Oh my god the most unfair thing EVER

gcollins09

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Okay, so I was walking home from school the other day (it's about a two kilometre walk (yeah, I know)). I was just walking along, minding my own business when a Garda decides to make it his business to fcuk up my day.

FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER he asks me for my name and address. Obviously, I'm not going to give him those. Then he decides he has the authority to take me down to the fcuking garda station FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER. So, obviously, I politely say "No, thank you" and I start to walk away.

THEN HE FCUKING THROWS ME INTO THE BACK OF HIS CAR AND I SPEND THE NEXT THREE HOURS WAITING IN THE STATION FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER.

Please tell me I'm not crazy for thinking this is unfair.

My name is URL

You should have just given him your details

The_Minister

Should have given him your name and address.

Lab_Mouse

by law you have to give them your name ,address and date of birth.Which you didnt do.

You know next time:)

jameshayes

You shouldn't have cupped him when he asked you what your up too

gent9662

why

frman

gcollins09 wrote: »

I politely say "No, thank you" and I start to walk away.

That's the funniest thing i have heard in ages, thank you !

jameshayes

dclane wrote: »

why

so he could get to the other side

Spear

Lab_Mouse wrote: »

by law you have to give them your name ,address and date of birth.Which you didnt do.

You know next time:)

What law is that?

CountingCrows

gcollins09 wrote: »

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Okay, so I was walking home from school the other day (it's about a two kilometre walk (yeah, I know))

Know what?

CountingCrows

Spear wrote: »

What law is that?

11b

CatFromHue

in future, just repeat everything he says to you back at him.

In saying that any time ive been asked i always reply with my details.....meekly!

Warfi

gcollins09 wrote: »

(it's about a two kilometre walk (yeah, I know)).

Maybe he thought you weren't taking the whole converting from imperial to metric thing on board

DazMarz

The boys in blue just love that... LOVE IT. Try and get a rise outta you, and then when they succeed, kick you square.

Never, ever, get lippy with the polis, cos they will fúck you up.

Why did you not wanna give him your details? I know you don't have to, but still, anything for a quiet life?

You tried to act cool and aloof to a Garda, he got pissed and made your life a bit of a misery. Never screw with anyone who has power over you.

It's not fair, but then who the hell told you life was fair???

Pompey Magnus

I agree OP, in the history of unfair things this definitely tops the list as the most unfair thing ever, displacing the former leader - Ultravox's Vienna which was kept off the number one spot by Joe Dolche. We now have a new winner.

Ciaran B

Contact the Garda ombudsman.

builttospill

gcollins09 wrote: »

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Okay, so I was walking home from school the other day (it's about a two kilometre walk (yeah, I know)). I was just walking along, minding my own business when a Garda decides to make it his business to fcuk up my day.

You know what?

I_am_Jebus

gcollins09 wrote: »

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Okay, so I was walking home from school the other day (it's about a two kilometre walk (yeah, I know)). I was just walking along, minding my own business when a Garda decides to make it his business to fcuk up my day.

FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER he asks me for my name and address. Obviously, I'm not going to give him those. Then he decides he has the authority to take me down to the fcuking garda station FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER. So, obviously, I politely say "No, thank you" and I start to walk away.

THEN HE FCUKING THROWS ME INTO THE BACK OF HIS CAR AND I SPEND THE NEXT THREE HOURS WAITING IN THE STATION FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER.

Please tell me I'm not crazy for thinking this is unfair.

OMG! :rolleyes:

source

gcollins09 wrote: »

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Okay, so I was walking home from school the other day (it's about a two kilometre walk (yeah, I know)). I was just walking along, minding my own business when a Garda decides to make it his business to fcuk up my day.

FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER he asks me for my name and address. Obviously, I'm not going to give him those. Then he decides he has the authority to take me down to the fcuking garda station FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER. So, obviously, I politely say "No, thank you" and I start to walk away.

THEN HE FCUKING THROWS ME INTO THE BACK OF HIS CAR AND I SPEND THE NEXT THREE HOURS WAITING IN THE STATION FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER.

Please tell me I'm not crazy for thinking this is unfair.

You may have fitted the description of someone he was looking for, and by refusing to give your name he has the power to arrest you under section 24 Criminal Justice(Public Order) Act 1994....and trust me, it almost definitely wasn't for no reason whatsoever, I can almost guarantee that you did or were doing something which either someone complained about or the garda saw, and this was his reason for stopping you in the first place, if you had given your name and address he probably would have told you to watch what you were doing, and let you on your way.

You learned a valuable lesson today, even if you don't think you did anything wrong, give the Garda your name and address, he might be trying to eliminate you from his enquiries and by giving lip and refusing to do so, only makes him more suspicious of you.

Gardai have the power to arrest you if you don't give your name and address, and the power to hold you until they can identify you if they suspect you of having committed a crime.

Biggins

I rather be stopped ten times for no reason than think that a pedo' or possible house breaking thief was not stopped and asked the same question once.

Its a bit of an inconvenience but he is not personally out to get YOU, he/she is looking out for the welfare of the neighbourhood instead.
That could be your neighbourhood too! I'd be damn grateful to actually see such checks are done to be honest.

nice1franko

You have to give the Gardai your name and address if they ask for it.

Or else they'll hoof ye into the back of teh car and fukc your day up.

AnonoBoy

What I want to know is how come the Po-Po caught you unawares like that? Don't you have hoppers as lookouts? Where were the cries of "5-O! 5-O Yo!"?

You need to straighten your crew out OP. Them corners don't run themselves you knows.

TheZohanS

Ciaran B wrote: »

Contact the Garda ombudsman.

Yeah that would be a laugh.


OP you should have told the Garda that you already have a boyfriend, like in the ad on tv.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Answer him in gaelic, its his tough sh*t if he doesn't understand.

And if he's one of our new Chinese guards you'll be making Degsy's day.

But in reality your probably a teen with a lot of attitude, most are.

Next time give him what he (or she) wants and be on your way, because believe it or not our guards have better things to be doing than stopping and questioning random people.

Porkpie

I think we're not hearing the full story here.

seamus

gcollins09 wrote: »

Obviously, I'm not going to give him those.

...because? Because he's the man, man?

The Gardai are here for your protection. If you treat them like idiots, they'll do likewise, and rightly so.

DazMarz

DazMarz wrote: »

The boys in blue just love that... LOVE IT. Try and get a rise outta you, and then when they succeed, kick you square.

Never, ever, get lippy with the polis, cos they will fúck you up.

Am I the only one who read this in the voice of Samuel L Jackson?

Sean Quagmire

and I thought Rodney King got a raw deal thats simply shocking OP....!

http://iwanticewater.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/rodney-king.jpg

Porkpie

Porkpie wrote: »

I think we're not hearing the full story here.

Do you think he's telling porkpies?

ItsNoAlias

Congrats, your a man now. isnt getting hauled off to the station a coming of age thing for most people these days?:rolleyes:

Warfi

Sean Quagmire wrote: »

and I thought Rodney King got a raw deal thats simply shocking OP....!

http://iwanticewater.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/rodney-king.jpg

Ah come on, that whole Rodney King deal was totally disproved by the 'magic baton' theory. Officer Coon, Officer Big Balls and Officer Keep Darkie Down were acquitted of all charges

(Thank you Mr Hicks)

Long Onion

OP, you conveniently forgot to mention the fact that you happened to have your mickey sticking through the railings of a school for children with learning disabilities at the time.

Yours etc,

Fachtna Murphy.

eman66

Stoppen. Ihre Papiere bitte.

arybvtcw0eolkf

jhegarty

foinse wrote: »

has the power to arrest you under section 24 Criminal Justice(Public Order) Act 1994....

Doesn't that presume the guard caught the op doing something illegal ?

5starpool

What kind of super genius did you think you were being by not giving your details? Did you think you could put him off your scent by saying "No Thank You"? I bet all those killers/rapists/scumbags wish they had thought of this genius tactic.

If you weren't acting like the hardman (or hardwoman) in the first place then you would only have had to be slightly puzzled why a guard was asking you your details, but instead you were left to stew in self made injustice juices.

Did the prhase "I wish I had told him my details" never enter your head at any point?

source

jhegarty wrote: »

Doesn't that person the guard caught the op doing something illegal ?

Huh???? what are you trying to say here it's unintelligible.

5starpool

foinse wrote: »

Huh???? what are you trying to say here it's unintelligible.

Replace the word "person" with te word "presume" and it make more sense. That would be my guess anyhow.

Biggins

Op, with the greatest of respect, if thats the most unfair thing that has happened to you, I honestly hope you continue to live such a lucky life.

jhegarty

5starpool wrote: »

Replace the word "person" with te word "presume" and it make more sense. That would be my guess anyhow.

Well done.

AnonoBoy

Biggins is right OP. If you think that was the most unfair thing ever there's 11 lads who wear green jerseys I think you should talk to.

drkpower

betafrog wrote: »

Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act, 1994

You should read the whole section;).

That provision (offence to comply with a direction) only applies to a direction given under that section which specifically applies to a number of specific of public order offences and "loitering" etc.... If we are to believe the OP, who was doing 'nothing':rolleyes::D, the Garda doesnt have any lawful authority to be given his name and address (under that Act anyway, and at all, afaik).

In any case, OP, if you happen to get picked on by random Gardai when you are 'doing nothing', you might want to have a look at your general attitude and demeanour because you must be doing something wrong to attract this disgraceful and unwarranted attention:rolleyes:.

IvyTheTerrible

I think the OP is taking the piss of the guy that was on the Joe Duffy show yesterday bitching about his "maltreatment" by the police.

AnonoBoy

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I think the OP is taking the piss of the guy that was on the Joe Duffy show yesterday bitching about his "maltreatment" by the police.

That's a bit too subtle for After Hours.

Zynks

5starpool wrote: »

Replace the word "person" with te word "presume" and it make more sense. That would be my guess anyhow.

Well done, sounds right, but how the hell did you conclude that?

source

replacing person with presume makes sense, and yes i believe i made that point in my post.

You may have fitted the description of someone he was looking for, and by refusing to give your name he has the power to arrest you under section 24 Criminal Justice(Public Order) Act 1994....and trust me, it almost definitely wasn't for no reason whatsoever, I can almost guarantee that you did or were doing something which either someone complained about or the garda saw, and this was his reason for stopping you in the first place, if you had given your name and address he probably would have told you to watch what you were doing, and let you on your way.

and the legislation i posted is :

24.—(1) Where a member of the Garda Síochána finds any person committing an offence under a relevant provision, the member may arrest such person without warrant.
[GA]

(2) Where a member of the Garda Síochána is of the opinion that an offence has been committed under a relevant provision, the member may—
[GA]

( a ) demand the name and address of any person whom the member suspects, with reasonable cause, has committed, or whom the member finds committing, such an offence, and
[GA]

( b ) arrest without warrant any such person who fails or refuses to give his name and address when demanded, or gives a name or address which the member has reasonable grounds for believing is false or misleading.
[GA]

(3) Any person who fails or refuses to give his name and address when demanded by virtue of subsection (2), or gives a name or address when so demanded which is false or misleading, shall be guilty of an offence.
[GA]

(4) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (3) shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £500 or to a term of imprisonment not exceeding 6 months or to both.
[GA]

(5) In this section "relevant provision" means section 4, 6, 7, 8, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 or 19.

--Kaiser--

By rights the Guarda has to tell you under what sections of what criminal act he is questioning you.

But.....

It'd be easier just to tell him as a huge amount of them are arseholes

Wossack

shoulda told him that you pay his wages and that he should be out catching real criminals....

oh wait, it kinda sounds like you did :eek: people only say that as a joke..!

the_barfly1

Yeah a Garda can only really request your details when they have suspected that you may have committed a criminal offence, and must give details of such while questioning you...
Them be the laws... But im guessing ya were walking around like Richard Ashcroft in the video for BitterSweet Symphony...so.. maybe pull the poker outa your hole and tone down on the attitude (i too had a ****ty attitude in my school days, and it didnt do me any favours)

4zn76tysfajdxp

gcollins09 wrote: »

Long time lurker, first time poster.

No you're not.

drkpower

betafrog wrote: »

Loitering: To stand or wait around idly or without apparent purpose

And for everyone else, the full section from the act,

8.—(1) Where a member of the Garda Síochána finds a person in a public place and suspects, with reasonable cause, that such person—
( a ) is or has been acting in a manner contrary to the provisions of section 4, 5, 6, 7 or 9, or
( b ) without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, is acting in a manner which consists of loitering in a public place in circumstances, which may include the company of other persons, that give rise to a reasonable apprehension for the safety of persons or the safety of property or for the maintenance of the public peace, the member may direct the person so suspected to do either or both of the following, that is to say:
(i) desist from acting in such a manner, and
(ii) leave immediately the vicinity of the place concerned in a peaceable or orderly manner.
(2) It shall be an offence for any person, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, to fail to comply with a direction given by a member of the Garda Síochána under this section.
(3) A person who is guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £500 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

Again, read the act. The Garda cant issue a direction where someone is just standing around!! There needs to be an extra element re: public safety/order. So, if you are genuinely 'minding your own business' the Garda cant reallly do much.

Read the bit you posted yourself, the bit I bolded above.