More doping news

RobFowl

CONI and WADA looking for a 3 year ban for DiLuca
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/di-luca-facing-three-year-ban-for-doping

Schumacher's appeal against a 2 year ban will not be decided ubtil early in 2010
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/schumacher-cas-decision-postponed-until-january

Valverde finally gived date'd for his appeal hearings by CAS
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/435223/valverde-to-face-two-court-hearings.html

And Football is coming down as hard as ever on doping :rolleyes:

CSKA Moscow pair Sergei Ignashevich and Aleksei Berezutsky have been banned for one match after failing a dope test.
Uefa also fined CSKA fined 25,000 euros for not adhering to anti-doping rules
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8418615.stm

stopped_clock

RobFowl wrote: »

And Football is coming down as hard as ever on doping :rolleyes:

OT perhaps, but I'm amused by other sports' fans/participants views on PED-use. A line I've heard more than once is that they wouldn't be of any help in skill-based games, so there'd be no point in using them. This applies to both football and rugby (where the merits of players bulking-up is a topic of debate)!

Am I being too cynical in thinking (illegal) PED-use occurs at about the same rate in all pro sports irrespective of detection rates?

Conjecture and wild accusations only please!

Diarmuid

I couldn't imagine how HGH could help in rugby :rolleyes:

Chips Lovell

18 year old in Italy suspended for using a pregnancy hormone.

Chips Lovell

stopped_clock wrote: »

Am I being too cynical in thinking (illegal) PED-use occurs at about the same rate in all pro sports irrespective of detection rates?

Conjecture and wild accusations only please!

I think there's a doping timebomb sitting under several sports alright. In cycling terms, most of them are still in the pre-Festina days, where doping is rampant and no one wants to talk about it.

Lumen

el tonto wrote: »

18 year old in Italy suspended for using a pregnancy hormone.

Not an easy one to explain.

tunney

el tonto wrote: »

I think there's a doping timebomb sitting under several sports alright. In cycling terms, most of them are still in the pre-Festina days, where doping is rampant and no one wants to talk about it.

I disagree.
Not that its not happening, but that anyone cares.

The amount of times I heard friends and family talking about "how fit" players in various codes are, when PEDs are suggested they are dismissed as "sure what good would they do"...........

Chips Lovell

Lumen wrote: »

Not an easy one to explain.

Something to do with changing testosterone production apparently. Or do you mean trying to come up with an excuse for it?

tunney wrote: »

I disagree.
Not that its not happening, but that anyone cares.

I don't think anyone cared about cycling either until it all came out in the wash and they were forced to care.

Greyspoke

stopped_clock wrote: »

OT perhaps, but I'm amused by other sports' fans/participants views on PED-use. A line I've heard more than once is that they wouldn't be of any help in skill-based games, so there'd be no point in using them. This applies to both football and rugby (where the merits of players bulking-up is a topic of debate)!

Am I being too cynical in thinking (illegal) PED-use occurs at about the same rate in all pro sports irrespective of detection rates?

Conjecture and wild accusations only please!

Bear in mind that the ability to perform skillfully will diminish with fatigue so there is potentially a lot to be gained from any form of doping that will improve endurance. Also of course, these products will allow for harder training and quicker recovery.

petethedrummer

Greyspoke wrote: »

Bear in mind that the ability to perform skillfully will diminish with fatigue so there is potentially a lot to be gained from any form of doping that will improve endurance. Also of course, these products will allow for harder training and quicker recovery.

Well they only need look at Barry Bonds. He broke crazy records in his late 30s from taking PEDs and you wouldn't think they were necessary in Baseball. They also say HGH can improve eyesight, but this has never been proven (or even properly investigated).

stopped_clock

tunney wrote: »

I disagree.
Not that its not happening, but that anyone cares.

The amount of times I heard friends and family talking about "how fit" players in various codes are, when PEDs are suggested they are dismissed as "sure what good would they do"...........

My point exactly. I'd also wonder whether anyone is that pushed.

Greyspoke wrote: »

Bear in mind that the ability to perform skillfully will diminish with fatigue so there is potentially a lot to be gained from any form of doping that will improve endurance.

Not one I'd considered actually, but probably very true.

I was chatting to a buddy one day. We covered various topics including: Dwayne Chambers, complete uselessness of PEDs to soccer-players, importance of pace to said soccer-players... :rolleyes:

Also, I always cringe when I hear a sports-player described as a "quick healer" from injury.

OP end el tonto: Sorry if I've dragged the thread off-topic, I just think it's unfair that cycling gets a bad rap down the pub (and me very new to the game), when it's (arguably) just a bit more honest about its problems.

I read an article years ago where the journo, an amateur cyclist experimented with EPO or similar - openly and genuinely for journalistic reasons. Does that ring a bell with anyone?

stopped_clock

petethedrummer wrote: »

Well they only need look at Barry Bonds.

He always reminds me of the Futurama quip about "mandatory steroid use"

Lumen

el tonto wrote: »

Something to do with changing testosterone production apparently. Or do you mean trying to come up with an excuse for it?

The latter. :pac:

RobFowl

Lumen wrote: »

Not an easy one to explain.

HCG, the "pregnancy hormone" is used in male athletes to stimulate testosterone and epitestosterone production in a way thats more difficult to detect.
It also reduces some effects of anabolic steroid abuse (it stops you meat and two veg shrinking )


http://www.teachpe.com/drugs/hcg.php
Effects on Performance

HCG is mainly used by male athletes as it increases the production of both testosterone and epitestosterone and so keeping the testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio unchanged from normal values (vital in avoiding detection of the presence of other prohibited substances). It is also used to maintain testicular volume in males who are using anabolic steroids. However, it is now thought that it is the hormone FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) which is responsible for maintaining testicular volume and so HCG use would be entirely ineffective. HCG use in females would have no beneficial effect at all.

And a more formal review in a scientific journal
http://www.karger.com/gazette/66/Strasburger/art_02.htm

brianthebard

Diarmuid wrote: »

I couldn't imagine how HGH could help in rugby :rolleyes:

Lol I can't say for sure but I'd be quite confident that there aren't any top rugby players using hgh. It has very specific 'markers' which make its use pretty easy to spot, in bodybuilders at least.
While there are many large rugby players I don't think there are many that would be looking to get hyoooge. anabolic steroids would be more than enough for anyone that wanted to go down that route. Its worth noting that these drugs might be more important from a recovery perspective than a gaining size.

supposedly what hgh does for a person; http://www.thebiguniverse.com/coleman/transform.html

note the head....

petethedrummer

For the football fans:
http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2009/03/french-hair-tests-allegedly-show-1-in-5-soccer-players-with-evidence-of-steroids.html

Chips Lovell

Only 1 in 5?