Now, don't tell me the Public sector worker hasn't paid..

foxymm

My personal cirscumstance: (As a teacher)

• 2% Income Levy
• 1% health Levy
• 6.9% Pensions Levy
• 5% on €30,000
• 7.5% on the remaining €15,000

Don't patronise me, and don't tell me Public sector workers haven't paid for the mess the Banking and Construction Sectors have left behind, both aligned to the "Private sector". Makes me sick. . .

When will Mr. "Lenihan-dinthepocket" come back and steal from us again.

He had some cheek to stand up in the Dáil this afternoon and claim An taoiseach's salary was being reduced by 20% and ministerial pay to be reduced by 15%. What a joke, in real terms, beginning in 2010, it's taking a further hit by only 5%. The same amount as a public Sector worker on €30,000 p.a. Absolutely shameful.

I didn't hear him say a public sector worker on 45,000 a year is taking a pay cut of over 16% in total ........

Anyway, off to the North tomorrow evening to spend whatever hard-earned money i've left!!!!

P.S. Our new cuts are beginning 1st Jan. 2010. You're guaranteed that the shops / pubs in the south will take sometime to reduce VAT rates and Excise rates on Alcohol. And you'll be sure the petrol stations will hike the Petrol prices at the stroke of Midnight tonight. Oh yeah, that's the greedy private sector

ntlbell

as your previous boss used to say

"A lot done, more to do"

dvpower

foxymm wrote: »

Anyway, off to the North tomorrow evening to spend whatever hard-earned money i've left!!!!

Yeah. That'll help.

mallet head

foxymm wrote: »

My personal cirscumstance: (As a teacher)

• 2% Income Levy
• 1% health Levy
• 6.9% Pensions Levy
• 5% on €30,000
• 7.5% on the remaining €15,000

Don't patronise me, and don't tell me Public sector workers haven't paid for the mess the Banking and Construction Sectors have left behind, both aligned to the "Private sector". Makes me sick. . .

When will Mr. "Lenihan-dinthepocket" come back and steal from us again.

He had some cheek to stand up in the Dáil this afternoon and claim An taoiseach's salary was being reduced by 20% and ministerial pay to be reduced by 15%. What a joke, in real terms, beginning in 2010, it's taking a further hit by only 5%. The same amount as a public Sector worker on €30,000 p.a. Absolutely shameful.

I didn't hear him say a public sector worker on 45,000 a year is taking a pay cut of over 16% in total ........

Anyway, off to the North tomorrow evening to spend whatever hard-earned money i've left!!!!

P.S. Our new cuts are beginning 1st Jan. 2010. You're guaranteed that the shops / pubs in the south will take sometime to reduce VAT rates and Excise rates on Alcohol. And you'll be sure the petrol stations will hike the Petrol prices at the stroke of Midnight tonight. Oh yeah, that's the greedy private sector

Come back to me when you lose 12% of your number to the dole. They've all taken a 60% percent pay cut.

efb

See how much you teaching counterparts earn in Norn Iron and you'll understand why prices are cheaper up there...

ntlbell

foxymm wrote: »

My personal cirscumstance: (As a teacher)

• 2% Income Levy
• 1% health Levy
• 6.9% Pensions Levy
• 5% on €30,000
• 7.5% on the remaining €15,000

Don't patronise me, and don't tell me Public sector workers haven't paid for the mess the Banking and Construction Sectors have left behind, both aligned to the "Private sector". Makes me sick. . .

When will Mr. "Lenihan-dinthepocket" come back and steal from us again.

He had some cheek to stand up in the Dáil this afternoon and claim An taoiseach's salary was being reduced by 20% and ministerial pay to be reduced by 15%. What a joke, in real terms, beginning in 2010, it's taking a further hit by only 5%. The same amount as a public Sector worker on €30,000 p.a. Absolutely shameful.

I didn't hear him say a public sector worker on 45,000 a year is taking a pay cut of over 16% in total ........

Anyway, off to the North tomorrow evening to spend whatever hard-earned money i've left!!!!

P.S. Our new cuts are beginning 1st Jan. 2010. You're guaranteed that the shops / pubs in the south will take sometime to reduce VAT rates and Excise rates on Alcohol. And you'll be sure the petrol stations will hike the Petrol prices at the stroke of Midnight tonight. Oh yeah, that's the greedy private sector

private sector workers

income levy.
health insurance levy

have to pay thier own pensions.

lost thier jobs

sitting on the dole

can't get work.

dole gets cut

still can't get work

I'm sure their hearts bleed.

ntlbell

foxymm wrote: »

Don't patronise me, and don't tell me Public sector workers haven't paid for the mess the Banking and Construction Sectors have left behind, both aligned to the "Private sector". Makes me sick. . .

have you considered teaching in a country that pays more?

LOL?

_michelle_

everyone needs to play there part & to be honest i think public sector pay should have been cut 9% accross the board (€25000 & under being excluded)
so really get a grip on reality we couldnt continue the way it was :mad:!

Mad_Max

foxymm wrote: »

My personal cirscumstance: (As a teacher)

• 2% Income Levy
• 1% health Levy

Don't patronise me, and don't tell me Public sector workers haven't paid for the mess the Banking and Construction Sectors have left behind, both aligned to the "Private sector". Makes me sick. . .

In fairness don't add these to your arguments, we all pay these.

I kind of agree that we can't say you haven't paid your share now. I don't think anyone would come back next year and say you haven't paid anything.

They may ask to cut it again but they definately wouldn't say you haven't contributed.

lmimmfn

foxymm wrote: »

When will Mr. "Lenihan-dinthepocket" come back and steal from us again.

He had some cheek to stand up in the Dáil this afternoon and claim An taoiseach's salary was being reduced by 20% and ministerial pay to be reduced by 15%. What a joke, in real terms, beginning in 2010, it's taking a further hit by only 5%. The same amount as a public Sector worker on €30,000 p.a. Absolutely shameful.

I didn't hear him say a public sector worker on 45,000 a year is taking a pay cut of over 16% in total ........

he's your boss, if you dont like where you work there are plenty of other options like the rest of us.

gaeilgebeo

foxymm wrote: »

My personal cirscumstance: (As a teacher)

• 2% Income Levy
• 1% health Levy
• 6.9% Pensions Levy
• 5% on €30,000
• 7.5% on the remaining €15,000

Don't patronise me, and don't tell me Public sector workers haven't paid for the mess the Banking and Construction Sectors have left behind, both aligned to the "Private sector". Makes me sick. . .

When will Mr. "Lenihan-dinthepocket" come back and steal from us again.

He had some cheek to stand up in the Dáil this afternoon and claim An taoiseach's salary was being reduced by 20% and ministerial pay to be reduced by 15%. What a joke, in real terms, beginning in 2010, it's taking a further hit by only 5%. The same amount as a public Sector worker on €30,000 p.a. Absolutely shameful.

I didn't hear him say a public sector worker on 45,000 a year is taking a pay cut of over 16% in total ........

Anyway, off to the North tomorrow evening to spend whatever hard-earned money i've left!!!!

P.S. Our new cuts are beginning 1st Jan. 2010. You're guaranteed that the shops / pubs in the south will take sometime to reduce VAT rates and Excise rates on Alcohol. And you'll be sure the petrol stations will hike the Petrol prices at the stroke of Midnight tonight. Oh yeah, that's the greedy private sector

HEAR HEAR!!! Well said.
Private sector = 0% cut
Public sector/Average teacher 20% cut

Taking into account deflation and mortgage relief, the private sector are much better off. They also made it sweetly during the boom times in comparison to us including benefits, perks and add ons.
Never mind all the qualified teachers in the dole queue who have invested heavily in their chosen careers at a time when the private sector wouldn't sniff at a public sector job!

Don't buy the spin! We have been badly stung today.

mikemac

foxymm wrote: »

Don't patronise me, and don't tell me Public sector workers haven't paid for the mess

Out of interest, do you walk into work fearing you could be made redundant at 30 days notice?

Ausdubliner

I think we are being short sighted...isn't the real problem not who pays but why are we here in the first place? Everyone is suffering. This government needs to ensure we don't end up falling over again and not learning from its mistakes. There doesn't appear to be any forward thinking in this country. Any problem is met with the same old solution.
Why is it reasonable to bail out the banks yet strip classrooms of much needed funds?

MysticalRain

...and after all that, you're probably still overpaid and much better off than in the private sector. My heart bleeds...

Diarmuid

When your pay is lower than your private sector counter parts and you pay for your own pension, come back and see if you get some pity.

efb

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

HEAR HEAR!!! Well said.
Private sector = 0% cut
Public sector/Average teacher 20% cut

Taking into account deflation and mortgage relief, the private sector are much better off. They also made it sweetly during the boom times in comparison to us including benefits, perks and add ons.
Never mind all the qualified teachers in the dole queue who have invested heavily in their chosen careers at a time when the private sector wouldn't sniff at a public sector job!

Don't buy the spin! We have been badly stung today.

Again the Health Levy and Income Levy apply to all (except those exempt for v low income)

And if your net income has fallen by 20% you were earning a good bit...

foxymm

efb wrote: »

See how much you teaching counterparts earn in Norn Iron and you'll understand why prices are cheaper up there...

We never seem to hear about the "Norn Iron" motorists who thronged and still continue to throng across to the south to fill up as our Petrol prices are cheaper than theirs and probably will still be cheaper after the Carbon tax.

I'll save money anyway I can. Now more than ever. If by going North I save, I will go North. Clothes % Food are alot cheaper.

For example: I purchased a jacket earlier this year in Debenhams in Derry. On the same pricetag it read : UK price £80GPB, IRL Price €120 . . . It came up on my Cr. Card as a Euro Price of €83. A 0.5% VAT reduction will not make up the gap....

It's domestic economics, it's choice. I'd prefer to have €37 EUR after buying the same jacket. €37 will go along way to paying my household bills and heating.

ntlbell

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

HEAR HEAR!!! Well said.
Private sector = 0% cut
Public sector/Average teacher 20% cut

Taking into account deflation and mortgage relief, the private sector are much better off. They also made it sweetly during the boom times in comparison to us including benefits, perks and add ons.
Never mind all the qualified teachers in the dole queue who have invested heavily in their chosen careers at a time when the private sector wouldn't sniff at a public sector job!

Don't buy the spin! We have been badly stung today.

You do realise you can come into the private sector any time you feel like it right? unlike the PS it's not jobs for the lads. we'll take anyone.

come join the party.

ntlbell

foxymm wrote: »

We never seem to hear about the "Norn Iron" motorists who thronged and still continue to throng across to the south to fill up as our Petrol prices are cheaper than theirs and probably will still be cheaper after the Carbon tax.

I'll save money anyway I can. Now more than ever. If by going North I save, I will go North. Clothes % Food are alot cheaper.

For example: I purchased a jacket earlier this year in Debenhams in Derry. On the same pricetag it read : UK price £80GPB, IRL Price €120 . . . It came up on my Cr. Card as a Euro Price of €83. A 0.5% VAT reduction will not make up the gap....

It's domestic economics, it's choice. I'd prefer to have €37 EUR after buying the same jacket. €37 will go along way to paying my household bills and heating.

Why are you telling us all this?

is this

you take from me now i take from you!!

you're teaching our kids?

really?

overppaid is not the issue.

gaeilgebeo

mikemac wrote: »

Out of interest, do you walk into work fearing you could be made redundant at 30 days notice?

Are you aware of the number of public sector workers who work on a contract basis and who don't have a job when that contract runs out???

efb

foxymm wrote: »

We never seem to hear about the "Norn Iron" motorists who thronged and still continue to throng across to the south to fill up as our Petrol prices are cheaper than theirs and probably will still be cheaper after the Carbon tax.

I'll save money anyway I can. Now more than ever. If by going North I save, I will go North. Clothes % Food are alot cheaper.

For example: I purchased a jacket earlier this year in Debenhams in Derry. On the same pricetag it read : UK price £80GPB, IRL Price €120 . . . It came up on my Cr. Card as a Euro Price of €83. A 0.5% VAT reduction will not make up the gap....

It's domestic economics, it's choice. I'd prefer to have €37 EUR after buying the same jacket. €37 will go along way to paying my household bills and heating.

Are you going to address my point re pay comparison?

Sure why dont you ryanair it to Latvia and save even more????

foxymm

ntlbell wrote: »

private sector workers

income levy.
health insurance levy

have to pay thier own pensions.

lost thier jobs

sitting on the dole

can't get work.

dole gets cut

still can't get work

I'm sure their hearts bleed.

Thousand of Public Sector workers, teachers looking for work, nurses looking for work also unemployed due to moratorium in Public service.....

efb

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

Are you aware of the number of public sector workers who work on a contract basis and who don't have a job when that contract runs out???

Yes they're usually related to a perm member of staff...

ntlbell

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

Are you aware of the number of public sector workers who work on a contract basis and who don't have a job when that contract runs out???

the same goes for the private sector.

whats your point.

gaeilgebeo

efb wrote: »

Again the Health Levy and Income Levy apply to all (except those exempt for v low income)

And if your net income has fallen by 20% you were earning a good bit...

I was? And you would know whatI was earning how exactly??

eigrod

This pay cut would be a lot more palatable if it wasn't dictated to us by a party full of absolute thieves and charlatans.

It makes me sick....

Galway tent (but as soon as they saw what was coming down the line they closed it)
builder's friends
developer's friends
banker's friends
racing industry friends
Tribunals and brown envelopes
expenses for foreign trips for themselves and families
backbenchers crying foul with the sole purpose of getting something for their constituency
Successive Ministers for Sport pumping lottery money back into their own constituency

We, and our children, are going to be paying for these clowns for decades to come.

It's sickening that these guys still have a mandate to govern and manage our money.

ardmacha

GDP decline will be around 13%, mid level PS folks will have a pay cut of 14% or so with todays cut and the levy. Give me an example internationally where people in sectors where demand for their services doesn't vary have lost more in the recession than the average?

Mad_Max

foxymm wrote: »

Thousand of Public Sector workers, teachers looking for work, nurses looking for work also unemployed due to moratorium in Public service.....

Couple hundred thousand unemployed due to no jobs in Private sector.

The us-vs-them argument could go on ad infinitum.

Ausdubliner

eigrod wrote: »

This pay cut would be a lot more palatable if it wasn't dictated to us by a party full of absolute thieves and charlatans.

It makes me sick....

Galway tent (but as soon as they saw what was coming down the line they closed it)
builder's friends
developer's friends
banker's friends
racing industry friends
Tribunals and brown envelopes
expenses for foreign trips for themselves and families
backbenchers crying foul with the sole purpose of getting something for their constituency
Successive Ministers for Sport pumping lottery money back into their own constituency

We, and our children, are going to be paying for these clowns for decades to come.

It's sickening that these guys still have a mandate to govern and manage our money.

how is this lot constantly re-elected?

gaeilgebeo

ntlbell wrote: »

the same goes for the private sector.

whats your point.

You and your "30 days notice" that you're going to lose your job ! Many public sector workers have not had their contracts renewed= no job!

efb

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

I was? And you would know whatI was earning how exactly??

I work in HR, given your deduction you work backwards to get your Gross Pay! Simples!

ntlbell

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

You and your "30 days notice" that you're going to lose your job ! Many public sector workers have not had their contracts renewed= no job!

the same goes for private sector contractors.

what's your point.

eigrod

Ausdubliner wrote: »

how is this lot constantly re-elected?

Indeed. And watch them gain on the polls now again as everyone jumps back on to the FF bandwagon because the charade goes on that they are taking on the Unions and making the tough decisions. People have very short memories.

gaeilgebeo

efb wrote: »

Yes they're usually related to a perm member of staff...

Wrong!

efb

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

Wrong!

I know quite a lot of circumstances where this is the case

Ausdubliner

ntlbell wrote: »

the same goes for private sector contractors.

what's your point.

that's the problem...why is it us vs them...it should be all vs governments/banks/construction industry

sonic.trip

at least you have a job, about time we reformed the public sector

Ausdubliner

eigrod wrote: »

Indeed. And watch them gain on the polls now again as everyone jumps back on to the FF bandwagon because the charade goes on that they are taking on the Unions and making the tough decisions. People have very short memories.

I find it amazing people can be manipulated by such a hopeless government.

foxymm

mikemac wrote: »

Out of interest, do you walk into work fearing you could be made redundant at 30 days notice?

After spending 4 years at Uni, It was my personal choice to choose teaching as a career, that being a career in the public service - My choice. That being a Safe job - My choice. Public Sector - Great job during the bad times, "You do what??" during the boom times.

I Love the job all the same.

View

foxymm wrote: »

• 6.9% Pensions Levy

The pensions levy is to pay for your pension. It isn't a pay cut as it doesn't impact your Gross (pre-tax) salary.

If you don't like paying it, the Teacher's Unions can always ask that the Government scrap your existing pensions arrangement and allow you all to try and find its equivalent from a private pensions provider.

gaeilgebeo

ntlbell wrote: »

the same goes for private sector contractors.

what's your point.

Read back over your posts. I was responding to your point. Whats with the constant repeating yourself?!

ntlbell

Ausdubliner wrote: »

that's the problem...why is it us vs them...it should be all vs governments/banks/construction industry

it's not us vs them the OP harped on about the private sector.

I'm just pointing out both are suffering.

it shouldn't be us vs them.

oldyouth

Mr Teacher. I will agree that you will have paid your share, if you accept these cuts and get on with what you are employed to do and not strike.

Also, what do teachers call themselves when they take private sector jobs during June, July and August while drawing their teacher's salary? Public Servant or Private Sector Fat Cat like me?

CorkJack

foxymm wrote: »

We never seem to hear about the "Norn Iron" motorists who thronged and still continue to throng across to the south to fill up as our Petrol prices are cheaper than theirs and probably will still be cheaper after the Carbon tax.

I'll save money anyway I can. Now more than ever. If by going North I save, I will go North. Clothes % Food are alot cheaper.

For example: I purchased a jacket earlier this year in Debenhams in Derry. On the same pricetag it read : UK price £80GPB, IRL Price €120 . . . It came up on my Cr. Card as a Euro Price of €83. A 0.5% VAT reduction will not make up the gap....

It's domestic economics, it's choice. I'd prefer to have €37 EUR after buying the same jacket. €37 will go along way to paying my household bills and heating.

Buy a warmer Jacket and you even save more

ntlbell

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

Read back over your posts. I was responding to your point. Whats with the constant repeating yourself?!

becase your not making one?

public sector workers PERMANENT ones.

have a secure job.

great pension.

etc etc

private sector PERMANENT have no job security, are being let go left right and centre going to 3 day weeks and taken HUGE pay cuts some 30%+

private sector contracters are losing their jobs

public sector contracters are losing their jobs

WHATS YOUR POINT

dvpower

gaeilgebeo wrote: »

HEAR HEAR!!! Well said.
Private sector = 0% cut
Public sector/Average teacher 20% cut

What's the point?

Don't Public sector workers work for the state? And isn't the state broke? So naturally enough, your employer has to make cuts.

Same for Private sector workers. Those who work for companies who are broke are taking pay cuts or, worse, redundancies.
Those who work for companies who are doing OK will not have to take pay cuts or suffer redundancies.

Pretty simple really. I don't understand why people insist on making comparisons.

MI5

foxymm wrote: »

Thousand of Public Sector workers, teachers looking for work, nurses looking for work also unemployed due to moratorium in Public service.....

Of course there are no teachers making a buck in the private sector. And an untaxed buck at that. Oh no:rolleyes::rolleyes:. They wouldnt consider a bit of grind teaching now would they.
Then there is the exam correcting extra income.

And then there is the incredible holidays.
Bad teachers are virtually unsackable, preventing young eager teachers getting a job. Why in hell don't the teaching unions face up to that reality.

So overall, yes you are now seeing the sharp end of a contracting economy which you speak about, BUT there is another side to your profession which cushions you from the threats those of us in the private sector see on a daily basis.

Can you understand why we don't have too much sympathy?

Ausdubliner

ntlbell wrote: »

it's not us vs them the OP harped on about the private sector.

I'm just pointing out both are suffering.

it shouldn't be us vs them.

I think anyone in their right mind can see everyone is suffering whether they be public or private. I am still astonished that a country can let this happen to itself.

Ausdubliner

oldyouth wrote: »

Mr Teacher. I will agree that you will have paid your share, if you accept these cuts and get on with what you are employed to do and not strike.

Also, what do teachers call themselves when they take private sector jobs during June, July and August while drawing their teacher's salary? Public Servant or Private Sector Fat Cat like me?

I don't know anyone working in the private sector in June july or august unless they are a contracted teacher.

gaeilgebeo

foxymm wrote: »

After spending 4 years at Uni, It was my personal choice to choose teaching as a career, that being a career in the public service - My choice. That being a Safe job - My choice. Public Sector - Great job during the bad times, "You do what??" during the boom times.

I Love the job all the same.

Wow! Couldn't have put it better myself. Oh how the bitter private sector would only love our jobs now, but sure slate us instead. Sour grapes at its best . Like you, despite all the cuts, I LOVE my job.:)

foxymm

sonic.trip wrote: »

at least you have a job, about time we reformed the public sector

Before, i thought twice about telling people I have a job. Now, I will tell them I have a job and that I've contributed 16% of my pay to get us out of the mess the private sector [banks / construction ] has left us in. I pay tax, PRSI that contributes to social welfare spending etc.

Reform?? Unions won't agree to that now. Don't think the one-day strikes will work. It's the stick to beat the govt. with now