R.T.E 1 sheriff and me

argosy2006

Do you think sheriffs are fair on people who clearly can pay what the owe,so they take all there belongings and tell people if i,m offered 50 euro for it all i'll take it, but you will still owe me 12,000 grand,,,

omahaid

Just watching it there, does it seem like the bailiffs are like burglars? "What do you think of that house?" "Do you think theres anything there worth taking?"

argosy2006

omahaid wrote: »

Just watching it there, does it seem like the bailiffs are like burglars? "What do you think of that house?" "Do you think theres anything there worth taking?"

i know it seems a bit silly,, they take stuff and sell it for a quick few bob, like a burglar would, then go back to guy they took it on and say i only got 200 euro for your mercedes you still owe me 8 grand to pay off rest of debt,
hell the guy could have sold it for 20 times more,, but no they take stuff and sell it for nothing coz they dont give a **** it seems,

FearDark

Sheriffs are ****, I dont care if people say "theyre only trying to bring a wage home to their families blah blah". These fcukers are paid comission on what they steal recover from you, sell it for peanuts and come back for more.

In some cases they collect from people who are living way beyond their means like planes, Yachts and Aston Martins, etc but there are are cases like the man who owns the hardware shop, the man who started the engineering company or the builder, who are genuinely doing their best and when you think of the irresponsible bankers who will get massive bonuses and free flights with Aer lingus, you would have to wonder why the world is so so badly divided.

Aidric

You'd have to wonder what that blocklayer was at. 90,000 in personal debt on top of a mortgage.

rodberg007

Yes but the whole point here is 'don't ignore the letters' if you don't communicate with the lenders/revenue or sherrif for that matter they won't co-operate with you and will use the heavy-handed approach to get the money that's owed to them. It's all about negotating a resonable a fair agreement and as long as they see some effort being made to re-pay the funds owed they will work with you on this.

Firefox10

More tales of recessionary woe. I wonder who the Austin Martin Belonged too.

Birdsong

Am nearly in tears wathching it, have been to that hardward shop in Clondalkin a few times, and I have to say they are so helpful & know what they are talking about, unlike woodies etc, can't believe things were so tough. Hope this will be a lesson to people to support local industry.

BTW who does the sheriff work for, who pays the wages, are they public service.

argosy2006

rodberg007 wrote: »

Yes but the whole point here is 'don't ignore the letters' if you don't communicate with the lenders/revenue or sherrif for that matter they won't co-operate with you and will use the heavy-handed approach to get the money that's owed to them. It's all about negotating a resonable a fair agreement and as long as they see some effort being made to re-pay the funds owed they will work with you on this.

i hope thats right, its not protrayed in this programme though, its all take take take, give it away and you still owe them all the money, yet now you have no possible way to pay coz they closed your business,, makes no sense,,
a payment plan is required,so they get pay bit by bit,,, and there should be no interest,

The Sparrow

As far as I know the sheriff is paid a percentage of what they seize. Which is nuts because surely that gives the sheriff and bailiff more motivation to try and seize goods.

Sheriff is right... ****ing cowboys.

rodberg007

Aidric wrote: »

You'd have to wonder what that blocklayer was at. 90,000 in personal debt on top of a mortgage.

No wonder he's in so much debt. it's 60 for credit union and 20 for revenue and not sure where the other 10 is for ??

Daragh101

argosy2006 wrote: »

Do you think sheriffs are fair on people who clearly can pay what the owe,so they take all there belongings and tell people if i,m offered 50 euro for it all i'll take it, but you will still owe me 12,000 grand,,,

yer man there is cruzing around in a new mercedes trying to collect a couple hundred euro off some poor fella!...so yes they are complete ****!

rodberg007

Firefox10 wrote: »

More tales of recessionary woe. I wonder who the Austin Martin Belonged too.

Michael Lynn

boodlesdoodles

Daragh101 wrote: »

yer man there is cruzing around in a new mercedes trying to collect a couple hundred euro off some poor fella!...so yes they are complete ****!

So people should get away with not paying their taxes? Bull. Paye workers have no other choice, its deducted at source. I'm all for what they do, the tax take is down and like the sheriff said its a last resort when they go out to someone. I'd be all for the sheriff knocking at my boss's door if he wasn't paying over my tax.

argosy2006

rodberg007 wrote: »

No wonder he's in so much debt. it's 60 for credit union and 20 for revenue and not sure where the other 10 is for ??

he must have been getting paid cash in some jobs and spent like there was no tomorrow taking out loans n such, and now its all back fired,
but whos to blame, credit unions for giving him it,
it just sickens me to see how the little guy has to carry the big guys,, banks builders got bailouts,,, didnt see any property developers in this programme,, just lil guys who own chicken feed in the whole scale of things,
chase the big guys sherrifs and leave the little guy alone,

rodberg007

Daragh101 wrote: »

yer man there is cruzing around in a new mercedes trying to collect a couple hundred euro off some poor fella!...so yes they are complete ****!

Yes I noticed that alright - a Mercedes Jeep not sure if it was an ML or a GL but they are busy!!

rodberg007

argosy2006 wrote: »

he must have been getting paid cash in some jobs and spent like there was no tomorrow taking out loans n such, and now its all back fired,
but whos to blame, credit unions for giving him it,
it just sickens me to see how the little guy has to carry the big guys,, banks builders got bailouts,,, didnt see any property developers in this programme,, just lil guys who own chicken feed in the whole scale of things,
chase the big guys sherrifs and leave the little guy alone,

He was probably getting paid cash on alot of jobs and probably borrowed a big deposit from credit union to keep the mortgage payment down every month and probably the idea was to pay the credit union a lump sum of cash every week but now not only has the work dried up the revenue want their money too. Not a great position to be in right now but as you saw from the video footage he is active in seeking work and trying to support 3 kids as well - not easy!

argosy2006

best way out of recession is to give everyone 50,000 grand only catch is you have to spend it within 18 months,
that will get economy going,,:D

Ordinary man

A lot of sub contractors are sole traders. They borrowed money to finance jobs(material, labour, etc) then the companies they work for go bust and they're left holding the bag. A sole trader is liable for all is debts, a company director walks away and washes his hands of debt

Lemondrop kid

Birdsong wrote: »

BTW who does the sheriff work for, who pays the wages, are they public service.

That's the big question.
I used to think they were public servants, but i think they are private indiv who apply for a licence. ie licenced gangsters.

rodberg007

Lemondrop kid wrote: »

That's the big question.
I used to think they were public servants, but i think they are private indiv who apply for a licence. ie licenced gangsters.

Yes as far as I know they have a licence valid for 12 months only but have to renew it every year.

Lemondrop kid

Each county in Ireland has a Sheriff who is a civil servant and part of their responsibility is to take and sell goods in order to discharge a debt after a court judgment has been obtained. Sheriffs are appointed under the Court Officers Act 1945 and Section 12(5) of the Act limits the appointment of the position to persons who are barristers or solicitors who have practised for five years or to those who have acted for not less than five years as managing clerk or principal assistant to an under-sheriff or sheriff. Section 12(6)(g) of the Act states that the conditions of employment of every Sheriff subject to foregoing sections of the Act are determined from time to time by the Minister for Finance after consultation with the Minister for Justice.

Other methods that are used to collect debts on foot of court judgments are the instalment order process where a judge decides the amount of weekly or monthly payments a debtor can make after assessing their means, a garnishee order where money owed from a third party to a debtor is directed to be used to satisfy a debt, receivership where a debtor’s goods are sold to satisfy a debt, a judgment mortgage which is registered against a debtor’s property and prohibits dealings with that property until the relevant debt is discharged (the creditor can also take the further step of having the property sold to satisfy the debt), the winding up of limited companies by the Court and declaring a debtor bankrupt.



Well that's from euro/ govt site, will check out Bailiffs - no apparently they don't exist in ireland - only sheriffs

Lemondrop kid

rodberg007 wrote: »

Yes as far as I know they have a licence valid for 12 months only but have to renew it every year.

Must look into this. those guy didn't seem like your average barrister to me...

Oh, principal assistant - read 'heavy'

Nuttzz

boodlesdoodles wrote: »

So people should get away with not paying their taxes? Bull. Paye workers have no other choice, its deducted at source. I'm all for what they do, the tax take is down and like the sheriff said its a last resort when they go out to someone. I'd be all for the sheriff knocking at my boss's door if he wasn't paying over my tax.

Would you be confident of getting another job if they did close your workplace down, I know 8 people on the dole now because the sheriff did that, not saying he should have but the sheriff didnt get any money and the taxpayer is down another 1600 a week because of it.

I think there needs to be a mabs type agency for small businesses

EKRIUQ

Lemondrop kid wrote: »

Each county in Ireland has a Sheriff who is a civil servant and part of their responsibility is to take and sell goods in order to discharge a debt after a court judgment has been obtained. Sheriffs are appointed under the Court Officers Act 1945 and Section 12(5) of the Act limits the appointment of the position to persons who are barristers or solicitors who have practised for five years or to those who have acted for not less than five years as managing clerk or principal assistant to an under-sheriff or sheriff. Section 12(6)(g) of the Act states that the conditions of employment of every Sheriff subject to foregoing sections of the Act are determined from time to time by the Minister for Finance after consultation with the Minister for Justice.

Other methods that are used to collect debts on foot of court judgments are the instalment order process where a judge decides the amount of weekly or monthly payments a debtor can make after assessing their means, a garnishee order where money owed from a third party to a debtor is directed to be used to satisfy a debt, receivership where a debtor’s goods are sold to satisfy a debt, a judgment mortgage which is registered against a debtor’s property and prohibits dealings with that property until the relevant debt is discharged (the creditor can also take the further step of having the property sold to satisfy the debt), the winding up of limited companies by the Court and declaring a debtor bankrupt.

There's two types of sheriff, the courts sheriff and the revenue sheriff, the courts sheriff is employed by the state and acts on behalf of solicitors/company's trying to get money paid.

The revenue sheriffs are gang of thugs bailiffs organised and controlled by the county sheriff and doesn't really care about peoples personal circumstances there just after there to get their commission and don't give a **** about any one. These were the guys on TV tonight.

Tonight we saw people trying to survive to keep there business going barely making enough money to feed them self's and know if they stop the government won't support them (Self employed people don't get social help). Probably how they owe the money to revenue is because they tried to pay employee's business rate's or other business expenses that have doubled in the last couple of years and every time the revenue sheriffs call there bill is bumped by another €800 for a call out.

argosy2006

yea they dont give a flying flock,
wonder if there taxes are in order, probally not, there just a shower of low lifes,all people are trying to do are run a business and pay what they can,,
MAYBE THE WHOLE FLOCKING COUNTRY SHOULD SHUT THERE DOORS AND GO ON THE DOLE AND TEACH THIS COUNTRY A LESSON|!

boodlesdoodles

Nuttzz wrote: »

Would you be confident of getting another job if they did close your workplace down, I know 8 people on the dole now because the sheriff did that, not saying he should have but the sheriff didnt get any money and the taxpayer is down another 1600 a week because of it.

I think there needs to be a mabs type agency for small businesses

I'd rather my boss was honest. Simple rule of business is that you have tax included in your cashflow. And those 8 people on the dole you refer to weren't put out of work by the sheriff, they were put out of work due to boss not paying his way, sheriff only doing his job.

fryup

excellent taught provoking programme, felt for all those in debt esp the unemployed builder and hardware store owner

on a lighter note - did you not think it was a bit ridiculous having that fat guy's face covered up surely people know damn well who he is, with the size of him

boodlesdoodles

argosy2006 wrote: »

yea they dont give a flying flock,
wonder if there taxes are in order, probally not, there just a shower of low lifes,all people are trying to do are run a business and pay what they can,,
MAYBE THE WHOLE FLOCKING COUNTRY SHOULD SHUT THERE DOORS AND GO ON THE DOLE AND TEACH THIS COUNTRY A LESSON|!

People contracted to the state have to have tax up-to-date just like you would if you were tendering for a state job.

Not paying taxes is hardly the right attitude but then that is often the attitude of a minority of self-employed, employees like me have no other choice but to pay our way. There would be no dole if taxes weren't paid, so your point falls down straight away.

EKRIUQ

boodlesdoodles wrote: »

And those 8 people on the dole you refer to weren't put out of work by the sheriff, they were put out of work due to boss not paying his way, sheriff only doing his job.

Well it appears he paid his employee's wages before the sheriff, now is that a bad thing?

boodlesdoodles

EKRIUQ wrote: »

Well it appears he paid his employee's wages before the sheriff, now is that a bad thing?

And the employee's tax deduction? What did he do with that?

Lemondrop kid

EKRIUQ wrote: »

There's two types of sheriff, the courts sheriff and the revenue sheriff, the courts sheriff is employed by the state and acts on behalf of solicitors/company's trying to get money paid.

The revenue sheriffs are gang of thugs bailiffs organised and controlled by the county sheriff and doesn't really care about peoples personal circumstances there just after there to get their commission and don't give a **** about any one. These were the guys on TV tonight.

Tonight we saw people trying to survive to keep there business going barely making enough money to feed them self's and know if they stop the government won't support them (Self employed people don't get social help). Probably how they owe the money to revenue is because they tried to pay employee's business rate's or other business expenses that have doubled in the last couple of years and every time the revenue sheriffs call there bill is bumped by another €800 for a call out.

Fascinating. The county sheriff - is that a court sheriff? or a private licenced indiv? If the former, the choice of 'personal assistant leaves a lot to be desired

Daragh101

boodlesdoodles wrote: »

So people should get away with not paying their taxes? Bull. Paye workers have no other choice, its deducted at source. I'm all for what they do, the tax take is down and like the sheriff said its a last resort when they go out to someone. I'd be all for the sheriff knocking at my boss's door if he wasn't paying over my tax.

i never said that at all.. Im just saying he shouldnt be driving a fancy car at work cosidering his job...if he came to my house in that i wouldnt like it at all..

argosy2006

that builder/block layer cant pay the sheriff ahead of feed his kids,,,so what happens in this situation? no mercy! clear his house out sell contents for few hundred then what? whats next step? take his house,,,
where does he end up then? living off the state, let state find him a home, pay his rent,,whichs will cost more than the 20,000 he owe revenue,,if banks had millions of bailout,,why not right off these cases?

hairy cake

argosy2006 wrote: »

that builder/block layer cant pay the sheriff ahead of feed his kids,,,so what happens in this situation? no mercy! clear his house out sell contents for few hundred then what? whats next step? take his house,,,
where does he end up then? living off the state, let state find him a home, pay his rent,,whichs will cost more than the 20,000 he owe revenue,,if banks had millions of bailout,,why not right off these cases?

The sheriff has nothing to do with the mortgage or the credit union, he had 10-20 grand of unpaid tax - that's the deal. The fact that he got so far under that he couldn't pay this is incidental. Don't get me wrong I felt for the guy but this is tax (as others said) which is whipped out of a lot of people's pay packet without any choice. So if you can give me a good reason why some people can get off without paying it...

994

tbh I don't see why taking people's physical assets should be any less acceptable than taking financial assets

BaZmO*

How does a bricklayer end up owing the taxman €20K? It beggars belief. Felt for the guy but still, that's a lot of money to owe.

The Sheriffs came across as real gangsters last night.

mickthedick

Funny old world, the caring society. You have to feel sorry for those less fortunate. As for the sheriff, a leech, a parasite, is there any other words to describe them.

Jip

Can we add a new clause into Godwins law for anyone that mentions bankers and property developers, we can even create an entirely new one called Jips law.

I'm sick of anytime there's a discussion about tax, wages, bonuses, anything financial, people will always bring up bankers ffs.

Lemondrop kid wrote: »

That's the big question.
I used to think they were public servants, but i think they are private indiv who apply for a licence. ie licenced gangsters.

It's not that big a question, several people claimed to have watched this program but still ask this, it was explained who they are and who appointed them in the program.

Nuttzz

BaZmO* wrote: »

How does a bricklayer end up owing the taxman €20K? It beggars belief. Felt for the guy but still, that's a lot of money to owe.

The Sheriffs came across as real gangsters last night.

Probably PRSI, an employer has to pay about 10% of wages as prsi so

on wage bill of 200k a year his bill to the taxman would be about 20k

Lemondrop kid

Jip wrote: »

Can we add a new clause into Godwins law for anyone that mentions bankers and property developers, we can even create an entirely new one called Jips law.

I'm sick of anytime there's a discussion about tax, wages, bonuses, anything financial, people will always bring up bankers ffs.




It's not that big a question, several people claimed to have watched this program but still ask this, it was explained who they are and who appointed them in the program.

Ha Ha - caught. did a bit of channel hopping - had to watch Miami Vice, until it became unbearable
PS - why can't we mention bankers? I love mentioning them, though i spell it with a W
(bankwers)

BaZmO*

Nuttzz wrote: »

Probably PRSI, an employer has to pay about 10% of wages as prsi so

on wage bill of 200k a year his bill to the taxman would be about 20k

I don't think the bricklayer was an employer though so I find it hard to understand how much he owes the tax man. I missed a bit of the show so maybe he explained it?

Daragh101

BaZmO* wrote: »

I don't think the bricklayer was an employer though so I find it hard to understand how much he owes the tax man. I missed a bit of the show so maybe he explained it?

he employed 7 at the top of the boom!

BaZmO*

Daragh101 wrote: »

he employed 7 at the top of the boom!

Really? I'm surprised at that. He didn't seem the type

Myggel

I bet everyone watching thought they were scum but I wonder how many people looked up how to become a sheriff after watching this?

amdublin

I found it to be a very depressing watch

Daragh101

BaZmO* wrote: »

Really? I'm surprised at that. He didn't seem the type

i no ya!

charley varrick

the revenue sheriff in donegal also has a private legal practice his bailliffs are ex garda and foreign nationals they are exempt from criminal charges when carrying out the sheriff's bidding

paddy26

Birdsong wrote: »

Am nearly in tears wathching it, have been to that hardward shop in Clondalkin a few times, and I have to say they are so helpful & know what they are talking about, unlike woodies etc, can't believe things were so tough. Hope this will be a lesson to people to support local industry.

BTW who does the sheriff work for, who pays the wages, are they public service.

Does anyone know what the hardware shop in Clondalkin is called. I have some items to buy and would rather buy them from him rather than B&Q. Keep an Irish business going.

Paddy
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DeVore

Ordinary man wrote: »

A lot of sub contractors are sole traders. They borrowed money to finance jobs(material, labour, etc) then the companies they work for go bust and they're left holding the bag. A sole trader is liable for all is debts, a company director walks away and washes his hands of debt

Not if they have traded fraudulently or negligently. "Reckless trading" sees the debts transfer to you personally these days, plus most banks want "personal guarantees" now...

Directors are more often then not barred from being a director again too, regardless of the findings.

The ODCE is a whole lot tougher then it used to be these days... not people you want to be up in front of.

DeV.