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Now, don't tell me the Public sector worker hasn't paid..

  • 09-12-2009 10:50PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭


    My personal cirscumstance: (As a teacher)
    • 2% Income Levy
    • 1% health Levy
    • 6.9% Pensions Levy
    • 5% on €30,000
    • 7.5% on the remaining €15,000
    Don't patronise me, and don't tell me Public sector workers haven't paid for the mess the Banking and Construction Sectors have left behind, both aligned to the "Private sector". Makes me sick. . .

    When will Mr. "Lenihan-dinthepocket" come back and steal from us again.

    He had some cheek to stand up in the Dáil this afternoon and claim An taoiseach's salary was being reduced by 20% and ministerial pay to be reduced by 15%. What a joke, in real terms, beginning in 2010, it's taking a further hit by only 5%. The same amount as a public Sector worker on €30,000 p.a. Absolutely shameful.

    I didn't hear him say a public sector worker on 45,000 a year is taking a pay cut of over 16% in total ........

    Anyway, off to the North tomorrow evening to spend whatever hard-earned money i've left!!!!

    P.S. Our new cuts are beginning 1st Jan. 2010. You're guaranteed that the shops / pubs in the south will take sometime to reduce VAT rates and Excise rates on Alcohol. And you'll be sure the petrol stations will hike the Petrol prices at the stroke of Midnight tonight. Oh yeah, that's the greedy private sector


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    as your previous boss used to say

    "A lot done, more to do"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,182 ✭✭✭dvpower


    foxymm wrote: »
    Anyway, off to the North tomorrow evening to spend whatever hard-earned money i've left!!!!

    Yeah. That'll help.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 176 ✭✭mallet head


    foxymm wrote: »
    My personal cirscumstance: (As a teacher)
    • 2% Income Levy
    • 1% health Levy
    • 6.9% Pensions Levy
    • 5% on €30,000
    • 7.5% on the remaining €15,000
    Don't patronise me, and don't tell me Public sector workers haven't paid for the mess the Banking and Construction Sectors have left behind, both aligned to the "Private sector". Makes me sick. . .

    When will Mr. "Lenihan-dinthepocket" come back and steal from us again.

    He had some cheek to stand up in the Dáil this afternoon and claim An taoiseach's salary was being reduced by 20% and ministerial pay to be reduced by 15%. What a joke, in real terms, beginning in 2010, it's taking a further hit by only 5%. The same amount as a public Sector worker on €30,000 p.a. Absolutely shameful.

    I didn't hear him say a public sector worker on 45,000 a year is taking a pay cut of over 16% in total ........

    Anyway, off to the North tomorrow evening to spend whatever hard-earned money i've left!!!!

    P.S. Our new cuts are beginning 1st Jan. 2010. You're guaranteed that the shops / pubs in the south will take sometime to reduce VAT rates and Excise rates on Alcohol. And you'll be sure the petrol stations will hike the Petrol prices at the stroke of Midnight tonight. Oh yeah, that's the greedy private sector


    Come back to me when you lose 12% of your number to the dole. They've all taken a 60% percent pay cut.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    See how much you teaching counterparts earn in Norn Iron and you'll understand why prices are cheaper up there...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    foxymm wrote: »
    My personal cirscumstance: (As a teacher)
    • 2% Income Levy
    • 1% health Levy
    • 6.9% Pensions Levy
    • 5% on €30,000
    • 7.5% on the remaining €15,000
    Don't patronise me, and don't tell me Public sector workers haven't paid for the mess the Banking and Construction Sectors have left behind, both aligned to the "Private sector". Makes me sick. . .

    When will Mr. "Lenihan-dinthepocket" come back and steal from us again.

    He had some cheek to stand up in the Dáil this afternoon and claim An taoiseach's salary was being reduced by 20% and ministerial pay to be reduced by 15%. What a joke, in real terms, beginning in 2010, it's taking a further hit by only 5%. The same amount as a public Sector worker on €30,000 p.a. Absolutely shameful.

    I didn't hear him say a public sector worker on 45,000 a year is taking a pay cut of over 16% in total ........

    Anyway, off to the North tomorrow evening to spend whatever hard-earned money i've left!!!!

    P.S. Our new cuts are beginning 1st Jan. 2010. You're guaranteed that the shops / pubs in the south will take sometime to reduce VAT rates and Excise rates on Alcohol. And you'll be sure the petrol stations will hike the Petrol prices at the stroke of Midnight tonight. Oh yeah, that's the greedy private sector

    private sector workers

    income levy.
    health insurance levy

    :o have to pay thier own pensions.

    lost thier jobs

    sitting on the dole

    can't get work.

    dole gets cut

    still can't get work

    I'm sure their hearts bleed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    foxymm wrote: »
    Don't patronise me, and don't tell me Public sector workers haven't paid for the mess the Banking and Construction Sectors have left behind, both aligned to the "Private sector". Makes me sick. . .


    have you considered teaching in a country that pays more?

    LOL?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭_michelle_


    everyone needs to play there part & to be honest i think public sector pay should have been cut 9% accross the board (€25000 & under being excluded)
    so really get a grip on reality we couldnt continue the way it was :mad:!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Mad_Max


    foxymm wrote: »
    My personal cirscumstance: (As a teacher)
    • 2% Income Levy
    • 1% health Levy
    Don't patronise me, and don't tell me Public sector workers haven't paid for the mess the Banking and Construction Sectors have left behind, both aligned to the "Private sector". Makes me sick. . .

    In fairness don't add these to your arguments, we all pay these.

    I kind of agree that we can't say you haven't paid your share now. I don't think anyone would come back next year and say you haven't paid anything.

    They may ask to cut it again but they definately wouldn't say you haven't contributed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    foxymm wrote: »
    When will Mr. "Lenihan-dinthepocket" come back and steal from us again.

    He had some cheek to stand up in the Dáil this afternoon and claim An taoiseach's salary was being reduced by 20% and ministerial pay to be reduced by 15%. What a joke, in real terms, beginning in 2010, it's taking a further hit by only 5%. The same amount as a public Sector worker on €30,000 p.a. Absolutely shameful.

    I didn't hear him say a public sector worker on 45,000 a year is taking a pay cut of over 16% in total ........
    he's your boss, if you dont like where you work there are plenty of other options like the rest of us.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭gaeilgebeo


    foxymm wrote: »
    My personal cirscumstance: (As a teacher)
    • 2% Income Levy
    • 1% health Levy
    • 6.9% Pensions Levy
    • 5% on €30,000
    • 7.5% on the remaining €15,000
    Don't patronise me, and don't tell me Public sector workers haven't paid for the mess the Banking and Construction Sectors have left behind, both aligned to the "Private sector". Makes me sick. . .

    When will Mr. "Lenihan-dinthepocket" come back and steal from us again.

    He had some cheek to stand up in the Dáil this afternoon and claim An taoiseach's salary was being reduced by 20% and ministerial pay to be reduced by 15%. What a joke, in real terms, beginning in 2010, it's taking a further hit by only 5%. The same amount as a public Sector worker on €30,000 p.a. Absolutely shameful.

    I didn't hear him say a public sector worker on 45,000 a year is taking a pay cut of over 16% in total ........

    Anyway, off to the North tomorrow evening to spend whatever hard-earned money i've left!!!!

    P.S. Our new cuts are beginning 1st Jan. 2010. You're guaranteed that the shops / pubs in the south will take sometime to reduce VAT rates and Excise rates on Alcohol. And you'll be sure the petrol stations will hike the Petrol prices at the stroke of Midnight tonight. Oh yeah, that's the greedy private sector

    HEAR HEAR!!! Well said.
    Private sector = 0% cut
    Public sector/Average teacher 20% cut

    Taking into account deflation and mortgage relief, the private sector are much better off. They also made it sweetly during the boom times in comparison to us including benefits, perks and add ons.
    Never mind all the qualified teachers in the dole queue who have invested heavily in their chosen careers at a time when the private sector wouldn't sniff at a public sector job!

    Don't buy the spin! We have been badly stung today.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,968 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    foxymm wrote: »
    Don't patronise me, and don't tell me Public sector workers haven't paid for the mess

    Out of interest, do you walk into work fearing you could be made redundant at 30 days notice?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭Ausdubliner


    I think we are being short sighted...isn't the real problem not who pays but why are we here in the first place? Everyone is suffering. This government needs to ensure we don't end up falling over again and not learning from its mistakes. There doesn't appear to be any forward thinking in this country. Any problem is met with the same old solution.
    Why is it reasonable to bail out the banks yet strip classrooms of much needed funds?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭MysticalRain


    ...and after all that, you're probably still overpaid and much better off than in the private sector. My heart bleeds...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭Diarmuid


    When your pay is lower than your private sector counter parts and you pay for your own pension, come back and see if you get some pity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    gaeilgebeo wrote: »
    HEAR HEAR!!! Well said.
    Private sector = 0% cut
    Public sector/Average teacher 20% cut

    Taking into account deflation and mortgage relief, the private sector are much better off. They also made it sweetly during the boom times in comparison to us including benefits, perks and add ons.
    Never mind all the qualified teachers in the dole queue who have invested heavily in their chosen careers at a time when the private sector wouldn't sniff at a public sector job!

    Don't buy the spin! We have been badly stung today.

    Again the Health Levy and Income Levy apply to all (except those exempt for v low income)

    And if your net income has fallen by 20% you were earning a good bit...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭foxymm


    efb wrote: »
    See how much you teaching counterparts earn in Norn Iron and you'll understand why prices are cheaper up there...


    We never seem to hear about the "Norn Iron" motorists who thronged and still continue to throng across to the south to fill up as our Petrol prices are cheaper than theirs and probably will still be cheaper after the Carbon tax.

    I'll save money anyway I can. Now more than ever. If by going North I save, I will go North. Clothes % Food are alot cheaper.

    For example: I purchased a jacket earlier this year in Debenhams in Derry. On the same pricetag it read : UK price £80GPB, IRL Price €120 . . . It came up on my Cr. Card as a Euro Price of €83. A 0.5% VAT reduction will not make up the gap....

    It's domestic economics, it's choice. I'd prefer to have €37 EUR after buying the same jacket. €37 will go along way to paying my household bills and heating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    gaeilgebeo wrote: »
    HEAR HEAR!!! Well said.
    Private sector = 0% cut
    Public sector/Average teacher 20% cut

    Taking into account deflation and mortgage relief, the private sector are much better off. They also made it sweetly during the boom times in comparison to us including benefits, perks and add ons.
    Never mind all the qualified teachers in the dole queue who have invested heavily in their chosen careers at a time when the private sector wouldn't sniff at a public sector job!

    Don't buy the spin! We have been badly stung today.

    You do realise you can come into the private sector any time you feel like it right? unlike the PS it's not jobs for the lads. we'll take anyone.

    come join the party.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    foxymm wrote: »
    We never seem to hear about the "Norn Iron" motorists who thronged and still continue to throng across to the south to fill up as our Petrol prices are cheaper than theirs and probably will still be cheaper after the Carbon tax.

    I'll save money anyway I can. Now more than ever. If by going North I save, I will go North. Clothes % Food are alot cheaper.

    For example: I purchased a jacket earlier this year in Debenhams in Derry. On the same pricetag it read : UK price £80GPB, IRL Price €120 . . . It came up on my Cr. Card as a Euro Price of €83. A 0.5% VAT reduction will not make up the gap....

    It's domestic economics, it's choice. I'd prefer to have €37 EUR after buying the same jacket. €37 will go along way to paying my household bills and heating.


    Why are you telling us all this?

    is this

    you take from me now i take from you!!

    you're teaching our kids?

    really?

    overppaid is not the issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭gaeilgebeo


    mikemac wrote: »
    Out of interest, do you walk into work fearing you could be made redundant at 30 days notice?

    Are you aware of the number of public sector workers who work on a contract basis and who don't have a job when that contract runs out???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    foxymm wrote: »
    We never seem to hear about the "Norn Iron" motorists who thronged and still continue to throng across to the south to fill up as our Petrol prices are cheaper than theirs and probably will still be cheaper after the Carbon tax.

    I'll save money anyway I can. Now more than ever. If by going North I save, I will go North. Clothes % Food are alot cheaper.

    For example: I purchased a jacket earlier this year in Debenhams in Derry. On the same pricetag it read : UK price £80GPB, IRL Price €120 . . . It came up on my Cr. Card as a Euro Price of €83. A 0.5% VAT reduction will not make up the gap....

    It's domestic economics, it's choice. I'd prefer to have €37 EUR after buying the same jacket. €37 will go along way to paying my household bills and heating.

    Are you going to address my point re pay comparison?

    Sure why dont you ryanair it to Latvia and save even more????


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭foxymm


    ntlbell wrote: »
    private sector workers

    income levy.
    health insurance levy

    :o have to pay thier own pensions.

    lost thier jobs

    sitting on the dole

    can't get work.

    dole gets cut

    still can't get work

    I'm sure their hearts bleed.


    Thousand of Public Sector workers, teachers looking for work, nurses looking for work also unemployed due to moratorium in Public service.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    gaeilgebeo wrote: »
    Are you aware of the number of public sector workers who work on a contract basis and who don't have a job when that contract runs out???

    Yes they're usually related to a perm member of staff...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    gaeilgebeo wrote: »
    Are you aware of the number of public sector workers who work on a contract basis and who don't have a job when that contract runs out???


    the same goes for the private sector.

    whats your point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭gaeilgebeo


    efb wrote: »
    Again the Health Levy and Income Levy apply to all (except those exempt for v low income)

    And if your net income has fallen by 20% you were earning a good bit...

    I was? And you would know whatI was earning how exactly??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,125 ✭✭✭eigrod


    This pay cut would be a lot more palatable if it wasn't dictated to us by a party full of absolute thieves and charlatans.

    It makes me sick....

    Galway tent (but as soon as they saw what was coming down the line they closed it)
    builder's friends
    developer's friends
    banker's friends
    racing industry friends
    Tribunals and brown envelopes
    expenses for foreign trips for themselves and families
    backbenchers crying foul with the sole purpose of getting something for their constituency
    Successive Ministers for Sport pumping lottery money back into their own constituency

    We, and our children, are going to be paying for these clowns for decades to come.

    It's sickening that these guys still have a mandate to govern and manage our money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    GDP decline will be around 13%, mid level PS folks will have a pay cut of 14% or so with todays cut and the levy. Give me an example internationally where people in sectors where demand for their services doesn't vary have lost more in the recession than the average?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Mad_Max


    foxymm wrote: »
    Thousand of Public Sector workers, teachers looking for work, nurses looking for work also unemployed due to moratorium in Public service.....

    Couple hundred thousand unemployed due to no jobs in Private sector.

    The us-vs-them argument could go on ad infinitum.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭Ausdubliner


    eigrod wrote: »
    This pay cut would be a lot more palatable if it wasn't dictated to us by a party full of absolute thieves and charlatans.

    It makes me sick....

    Galway tent (but as soon as they saw what was coming down the line they closed it)
    builder's friends
    developer's friends
    banker's friends
    racing industry friends
    Tribunals and brown envelopes
    expenses for foreign trips for themselves and families
    backbenchers crying foul with the sole purpose of getting something for their constituency
    Successive Ministers for Sport pumping lottery money back into their own constituency

    We, and our children, are going to be paying for these clowns for decades to come.

    It's sickening that these guys still have a mandate to govern and manage our money.


    how is this lot constantly re-elected?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭gaeilgebeo


    ntlbell wrote: »
    the same goes for the private sector.

    whats your point.

    You and your "30 days notice" that you're going to lose your job ! Many public sector workers have not had their contracts renewed= no job!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    gaeilgebeo wrote: »
    I was? And you would know whatI was earning how exactly??

    I work in HR, given your deduction you work backwards to get your Gross Pay! Simples!


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