Clear aeg's now being sold here :(

Private Snafu

Was looking around dundrum centre today and saw that a shop is now selling clear body aeg's and pistols hafta say they're awfull looking things! Tbh though I still can't figure out why they'd be selling clear bodied kit here in the first place... Any idea??

tonyj_mc

lperrozzi wrote: »

Was looking around dundrum centre today and saw that a shop is now selling clear body aeg's and pistols hafta say they're awfull looking things! Tbh though I still can't figure out why they'd be selling clear bodied kit here in the first place... Any idea??

Would it get around the new lw as clearly they are not RIFs made from clear plastic, like the the two tone ones in the UK

Puding

At the agm the iaa believed the clear aegs would still class as riffs, but seen them about got some time on sale

still no definition of a rid yet so we will have to see

tonyj_mc

its annoying with the law coming so soon that there is still no concrete definitaion but sure hey thats ireland for you.

JonnyTwoCombs

A few people in the 'importation ban' thread mentioned the fortcoming arival of these things and got themselves shot down

Private Snafu

:rolleyes:Thanks for that puding! Was shocked to see them though, more so by the outrageous prices they're being sold at :rolleyes:

I will add though that this is not an Airsoft shop, it's one of the gadget shops...

Damo 2k9

lperrozzi wrote: »

Was looking around dundrum centre today and saw that a shop is now selling clear body aeg's and pistols hafta say they're awfull looking things! Tbh though I still can't figure out why they'd be selling clear bodied kit here in the first place... Any idea??

Yeh I seen some when i was in blanch yesterday in the gadget shop, and it was 180 quid for a 0,5 joule AEG and a springer handgun i think it was
They had some co2 handguns aswell for 100 euro

desertstorm

Damo 2k9 wrote: »

Yeh I seen some when i was in blanch yesterday in the gadget shop, and it was 180 quid for a 0,5 joule AEG and a springer handgun i think it was
They had some co2 handguns aswell for 100 euro

I think you meant 2-300 euro for the co2 handguns, they were around that last time i saw them

probably best they're overpriced sh1te when being sold in places like that anyway

Masada

The law specifically mentions the word "airsoft" in relation to the guns so its very likely these will be covered too, meaning they'll only be able to sell them up until the ban.,:)

Puding

From everything I've read the term rif is used to cover all areas and until that definition is released it is hard to say what is and what is not a rif

I never noticed a referance to airsoft in terms of the ban in the documentation, only ever sore rif as that was covering both airsoft and de-ac, do you have the referance for that section? I seem to have missed somthing

Masada

Yeah it says "Realistic immitation firearms, including those known as Airsoft" etc etc. Its been a while since i read it so the wording might not be exact, but the main point is there.,

Puding

Thank you, remember that bit know

still need that lovely definition of a rif as 'airsoft' is a little broad even for the Irish legal system, I remember finding that wording a little strange as it seed at the time that even a marker style airsoft device that's did not look like a firearm could be classed under the ban

deepimpact

This is a load of bull. If I were the guy running that shop I'd slap 500 per cent markups on all the clear AEGs by putting the Ugg Boot logo on them.

That crowd in Dundrum would buy anything with that label.

bullets

Wondering after these new laws are enforced will it actually
stop the likes of these stores from selling overpriced gear.

Anyone know just how much one of those Retailers Licence's
actually Costs ? Is it a lot?? or do we even know yet ?

All that place needs to do it go get themselves a Retailers Licence
and conform to whatever they need to go to get one and
they can sell legally sell their over priced airsoft gear all they want
for those foolish enough to pay the price.

Dunno about this gadget shop place as I've never seen the place,
but the Local Head store down here in Limerick seems to have no shortage
of money, and they sell some overpiced gear and have begun to paint
their guns two tone. I'll be curious to know should the laws be actually
enforced come the new year will their stock all of a sudden disappear.
(It was funny I saw the place down here sell stuff that was a clone of a clone some
stuff that looked like Cyma but the names was changed)


~B

hitman_

I would imagine they are selling clear and two-tone stuff to comply with the new law, i.e. obivous toy/model guns which to the casual observer or Garda are not realistic imitation firearms - would that be the case?
I'll call into the local gadget shop in Swords Pavilions today for a chat if I get time.

There was a shedload of cheap stuff on sale in Balbriggan market yesterday, with a few nervous individuals trying to decide whether to face the full-scale Garda/Customs checkpoints outside - my car was searched for the first time ever on the way out ...

Shiva

bullets wrote: »

Wondering after these new laws are enforced will it actually
stop the likes of these stores from selling overpriced gear.

Anyone know just how much one of those Retailers Licence's
actually Costs ? Is it a lot?? or do we even know yet ?

All that place needs to do it go get themselves a Retailers Licence
and conform to whatever they need to go to get one and
they can sell legally sell their over priced airsoft gear all they want
for those foolish enough to pay the price.

We believe one of the requirements of getting a RIF retail license is that you have a only RIF and accessories and related stuff for sale on the premises, and nothing else. So that puts the gadget shops selling cheap tat out of the game unless they're willing to have a RIF retail premises seperate from their main premises - and I dont think thats commercially viable for the kind of junk they'd be selling.

Vents

Just by way of an addition to the list of shops that are currently selling Clear/two tone AEGS and the such.

the gaget shop (not the real name) in Swords Pavillions

Masada

Be Cool, i think is the name of it.,:)

Vents

Masada wrote: »

Be Cool, i think is the name of it.,:)

Thats the fella! Sould have remembered it really. I always seem to end up in there whilst shopping. (and leaving slightly dissapointed with the stock )

Stercus Accidit

As airsoft guns they can paint them whatever colour they want, they will probably be classed as rif's.

bullets

Shiva wrote: »

We believe one of the requirements of getting a RIF retail license is that you have a only RIF and accessories and related stuff for sale on the premises, and nothing else. So that puts the gadget shops selling cheap tat out of the game unless they're willing to have a RIF retail premises seperate from their main premises - and I dont think thats commercially viable for the kind of junk they'd be selling.

Agreed with you there! I would prefer not to see any of these
types of places selling them. With that said my first ever airsoft purchase
that got me hooked was in one of these types of places where I wandered
in out of curiosity.

I cant really see more dedicated airsoft stores opening up though
that sell Airsoft gear only. We have enough quality retailers
already that have already got their own customer base. I dont
think the market is big enough for more airsoft only Walk in stores.

Even with Real Steel Firearms dealers quite a lot of the time you dont
see them Just selling firearms.
Its nearly always the Fishing and Tackle Shop,
that "also" is a gun dealer,
that may also sell Archery Equipment.

(One Dealer I've delt with who is a gentle man, is the Local Postmaster,
Newsagent, Gundealer, Fuel Merchant and wine/spirit merchant! )

The only thing I would object to is this Notion that if your an Airsoft Dealer
that there may have been a hint that you should not have any Window displays,
or that you should have your premises out of the way of the town in some industrial estate
away from every other type of shops simply
because someone someplace thinks it was draw the wrong types or worry
the public or it would be seen as something sinister.


~B

JonnyTwoCombs

bullets wrote: »

that may also sell Archery Equipment.

The only thing I would object to is this Notion that if your an Airsoft Dealer
that there may have been a hint that you should not have any Window displays,
or that you should have your premises out of the way of the town in some industrial estate
away from every other type of shops simply
because someone someplace thinks it was draw the wrong types or worry
the public or it would be seen as something sinister.


~B

+ 1

It does kind of makes it all seem sinister! :mad:

Shiva

bullets wrote: »

The only thing I would object to is this Notion that if your an Airsoft Dealer
that there may have been a hint that you should not have any Window displays,
or that you should have your premises out of the way of the town in some industrial estate
away from every other type of shops simply
because someone someplace thinks it was draw the wrong types or worry
the public or it would be seen as something sinister.


~B

No "may have" about it - thats exactly the reason

hitman_

Called into Be Cool Swords today.
The few "guns" he's selling are all partly clear ABS/Plastic to show the internal mechanics.
They are sold as toys/model guns and don't look "realistic" at all imo, some were CO2, some springers, maybe one aeg. They look ok for what they are I guess, if a tad on the dear side, not my cup of tea.
The guy said all this was to comply with the new law (non-rif's),
they are in a display case and can be examined on request.

Rogue-Trooper

hitman_ wrote: »

Called into Be Cool Swords today.
The few "guns" he's selling are all partly clear ABS/Plastic to show the internal mechanics.
They are sold as toys/model guns and don't look "realistic" at all imo, some were CO2, some springers, maybe one aeg. They look ok for what they are I guess, if a tad on the dear side, not my cup of tea.
The guy said all this was to comply with the new law (non-rif's),
they are in a display case and can be examined on request.

The problem is though that they are only a black spray can away from being RIF's

Phractal

I think that, what with the economy and the fact that airsoft DOES help the economy, banning or severely restricting the sale of proper RIF's is a bloody stupid idea. I would not mind if they had some kind of thing where you had to be an IAA member to buy em- it would be making them feel safe and happy while helping get people involved in the community. Which reminds me- my new years resolution is to join! I wonder, is there any planned restriction on manufacturing custom airsoft RIF's and accessories here?

Masada

They haven't been banned? or even restricted. and you don't need to be in the IAA to buy one.,

Phractal

Richie... I know that. I was merely pointing out that it is a possibility in the future- sure look at England where apparently you have to be a registered player to buy decent ones, and there are all kinds of people there selling clear-soft as a way around the laws. Or canada where import is banned, and the only guns commonly available are clearsoft ones- I often have my canadian friends complaining to me if I mention what we have here. Or, Australia. Over there they are banned completely

Gatling

One of the problems these shops selling clear aegs and springers saying its to comply with the new RIF regulations is that there making up it as they go along , the DOJ hasnt released the definination of what exactly is a rif ,
at best anything that looks like a gun, 2 tone ,clear or anything in between will probably condidered rifs, it wont be down to color more likely can it be perceived to be a gun by joe public ,

Firekitten

hey now... ugg branded aegs would rock.... You all seem to love your Gucci aegs :P

As for the clear guns, the Irish market probably isn't aware of this as much... but clear cheapo guns have been around decades... co2 air pistols, crappy springers and LPEGs have been clear for yonks in some brands.... just cheap and legally safe to sell in places like gadget shops. Probably not a response to any new laws... even if they were aware of them.

Masada

They've been around here just as long, and were illegal firearms up until August 2006 when they became legal providing they are under 1Joule.

A realistic Imitation firearm can only really be defined as something someone could mistake for a real gun and theres no real way of measuring what is acceptably defined as "not realistic", particularly with people who aren't familiar with guns at all, so in my opinion there would be a strong argument in favor of these clear guns being just as "illegal to import" in January as any other airsoft gun, until such time as the wording is in law as it is in the UK.,

Lemming

Masada wrote: »

A realistic Imitation firearm can only really be defined as something someone could mistake for a real gun and theres no real way of measuring what is acceptably defined as "not realistic", particularly with people who aren't familiar with guns at all, so in my opinion there would be a strong argument in favor of these clear guns being just as "illegal to import" in January as any other airsoft gun, until such time as the wording is in law as it is in the UK.,

if I'm not mistaken, that definition of a RIF is the one introduced as part of the VCRA in the UK. To date, we still have not yet received a definition by the government as to what they consider a RIF to be and not to be.

Still, you're probably quite right that they will be considered just as illegal to import. This country has a hysteria-complex about anything remotely gun related (maybe it's a hangover from good old Catholic-guilt association with phallis), so I can well see the widest possible definition being given.

Masada

Thats exactly my point, we dont have a definition, like say, 50% bright red rifle isnt realistic etc, so its wide open,

Masada

Phractal wrote: »

Richie... I know that. I was merely pointing out that it is a possibility in the future- sure look at England where apparently you have to be a registered player to buy decent ones, and there are all kinds of people there selling clear-soft as a way around the laws. Or canada where import is banned, and the only guns commonly available are clearsoft ones- I often have my canadian friends complaining to me if I mention what we have here. Or, Australia. Over there they are banned completely

Just noticed this now,

There has been no suggestion whatsoever that we will be going that direction at all and i believe the IAA put the clear/painted guns theory to bed with the DOJ in their dealings with them early in the year. which then led to the outcome we have today. they only restricted the possession in a public place of what they now recognize as "Realistic Imitation Firearms". If anything, the new law should be reassurance to us that we are safe considering the time and effort that goes it drafting such things, they didnt just say "meh, outright ban on gun shaped stuff".

Blazer

yep the IAA put it to the DoJ that every country that introduced clear guns killed the sports. The DoJ in turn accepted this and make changes to the law such as 1 joule limit, brandishing weapons in public, licensed retailers etc..

Witcher

Berkut wrote: »

yep the IAA put it to the DoJ that every country that introduced clear guns killed the sports. The DoJ in turn accepted this and make changes to the law such as 1 joule limit, brandishing weapons in public, licensed retailers etc..

That was made law 3/4 years ago.

benj321

i went in to a shop in enniskilling couple weeks ago whilst on hols and ask the lads did they sell snipes he turned around and said that its soon gona be law that all bb guns/ airsoft guns will b clear by law dunno if its just for northen ireland or will it b brought in dwn ere i think personaly we should copy the americans and have a 2 inch orange ring on end of barrel.
dunno if that helps ur question

Private Snafu

Masada wrote: »

....There has been no suggestion whatsoever that we will be going that direction at all and i believe the IAA put the clear/painted guns theory to bed with the DOJ in their dealings with them early in the year. .......

As Masada said above, clear aeg's are not going to be a requirement for the foreseeable future:rolleyes:

.22 Lover

Clear AEG are over priced under powered and have the worse internals i have ever seen i don't think it would take too much to snap one in half.

Leftyflip

.22 Lover wrote: »

Clear AEG are over priced under powered and have the worse internals i have ever seen i don't think it would take too much to snap one in half.

What about the G&G one?

.22 Lover

I never looked at the brand name.:D

Puding

there are different types of clear aeg same as a normal aeg

you have the lpeg lot that is normally sold in gadget shops and the high end clear aegs produced for the uk and canada markets

Private Snafu

Well there's a solution to these clear aeg's.

If you ever see them in a site, aim for the body of the rifle
once people realise how flimsy they are there'll be no more demand for this crap and thus the order of the universe will be restored :P

Puding

lperrozzi wrote: »

Well there's a solution to these clear aeg's.

If you ever see them in a site, aim for the body of the rifle
once people realise how flimsy they are there'll be no more demand for this crap and thus the order of the universe will be restored :P

good luck with that if its anything other than a lpeg

Private Snafu

good luck with that if its anything other than a lpeg

Tbh have seen bodies of a few aegs broken of cracked after being hit with a bb, steyr augs for example (g36c frontends are a git for it too )

Saying that the clear bodies might be stronger than I think

Leftyflip

lperrozzi wrote: »

Tbh have seen bodies of a few aegs broken of cracked after being hit with a bb, steyr augs for example (g36c frontends are a git for it too )

Saying that the clear bodies might be stronger than I think

It depends on the quality, the G&G one's tend to be quite strong and sturdy.

MindPhuck

you mean these wonderful looking guns..

.22 Lover

Gadget shop Pavilions? whats the point in making such lo end guns and selling them at such high prices its a complete ripoff to the general public!!!!!!:mad:

Leftyflip

MindPhuck wrote: »

you mean these wonderful looking guns..

Clear is the new tan :P

Leftyflip

.22 Lover wrote: »

Gadget shop Pavilions? whats the point in making such lo end guns and selling them at such high prices its a complete ripoff to the general public!!!!!!:mad:

Because people are paying that for them.

MindPhuck

.22 Lover wrote: »

Gadget shop Pavilions? whats the point in making such lo end guns and selling them at such high prices its a complete ripoff to the general public!!!!!!:mad:

naa, it was in blanch gadget shop. i presume their selling it as a 'gadget' or toy for big boy, etc.