Public Sector got Pay Increases this year ? Pay Increments ?

green123

did public sector workers get pay increases by moving up the pay scale this year ?

will they move up the scale next year and get pay increments ?





edit to answer my own question.

yes they got increases this year

confirmed below that they are getting pay increases




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maxximus

mind your own business :mad:

jon1981

maxximus wrote: »

mind your own business :mad:

it is his business! its everyones business :mad:

iseethelight

As far as I know theres a pay freeze, whats the point of another ps bashing thread they've taken 2 hits this year, get over it

MoominPapa

Google is your friend: Public Sector Increments 2009
4th result:http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2009/02/08/story39397.asp

Let the outrage begin...

Diarmuid

iseethelight wrote: »

As far as I know theres a pay freeze, whats the point of another ps bashing thread they've taken 2 hits this year, get over it

and their employer will still be short €21.939bn in their 2010 budget.

Dr_Phil

Diarmuid wrote: »

and their employer will still be short €21.939bn in their 2010 budget.

After taking opportunity to pay them as little as possible (reliefs, tax credits, medical cards, etc, etc...).

Diarmuid

Dr_Phil wrote: »

After taking opportunity to pay them as little as possible (reliefs, tax credits, medical cards, etc, etc...).

I don't follow? As "little as possible" would be reducing wages until enough people leave that you end up at the level of service you want. In the current job climate that would be 30% if not more. Not saying that would be fair though.

green123

maxximus wrote: »

mind your own business :mad:

lol
you embarrassed ? you should be.

iseethelight wrote: »

As far as I know theres a pay freeze, whats the point of another ps bashing thread they've taken 2 hits this year, get over it

as far as i know they got a pay increase this year via the ridiculous pay increments just because they are in the job an extra year.

and as far as i know they will get another pay increase next year again.

the point is that they are still on very very good wages.
teachers and gardai will still be on an average of over 50k :eek:

Mr. Presentable

green123 wrote: »

lol
.
gardai will still be on an average of over 50k :eek:

I've had a quick look, and these are the rates of pay. Even at 17 years service none reaches 50k. Now, I expect you are including overtime etc in your "average" figure, but could you support it please?

amacachi

The low paid (under 30k) in the civil service have an increment of around a grand a year, if they get that then with the 5% cut they're actually being cut 0-1.6% by my maths.

Riskymove

amacachi wrote: »

The low paid (under 30k) in the civil service have an increment of around a grand a year, if they get that then with the 5% cut they're actually being cut 0-1.6% by my maths.

a lot of public service jobs are on incremental scales, this has generally always been the case.

there are only so many points on this scale, however....so not every one gets them every year..there is a limit

Mr. Presentable

amacachi wrote: »

The low paid (under 30k) in the civil service have an increment of around a grand a year, if they get that then with the 5% cut they're actually being cut 0-1.6% by my maths.

An increment is circa 1.5 - 2%. Not "around a grand"

Wood

Yeah i'm on amazing wages, under 400 per week, fantastic.

€200 Dole, €150 Rent allowance, Medical card, No travel costs, clothing allowances, utility and appliance allowances?

In actual money I'm €46 better off right now, i'll be around €25-30 better off when the budget comes in. If we take travel and medical card into account, i'd be better off on the dole.

So why should i have to work for less money than the majority of people on social welfare? Well before the budget, after the budget this will change.

maxximus

green123 wrote: »

lol
you embarrassed ? you should be.



as far as i know they got a pay increase this year via the ridiculous pay increments just because they are in the job an extra year.

and as far as i know they will get another pay increase next year again.

the point is that they are still on very very good wages.
teachers and gardai will still be on an average of over 50k :eek:

Definitely not embarassed , the bitterness will eat you up in the end , I couldnt give a flying one what you do or say or what you earn for that matter.

green123

nipplenuts wrote: »

Now, I expect you are including overtime etc in your "average" figure, but could you support it please?

from the thread on top of this forum
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055750520

of course i am including overtime and allowances because that is how much they really get paid.
1200 per week on average or 62k per year.
cut it by 16% or even 20% and they are still on about 50k

amacachi wrote: »

The low paid (under 30k) in the civil service have an increment of around a grand a year, if they get that then with the 5% cut they're actually being cut 0-1.6% by my maths.

exactly , so no cut at all really.

and a pay increase to look forward to next year :eek:

BostonB

I'm pretty vague on this, so i could be completely wrong. But do do increments not work differently between civil service and public sector? Do increments not stop when your at the end of your scale, and you only get long service increments after so many years, 5 or 7? Do they not also depend on what grade you are, as some grades don't get them, and some do. Increments are based on good performance, though I doubt they get stopped for poor performance. Unions etc.

green123

Wood wrote: »

Yeah i'm on amazing wages, under 400 per week, fantastic.

when referring to your salary please quote your yearly gross.

i had 2 gardai in after hours trying to tell me that they only earned 300 per week - less than minimium wage.

so you can see how pointless it is to quote your take home pay after taxes or loans or other personal expenses

what is your yearly gross ?

maxximus

green123 wrote: »

when referring to your salary please quote your yearly gross.

i had 2 gardai in after hours trying to tell me that they only earned 300 per week - less than minimium wage.

so you can see how pointless it is to quote your take home pay after taxes or loans or other personal expenses

what is your yearly gross ?

mind your own business

granturismo

green123 wrote: »

exactly , so no cut at all really.
and a pay increase to look forward to next year :eek:

Not all state employees will receive an increment because they are on the top of their scale. Not all scales reach the fantastic heights of 50k. There is an embargo on promotions in most if not all departments.

Do you not think that the government have included increments in their estimates.

According to those we elected to govern and lead us, our economy will improve next year, there will be no need for another equivalent budget even though Joan Bruton claims that the estimates for next year include an extra 75000 new entrants onto the dole. So trust in our elected representatives that most of the anti public service ranters have praised for introducing cutbacks that had to be made.

Stark

Wood wrote: »

So why should i have to work for less money than the majority of people on social welfare? Well before the budget, after the budget this will change.

Because according to some trade union dick on RTE yesterday (can't remember which one it was), by reducing the dole, we'd be infringing on a person's right to refuse a job "insert race to the bottom rhetoric here".

NinjaTruncs

Annual increments are being paid, my Wife got hers in October.

I feel the gov. are being selective with their wording of statements, they appear to have stop promoting people onto new pay scales, but if you are not at the top of your current pay scale you will keep getting increments until you reach it.

Alcatel

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

Annual increments are being paid, my Wife got hers in October.

As did mine.

quad_red

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

Annual increments are being paid, my Wife got hers in October.

This flabbergasts me

Fair dues for being honest about it.

gazzer

Not all CS get increments every year. For instance the last time I got an increment was Feb 08. I MIGHT be entitled to another one in Feb 11 but who knows what way the economy will be by then so I wouldnt hold my breath on it.

NinjaTruncs

I am unaware of the workings of the entire PS, i only know what happens in my wifes place of work.

segaBOY

maxximus wrote: »

mind your own business :mad:

maxximus wrote: »

mind your own business

So you did get a pay increase and you are on a fairly decent wages by those comments, thanks.

P. Breathnach

BostonB wrote: »

I'm pretty vague on this, so i could be completely wrong. But do do increments not work differently between civil service and public sector?

Large numbers of civil service and public service jobs have incremental scales; they are less common in the wider realm of the rest of the public sector.

Do increments not stop when your at the end of your scale, and you only get long service increments after so many years, 5 or 7?

That's about right, but not all scales have long service increments.

Do they not also depend on what grade you are, as some grades don't get them, and some do. Increments are based on good performance, though I doubt they get stopped for poor performance. Unions etc.

Increments can be refused for unsatisfactory performance. It happens, but is far from common.

maxximus

segaBOY wrote: »

So you did get a pay increase and you are on a fairly decent wages by those comments, thanks.

will get mine in jan , hahaha

ssaye

IMO will be paid in increments this year and the next and on and on... This the way its always been.

nurse23

got my increment in july, my first. everyone else did too and ill get another one next year. there has been no freeze on increments.

frman

nurse23 wrote: »

got my increment in july, my first. everyone else did too and ill get another one next year. there has been no freeze on increments.

So what is everyone complaining about ?

nurse23

frman wrote: »

So what is everyone complaining about ?

no idea. worked out yesterday what the pay cuts will mean for me. ill be down id say 25-30a week. no kids no mortgage and im young so to be honest i can well afford it. thought it'd be way worse. much prefer this to 12 days unpaid. that said do feel sorry for those with more overheads than me. 30euro may be nothin for me but im sure it'll cause a lot of bother for others. that said the cuts have been made its time to knuckle down and get to work reforming our services and do a good job. plus im not part of a union so really could not give a toss about them, personally dont think their helping the situation at all. hope there are no more strikes.

granturismo

ssaye wrote: »

IMO will be paid in increments this year and the next and on and on... This the way its always been.

No, you're wrong.

Some scales have 5 increments so after 5 years, no more increments. Some scales have 13 increments etc

There are no more promotions, so once someone reaches the top of a scale they cannot advance to a higher scale, assuming they had a higer scale to apply for, above their entry level.

There will be no more recruitment, so so new entrants to pay.

Wood

green123 wrote: »

when referring to your salary please quote your yearly gross.

i had 2 gardai in after hours trying to tell me that they only earned 300 per week - less than minimium wage.

so you can see how pointless it is to quote your take home pay after taxes or loans or other personal expenses

what is your yearly gross ?

€28495,

€547.98 per week

Income Levy 11.07
Paye 32.65
Prsi - Ee 36.26
Estd.Full Pens (Survi 8.65
Estd.Full Pens (Perso 8.65
Estd.Full Pens (Lump 4.06
Pension Related Deduc 15.60


Total Deductions 116.94

Take home: 431.04

Loss with budget cuts: ca. €30 per week.

So apologies, i'll be on slightly more than 400 per week, about €401.

All deductions come straight from my payslip as written.

Happy now?

We're not all high rollers here, i'm not in the union as i think they've always done more hard than good with their bully boy tactics, and i need that extra 400 quid a year more than they need it.

I think the budget wasn't as bad as it could've been, but when everybody looks at the average figures it doesn't show it for what it is.

For example:
I've been here in my department for 6 years, same section, never had any problems and i do my job well, but, I have 6 managers.

Why do 2 clerical officers need 6 managers? I'm happy enough to keep my job and take a cut, but there's a lot of people directly above me on the ladder whose primary function seems to be to tell me what to do six times.

We could drop 3 of these guys and not lose any productivity. The mind boggles, too many chiefs springs to mind.



Sorry about the rambling, I'm not anti-private sector in any way, worked there for years myself, and i currently have an unemployed father and a broke mother because of it. The government overspent, civil servants being employees of the government had to take a cut, simple as. If this was the private sector we'd be lucky to have jobs, never mind a 5% cut.


Next week on Jeremy Kyle.......

quad_red

maxximus wrote: »

will get mine in jan , hahaha

Go you.

Aren't you on other threads telling people how badly off ye all are?

Mr. Presentable

green123 wrote: »

from the thread on top of this forum
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055750520

of course i am including overtime and allowances because that is how much they really get paid.
1200 per week on average or 62k per year.
cut it by 16% or even 20% and they are still on about 50k


exactly , so no cut at all really.

and a pay increase to look forward to next year :eek:

How many hours does your sample Garda have to work for 50k - suppose he has five years service?

maxximus

maxximus wrote: »

mind your own business

the Public Sectors employer is short on money. Now they will borrow this money. This means that not only does everybody have to pay more taxes now they will have to pay even higher taxes in the future because the borrowings accrue interest.

So you see, it is everyones business.

nipplenuts

nipplenuts wrote: »

How many hours does your sample Garda have to work for 50k - suppose he has five years service?

Gardai put in a full 40 hour week as opposed to some office jobs in the public sector

douglashyde

It would seem that at this time that next year there will be a further pay cut on civil servants and rightly so.

Public Sector wages should match or become lower than those of the Privite Sector, why? because the added value of working for the Public Sector should reduce wages in contrast to the Private Sector.

As far as pay increments go, this is expected in all professions regardless of Public or Private.

Ginger Nut

douglashyde wrote: »

It would seem that at this time that next year there will be a further pay cut on civil servants and rightly so.

Public Sector wages should match or become lower than those of the Privite Sector, why? because the added value of working for the Public Sector should reduce wages in contrast to the Private Sector.

As far as pay increments go, this is expected in all professions regardless of Public or Private.

Will ye all give it up about the public service. Do ye not realise that the powers that be are delira to have the public V the private sector at loggerheads. But what about the greed in the private sector. FOR EXAMPLE The property developers who creamed it with overpriced boxes they built all over the country - which are now selling at €100K less than 2 years ageo - Iknow I just bought one

douglashyde

Ginger Nut wrote: »

Will ye all give it up about the public service. Do ye not realise that the powers that be are delira to have the public V the private sector at loggerheads. But what about the greed in the private sector. FOR EXAMPLE The property developers who creamed it with overpriced boxes they built all over the country - which are now selling at €100K less than 2 years ageo - Iknow I just bought one

It's called capitalism, if people pay the price then builders kept on building.

However, these builders created their own wealth(appart from a few criminals who where corrupt). If you want to talk about greed, then let's talk about an overpaid civil service, who's some of its members will vote to strike rather than take a clearly needed pay cut..... This is not creating your own wealth, it is merely taking it!

Lawros Tache

douglashyde wrote: »

It's called capitalism, if people pay the price then builders kept on building.

However, these builders created their own wealth(appart from a few criminals who where corrupt). If you want to talk about greed, then let's talk about an overpaid civil service, who's some of its members will vote to strike rather than take a clearly needed pay cut..... This is not creating your own wealth, it is merely taking it!

you're hardly THAT naive? Seriously....

bmmck

green123 wrote: »

did public sector workers get pay increases by moving up the pay scale this year ?

will they move up the scale next year and get pay increments ?





edit to answer my own question.

yes they got increases this year

confirmed below that they are getting pay increases




Yes the top boys did, like the APs, POs, Ministers etc but the poor little man on 25 or 30 grand didnt

Dr_Phil

Diarmuid wrote: »

I don't follow? As "little as possible" would be reducing wages until enough people leave that you end up at the level of service you want. In the current job climate that would be 30% if not more. Not saying that would be fair though.

Sure you don't.

I got the impression that you just pronounced yourself (as well as others) PS "employer" who actually pays PS staff and therefore is fully entitled to moan about the deficit. Well, my idea is - if you wanna fix it - start from yourself:

Make people - and so do you - to pay taxes, pay MORE taxes (sort of a pay-cut), do not claim child benefit, don't use interest reliefs, don't use medical cards, FIS, etc. Until everyone understands the way they drain the budget and screw the country - I would just shut up.

What have YOU done to minimise deficit? It's just great to pay as little as possible and claim as much as possible, trying to take from the others at the same time, isn't it?

It's just awesome to find a scapegoat, PS, bankers, hell yeah!! Crowd with torches and we are back in dark ages. Certainly only bankers and PS are the ones to blame.

The more I read ridiculous statements about PS and bankers the more sick I am.

BroomBurner

I got my increment there yesterday, my net salary has now gone up a WHOPPING €22.75

At the moment, I am now, with my second increment under my belt, earning 4% less than I was when I first started in the public sector. With another ~6% decrease to come! Yayyy!

Yes, I am feeling sorry for myself.

erictheviking

Deleted User wrote: »

the Public Sectors employer is short on money. Now they will borrow this money. This means that not only does everybody have to pay more taxes now they will have to pay even higher taxes in the future because the borrowings accrue interest.

So you see, it is everyones business.

The way some people go on you would think the PS sit at home doing feck all and getting money for free. They WORK and get paid for it like everyone else.
Who cares if they get an increment, it definitely won't make up for what they lost.
Anyway, they need the extra money for the cosmetic surgery to get rid of their pointy horns and tails:rolleyes:

Let it Go!
If you all directed as much anger at the politicians, bankers and developers we would have no problems!!!

green123

the independant has this story today
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/budget/news/now-public-sector-staff-to-share-8364230m-rise-1973792.html

MOST of the country's 340,000 public sector workers will get a pay rise next year -- wiping out a quarter of the wage cuts imposed in the Budget.

Public servants will be paid increases next year worth an extra €230m to their pay packets, which will counter the €1bn Budget cuts.

The pay system in the public sector allows most workers to go up the ladder each year, meaning their gross salaries increase on an annual basis.


so €250m last year and €230 next year - nearly half a billion.
the cuts were only 1 billion so with these pay rises last year and more pay rises to look forward to next year the public sector are really not talking very much of a cut at all.

so stop all the moaning and all the talk about strikes

Wishbone Ash

green123 wrote: »

The pay system in the public sector allows most workers to go up the ladder each year, meaning their gross salaries increase on an annual basis

1. The incremental scale is part of the employment contract (but not the actual amounts). Unless the Government renegotiated every contract, they could not abolish incremental increases but could only reduce the amounts.

2. Many public servants are not on any incremental scale.

3. Many public servants would already be at the top of their scale and would not be entitled to any further increases.

imme

jon1981 wrote: »

it is his business! its everyones business :mad:

why not have a look at this thread I started Mr Angry Face. It might actually get you somewhere.

green123

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

1. The incremental scale is part of the employment contract (but not the actual amounts). Unless the Government renegotiated every contract, they could not abolish incremental increases but could only reduce the amounts.

2. Many public servants are not on an incremental scale.

3. Many public servants would already be at the top of their scale and would not be entitled to any further increases.

1. Fine, but they should stop all the moaning about pay cuts when at the same time they are getting pay rises. In many cases they are almost cancelling each other out to a large extent.

2. Many public servants are on an incremental scale.

3. Many public servants are not at the top of their scale and would be entitled to further increases.

4. Many public servants got pay increases this year and can look forward to further pay increases next year