sympathetic to smarky Puro fans Bubs I've always said they are to wrestling fandom what Serie A fans are to soccer fandom.;):pac:

That's what I mean though. I've known of Ibra's brilliance for ages but you have La Liga fans (like a certain mod here:p) who thought he was crap or overated until his move. There's no way for most of us to tell if the Japanese guys who stay in Japan are all that

flahavaj

Bubs101 wrote: »

That's what I mean though. I've known of Ibra's brilliance for ages but you have La Liga fans (like a certain mod here:p) who thought he was crap or overated until his move. There's no way for most of us to tell if the Japanese guys who stay in Japan are all that

Oh be Gob they are all that. For every sh*thouse wrestling in Japan theres a Maicon, Hamsik and Julio Cesar that's waiting to be discovered. But for the purpose of the game I'm agreed to limit it to guys who've worked the States. Tough that legends like Kawada and Taue will miss out but puts a limit on what is after all a specialise area of pro-wres.

gimmick

Bubs101 wrote: »

There's no way for most of us to tell if the Japanese guys who stay in Japan are all that

I agree with the sentiment thant only japanese who have wrestled for one of the major american promotions should be allowed, but just on the above statement, as I have said before, lack of knowledge cannot dictate rules. if we were to take that to the nth degree, we would only be choosing current WWE wrestlers.

gimmick

Right, from going over the thread, these will be the rules as i see it, though MNG will have to give the final nod.

You have 24 hours to make your pick. If you miss your pick you will have to wait until after number 20 to make your pick.

If you miss your pick twice, you will be eliminated from the contest. Your roster will then be either given to a reserve, or the roster will be divied up in a later round.

If you are banned, for any length of time, during the draft, you will be eliminated from the contest. Your roster will then be either given to a reserve, or the roster will be divied up in a later round.

Tag teams:
- Cannot have a world champion in them ie no DX or Hart Foundation
- Must have tagged together for at least 3 months
- Inter gender tag teams not allowed

Thats all thats certain for now id say, all we need to decide is what are the eligibility criteria of picks ie what promotions are in and what belts are seen as World Championship belts.

Gerard.C

gimmick wrote: »

Right, from going over the thread, these will be the rules as i see it, though MNG will have to give the final nod.



Thats all thats certain for now id say, all we need to decide is what are the eligibility criteria of picks ie what promotions are in and what belts are seen as World Championship belts.

They're good rules, the tag team one really needed to be sorted out. For Promotions, in America id say WWE, TNA and ROH. Someone like Flahavaj would know more about Japan. I'd love to have DragonGate allowed as one of the promotions myself

gimmick

Most fellas on the dragongate roster would have wrestled in ROH anyway, so thats not really a problem.

One thing I would be against happening, and I know this has been touched on earlier in the thread is picks who only had a try out match or dark match for eligible promotions.

flahavaj

gimmick wrote: »

Right, from going over the thread, these will be the rules as i see it, though MNG will have to give the final nod.



Thats all thats certain for now id say, all we need to decide is what are the eligibility criteria of picks ie what promotions are in and what belts are seen as World Championship belts.

Also what time period is allowed. This also affects what pormotions are allowed. If theres no limit on dates you have to allow all the territiories and affiliates of the National Wrestling Alliance as well as Jim Crockett promotions.

This may have been why the 1975 limit was placed last time? I'd love to allow unlimited picks from America this time, mix it up a little. But thats just me. At the very least push the date of debut back to 1970.

Jolt2007

While I'd be happy enough with no time limit on picks I guess it brings its own set of problems like what promotions are still allowed, what counts as a world title and the issue arises again of people being too obscure like the point raised about allowing Japanese picks.

Personally I'd suggest having no limit on time but limit the number of world champs people could choose, say 5, so rosters don't become too heavy with top guys and to make things a little more difficult. Or have an extra pre cut of date rounds like the one last time a bit earlier in the game. If we do have a limit then 1970 sounds good to me.

flahavaj

Jolt2007 wrote: »

While I'd be happy enough with no time limit on picks I guess it brings its own set of problems like what promotions are still allowed, what counts as a world title and the issue arises again of people being too obscure like the point raised about allowing Japanese picks.

Personally I'd suggest having no limit on time but limit the number of world champs people could choose, say 5, so rosters don't become too heavy with top guys and to make things a little more difficult. Or have an extra pre cut of date rounds like the one last time a bit earlier in the game. If we do have a limit then 1970 sounds good to me.

I wouldn't limit the number of world champs because

1. Theres a LOT of former world champs out there if you'r having no time limit.

2. If someone has been clever enough in their picks to end up with a roster loaded with world champs more power to them IMO, it means they've played a good game. Why limit that opportunity?

Jolt2007

flahavaj wrote: »

I wouldn't limit the number of world champs because

1. Theres a LOT of former world champs out there if you'r having no time limit.

2. If someone has been clever enough in their picks to end up with a roster loaded with world champs more power to them IMO, it means they've played a good game. Why limit that opportunity?

Just thought myself a lot of the fun last time was when all the good picks had gone and you really had to work and be clever to get a top pick. Those clever picks made a big difference last time and I was thinking if you allowed any world champ in history missing out on someone wouldn't matter and we'd end up with a lot of evenly matched great rosters.

gimmick

Just an idea as well - how about the draw for the next round gets done after pick 12 of the current round? Might help kep things motoring along.

Also, I/another mod will update the opening post to show the order of the new round like Fozzy did in draft 1.

If anyone wants to show me how to make a grid, I will update it at the end of each round with the picks.

I won't be participating in this draft, as I struggled big time toward the end last time with writing shows etc, despite them being awesome. Also, After being involved in 2 drafts, I cannot think of a different dorection again.

flahavaj

Having stormed to victory last time, I've no interest in showing ye all up again with my booking skills. Going to be pure selfish and book a flahavaj dream card, which means everyone else will probably hate it.

But I'll have my fun and thats all that matters.:pac:

The Volt

flahavaj wrote: »

Having stormed to victory last time, I've no interest in showing ye all up again with my booking skills. Going to be pure selfish and book a flahavaj dream card, which means everyone else will probably hate it.

But I'll have my fun and thats all that matters.:pac:

I thought you wrote very well so I'm sure it'll be interesting anyway

Mr.Nice Guy

gimmick wrote: »

Just an idea as well - how about the draw for the next round gets done after pick 12 of the current round? Might help kep things motoring along.

Also, I/another mod will update the opening post to show the order of the new round like Fozzy did in draft 1.

That sounds good as I think we had a system like that for the second draft and it seemed to help with planning ahead.

Thanks for doing out the rules btw.

gimmick

One rule will will apply for participation is all participants must have at least 25 posts in pro Wrestling in the last 12 weeks AS OF THIS MOMENT. Final say as to eligibility goes to the mods and MNG Spamming to get your post count up will not work. This is so our regular users do not miss out. If we cannot fill the 20 spots, this rule will be left go

You have 24 hours to make your pick. If you miss your pick you will have to wait until after number 20 to make your pick.

If you miss your pick twice, you will be eliminated from the contest. Your roster will then be either given to a reserve, or the roster will be divied up in a later round.

If you are banned, for any length of time, during the draft, you will be eliminated from the contest. Your roster will then be either given to a reserve, or the roster will be divied up in a later round.

Tag teams:
- Cannot have a world champion in them ie no DX or Hart Foundation
- Must have tagged together for at least 3 months
- Inter gender tag teams not allowed

World Titles:
World titles are considered as the following:
WWE, World Heavyweight Title/WCW, TNA and NWA

Eligible Promotions:
WWE, TNA, ROH, anything historically going under the NWA banner.

Time Frame: No professional debuts pre 1970 are eligible. There will be a round for pre 1970 picks. There will also be a celeb round where celebs who have appeared on wrestling TV are elibible for picks.

Thems are the rules folks.

Flahavaj and RebelRockChick as former champions are automatically included unless they specify otherwise. They have until midday Monday 18th to confirm/reject. Mr Nice Guy as MC is also automatically included. That means that there are 17 spots available from when the participation thread is open. Keep a close eye on the forum, as it is first come, first served.

Vince135792003

gimmick wrote: »

Eligible Promotions:
WWE, TNA, ROH, anything historically going under the NWA banner.
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That includes the AWA?

Time Frame: No professional debuts pre 1970 are eligible.

So that means someone like Terry Funk couldn't be picked in the regular rounds?