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Power Supply Unit's (PSU's)

  • 08-12-2009 12:34pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭


    I have noticed an awful lot of questions (which is common across all tech boards) on PSU recommendations.

    I'd like (if I may) to post a post I had originally posted some time ago on another site which I had taken information from various sources in relation to PSU's & recommendations.

    This is quite an extensive list (but may not include every supply, so if yours isn't there, don't worry!), and I do need to update it, but it should at least give forum members idea's in relation to the best brands and ranges that your hard earned money can buy in relation to PSU's.

    Hopefully the mods don't kill me for posting an extensive list of recommendations! And hopefully it will be of help to members :)

    My original post can be found here:
    http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/66076/

    But I shall copy the info here, so as not to attract users to another site for no reason.

    I have given credit & links to other sites which I have used to compile this information, and I would encourage users to visit their sites also.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    *taken from jonnyguru's site, many thanks to him for the hard work.
    http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103

    If anyone has any questions, please go to JonnyGuru's forums linked to herein. He did the work, so he and other experienced members there can answer your questions.

    Please visit his site for the most up-to-date lists.


    High end PSU recommendations

    Recommendations are made on a model by model or product line by product line basis since many companies make such a wide range of product, it is difficult to say things like "Brand X excellent PSU's" or "Brand Y sucks."

    FYI: The power supplies listed are in no particular order within each tier.

    Tier 1:

    PC Power and Cooling Turbo-Cool product line
    Built like a server PSU, but with the home user also in mind
    Zero ripple
    Louder than a leaf blower
    1kW is SLI certified
    1kW is Crossfire certified
    850W is SLI certified
    5 year warranty

    Etasis Gaming Power product line
    Server grade
    Fairly quiet for PSU's with 80MM fans
    ET-750 and ET-850 are both SLI certified
    3 year warranty

    Silverstone Zeus and Nightjar product line
    Based on Etasis units, a company known for server grade PSU's
    Not very loud, even when outfitted with 80MM fans.
    Often sleeved cables, etc. Geared more towards the enthusiast than other server grade PSU's.
    ST85ZF is Crossfire certified
    ST75ZF is SLI certified
    ST56ZF is SLI certified
    3 year warranty

    Zippy GSM and PSL product line
    Typically server power supplies and can be loud
    PSL model has 40MM fan which has a high pitched sound when running
    There is a "gaming" product line that offers all of the necessary connectors for almost any high end gaming rig, a nicer finish and has a much quieter fan than the server models.
    Crossfire certified
    PSL-6850P(G1) is SLI certified
    3 year warranty

    Tier 2:

    Enermax Galaxy product lineLots of power
    Semi-Modular
    Very quiet
    Very efficient
    Crossfire certified
    SLI certified
    3 year warranty

    Enermax Infiniti product line
    Semi-Modular
    Very quiet
    Very efficient
    Crossfire certified
    SLI certified
    80 Plus certified
    3 year warranty

    Andyson's server line (recognized by dual 80MM fans) and high-efficiency line (recognized by single 130MM fan.)
    Extremely affordable
    Solid performance and quality components
    High efficiency models are 84% typical and very quiet
    Not commonly found in U.S. or E.U.
    End user warranty unknown

    Hiper Type-M 670 and 730W and Type-R 730W
    Based on server grade Andyson AD-800 units
    3 year warranty
    Ultra X-Finity and X-Pro 800W
    Based on server grade Andyson AD-800 units
    3 year warranty/Lifetime with product registration

    Ultra X3 800W & 1000W
    Based on Andyson AD-800
    Quiet and efficient
    Cooled w/ 135MM fan
    3 year warranty/Lifetime with product registration

    Silverstone Olympia OP1000
    Uses SevenTeam 1kW server platform
    Very stable power
    80A continuous power on a single 12V rail
    Single, rear mounted 80MM fan can be loud
    SLI certified
    3 year warranty

    Thermaltake Toughpower 1000W & 1200W product line
    Built by CWT, but without all of the Fuhjyyu capacitors
    Capable of outputing nearly 100% of it's capability on the +12V rail
    Very efficient
    Cooled w/ 140MM fan
    Modular
    5 year warranty

    Tier 3:

    Silverstone Olympia OP650, OP750 & OP850 and Decathalon DA650, DA750 & DA850
    Design by Impervio Electronics Co.
    Built in Taiwan
    Quiet and efficient

    Antec True Power Quattro product lines
    Built by Enhance
    Very good voltage regulation
    Very efficient at loads > 20%
    Very quiet, despite the 80MM fan solution
    Modular
    Fully sleeved cables
    Crossfire certified
    3 year warranty

    Cooler Master Real Power Pro 1000W
    Built by Enhance
    Very good voltage regulation
    Very efficient
    Very quiet
    Fully sleeved cables
    SLI certified
    5 year warranty

    Seasonic S12 and M12 product linesVery good voltage regulation
    Very efficient
    Very quiet
    M12 series is modular
    Crossfire certified
    S12 650W is SLI certified
    3 year warranty

    Corsair product line
    Based on Seasonic or Channel Well platforms
    Very efficient
    Very quiet
    All high-temp rated Japanese caps
    HX620W is SLI certified
    5 year warranty

    PC Power and Cooling Silencer product line
    Based on same platform and component quality as Seasonic S/M12
    750W is SLI certified
    3 year warranty

    Coolmax Greenpower product line
    Based on ATNG server platform
    A little on the loud side
    Crossfire certified
    3 year warranty

    SevenTeam SSI EPS 12V 2.91 Series and "Fanless" product lines
    Strong regulation
    Efficient and quiet, despite being based on a server platform
    Good price, but rarely available in the U.S.
    2 year warranty

    MGE/XG Duro and Magnum
    Based on SevenTeam's higher end units
    Lifetime Warranty

    Tier 4:

    Enhance products up to 750W
    Efficient and quiet
    Very affordable
    Often does not come with sleeved cables
    Only 1 year warranty

    Silverstone Element product line and Strider ST60F and ST75F product
    Based on Enhance's higher end products
    3 year warranty on PSU's > 500W. All others are only 1 year warranty

    Xclio Stablepower product line
    Based on Enhance's ENP 850W and 1000W products
    Cooled by quieter 140MM fan (as opposed to pair of 80's)
    2 year warranty

    Antec Trio/NeoHE/EarthWatts product line
    Built by Seasonic, but not the same build quality as above Seasonics
    NeoHE is modular
    Trio 650W is SLI certified
    NeoHE 550W is Crossfire certified
    5 year warranty

    FSP Epsilon product line
    Compact size
    Fairly efficient and quiet
    Notable ripple issue
    Inexpensive
    Crossfire certified
    700W is SLI certified

    OCZ GameXstrem product line
    Based on FSP Epsilon mentioned above
    3 year warranty
    AOpen AO700-ALN
    Based on FSP Epsilon mentioned above
    Only 1 year warranty

    Thermaltake Toughpower < 1000W product line
    Built by CWT, but without all of the Fuhjyyu capacitors
    550W is Crossfire certified
    600W, 700W and 750W are Crossfire certified and SLI certified
    750W is modular
    5 year warranty

    Xclio GreatPower product line
    Supposedly same construction as Toughpower (??? need confirmation)
    650W, 700W and 750W are SLI certified
    2 year warranty

    Enermax Liberty 620W
    Excellent voltage regulation
    Modular
    Very quiet
    Crossfire certified
    Only 1 year warranty
    Bumped down to tier 4 due to a number of reports of failure in the line of duty

    And before you nimrods start whining about why your beloved OCZ only made tier 4... this is four tiers of HIGH END products. If the product isn't even on the list, it could be that I either don't know about it or it's not considered high end. So if your PSU is actually in teir 4, grab your e-Peen and know that you at least made the worst of the best.

    Of course, there's always more to be added later.....

    And, before you ask, there's not enough data about the 1000W or 1010W FSP built units for me to make a judgement call so don't ask. Unlike some sites, I don't go "oh goody! Silverstone has a new PSU!!! Let's make it tier 1" without actually testing it. Sorry.

    http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1460

    High efficiency, suitable for SLI/Crossfire:

    Antec EarthWatts 500W
    Seasonic OEM
    Claims to have two +12V rails, but actually only has one (34A)
    Suitable for SLI and Crossfire (not necessarily G80 or R600 and up)

    Antec True Power Trio 550W
    Seasonic OEM
    Claims to have three +12V rails, but actually only has one (42A)
    Suitable for lower end SLI and Crossfire

    Antec True Power Trio 650W
    Seasonic OEM
    Claims to have three +12V rails, but actually only has one (52A)
    Suitable for lower end SLI and Crossfire

    Corsair HX520W
    Modular
    Seasonic OEM
    Claims to have three +12V rails, but actually only has one (40A)
    Suitable for lower end SLI and Crossfire

    Corsair HX620W
    Modular
    Seasonic OEM
    Claims to have three +12V rails, but actually only has one (50A)
    Suitable for lower end SLI and Crossfire

    Seasonic M12 500W
    Modular
    Claims to have four +12V rails, but actually only has one (38A)
    Suitable for lower end SLI and Crossfire

    Seasonic S12 650W
    Has four +12V rails (52A combined)
    Suitable for lower end SLI and Crossfire

    Cooler Master iGreen RS-600-ASAA
    Acbel Polytech OEM
    Three +12V rails (38A combined)
    Suitable for lower end SLI and Crossfire

    Ultra X-Pro 600W
    Andyson OEM
    Single +12V rail (36A)
    Suitable for lower end SLI and Crossfire

    Tagan TG600-U25
    Topower OEM
    Four +12V rails (48A combined)
    Suitable for lower end SLI and Crossfire

    Tagan TG600-U35
    Topower OEM
    Same as "U25" version, but with 135MM cooling fan
    Four +12V rails (48A combined)
    Suitable for lower end SLI and Crossfire

    Silverstone Olympia OP650
    Single +12V rail (54A)
    Suitable for lower end SLI and Crossfire

    Silverstone Olympia OP750
    Single +12V rail (60A)
    Suitable for lower end SLI and Crossfire

    Zalman ZM600-HP
    FSP OEM
    Four +12V rails (42A combined)
    Suitable for lower end SLI and Crossfire
    High efficiency, but not recommended for higher end SLI/Crossfire due to 240VA limited rails:

    Seasonic S12-600
    Supposedly has two +12V rails (18A each, 36A combined)
    Suitable for ANY single video card
    Not recommended for SLI until someone can confirm that the two +12V rails is actually just one.

    Enhance ENP-5150GH
    Has two +12V rails (18A each, 36A combined)
    Suitable for ANY single video card

    SilverStone Element ST50EF-Plus
    Enhance OEM
    Has two +12V rails (18A each, 36A combined)
    Suitable for ANY single video card

    Cooler Master iGreen RS-500-ASAA
    Acbel Polytech OEM
    Has three +12V rails (6A, 13A, 14A, 33A combined)
    Suitable for ANY single video card
    Suggestions welcome!

    Criteria:

    At least 30A on the combined +12V rail
    Confirmed 80% and better efficiency

    For SLI/Crossfire recommendation, needs to have at least 34A on the combined +12V rail and have either just one +12V rail or three or more


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Further reading:
    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108088
    Many thanks to Perkam of Xtremesystems for the list.

    This should give you a quick reference of what to buy, and what not to buy. Some more units than listed above, but most info taken from JonnyGuru.
    WHICH ONES TO BUY ??

    Tier 1 can handle 4Ghz Conroe or 3Ghz AMD along with Oced Quad Crossfire/SLI With Ease.
    Tier Z offers quality and power unequalled in its wattage range and is second only to other Zippy units.
    Tier 2 offers almost as much power and stability as Tier 1 at Comparable Wattage levels with lower price/better availability.
    Tier T offers the high quality components of Tier 2 with slightly less Rail stability due to Topower internals.
    Tier 3 is ONLY Recommended if Price difference is present between Tier 3 and Tier 2 or due to availability issues with Tier 1/2 PSUs.
    Tier 4 is recommended for stock or low power systems if Tier 3's are more expensive or are not available.
    Tier 5 are NOT RECOMMENDED, but some brands have high/medium quality components in Tiers 2 through 4.

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    Tier 1 Brands - The Most Powerful And Stable Components On The Market
    Enermax Galaxy
    PCP&C TurboCool
    PCP&C Silencer >610
    Zippy/Emacs SSL
    Zippy/Emacs GSM
    Zippy/Emacs PSL
    Silverstone ZF (Etasis 85/75/56)
    Seventeam ST >600 (SSI, V2.91)
    Silverstone OP/DA >700W

    Tier Z - Less Powerful Than Tier 1 Zippy Units...but they're still Zippys
    Zippy/Emacs HG2
    Zippy/Emacs HP2

    Tier 2 Brands - Top Quality components With Top Notch Stability - For Those With Price/Availability Issues With Tier 1
    Antec Neo HE
    Akasa PowerGreen 80+
    CoolMax CTG-750W/850W/1KW
    Cooltek CT
    Corsair HX
    Enermax Liberty
    Enermax Infiniti
    Enhance ENP-GH
    Fortron (FSP) GLN
    Hiper Type-M >650W
    Hiper Type-R >650W
    iStarUSA PD2
    iStarUSA PD3
    OCZ GameXStream
    OCZ EvoStream
    PCP&C Silencer <610
    Seasonic S12
    Seasonic M12
    Seasonic Energy Plus
    SevenTeam ST <600
    Silverstone EF
    Silverstone OP/DA <700W
    Supermicro/AbleCom
    Thermaltake Toughpower >600W
    Xclio GreatPower
    Zalman ZM
    Ultra X3
    Ultra X-Pro

    Tier T - High Quality PSUs Made With Topower Internals - Less Rail Stability Compared To Tier 2 But Still Better than Tier 3
    Mushkin Enhanced
    Tagan U95
    Tagan U25
    Tagan U15
    Tagan U22
    OCZ PowerStream

    Tier 3 Brands - High Quality and Stability, Second Only To Tier 2 Brands
    Acbel Polycom
    AMS Mercury
    Akasa PaxPower
    Akasa PowerPlus (>500W Models)
    Antec Phantom
    Antec TruePower III
    Antec True Power II
    Antec True Control II
    Antec Neopower 480W (Old Model)
    Antec Smart Power 2.0
    Athena Power Space Shuttle Series
    Be Quiet Dark Power Pro
    Channel Well
    Enermax Maximum Plus
    Enermax Noistaker II
    Enermax Noisetaker
    Enermax Whisper II
    Enermax CoolerGiant
    Enhance ENS-G
    Epower Xscale
    Fortron (FSP) GLC
    Fortron (FSP) THN
    Fortron AX
    Fortron HLN
    Fortron PFN/PN/PA
    Seasonic Super Versatile
    Silverstone F
    Sparkle FSP
    Spire Rocketeer V/VI
    Sunbeam Nuuo
    Thermaltake Purepower
    Thermaltake Toughpower <600W

    Tier 4 - Not Recommend With Tier 3 In same Price/Wattage Range
    Aerocool
    Asus Atlas
    BFG
    Coolermaster Real Power
    Coolermaster iGreen
    Delta
    Enlight
    E-Power
    Futurepower
    Hiper
    HIPRO
    Lite-On
    Masscool
    MGE XG
    Mushkin HP
    NorthQ 4775-500S/BU
    OCZ Modstream
    Scythe Kamariki
    Sintek
    Thermaltake TR2
    TTGI/Superflower
    Ultra Xfinity/X2

    Tier 5 - Other than the units listed above for any of these brands, NOT RECOMMENDED
    A-TOP Technology
    APEX (SUPERCASE/ALLIED)
    Aspire(Turbo Case)
    ATADC
    Athena Power
    ATRIX
    Broadway Com Corp
    Cooler Master
    Coolmax
    Deer
    Diablotek
    Dynapower USA
    EagleTech
    FOXCONN
    I-Star Computer Co. Ltd
    In Win
    JPAC COMPUTER
    Just PC
    Kingwin Inc.
    Linkworld Electronics
    Logisys Computer
    MGE
    MSI
    NMEDIAPC
    Norwood Micro/ CompUSA
    NorthQ
    NZXT
    Powmax
    Q-Tec
    Raidmax
    Rosewill
    SFC
    Shuttle
    Skyhawk
    Spire Coolers
    Star Micro
    STARTECH
    TOPOWER TOP
    Ultra X-Connect
    Wintech
    XClio
    XION
    YoungYear
    Zebronics

    x
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 680 ✭✭✭Leman_Russ


    Only two things wrong I can see.

    One is the omition of the Corsair TX series. Yeah, they are nor modular, but damn good power supplies, if not as good as the HX because of their multi rail format. Should be under Teir T at least.

    Also it is perfectly acceptable to say Seasonic make good PSUs. Even jonnyguru says so :P
    In looking at the low load test results, I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't have put a big red warning logo above it to warn you to sit down first. I heard crashing noises - I hope you guys are ok. Personally, I was already sitting down when I did the math for this table, else I'd be in the hospital right now. There just isn't room for a six and a half foot tall guy to fall safely in this room and not take serious injury.
    Avert your eyes! The above shots are too awesome for human eyesight to tolerate! Yes, folks, this here Seasonic platform has decided to out-awesome just about everything I've tested to date.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Hi Leman_Russ - I believe the statement was made in order to not let people assume that any PSU manufacturer is always 'good' or always 'bad'.

    Yes, Seasonic units are generally extremely well performing units. And I have in fact, never heard of anybody complain of one, or have to return one.

    Seasonic was probably a bad example to use! (I shall edit lol)

    IN relation to the Corsair TX units, they are not modular - I wouldn't hold that against them though! But the list does not intend to include every range of PSU for sale, as I'd be here all day updating it! But I do indeed intend to update the list, to try keep it as contemporary as is possible.

    I'll see if I can get some more info on the TX units, and update the list accordingly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭Effluo


    Nearly all posters on this forum looking for advice firstly, don't have a clue about anything to do with what kind of wattage their pc might need.

    Generalising what certain psu's can be used for such as "suitable for xfire/sli" is dangerous and really IMO the best advice for anyone in the market for a new psu is "op specific"(if you know what i mean).

    Is this just supposed to be a big page for referencing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Effluo wrote: »
    Nearly all posters on this forum looking for advice firstly, don't have a clue about anything to do with what kind of wattage their pc might need.

    Generalising what certain psu's can be used for such as "suitable for xfire/sli" is dangerous and really IMO the best advice for anyone in the market for a new psu is "op specific"(if you know what i mean).

    Is this just supposed to be a big page for referencing?

    For a start, the posts references the PSU certification, if you actually look under each model you would see that.

    If someone comes looking for a PSU, at the very least the list provides recommended models and manufacturers.

    PSU can indeed be generalised, contrary to your post. They all do the exact same thing - provide power to your PC. However, if you're looking to power 2xHD5890's in Crossfire, I think you'd already know that a 500W unit is not going to suffice.

    It would be impossible to provide a list and post exactly what spec system each PSU would be suitable for - so please get off your high horse and stop being so pedantic.


    There is nothing dangerous about this thread lol

    For instance, if someone posts looking for advice on a PSU, they could be informed that a 650W PSU will suffice, and they could then reference this thread for a few recommended models in that range, and pick one that they can purchase locally / online etc

    Obviously, not all of these PSU's are going to be available everywhere.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    I think in general the opposite is the main problem though. ie. 'I have ordered a HD4670 and an AMD 550 BE X2, Is this Antec 1200W psu enough?' :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    marco_polo wrote: »
    I think in general the opposite is the main problem though. ie. 'I have ordered a HD4670 and an AMD 550 BE X2, Is this Antec 1200W psu enough?' :)

    lol yeah.

    Power requirements are so inflated these days its not even funny.

    i7 overclocked + 4gb ram + 2 HDD's + HD5870 overclocked etc would probably not break 450W loaded. However, a little extra is always good.

    Personally, I'd never really recommend anything below 550W these days - there's no real point. You can get really good units around that wattage for good prices these days.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,381 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    Oh God... I'm going to break his likkle heart... guys, think I'll need some help breaking it to him gently... :o

    I'm afraid you've been left out in the cold
    For this list has already been told

    Grim Post-Ironic Tip Of The Day: Check dates in thread before linking. You don't want to waste years of your life getting together a huge big reference list that's, say, several years old.

    Sorry. :o


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    You should really read the first post dude. Seriously.

    And exactly how would it be breaking my heart?

    Grim Post-Ironic Tip Of The Day 2: Read the thread before making stupid comments.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 680 ✭✭✭Leman_Russ


    You should really read the first post dude. Seriously.

    And exactly how would it be breaking my heart?

    Grim Post-Ironic Tip Of The Day 2: Read the thread before making stupid comments.

    Grim Post-Ironic Tip Of The Day 3: Picking Fights with SuperMods is not a good Idea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Leman_Russ wrote: »
    Grim Post-Ironic Tip Of The Day 3: Picking Fights with SuperMods is not a good Idea.

    SuperMod? lol

    Does he wear his knickers on the outside?

    And in fairness, mod or no mod, nobody should be coming in a attempting to ruin a thread for no good reason.

    In fact - this should apply even more-so to mods.

    This thread was provided as a reference, and already 2 posters have already tried to ruin for no good reason. Because I'm maybe not known as much on this forum?? Hmm, probably...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭Effluo


    However, if you're looking to power 2xHD5970's in Crossfire, I think you'd already know that a 500W unit is not going to suffice.
    Most people on this wouldn't have the foggiest
    It would be impossible to provide a list and post exactly what spec system each PSU would be suitable for -
    Of course it would be
    so please get off your high horse and stop being so pedantic.

    I am firmly placed on the ground and the fact is that maybe on more "Tech orientated" forums it is common knowledge that two 5970's in xfire would require a better psu than 500watts, but here that cannot be taken for granted.

    A lot of people comment on this forum that it's a better environment for the complete technophob than most other Computer forums on the net. Due to the fact that we presume the op knows nothing about computers.



    Grim Post-Ironic Tip Of The Day 4: Kinda funny how you called me pedantic after posting such an in depth article :D


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,381 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    I apologise for that first post. I was being irreverent but currently being in a ****ing warzone here ( :mad: ) I ended up posting something that everyone interpreted as an attack; not my intent. My bad :o

    Having said that, I do have issues...
    You should really read the first post dude. Seriously.

    I read and re-read the topic. Nothing in there about how old and misleading some bits of it are. Not your fault - the PSU OEMs have changed dramatically since it was made! - but that highlights the issue that it could convince people "Ultra Good, Corsair Bad!" when the very opposite is true and Ultra somehow managed to make roughly one decent PSU before retiring and becoming PITA patent-trolls :rolleyes:
    And exactly how would it be breaking my heart?

    Because it looked impressive - I thought you put some effort into it! :D
    Grim Post-Ironic Tip Of The Day 2: Read the thread before making stupid comments.

    Ow. That's a bit unfair. And I'm not criticising you or the concept. Its just missing so much relevant, recent, info... :(
    Does he wear his knickers on the outside?

    HEY! STOP STALKING ME!!1! AND TAKE DOWN THAT GODDAMN WEBCAM!! :eek:
    And in fairness, mod or no mod, nobody should be coming in a attempting to ruin a thread for no good reason.

    But I wasn't intending to, and if I didn't point out the whole "old" bit someone would... I'm hoping you wouldn't react so angrily toward them in that instance (I on the other hand deserved it after that good case of Foot-In-Mouth up there :D)
    This thread was provided as a reference, and already 2 posters have already tried to ruin for no good reason. Because I'm maybe not known as much on this forum?? Hmm, probably...

    Absolutely not. Sorry, if there was genuine contempt directed toward a user because they're not a regular contributer I'd step on the antagonist. Hard. The problem is that a good few of the PSUs up there are old, others are server-grade and yet others have poor availability over here, are overpriced, or are considered to be in the wrong tier by even JG. Pricing and availability are wildly different in Europe and there are a lot of noticable absences on the old list due to age.

    There was the idea of a new list mooted on JG not so long ago... not sure what came of it :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Effluo - in fairness, if a user was savyy enough to install two HD5970's, and even want them in the first place, a certain assuption of knowledge is allowed.
    Kinda funny how you called me pedantic after posting such an in depth article
    That doesn't make any sense...

    Catering for the technophobe is absolutely no problem - I do it on a daily basis in work. If anyone needs to know something, all they have to do is ask :)

    Solitaire - apologies if my retorts were a little on the harsh side :o

    However, I will take a quote from my first post on this thread:
    I'd like (if I may) to post a post I had originally posted some time ago on another site which I had taken information from various sources in relation to PSU's & recommendations.

    This is quite an extensive list (but may not include every supply, so if yours isn't there, don't worry!), and I do need to update it, but it should at least give forum members idea's in relation to the best brands and ranges that your hard earned money can buy in relation to PSU's.
    So in my defence, I did outline that the list needs updating and that it is from some time ago, but it should give a decent enough reference as to what brands / models should be looked at.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    As some of you may have read in the Graphics forum I had my Corsair TX750W psu blow 2 weeks ago after only 18months. I'm in the process of rma'ing it now. It took the mobo out with it as I can't get it to power on with another psu. It was powering a lot, specs in sig with overclock, 5 hds and a good few usb devices, but should have been well able for it. I always thought I was safe buying a Corsair, just goes to show.

    At least I got a 7 yr warranty, but it cost fooken €38 to post as it was 2.7kg and now its stuck in Heathrow on the way to Corsair in Holland :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Yeah I think I replied to your thread alright. Thats pretty nasty. The unit obviously did not have OVP, or at least it wasn't working and there was a problem with the unit as soon as it left the factory.

    Its recommended on jonnyguru, and I've recommended them myself before.

    I think you're just unlucky.. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26 Vergast


    hey hey,
    Just wondering you guys seem to be quite knowledgeable in the PSU department. Anyone , heard of this brand? or anything about this?

    http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=337116

    I'm contemplating a i7 rig and this is a nice way to cheapen the whole thing but Im really not up for buying a dodgy power supply. Thanks in advance for anything!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Hi Vergast, no offence intended, but you're a prime example of someone that tries to skimp on the PSU.

    Let me put it in perspective, you'll spend 100's or 1,000's on building a new rig, but only €50 on powering it?!

    The PSU, in my opinion, is the single most important component of any computer - do NOT skimp, you will be sorry.

    Anyway, I don't know what you have in your system component wise, but for around the 600/650W range as you'd selected, I'd recommend these:

    Corsair HX 650W €115
    http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=492649

    Coraisr HX 620W €109
    http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=327672

    I obviously only picked ones from Komplett, as you posted a link from there so I'm assuming you're buying all your kit there!

    650W good quality PSU should be well powerful enough for a Core i7, 4-8gb ram, single high end vid card type set up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    ^^ exactly, Corsair, Thermaltake, FSP etc. are great brands.

    Heres a load of info on what PSU's to avoid and what are good/or cheap decent ones - http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=287485

    Again, no offence to the OP, i just mean in general as i see this a lot, but why do people in general think its ok to spend 800 or 900euro on a PC and 30 euro on a PSU?

    A lot of folk here will disagree with me, but each to their own, i get the best/largest wattage/volts on the rails/highest effeciency psu that i can get and that will last me for 5 or more years( with a guarantee for 5 years also of course ), saves on my build costs as i only have to replace mobo+cpu+ram rather than the whole lot( i.e. i do the same for the case and screen )

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26 Vergast


    Hi Vergast, no offence intended, but you're a prime example of someone that tries to skimp on the PSU.

    Excellent! Thats exactly what i wanted to hear! I originally had a Corsair but I felt I couldnt justify spending so much more until I had a good reason to . Now i do! And no offence taken, I asked for a reason!

    Stability is more of an issue for me than overclocking, maybe take the 920 to 3.0Ghz but not much higher. And Im not much of a gamer so my GPU will probably be a single gtx 260 or 275. As such Im thinking the 550W may be more suitable than the 600w I was initially thinking.

    https://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=339898

    Although as lmimmfn said, would be an investment to go for the higher wattage psu.

    PS, anyone know of a nice place to get a gtx 260?? near impossible to find a good one nearby


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭Effluo


    Jay-zues

    Dublin Gunner, the point of what i was saying is that, having words such as "SLI ready" is still not the greatest thing to put on any psu. For the fact which you have acknowledged "that some people just don't know".
    And most people on this forum don't know either!
    Just like Vergast here!


    Also there is nothing wrong with spending 40-50 euro on a psu and for 90% of users that is all they need to spend.

    For instance what is wrong with this psu?
    http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=404885

    It certainly would do for Vergasts needs or would come close! It is pointless to spend more unless Vergast has a will to upgrade the gpu or go sli in the future!


    Also i'm also confused to why Solitaire had to apologise for his post? Maybe it could have been interpreted as being a little condescending, but anyone who knows Solitaire knows it was not meant to be.
    "Grim Post-Ironic Tip Of The Day:" It's a sad day when someone can't incorporate a little bit of humor into their posts just in case someone might take it up the wrong way!

    Not to mention while someone labels someone else pedantic because he has a valid point on why he could reconsider a heading and some info on the psu's for the good of the general person who might be looking at his post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Effluo wrote: »
    Jay-zues

    Dublin Gunner, the point of what i was saying is that, having words such as "SLI ready" is still not the greatest thing to put on any psu. For the fact which you have acknowledged "that some people just don't know".
    And most people on this forum don't know either!
    Just like Vergast here!


    Also there is nothing wrong with spending 40-50 euro on a psu and for 90% of users that is all they need to spend.

    For instance what is wrong with this psu?
    http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=404885

    It certainly would do for Vergasts needs or would come close! It is pointless to spend more unless Vergast has a will to upgrade the gpu or go sli in the future!


    Also i'm also confused to why Solitaire had to apologise for his post? Maybe it could have been interpreted as being a little condescending, but anyone who knows Solitaire knows it was not meant to be.
    "Grim Post-Ironic Tip Of The Day:" It's a sad say when someone can't incorporate a little bit of humor into their posts just in case someone might take it up the wrong way!

    Not to mention while someone labels someone else pedantic because he has a valid point on why he could reconsider a heading and some info on the psu's for the good of the general person who might be looking at his post.
    while thats a decent enough psu, its just going to limit any future upgrades, 30A on the 12v rail is just about cutting it for now for any cpu overclocking + an nvidia 260 or 4870, anything above that will be cutting it very very close.

    It is up to the OP whether to buy now to prevent having to get a psu upgrade whenever he decides to upgrade the gfx card, but gfx card power requirements are going only one way and thats up.

    Heres a great chart on gpu power consumption - http://mark.zoomcities.com/images/gfx/GFXpowerchartbybrandgen.png

    Unless a psu is one of the generally recommended branded psu's i would highly recommend never ever getting such a psu.
    Vergast wrote: »
    Although as lmimmfn said, would be an investment to go for the higher wattage psu.

    PS, anyone know of a nice place to get a gtx 260?? near impossible to find a good one nearby
    if you'd like it as an investment you should say so as it changes recommendations, e.g. ive had 2 psu's in 6-7 years( across 4 PC builds ), and the current one should last another 3, i.e. do you think you'll ever have a dual card solution? even if its an ATI + nvidia combo for physx?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭BadCharlie


    @ Effluo : the PSU you linked is good as its a well knowing brand. But Vergast never gave the spec of his computer. And Dublin_Gunner did say in his post that he did not know what Vergast had in his system... but would pick the same wattage area as what Vergast linked in his first post (630watt PSU). So hence why Dublin_Gunner linked a 620watt + 650watt PSU. Im no rocket scientists but i can follow Dublin_Gunner logic here.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    lmimmfn wrote: »
    while thats a decent enough psu, its just going to limit any future upgrades, 30A on the 12v rail is just about cutting it for now for any cpu overclocking + an nvidia 260 or 4870, anything above that will be cutting it very very close.

    It is up to the OP whether to buy now to prevent having to get a psu upgrade whenever he decides to upgrade the gfx card, but gfx card power requirements are going only one way and thats up.

    Heres a great chart on gpu power consumption - http://mark.zoomcities.com/images/gfx/GFXpowerchartbybrandgen.png

    Unless a psu is one of the generally recommended branded psu's i would highly recommend never ever getting such a psu.


    if you'd like it as an investment you should say so as it changes recommendations, e.g. ive had 2 psu's in 6-7 years( across 4 PC builds ), and the current one should last another 3, i.e. do you think you'll ever have a dual card solution? even if its an ATI + nvidia combo for physx?

    Weren't the more recent nVidia drivers disabling physX where ATI cards were doing the rendering though? They may well have reversed this policy in the meantime, I haven't been following it recently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Weren't the more recent nVidia drivers disabling physX where ATI cards were doing the rendering though? They may well have reversed this policy in the meantime, I haven't been following it recently.

    The official driver do indeed disable but you don't have to use the official drivers to make said setup work :)


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Venom wrote: »
    The official driver do indeed disable but you don't have to use the official drivers to make said setup work :)

    The thought had occured to me that there might be. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26 Vergast


    Due to a small change in components, gtx 275 instead of 260 and another hard drive I decided to get a 650W PSU. Currently im looking at the Corsair TX or HX, but Im not entirely sure the difference other than the HX is supposidly better. Any one have personal experience with either?


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Vergast wrote: »
    Due to a small change in components, gtx 275 instead of 260 and another hard drive I decided to get a 650W PSU. Currently im looking at the Corsair TX or HX, but Im not entirely sure the difference other than the HX is supposidly better. Any one have personal experience with either?

    I have the TX 650W myself it a very nice piece of kit IMO, good quality and dead quiet. The closest HX comes in a 620W model and is modular, also it is an improved design* (©Solitare in the other thread). So I am sure there are small efficency gains and other improvements as well.

    Get the HX if you want modular cabling but the TX range will not disappoint if budget is a restraint.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 680 ✭✭✭Leman_Russ


    marco_polo wrote: »
    I have the TX 650W myself it a very nice piece of kit IMO, good quality and dead quiet. The closest HX comes in a 620W model and is modular, also it is an improved design* (©Solitare in the other thread). So I am sure there are small efficency gains and other improvements as well.

    Get the HX if you want modular cabling but the TX range will not disappoint if budget is a restraint.

    Actually, Corsair recently released a HX650 with a ultrabeefy single 52A 12v Rail http://www.corsair.com/products/hx650/default.aspx

    At least, I hope they did, otherwise I have no Idea wtf I just put in my PC! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Leman_Russ wrote: »
    Actually, Corsair recently released a HX650 with a ultrabeefy single 52A 12v Rail http://www.corsair.com/products/hx650/default.aspx

    At least, I hope they did, otherwise I have no Idea wtf I just put in my PC! :pac:


    I recommended the exact unit earlier in this thread:
    Corsair HX 650W €115
    http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=492649


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Leman_Russ wrote: »
    Actually, Corsair recently released a HX650 with a ultrabeefy single 52A 12v Rail http://www.corsair.com/products/hx650/default.aspx

    At least, I hope they did, otherwise I have no Idea wtf I just put in my PC! :pac:
    I recommended the exact unit earlier in this thread:
    Corsair HX 650W €115
    http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=492649

    Didn't know that, it makes sense to put out a 650W version, not sure why they picked unusual numbers like 620W in the first place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 680 ✭✭✭Leman_Russ


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Didn't know that, it makes sense to put out a 650W version, not sure why they picked unusual numbers like 620W in the first place.

    Perhaps Corsair pulled an AMD on us (the 620W were dodgy 700W PSUs)? :pac::pac::pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 shamdiver


    Didn't know that, it makes sense to put out a 650W version, not sure why they picked unusual numbers like 620W in the first place.

    Its more than likely a cost driven choice, they can screw enough out of a slightly cheaper structure that they probably use on the TX or lower HX models. By changing the IC or components they can get higher performance but it costs more. I've seen similar things in the electronics industry before! Why lose profit by upping materials!!
    OMG I should be on the apprentice :D oh hang on, what would I want with a visit to a salsa bar or facial :eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26 Vergast


    I recommended the exact unit earlier in this thread:
    Corsair HX 650W €115
    http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=492649

    Yes, The only reason I decided on the TX 650W over the HX is budget, I had given a max 90 euro for the powersupply and felt the TX would suit my non-overclocking much needs!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Weren't the more recent nVidia drivers disabling physX where ATI cards were doing the rendering though? They may well have reversed this policy in the meantime, I haven't been following it recently.
    yeah they did,but theres a nice handy hack to reenable it again :), the latest version works on the 195 drivers, im still on 192 though, works grand with batman with the 8800gt for physx and the ati 5850 for the gfx, no AA though without messing with the vendor id.

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