The Dodgy Boxes are gone

Ranicand

UPC cable is now 100% Nagravison 3 a secure encryption system.

Hopefully UPC will be able to focus it's efforts on adding new channels now?

dunworth1

great to finally hear this.

its about time they cut them off

PauloMN

Great news indeed. It's a pity though that everyone who doesn't steal has to pay for implementation of security measures to stop those who do. I dread to think how much UPC have had to stump up for the right to use that encryption, and all the costs of issuing new cards.

who is this

Not much I imagine -- when they paid for Nagravision's earlier implementations, they were supposed to be secure. Quite evidently they werent so I'd say upgrade costs arent huge.

I reckon the main expense was the equipment - the new cards etc. I'd say thats where Nagravision makes most of the money

loup

Does this mean they might upgrade their dreadful existing boxes and change the software on it to become more user friendly? That purple menu system is DIRE and sooo slow to load!!

Ranicand

loup wrote: »

Does this mean they might upgrade their dreadful existing boxes and change the software on it to become more user friendly? That purple menu system is DIRE and sooo slow to load!!

The Purple system is not a UPC box it is an old NTL one.

Ask for one of the newer UPC boxes they use a different Guide and software.

Vanbis

Ranicand wrote: »

UPC cable is now 100% Nagravison 3 a secure encryption system.

I heard that Nagravison 3 has already been cracked in the US, if its true then those boxes will be back at the of the summer.

Cupart

Vanbis wrote: »

I heard that Nagravison 3 has already been cracked in the US, if its true then those boxes will be back at the of the summer.

Not going into detail as that is not allowed in this forum, but yes N3 has been hacked but extracting keys is totally different story.

N3 is going to stay secure for a very long time to come I hope so UPC can concentrate on getting us a better service...

Vanbis

Vanbis wrote: »

I heard that Nagravison 3 has already been cracked in the US, if its true then those boxes will be back at the of the summer.

Nope, they have a small workaround called iks, which is basically card sharing. Basically sharing the ECMs over the internet from a legit card in a cam.

Requires some sort of a sub to a dodgy cardsharer, these servers could be taken down easy enough if the CC wanted to and your ip address can be identified.

By no means is it like the old dodgyboxes, and doubt we will ever, defiantly not on a large scale see it over here.

BowWow

Since the change to the new encryption I wonder -

• How many people cancelled their UPC service? i.e were they only using it so that they would have a connection and therefore use a "doggy box"?
• How many of UPC's customers who had a basic connection upgraded to a premium package?
• Has Sky seen a higher than usual take up in the UPC areas?

I always felt that UPC didn't push the issue of these boxes too hard while they waited on the new encryption - doing that would have moved people to Sky...

dunworth1

BowWow wrote: »

Since the change to the new encryption I wonder -

• How many people cancelled their UPC service? i.e were they only using it so that they would have a connection and therefore use a "doggy box"?
• How many of UPC's customers who had a basic connection upgraded to a premium package?
• Has Sky seen a higher than usual take up in the UPC areas?

I always felt that UPC didn't push the issue of these boxes too hard while they waited on the new encryption - doing that would have moved people to Sky...

I'd say most went FTA or just kept the basic

Davy

BowWow wrote: »

Since the change to the new encryption I wonder -

• How many people cancelled their UPC service? i.e were they only using it so that they would have a connection and therefore use a "doggy box"?
• How many of UPC's customers who had a basic connection upgraded to a premium package?
• Has Sky seen a higher than usual take up in the UPC areas?

I always felt that UPC didn't push the issue of these boxes too hard while they waited on the new encryption - doing that would have moved people to Sky...

Im pretty sure their was a report recently on upc, and their subscriber base had dropped. I cant remember how much it dropped but im sure some were due to these boxes going.

Ranicand

GerardKeating, Mossy Monk, RangeR

Thanks.

The number of people on UPC may have dropped but they have only lost the freeloaders.

UPC for me is pretty good tv package good phone and really good broadband.

UPC without the freeloaders will have to win custom and real competition is what we want.

I am all for choice if people are happy with Sky then fine.
People that wanted something for nothing will not find the grass very green with Sky 15 euro for each extra room and the need for an Eircom line for multi room.

As for people going for free Sat I wonder how long it will be till they miss their Football and Movies?

3 debits on my account Eircom Sky and UPC is what sent me to the 3 in 1 package from UPC.

If money was not a consideration I would have Sky for TV Eircom for Phone and UPC for broadband.

UPC is the only one of the 3 that can offer all 3 and save me some money.

UPC have made improvements this year.
The bit rate on channels had gone up HD has been introduced and contention in my area has been addressed with more bandwidth added to their broadband.

This year Sky has also improved more HD channels and install is free in many cases plus 3D coming soon.
However I will not fork out to 3 different providers and SKY has no broadband or phone service here.

Eircom had gotten worse this year if anything.

People who had those boxes have a choice now Free to Air Satellite Sky or UPC.

If people want to go for Sky in more then one room they will have to add an Eircom line to the price.

My guess is most will go for Sky and keep the basic UPC in other rooms.

Either way the free lunch is over welcome to the real world.

Also for those that say Sky has a better tv service people should remember they maintain this by making people pay for the channels they watch.

Nagravison 3 is a newer encryption system then Sky's NDS Videoguard and that has not been hacked so I think N3 is pretty safe.

One more thing UPC brings in money for Sky with subscriptions to movies and sports.
Sky was not going to let their channels be watched for nothing they insisted on the N3 too.

Ronan|Raven

To say the dodgyboxes are gone is not correct.

Ranicand

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

To say the dodgyboxes are gone is not correct.

I did say cable MMDS is on it's death bed.

Ronan|Raven

Ranicand wrote: »

I did say cable MMDS is on it's death bed.

The quicker they are gone the better.

Freddie59

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

The quicker they are gone the better.

This is all very cryptic. On the sauce?:D

Ranicand

Freddie59 wrote: »

This is all very cryptic. On the sauce?:D

MMDS is the wireless UPC it has not fully switched to Nagra 3 yet.

If you are out in the sticks UPC offer a microwave tv service with a small antenna on your house.
This is the last part of the service to switch to N3 but it only has weeks or days left.

My first post is correct UPC CABLE is secure MMDS will follow very shortly.

icdg

Okay guys, be VERY careful of what you say on this thread, the lock will be in at first sign of trouble.

Not much to talk about, Nagra 3 is a "Closed system"

UPC done a good job, something we would probaly never seen old NTL do before they went bankrupt.

enfant terrible

Ranicand wrote: »

MMDS is the wireless UPC it has not fully switched to Nagra 3 yet.

If you are out in the sticks UPC offer a microwave tv service with a small antenna on your house.
This is the last part of the service to switch to N3 but it only has weeks or days left.

My first post is correct UPC CABLE is secure MMDS will follow very shortly.

We have been hearing that for months they'd want to get a move on

fergus o brien

people may think upc is good value and some think that sky is, but i would not go for either. endless repeats and plus one channels, and the same programs simply moving around the various channels. take the two newest discovery channels dmax and quest(and of course plus ones)they just take programs from the other discovery channels that we have seen and payed for. all the quality boxing and wrestling is ppv, they tried with the football(premplus)but it failed. now that they have setantas premiership games they might try again to make it ppv. i have a free to air dish and reciever and have all the free uk channels and plenty more, i get the 4 irish channels through my aeriel and i get to see all the premier league football and just about any sport i want and all new movies on my laptop free(and can view them on my big screen tv via 2 cables)and lots of free tv channels. my free to air dish also has a second lnb giving me hotbird satellite, recently i watched the david haye fight for free(ok the audio was foreign but so what)and sky charged extra for it on ppv. sky/upc no thanks im happy with what i have and i only have to pay for my tv licence every year, if people are happy with sky/upc ok but im just saying there is more than those 2 options.

d8player

fergus o brien wrote: »

i get to see all the premier league football and just about any sport i want and all new movies on my laptop free

Where can you watch new movies and sport for free online (legally)???

byte

d8player wrote: »

Where can you watch new movies and sport for free online (legally)???

Free AND legally? Nowhere.

fergus o brien

there are lots of sites online to view movies/sports/top tv shows. as for the legal side of it,well if your only viewing the content thats freely available to everyone on the net there is no problem. the person who makes the content available would be breaking the law(if they do not own the copyright on the content they are making available)its a very popular way of viewing premium tv. some sites are just click on a channel and view it(the quality on these sites can be varied from poor to very good and even in hd) and other sites need video players which can be downloaded free and for the most part they offer a much higher picture quality. example i can watch discovery channel and national geographic channel in very high quality free online(ok they are meant for the asian market,so you get asian subtitles at the end of the screen,but all the programs are in english and are the same as those meant for the english speaking market) i have watched films like saw 6,paranormal activity etc in pretty good quality,i can see all my football(all tho im getting sick of watching my team liverpool get beat)and i can see ppv events. some sites only cater for certain things, i just have saved all the sites i view on a regular basis to my favourites, i have a few video players installed its that easy. you can even view sky tv online(all legal)via sky player. if you know some one who has sky tv and has either sky broadband or sky multi room ask them if you can use there account to log on to sky player(up to four computers can use one account)all you need is a name and address and the sky card number of a mate or familly member. you can contribute a small fee towards the monthly bill and you will get all the subscribed for sky channels, only snag is only the first computer registered will get access to sky movies and sky sports (if they are part of the package payed for) and the other three computers will only get access to the basic channels. and as i say its legal as its all payed for (and four computers being used on any one card is within skys rules).

d8player

fergus o brien wrote: »

...if your only viewing the content thats freely available to everyone on the net there is no problem...

I'd say that's questionable at best

fergus o brien

if you had say a so called dodgy box that you bought from someone and it provide you with all the pay channels free(they would have broken the law as they would have sold you a box with illegal modifications enabling free viewing of pay tv) if you then connect that box up to say sky tv or upc you would then be breaking the law as you would be connected to their networks(this would be viewed as theft in the eyes of the law). i have not modified any device that allows me to view pay tv, i do not sell such devices to anyone else, i do not upload or make available any content to the net that has a copyright or otherwise,and i do not own or run any site that does. i only view what is available free to view to many millons onlne(and as long as no one does this they are within the law),and im sure they will do there best to close this particular avenue in the future but untill then i will have happy viewing. i was only offering my thoughts on various companies services and giving an alternative to pay tv (after all we are in a worldwide recession,people are out of work).

dunworth1

fergus o brien wrote: »

(after all we are in a worldwide recession,people are out of work).

i dont see how people moving the fta will help with the recession

and by moving to fta tv you are only going to cause more people to be out of work

because the tv company upc or sky will not make enough money to employ so many people

Ranicand

dunworth1 wrote: »

and by moving to fta tv you are only going to cause more people to be out of work

because the tv company upc or sky will not make enough money to employ so many people

There was people employed making those pirate boxes too think of them.:D

campo

great that there gone and now that they are UPC are rolling out new channels

yoyo

Ranicand wrote: »

The Purple system is not a UPC box it is an old NTL one.

Ask for one of the newer UPC boxes they use a different Guide and software.

Do UPC provide a free upgrade to this new box? I got UPC installed in march (when they were UPC!) and have that purple crappy box which the EPG goes so slow "Gathering Data..." all the time I have to manually flick thru the channels, also made 3 or 4 favorite channels and for some reson the box lost em? If this new box is more relyable will they replace it?

Nick

Ranicand

yoyo wrote: »

Do UPC provide a free upgrade to this new box? I got UPC installed in march (when they were UPC!) and have that purple crappy box which the EPG goes so slow "Gathering Data..." all the time I have to manually flick thru the channels, also made 3 or 4 favorite channels and for some reson the box lost em? If this new box is more relyable will they replace it?

Nick

They did it for me and they did it for my sister so I don't see why not.

You could upgrade to a DVR while your at it the recording box 5 euro extra per month.:)

cpu-dude

Ranicand wrote: »

I did say cable MMDS is on it's death bed.

Just like dial up internet? Ancient yes but necessary until the Digital option is all over Ireland.

yoyo

Ranicand wrote: »

They did it for me and they did it for my sister so I don't see why not.

You could upgrade to a DVR while your at it the recording box 5 euro extra per month.:)

Fired off a email to em there, cheers, will see what happens, no need for a DVR, most stuff is available on the web if needed anyways

Nick

icdg

yoyo wrote: »

Do UPC provide a free upgrade to this new box? I got UPC installed in march (when they were UPC!) and have that purple crappy box which the EPG goes so slow "Gathering Data..." all the time I have to manually flick thru the channels, also made 3 or 4 favorite channels and for some reson the box lost em? If this new box is more relyable will they replace it?

Nick

They upgraded my box without me requesting it. Owners of the first and second generation NTL boxes (Di4001 and Di4010) are or have been upgraded. Not sure if there is any timeframe for upgrading newer boxes, though.

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Fergus O'Brien banned for 24 hours for quite plainly ignoring mod warning on discussing copyright violation.

enfant terrible

campo wrote: »

great that there gone and now that they are UPC are rolling out new channels

There not gone everyone on MMDS could be watching every premium channel without paying a penny.

Anyone know how many MMDS customers UPC have?

yoyo

icdg wrote: »

They upgraded my box without me requesting it. Owners of the first and second generation NTL boxes (Di4001 and Di4010) are or have been upgraded. Not sure if there is any timeframe for upgrading newer boxes, though.

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Fergus O'Brien banned for 24 hours for quite plainly ignoring mod warning on discussing copyright violation.

The box I have isnt one of those models, its a PACE DC221KN, the remote has the UPC cabbage logo on it but the box itself NTL, its slow and unrelyable, will let yiz know what they say when they get back to me though,

Cheers

Nick

hightower1

fergus o brien wrote: »

there are lots of sites online to view movies/sports/top tv shows. as for the legal side of it,well if your only viewing the content thats freely available to everyone on the net there is no problem. the person who makes the content available would be breaking the law(if they do not own the copyright on the content they are making available)its a very popular way of viewing premium tv. some sites are just click on a channel and view it(the quality on these sites can be varied from poor to very good and even in hd) and other sites need video players which can be downloaded free and for the most part they offer a much higher picture quality. example i can watch discovery channel and national geographic channel in very high quality free online(ok they are meant for the asian market,so you get asian subtitles at the end of the screen,but all the programs are in english and are the same as those meant for the english speaking market) i have watched films like saw 6,paranormal activity etc in pretty good quality,i can see all my football(all tho im getting sick of watching my team liverpool get beat)and i can see ppv events. some sites only cater for certain things, i just have saved all the sites i view on a regular basis to my favourites, i have a few video players installed its that easy. you can even view sky tv online(all legal)via sky player. if you know some one who has sky tv and has either sky broadband or sky multi room ask them if you can use there account to log on to sky player(up to four computers can use one account)all you need is a name and address and the sky card number of a mate or familly member. you can contribute a small fee towards the monthly bill and you will get all the subscribed for sky channels, only snag is only the first computer registered will get access to sky movies and sky sports (if they are part of the package payed for) and the other three computers will only get access to the basic channels. and as i say its legal as its all payed for (and four computers being used on any one card is within skys rules).

fergus o brien, your currently breaking the law. The are currently no websites available offering free to use streaming content from public broadcasters such as discovery etc. The main channels themselves supply a similar service such as RTEplayer and bbc's iPlayer however these are locked to region specific ip addresses as the service is paid for by the purchase of a television license in the specific country so the only free tv service available to you on the web is RTE player.
The site hosting the "free service" is breaking copy write laws as it is publicly broadcasting to a large audience the proprietary material of that channel, you are breaking copyright laws by watching this. Similarly if someone steals a product from a warehouse they are breaking the law, if you are offered these items for sale or free you are still breaking the law by accepting stolen goods. You are aware these services should be paid for and as you have stated you are aware of this but see yourself as not breaking the law as your not the supplier - incorrect , you are in breach of international copyright laws and can be penalised as such.

Krusty_Clown

d8player wrote: »

Where can you watch new movies and sport for free online (legally)???

Devil's advocate - RTE player, and Channel 4's 4OD service. Sure you have to pay a TV license to access the RTE player content (legally), but this is also the case for UPC services.

byte

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Devil's advocate - RTE player, and Channel 4's 4OD service. Sure you have to pay a TV license to access the RTE player content (legally), but this is also the case for UPC services.

LOL, forgot about those! I stand corrected

Steviemak

hightower1 wrote: »

The are currently no websites available offering free to use streaming content from public broadcasters such as discovery etc. The main channels themselves supply a similar service such as RTEplayer and bbc's iPlayer however these are locked to region specific ip addresses as the service is paid for by the purchase of a television license in the specific country so the only free tv service available to you on the web is RTE player.

EU Directive (89/552/EC)

The European Parliament has issued a Directive (known as the AVWF Directive) requiring all member countries to remove the legal blocks on the residents of one EU country from viewing (or listening to) the content of another. Each country is required to make changes to their national laws within two years of the date of the legislation, in other words, the 19th December 2009.

Therefore I would expect things to change and it is the BBC and RTE who are breaking the law if they don't act on the EU directive

hightower1

Steviemak wrote: »

EU Directive (89/552/EC)

The European Parliament has issued a Directive (known as the AVWF Directive) requiring all member countries to remove the legal blocks on the residents of one EU country from viewing (or listening to) the content of another. Each country is required to make changes to their national laws within two years of the date of the legislation, in other words, the 19th December 2009.

Therefore I would expect things to change and it is the BBC and RTE who are breaking the law if they don't act on the EU directive

By contrast, the TVWF Directive applies only to television broadcasting, which is defined as
the initial transmission by wire or over the air, including that by satellite, in encoded or unencoded form, of television programmes intended for reception by the public. (This) includes the communication of programmes between undertakings with a view to their being relayed to the public. It does not include communication services providing items of information or other messages on individual demand such as telecopying, electronic data banks and other similar services.

In layman's terms the legislation has nothing to do with IP streaming media eg iplayer RTEplayer. Ergo Streaming bbcIplayer and other non IRL IP sites from Ireland and Irish IP's is copyright infringement and illegal.

SPDUB

hightower1 wrote: »

Ergo Streaming bbcIplayer and other non IRL IP sites from Ireland and Irish IP's is copyright infringement and illegal.

You appear to have completely forgot about all the radio content which is on BBC iplayer and freely available as well as players on other sites which are available without trying to get around geo restrictions

Your statement is too wide in scope

Krusty_Clown

hightower1 wrote: »

Streaming bbcIplayer and other non IRL IP sites from Ireland and Irish IP's is copyright infringement and illegal.

*Cough*. http://blogs.channel4.com/platform4/2009/09/24/4od-returns-to-the-republic-of-ireland/
Copyright infringement? Illegal? I think not.

icdg

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

*Cough*. http://blogs.channel4.com/platform4/2009/09/24/4od-returns-to-the-republic-of-ireland/
Copyright infringement? Illegal? I think not.

No, but 4OD is cleared for the Republic of Ireland. iPlayer is not.

TBH this thread has gone way off topic and people are ignoring the warnings. Closing it seems the best option.