Parnevik on Tiger

Mister Sifter

Ryder Cup ace Jesper Parnevik has broken ranks by launching a scathing attack on Tiger Woods.

World No.1 Woods was forced to issue an apology on Wednesday for letting his "family down" following a series of allegations over his private life.

The speculation has mounted after the 33-year-old was involved in a one-car accident outside his Florida home in the early hours of November 27 and required hospital treatment for facial lacerations, cuts and bruises.

And while a number of players have rallied around Woods, Swedish golfer Parnevik, a three-time member of the European Ryder Cup side, has been angered by what has gone on.

The 44-year-old has claimed he only has sympathy for Woods' wife Elin particularly as he introduced the former model to the 14-time major winner.

Parnevik told the Golf Channel: "I feel especially sad about it as I feel sorry for Elin as me and my wife are at fault for hooking her up with him. We probably thought he was a better guy than he is

"I probably would have to apologise to her and hope she uses a driver next time rather than a three-iron, I would say.

"It is a private thing, of course. But when you are the guy he is, when you are the world's best athlete, you should think little bit more before you do stuff."

swingking

STFU Parnevik

Why did he have to go say that now

Trekker09

Obviously his loyalty lies with Tiggers misses, and I agree with him to a degree.

powerfade

Ya I saw that interview last night on TV. In fairness Parnevik seems like a pretty stand up guy and probably is feeling genuinely sorry he introduced them. She was his kids nanny so would have known her well. As well as this you can be pretty sure the guys on tour would have known what was going on with Tiger or had some inkling of the situation. Time to take off the blinkers, Tiger ain't all he has portrayed to be.

HermitHorace

Yes, obviously Parnevik feels very protective of her but at the same time, she has her own family now and despite what Woods has got himself into, I don't think these comments , while understandable, are justified.

swingking

HermitHorace wrote: »

Yes, obviously Parnevik feels very protective of her but at the same time, she has her own family now and despite what Woods has got himself into, I don't think these comments , while understandable, are justified.

That's exactly my point. I don't have much respect for Tiger after what happened, but it's not Parnevik's place to say this. Bad form IMO

Trekker09

swingking wrote: »

That's exactly my point. I don't have much respect for Tiger after what happened, but it's not Parnevik's place to say this. Bad form IMO

To me, it shows that Jasper has the balls to stand up and be counted. If the accusations are true, then Tiger, who has built a reputation and substantial fortune based on his image, has no problem being everybody's darling as long as the cash registers are chinging, and therefore lies the problem, Tiger is sorry, but more than likely sorrier for getting caught out. I'm sure that a lot of his fellow golfers will offer their support, but let's not forget his wife,the mother of his two chlidren. It must be some comfort to her that someone has stepped out and sympathised with her situation.

And Jasper is also the damned coolest guy swinging a club

f22

I agree with his sentiments, but lets face it he rattled some other bird(s), he didn't beat his wife, or didn't abuse his children.

It happens every day of the week in every walk of life, and I don't condone that either. I feel sorry for the wife but I think Parnevik took his comments to the extreme.

I can think of 300,000,000 reasons that will help Elin get over the damage he caused!

powerfade

swingking wrote: »

That's exactly my point. I don't have much respect for Tiger after what happened, but it's not Parnevik's place to say this. Bad form IMO

IMO bad form by Tiger surely. Jasper was asked a question and answered it, he has a personal involvement in this issue and isn't it great to see a sportsperson actually answer a question honestly about how he is feeling rather than some bullsh!t cliches?

Kevinmarkham

I really struggle with this whole thing. No one can admire a man who cheats on his wife - has it actually been confirmed what he did with this other woman? - but it's his private life and we have no idea what drove him to do it. For all we know it could have been hell at home. The important word here is 'private'. Unfortunately, being the famous athlete he is, the media have turned the water red in their bloodbath frenzy, and that has sickened me.

As for Parnevik, I agree with powerfade that he had guts to speak up, but to say that he's sorry he introduced them is naive - it's not like he had a crystal ball.

HermitHorace

TBH, I doubt these comments will make the headlines in the Woods household at the moment.

Will be interesting to see what happens when they run into each other in the tour next year.

I suppose Woods could always ask Parnevik to hook him up again

Daithio9

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Ryder Cup ace Jesper Parnevik has broken ranks by launching a scathing attack on Tiger Woods.

Where would we be without the dramatics of the modern media?.
I saw the interview last night and while Parneviks comments may have been a little hasty and naive, they are anything but an attack on Woods.

jonas7

Daithio9 wrote: »

Where would we be without the dramatics of the modern media?.
I saw the interview last night and while Parneviks comments may have been a little hasty and naive, they are anything but an attack on Woods.

Disagree with you there,if it wasnt an attack on him then what was it?While Tiger was way out of line with his antics i feel Parnevik should have said his piece to Tiger himself and not broadcast his views to the world.

misty floyd

He hardly said anything out of line in my opinion:

Parnevik told the Golf Channel: "I feel especially sad about it as I feel sorry for Elin as me and my wife are at fault for hooking her up with him. We probably thought he was a better guy than he is

"I probably would have to apologise to her and hope she uses a driver next time rather than a three-iron, I would say.

"It is a private thing, of course. But when you are the guy he is, when you are the world's best athlete, you should think little bit more before you do stuff."

The 7iron V driver was just a bit of tongue and cheek. Life would be boring if people couldn't share their opinions on things. Parnevik's comments are not the issue. I bet Tiger would agree with every word Parnevik said right now.

Whyner

f22 wrote: »

I can think of 300,000,000 reasons that will help Elin get over the damage he caused!

I presume you're referring to what he's worth? How is something she already had going to help her?

Parnevik should have spoken to Tiger and not the public IMO

Aidric

swingking wrote: »

STFU Parnevik

Why did he have to go say that now

Eh? The man was asked for his opinion and he gave it. Are you suggesting he should be gagged?

ant043

What business does parnevik have making comments about tiger wood's wife or his private life ? Its none of his business. Frankly i find this whole media circus into his life and indiscretions disgusting. It's a matter between him and his family. Just because he is a world superstar doesn't mean that the whole world can pry into private life. Anyway the only reason for parneviks comment is to raise his profile and get a bit of media exposure. It must be tough being a second rate has-been golfer. The whole incident doesn't bother me too much too be honest. I'll always be a massive supporter of his talent and skill on the golf course. The man is the greatest to have ever played the game in my opinion. If he left the pga tour tomorrow and set up his own golf tour, The majority of players and sponsors would join him. The media will need to stop this disgusting invasion of privacy, otherwise we might see the day when he does quit come sooner rather than later. Personally i think when he does reach 19 majors in the next few years he'll retire and leave the game of golf forever. Golf will be a far poorer game without him.

Osgoodisgood

Kevinmarkham wrote: »

I really struggle with this whole thing. No one can admire a man who cheats on his wife - has it actually been confirmed what he did with this other woman?

Other than supplying us with pics I think there's little room for doubt!

- but it's his private life and we have no idea what drove him to do it. For all we know it could have been hell at home. The important word here is 'private'.

Does anyone have an interest in why he did it?

Unfortunately, being the famous athlete he is, the media have turned the water red in their bloodbath frenzy, and that has sickened me.

The media are trying to sell papers and increase viewership so they can sell more ads. It is no doubt an ugly business but we all knew that before these events, and of course we could change the business by just not purchasing the publications in question! Is it conceivable that the media (redtop and other) are going to ignore a story of the world's most famous sportsman getting beaten up by his wife? Would they further ignore Woods making a twisted mess of his carefully constructed image by first denying, then admitting, and finally blaming the media?

As for Parnevik, I agree with powerfade that he had guts to speak up, but to say that he's sorry he introduced them is naive - it's not like he had a crystal ball.

Parnevik gave his opinion when asked for it. He clearly is not intimidated by Woods. Good for him.

paddydriver

ant043 wrote: »

What business does parnevik have making comments about tiger wood's wife or his private life ? Its none of his business. Frankly i find this whole media circus into his life and indiscretions disgusting. It's a matter between him and his family.

You need to remember who makes him a world superstar - the media. They can give it to you and take it away just as quick.

paddydriver

paddydriver wrote: »

You need to remember who makes him a world superstar - the media. They can give it to you and take it away just as quick.

I think Tiger's golfing ability might have had something to do with it as well. Just a bit like :rolleyes:

RGS

Parnevik feels some responsibilty as he introduced Elin to Tiger.

I agree with his sentiments i would also feel this way if a friend of mine was treated this way.

fryup

is Woods liked amongst the other pros??

or is he seen as stand-offish spoilt brat?

stockdam

Kevinmarkham wrote: »

but it's his private life and we have no idea what drove him to do it. For all we know it could have been hell at home.

It's his private life but there's no justification for anyone committing adultery. If you are in a failing marriage then end it.......don't sneak off like a rat behind somebody's back.

MisterAnarchy

Trekker09 wrote: »

To me, it shows that Jasper has the balls to stand up and be counted. If the accusations are true, then Tiger, who has built a reputation and substantial fortune based on his image, has no problem being everybody's darling as long as the cash registers are chinging, and therefore lies the problem, Tiger is sorry, but more than likely sorrier for getting caught out.

I concur.
The guy was caught rotten last week crashing his car.
He thought he could get away clean as a whistle with some cock and bull story.
When that wasnt working he hired one of the sleaziest lawyers in the States,the Johnny Cochrane of Florida to issue some vague messages on his website .
Woods is entitled to his privacy but he shouldnt treat people as idiots.
Parnevik was dead right to speak up,Woods has been getting away with murder on the tour over the last few years and nobody has the guts to speak up.

Mister Sifter

Kevinmarkham wrote: »

I really struggle with this whole thing. No one can admire a man who cheats on his wife - has it actually been confirmed what he did with this other woman? - but it's his private life and we have no idea what drove him to do it. For all we know it could have been hell at home. The important word here is 'private'. Unfortunately, being the famous athlete he is, the media have turned the water red in their bloodbath frenzy, and that has sickened me.

As for Parnevik, I agree with powerfade that he had guts to speak up, but to say that he's sorry he introduced them is naive - it's not like he had a crystal ball.

I don't agree that just because a guy cheats on his wife that he should be all of sudden treated like a leper. It's not as though he's killed anyone.

The media frenzy is more than a little sickening though. The most galling this is that the media actually want it to be true. They want Tiger to have done as much wrong as possible. Why? Because if there was no story, there would be nothing to report. No easy front page stories, no cheap headlines, no discussion. I'd say the News of the World's of the world are just licking their lips at the possibilities of some kiss and tells.

Unfortunately, it looks like they've scratched the surface and found that there's a hell of a lot there for them to chew on. I've a funny feeling we've heard the last from Tiger on the situation though. As Loft said earlier this week, the walls will now go up big time.

A big part of me thinks he's right to do so. He has always been a very private person and this type of thing doesn't really need to be known by anyone. Then again, it's not a case of need to know, it's 'want' to know.

It's probably a discussion for the media forum, but is there a case that Tiger's right to keep all this out the media is lost because his family man image is something he has used to further his career? Personally i don't think so, but I guess the sun editor would disagree.

Mister Sifter

Just reading some of the crap doin the rounds in the american media that Woods and his wife are having numerous marriage counselling sessions a day. Also that he has given her $5m to stay with him, while she's demanded a revised pre-nup. The current one is reportedly staggered over the length of the marriage.

It's obviously just paper talk, but it makes it all sound like a business deal rather than a marriage. Horrible stuff.

jimjo

I must admit I find this discussion rather amusing on the golf forum, affairs aren’t often spoken about on here, normally its how did your round go or where to did you get your latest bit of equipment.

The last really big sport star affair that reached the magnitude of Tigers in the media was David Beckham’s so called relationship with Rebecca Loo’s. After, people said even if Beckham did or didn’t do it, his brand image would fall significantly and that companies wouldn’t want to touch him with a barge poll. This proved incorrect as Beckham like Woods is a global brand, success on the pitch and all is forgiven. Let Woods ride (no pun intended) this whole thing out and give him a couple of months and the Nike/Gillette/Woods team will successfully put a positive spin on his come back.

In relation to Parnevik’s comments, I wish he would get a grip, how was he to know Tiger was going to have an affair. There’s no denying what Woods did was wrong and this is not to justify the situation but he’s not the first man to have an affair and he won’t be the last. Something is obviously wrong in their relationship and that’s up to them to fix, however their not helped with the media poking its nasty oar into proceedings. I’m dreading what the Sunday papers are going to be like already with every feminist journalist ready & willing to take a swing (pun intended) at Tiger. The media are in heaven right now.

In_tuition

Wonder what Earl is making of all this :rolleyes:

Right now he is the biggest failure on the planet purely because the media over the years have portrayed him as being this hero who is untouchable and perfect. Has Tiger sold himself to us as one thing but yet he's another or has the media over the course of the years made him into something that he isn't. His relationship with the media has been so fragile over the years it's no wonder they are coming down heavy on him now.

Tiger isn't the hero he has been portrayed as, he never wanted to be I don't think. He wanted to be the greatest golfer in the world ever

We all love moralizing over sins that we only wish we were in a position to commit ourselves :rolleyes:

Think everyone should give the dude a break

ant043

I can definitely see a tiger grandslam in 2010. The man has a massive point to prove and will let his golf do the talking. I can only see this motivating him more in the next year. Masters is at augusta as usual. Us open in pebble beach where he won by 15 shots. British open at st andrews a course that is basically set up for him and finally the uspga where he is usually always in contention. Yep i think the golfing stars are pointing towards an historic year.

Parnevik is an attention seeking prat in my opinion. He has no class to come out to media and speak in public about tigers marital status. If he had any decency he would have said it to the his face.

kippy

ant043 wrote: »

I can definitely see a tiger grandslam in 2010. The man has a massive point to prove and will let his golf do the talking. I can only see this motivating him more in the next year. Masters is at augusta as usual. Us open in pebble beach where he won by 15 shots. British open at st andrews a course that is basically set up for him and finally the uspga where he is usually always in contention. Yep i think the golfing stars are pointing towards an historic year.

Parnevik is an attention seeking prat in my opinion. He has no class to come out to media and speak in public about tigers marital status. If he had any decency he would have said it to the his face.

He may have said it to his face, who knows?

Trekker09

Parnevik is an attention seeking prat in my opinion. He has no class to come out to media and speak in public about tigers marital status. If he had any decency he would have said it to the his face.

Wrong! He was asked a question and gave an honest answer. He didn't comment on their marital status but on the situation that has evolved and his regret at introducing them. Think of it, he is in a perfect position comment. He was great pals with Tiger and Elin, and I'm sure they are still in regular contact. You are also assuming that Jasper hasn't said anything to Woods. Jasper has loads of class IMHO, he's a bit quirky, but has brought a level of individuality to our beloved game.

Mister Sifter

Had to laugh when i read the front page of one of the tabloids this morning... "Tiger was horrible in bed". It took the girl 31 TIMES apparently to work that out.

abouttobebanned

You'd be amazed at the amount of Golfers who despise Woods. They know what he has done for the game and their pockets but they have so much resent for him...something like this is a great opportunity for a lot of them to come out from behind that wall of forced respect.

conno16

ant043 wrote: »

I can definitely see a tiger grandslam in 2010.

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sports illustrated reckon he might actually take 2010 off
depends on what Elin does next i suppose
as greg norman found out recently, divorce can be good for your game
particularly when you have to cough up a couple of hundred million

ant043

conno16 wrote: »

sports illustrated reckon he might actually take 2010 off
depends on what Elin does next i suppose
as greg norman found out recently, divorce can be good for your game
particularly when you have to cough up a couple of hundred million

well if that happens and he does take an extended break golf will be back to just being boring. If its true that most players don't like him then it's just jealousy. Nick Faldo had the same problem even if he was only a quarter of the player Tiger is.

Mister Sifter

conno16 wrote: »

sports illustrated reckon he might actually take 2010 off
depends on what Elin does next i suppose
as greg norman found out recently, divorce can be good for your game
particularly when you have to cough up a couple of hundred million

Harrington might have a chance of winning a couple more majors then...

conno16

who knows, even shane lowry might contest the final day at augusta

no chance of him being at the centre of a national enquirer scandal
unless it involves a record consumption of burgers, hotdogs etc

f22

ant043 wrote: »

Nick Faldo had the same problem even if he was only a quarter of the player Tiger is.

Nick Faldo was and is disliked because he was/is an ignorant, self obsessed pr1ck

ant043

f22 wrote: »

Nick Faldo was and is disliked because he was/is an ignorant, self obsessed pr1ck

nope he was just successful. I met him at british open when tiger last won at st andrews. I think i was 16 at the time and i couldn't have met a nicer down to earth person. During practice round he signed autographs, chatted to people and posed for photographs no problem at all.

f22

ant043 wrote: »

nope he was just successful. I met him at british open when tiger last won at st andrews. I think i was 16 at the time and i couldn't have met a nicer down to earth person. During practice round he signed autographs, chatted to people and posed for photographs no problem at all.

Maybe you were lucky, but friendliness and charm are not qualities he is known for, and that's always been widely repoerted unfortunately.

Mister Sifter

ant043 wrote: »

nope he was just successful. I met him at british open when tiger last won at st andrews. I think i was 16 at the time and i couldn't have met a nicer down to earth person. During practice round he signed autographs, chatted to people and posed for photographs no problem at all.

I asked him for an autograph in Loch Lomond when i was about 16 or so. I was with a cousin who was only 13 or so at the time. He pointed to a bandage on his wrist and said "this isn't on for nothing you know". Being a cheeky young scamp i said: "what about your other hand"... his reply was "bugger off". The only player all day who refused.

Lovely guy.

PhilipMarlowe

Guys, the personal opinions on other golfers are all fine and dandy but the personal abuse is not. The charter here on abuse extends to public figures, but ye already knew that, right?