Saving private ryan

MooseJam

So the guy that killed mr hanks was the guy hanks saved from execution by his buds

moral of the story - Execute your prisoners , commit war crimes

bit odd from the director of Schindler's list

ToniTuddle

Ahhhh dude!!!! Ruined the film on me!!

*sheds a tear*

axer

MooseJam wrote: »

So the guy that killed mr hanks was the guy hanks saved from execution by his buds

moral of the story - Execute your prisoners , commit war crimes

bit odd from the director of Schindler's list

I think it was to show the irony and stupidity of war.

They show it very good in Band of Brothers where one of the characters is talking to a German prison who is from the same town as him in the states. Has a fag and a chat then walks off hearing machine gun fire behind him whereby an american soldier mows down the prisoners (including the German that guy was talking to).

MooseJam

You do know that the primary reason given for most war crimes - most recent example Srebrenica massacre, is to not let go those whom you will face again,

Perfect echo of this film

This film screams murder

Latchy

axer wrote: »

I think it was to show the irony and stupidity of war.

They show it very good in Band of Brothers where one of the characters is talking to a German prison who is from the same town as him in the states. Has a fag and a chat then walks off hearing machine gun fire behind him whereby an american soldier mows down the prisoners (including the German that guy was talking to).

That soldier in question on B O B became an officer , a bit of a hero who lived to tell the tale and was right there tll the end .

TerrorFirmer

MooseJam wrote: »

So the guy that killed mr hanks was the guy hanks saved from execution by his buds

moral of the story - Execute your prisoners , commit war crimes

bit odd from the director of Schindler's list

more subtle moral of the story - playing by the rules isn't always best

helimachoptor

Honestly every soldier alive reduces your chances of getting home alive. I'd be parking my humanity/morality at boot camp.

ReacherCreature

Latchy wrote: »

That soldier in question on B O B became an officer , a bit of a hero who lived to tell the tale and was right there tll the end .

Donald G. Malarky if I'm not wrong.

phelixoflaherty

Shaving Ryans Privates?

ReacherCreature

helimachoptor wrote: »

Honestly every soldier alive reduces your chances of getting home alive. I'd be parking my humanity/morality at boot camp.

Easy to say but probably a different story when it comes down to it I reckon.

mikemac

ReacherCreature wrote: »

Donald G. Malarky if I'm not wrong.

No, he was a Sergeant I think

It was Lieutenant Spears who killed the POW's
Thought it was 2004 when I last saw it

Malakry killed everyone (including the horses ) in an ambush on D Day

MooseJam

Well I think it's fair to say Mr Spielberg regards the death of Jews as oh so terrible ala Schindlers list

But at the same time wants every German butchered

nice guy yeah

Latchy

ReacherCreature wrote: »

Donald G. Malarky if I'm not wrong.

mikemac wrote: »

No, he was a Sergeant I think

It was Lieutenant Spears who killed the POW's
Thought it was 2004 when I last saw it

Think it was Lieutenant Spears .

Vokes

mikemac wrote: »

Malakry killed everyone (including the horses ) in an ambush on D Day

Guarnere, no ?

ReacherCreature

mikemac wrote: »

No, he was a Sergeant I think

It was Lieutenant Spears who killed the POW's
Thought it was 2004 when I last saw it

Malakry killed everyone (including the horses ) in an ambush on D Day

Eh, no.

Malarky's his name, I don't know his rank at the time.

Speirs killed the PoW's, Malarky sat down beside one who was from near his hometown back stateside then left and passed Speirs off.

Bill Guarnere shot the troops and the horses under the bridge. 'Revenge' for losing his brother in Monte Cassino.

krudler

MooseJam wrote: »

So the guy that killed mr hanks was the guy hanks saved from execution by his buds

moral of the story - Execute your prisoners , commit war crimes

bit odd from the director of Schindler's list

Way to completely miss the point of that scene then, well done

MooseJam

I think I got the point actually

krudler

You really didnt, thanks for playing though

indough

MooseJam wrote: »

Well I think it's fair to say Mr Spielberg regards the death of Jews as oh so terrible ala Schindlers list

But at the same time wants every German butchered

nice guy yeah

no it really isnt fair to say that

Morlar

krudler wrote: »

You really didnt, thanks for playing though

Why don't you enlighten the rest of us with the wisdom of your interpretation of it then ?

TerrorFirmer

Morlar wrote: »

Why don't you enlighten the rest of us with the wisdom of your interpretation of it then ?

Well 'Steven Speilbergs message is that every German should be butchered' is pretty out there, the scene is simply showing the harsh reality of life and war - good deeds don't always yield reward, sometimes the right choice is at your expense, difficult to see whats right sometimes, so on and so so forth.

If you want to put it an even simpler way I would just sum it up as '**** happens'. It's life. Same with the scene where Upham shoots him in turn, I think it's fair to say it's just of a simple study of the conscience and morality under extreme stress, contrasting the ideal versus reality really. I highly doubt that Spielberg's intention was to convey that all POWs should be murdered, somehow.

krudler

Morlar wrote: »

Why don't you enlighten the rest of us with the wisdom of your interpretation of it then ?

To show that war isnt always black and white, good and evil, that killing one person can make a difference or it may not, the entire premise of the movie is risking the lives of 8 soldiers to save 1, for a supposed greater good, but it doesnt work that way. Upham killing the German who kills Hanks is just showing how vicious a circle war is, and that no matter how noble an intention is it can backfire with deadly consequences, Upham is portrayed as a coward for most of the movie, out of place as he's a desk jockey not a soldier, him killing the German they let go isnt a triumphant hero moment, its just another dead soldier, like the guys who die trying to find Ryan, and on it goes

Either that or Spielberg is a German hating Jew, whichever you prefer really

MooseJam

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I highly doubt that Spielberg's intention was to convey that all POWs should be murdered, somehow.

Well perhaps he shouldn't have had the pow who was going to be murdered go on and kill the primary character in the film,
there's plenty ways of saying **** happens, infinite ways in fact
but a straight reading of the film says the pow should have been murdered,
it's plain as day , to say otherwise is stretching

krudler

MooseJam wrote: »

Well perhaps he shouldn't have had the pow who was going to be murdered go on and kill the primary character in the film,
there's plenty ways of saying **** happens, infinite ways in fact
but a straight reading of the film says the pow should have been murdered,
it's plain as day , to say otherwise is stretching

Still havent got it, if they'd have killed that POW whats to say another soldier wouldnt have shot Hanks? its just a coincidence, what could have possibly been an avoidable one by killing him in cold blood, its just irony that the person who Hanks decided to let go for his own moral choices, probably trying to find the last humane side to himself since he started fighting in the war, wound up killing him, the whole point is that war makes us do terrible things for the greater good, and sometimes those terrible things are necessary, and the line between doing the right thing and doing the necessary thing is very blurred during a time of war

indough

MooseJam wrote: »

it's plain as day , to say otherwise is stretching

no it really isnt

MooseJam

krudler wrote: »

its just a coincidence

Sorry but there is no such thing as coincidence in film - it's not real life - everything is planned

MooseJam

krudler wrote: »

Either that or Spielberg is a German hating Jew, whichever you prefer really

Well when you add it up with his portrayal of Germans in Indiana Jones yes I think you hit the nail there.

krudler

MooseJam wrote: »

Sorry but there is no such thing as coincidence in film - it's not real life - everything is planned

****ing duh, it was written as a coincidence then, by the screenwriter, who intended it that way,and the director who shot the scene with the same actor happy?

krudler

MooseJam wrote: »

Well when you add it up with his portrayal of Germans in Indiana Jones yes I think you hit the nail there.

Those poor Nazi's,always being portayed as the bad guys eh? I'm sure they just wanted all those supernatural relics as a nice gift basket for Hitlers new flat, some cosy housewarming pressies to remind him they were thinking of him

MooseJam

krudler wrote: »

Those poor Nazi's,always being portayed as the bad guys eh?

I guess you are up for killing pows then, nice

indough

he didnt write this movie or the indiana jones movies anyway

indough

MooseJam wrote: »

I guess you are up for killing pows then, nice

obvious troll is obvious

MooseJam

indough wrote: »

obvious troll is obvious

obvious no comeback in the face of facts is obvious

MooseJam

indough wrote: »

he didnt write this movie or the indiana jones movies anyway

Yea Mr Steven Spielberg has no input

krudler

MooseJam wrote: »

I guess you are up for killing pows then, nice

Poor troll, tries so hard

indough

MooseJam wrote: »

obvious no comeback in the face of facts is obvious

yeah good one

Valmont

Crappiest thread/argument ever in the films forum?

indough

without a shadow of a doubt

itsallaboutheL

ReacherCreature wrote: »

Donald G. Malarky if I'm not wrong.

You are wrong!!

ToniTuddle

I thought calling people Trolls is breaking the rules too...

krudler

This just makes me want to watch Saving Private Ryan again, or Band of Brothers, which is much better. Although now it'll be forever tarnished by the thought of Steven Spielberg living out his German killing fantasies and gleefully wringing his hands as another German is mercilessly executed or has their face melted by a box filled with supernatural beings , mwahahaha!

indough

ToniTuddle wrote: »

I thought calling people Trolls is breaking the rules too...

what about back seat modding? i think it says something about that in there too...

indough

krudler wrote: »

This just makes me want to watch Saving Private Ryan again, or Band of Brothers, which is much better. Although now it'll be forever tarnished by the thought of Steven Spielberg living out his German killing fantasies and gleefully wringing his hands as another German is mercilessly executed or has their face melted by a box filled with supernatural beings , mwahahaha!

i bet he hates truck drivers and sharks as well

ToniTuddle

Just saying wouldn't want people getting in trouble!

I've yet to see the full of Saving Private Ryan.
My brother had control of the TV tonight....like most nights :mad:

As for B O B, I could never get peace to watch it due to people in the house saying..."Ohhh that's violent..you will have bad dreams"...over and over again!! Argghh.

I'm going to buy my own telly and watch all the war movies and series there is!

krudler

indough wrote: »

what about back seat modding? i think it says something about that in there too...

This entire thread is full of wrongdoers:D

Back on topic (sort of) my favourite scene in SPR is when Ed Byrnes and Matt Damon are lying on the rubble waiting for the tanks to come and Byrnes just shoots him a look of "i dont like you, i dont like how me and my mates might be killed so your mammy can see you again, but since we're here, we're all in this together" , its a great little moment from a really underrated actor

indough

oh yeah i was only kidding!

having your own telly is essential in my gaff if you want to see anything

krudler

As for B O B, I could never get peace to watch it due to people in the house saying..."Ohhh that's violent..you will have bad dreams"...over and over again!! Argghh.

What kind of pansy ass house do you live in? :P

BoB is a fantastic series though, i really must watch it again over Christmas

indough

my favourite would be the knife scene

its not really one of my favourite war movies but the beach landing scene is no doubt spectacular

ReacherCreature

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

You are wrong!!

Ah for feck sake L, stop following me around!

Wikipedia entry -

Technical Sergeant Donald G. Malarkey (born July 31, 1921)[2] was a non-commissioned officer with Easy Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, in the 101st Airborne Division of the United States Army during World War II. Malarkey was portrayed in the HBO miniseries Band of Brothers by Scott Grimes

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Malarkey

Few hyperlinks to educate you too.

ToniTuddle

krudler wrote: »

What kind of pansy ass house do you live in? :P

BoB is a fantastic series though, i really must watch it again over Christmas

The Mother worries about my mental health!!

Is it going to be on over Xmas?? Or do you just have the DVDs?
I'll be moving out of home in over a months time. I'll watch Saving Private Ryan on repeat then for a week on badness.
I'll even throw in Full Metal Jacket....well no maybe not..that did in fairness disturb me greatly as a child

ReacherCreature

ToniTuddle wrote: »

Is it going to be on over Xmas?? Or do you just have the DVDs?

The DVD's surprisingly still sell, they're very popular and in some places they're charging a high-ish price for it even though it's out a good few years.

Series never gets old, love it.