WAD EVENTS & GJP Ace Race Event 1, 5k gtd, 28th Dec, Toughers, Naas

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WAD events €5000 Gtd,Toughers,Naas,Mon 28th Dec

€5000 Gtd
THE ACE RACE Event 1
€100 + €20 reg with 1 rebuy/top up @ €50
Toughers,Newhall
Naas, Co. Kildare
Mon 28th Dec @ 4pm (reg from 3pm)
FULLY DEALERED

THE ACE RACE
How it Works:
Every time a player wins a WAD events Ace Race tournament they will receive a trophy with an ace on it. The first player to collect all 4 suits wins the rolling jackpot. We are starting the jackpot at €1000 and will add 5% taken from each event to the jackpot. We expect to have at least 4 monthly games in different venues where it will be possible to win an ace. There will also be a monthly Ace Race game online on Green Joker Poker where it will be possible to win one of the aces. At least 3 of the aces must be won in a live event.
You can keep track of the rising Ace Race jackpot on http://www.theacerace.com and on Green Joker Poker. We expect tournament entries to rise as the jackpot grows so get out there early and try and secure your first ace.

1. Who is running the event: WAD events
2. The purpose of the event: Commercial
3. Date and Location of event: 28th dec, Toughers
4. Registration and Start time of event. Reg from 3pm Game starts 4pm
5. Any prerequisites: No
6. How can tickets be purchased & is there a maximum number: On the day. No max
7. Type of Tournament: NL Holdem
8. Cost of entry and any subsequent rebuys/top-ups etc: Entry €100. One rebuys/top up @ €50
9. Cost of registration: €20
10. % of entry fee/rebuys/top-up going into Prize fund: 100%
10a. Is any money from the prize fund held back for future tournaments, if so, how much: yes, 5% for THE ACE RACE. see http://www.theacerace.com
11. Any guarenteed prize pool: 5k
12. If applicable, Number of re-buys allowed and over what time frame/blind levels: 1 allowed up to level 5
13. Starting Chips: 10k
14. Rebuy and Top-up chip amounts: 15k
15. Blind levels:
25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200
150/300
200/400
300/600
400/800
500/1,000
800/1,500
1000/2000
1200/2400
1500/3000
2000/4000
3000/6000
etc.
Antes may be introduced, depending on entries.
16. Blind timeframes: 20mins untill break, 25mins afterwords
17. Places being paid and if any prizes are other than cash (free entry to other tournie, merchandice etc): final table
18. Are there going to be dealers - and their level of skill: Fully dealered. High skill level
19. Will there be a documented list of rules: Yes
20. Is there a tournament director: Yes
21. How are disputes handled - who has final say: TD has final say

charlesanto

Probability suggests that this will take 100 months to realize a winner.

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charlesanto wrote: »

Probability suggests that this will take 100 months to realize a winner.[/qu
If it does it will definitely be worth the wait for the winner as the jackpot will be huge by then.:D We done a trial in our pub game with this and after 26 tournaments we have 1 player on 3 aces and 5 with 2 aces and these games have 50+ runners. Hopefully as the jackpot grows so will the interest in our games. The idea came about as an alternative to running a league as plenty of leagues have been done before and we felt something different was needed to try and bring players back to the game.
Tommy

strewelpeter

wad events wrote: »

...and we felt something different was needed to try and bring players back to the game.

Will have the opposite effect IMO.

Taking 5% out as a donation to what ...maybe 20 or 30% of the players in any one tournament who would be bothered chasing around the country playing every other event to try to scoop will probably discourage the growth in numbers that these fairly decent tourneys should be getting.

I suppose if it was an optional extra it might be some addition but as proposed it is just a 5% tax on casual players. I'm certainly much less likely to play there again with this nonsense in.

MrReaperMan

wad events wrote: »

THE ACE RACE
How it Works:
Every time a player wins a WAD events Ace Race tournament they will receive a trophy with an ace on it. The first player to collect all 4 suits wins the rolling jackpot. We are starting the jackpot at €1000 and will add 5% taken from each event to the jackpot. We expect to have at least 4 monthly games in different venues where it will be possible to win an ace. There will also be a monthly Ace Race game online on Green Joker Poker where it will be possible to win one of the aces. At least 3 of the aces must be won in a live event.
You can keep track of the rising Ace Race jackpot on http://www.theacerace.com and on Green Joker Poker. We expect tournament entries to rise as the jackpot grows so get out there early and try and secure your first ace.

So does that imply the first person to win 4 tournies wins the race the ace or must you win one of each suit - if so are the suits of each tournie known beforehand?

ghostface ste

strewelpeter wrote: »

Will have the opposite effect IMO.

Taking 5% out as a donation to what ...maybe 20 or 30% of the players in any one tournament who would be bothered chasing around the country playing every other event to try to scoop will probably discourage the growth in numbers that these fairly decent tourneys should be getting.

I suppose if it was an optional extra it might be some addition but as proposed it is just a 5% tax on casual players. I'm certainly much less likely to play there again with this nonsense in.

Have to agree with the above. Have played the last 2 events in Toghers and thought they were good games, and would be inclined to head down to this but taking 5% out of the prize pool for the above is offputting. So if this went on for 3 years and no-one wins it what happens? Also surely in the event that someone has 2/3 aces to there name in a tourn and reaches another final table there would be all sorts of issues with collusion...

Just my 2 cent anyway, do enjoy this game but the change is not a welcome one

Shortstack

I may be proven wrong but I think you will find the general poker masses that attend WAD events and similar tournaments will find this a very appealing offer and numbers at these events will increase on the back of it, more than making up for the 5% deduction.

There is nothing wrong with aiming promotions at the regular players who attend the events - in fact it should be this way. There will always be a minority who may not benefit from such a promotion. That's life, you cannot please everybody.

MrReaperMan

Here's an idea.....

Instead of taking 5% from the prize pool why don't you take €5-€10 from the reg fee per player and add it to the jackpot.(at 13% if you rebuy and 20% if you don't the reg ain't cheap)

For every player registered we will add €5 to the jackpot etc etc

As Bill Cullen would say "I want to see a bit of innovation"

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strewelpeter wrote: »

Will have the opposite effect IMO.

Taking 5% out as a donation to what ...maybe 20 or 30% of the players in any one tournament who would be bothered chasing around the country playing every other event to try to scoop will probably discourage the growth in numbers that these fairly decent tourneys should be getting.

I suppose if it was an optional extra it might be some addition but as proposed it is just a 5% tax on casual players. I'm certainly much less likely to play there again with this nonsense in.

This is an alternative to taking money for a league where probably the same percentage of players would chase it. 5% of a 7k pot(the last Toughers pot) amounts to just €350 of the prize pool and is a fairer way of building the jackpot as smaller prize pools would be hit too hard if we just took a set amount.

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MrReaperMan wrote: »

So does that imply the first person to win 4 tournies wins the race the ace or must you win one of each suit - if so are the suits of each tournie known beforehand?

yes, four tournies wins the ace race. you get a different suit each time you win.

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ghostface ste wrote: »

Have to agree with the above. Have played the last 2 events in Toghers and thought they were good games, and would be inclined to head down to this but taking 5% out of the prize pool for the above is offputting. So if this went on for 3 years and no-one wins it what happens? Also surely in the event that someone has 2/3 aces to there name in a tourn and reaches another final table there would be all sorts of issues with collusion...

Just my 2 cent anyway, do enjoy this game but the change is not a welcome one

Hi ghostface,
Sorry to here that this may put you off. We felt we needed to bring something different in to keep the game moving forward. Ragardless of what happens in the future the jackpot will be paid out. As for collusion we expect that that could happen if the jackpot gets to a point where it it is worth more than the tournament itself. We have measures in place to help prevent this like bounties. As you know collusion in any poker event is not tolerated so it will be difficult to get all players on the final table to agree and if we have proof of it happening the Ace may be withheld for that event. Hopefully this wont happen and it will be won fair and square. Thanks for the feedback anyway. Hope you still feel its worth the trip as all players are really appreciated.
Tommy

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MrReaperMan wrote: »

Here's an idea.....

Instead of taking 5% from the prize pool why don't you take €5-€10 from the reg fee per player and add it to the jackpot.(at 13% if you rebuy and 20% if you don't the reg ain't cheap)

For every player registered we will add €5 to the jackpot etc etc

As Bill Cullen would say "I want to see a bit of innovation"

Hi MrReaperman
As you know the Reg fee for our game is €20 and I think any increase would not be accepted. At this price we dont cover the cost of the tournament. Dealer cost, food and/or room hire see to that ( I'm sure most if not all organisers would agree). We are reliant on the cash game to make up the shortfall and make a profit for the night. We have already added €1000 to the jackpot as a bonus and will be introducing more incentives if the ace race is a success. Like you I enjoy playing poker myself and appreciate your thoughts so all suggestions are welcome. Hopefully this jackpot will add numbers to our games and create bigger prizepools which will ultimately benefit everyone.
Tommy

strewelpeter

Shortstack wrote: »

I may be proven wrong but I think you will find the general poker masses that attend WAD events and similar tournaments will find this a very appealing offer and numbers at these events will increase on the back of it, more than making up for the 5% deduction.

If you are right and this got it to 100+ runners then it should be a case of success breeding success. I hope you are right because this game with that kind of turnout would be very attractive.
What are the details of the online Tournaments?

wad events wrote: »

This is an alternative to taking money for a league where probably the same percentage of players would chase it.

Sure if you did run a league, then the promotion would be costing exactly the same to the players that won't chase this one. Its not as if this is being run in tournaments in one location but all over the country. What % of your regular players turn up at more than two locations?
Why not just keep on running the good games you are running and maybe extend the Guarantee to 7500 and maybe later to 10K as a promotion?

wad events wrote: »

Hi MrReaperman
As you know the Reg fee for our game is €20 and I think any increase would not be accepted. At this price we dont cover the cost of the tournament. Dealer cost, food and/or room hire see to that

I'm sure that he didn't mean you should take the money from an increased fee.
But if you took 25% of the reg fee for this promotion and it worked to bring an increase the turnout more than a quarter then you would have more income from reg and enough extra cash players to more than compensate for the small part of your costs that are not fixed.
The way you are doing it is asking players to pay for a promotion that really only befefits you. OK it gives some edge to the small percentage of players who will play enough of your games to have a chance of winning the prize after the first couple of Months. That is exactly as it should be, the more players you get the more profit you make and fair play to you but I don't particularly want to pay to grow your business for you.

wad events wrote: »

...We have measures in place to help prevent this like bounties. As you know collusion in any poker event is not tolerated so it will be difficult to get all players on the final table to agree and if we have proof of it happening the Ace may be withheld for that event.

Wat?
Can you expand on that and give us all the rules and regulations.
Are you planning bounties on players who have a chance of scooping?
LOL at the idea of anyone being able to prevent collusion among a group of players as familiar with each other as many of your players are, and an even bigger LOL at being able to prove it.

westlife

:(anyway

Phil Baker in

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Hi Strewelpeter
Thanks for the feedback. The online games details have yet to be decided by GJP but probably will be €50 with a €50 rebuy. Hopefully this promotion will work out for the best. I honestly believe its good to try new ideas in good faith. I admit it is a business we are running to try and make a living so we will do everything we can to make this promotion successful and fun for poker players. If it suits players to play our event then great, if not at least we know we tried.
Thanks again
Tommy

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NuckChorris1

Is it possible to use a ticket (won last month) for this in January if I can't make it? Hope to play, but Christmas drinking season might just get in the way.

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NuckChorris1 wrote: »

Is it possible to use a ticket (won last month) for this in January if I can't make it? Hope to play, but Christmas drinking season might just get in the way.

Yeah, thats no problem. you can use it at any of our games.

Juan Pablo

Looking forward to this, still a 4pm start?

Stato x

Hi could u tell me is there late reg. available and until what level please. Thanks

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Game starts at 4pm and buy ins will be allowed up to the break after 5 20min levels.

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Cash games will be running from 3pm.

gorrrr72

Cheers Tommy, see you there.

Stato x

wad events wrote: »

Game starts at 4pm and buy ins will be allowed up to the break after 5 20min levels.

Thanks man
Looking forward to it

westlife

tommy, whats the latest you can get down for this

strewelpeter

westlife wrote: »

tommy, whats the latest you can get down for this

wad events wrote: »

Game starts at 4pm and buy ins will be allowed up to the break after 5 20min levels.

Despite my misgivings I'll probably head over and hopefully this promo attracted enough extra bodies to make it worthwhile

zztopper

any results

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zztopper wrote: »

any results

Sorry for the delay. Broadband problems.

47 runners. €6850 pot.
€340 (5%) to Ace Race jackpot.
Payout structure before deal,
1st €2500+Ticket+trophy
2nd €1500+Ticket
3rd €1000+Ticket
4th €700
5th €430

1. Jamie Browne
2. Timmy Kavanagh
3. Jamie Wise
4. Noel Bradley
5. Oliver Scully
6. Elaine Casey
7. Trevor Crawford
8. Chris Dowling
9. Anne Casey

Many thanks to all who played.