Do people generally want to go back home to Ireland?

brendansmith

I dont. I way prefer Australia but have to go home an finish studies after which im applying for Australian residency.

What about you lot?

hussey

brendansmith wrote: »

I dont. I way prefer Australia but have to go home an finish studies after which im applying for Australian residency.

What about you lot?

I do, I've been here 4 years and I miss it, family mates, sense of humour etc, but I have no intention of going, as the country just seems to be in dismay, no jobs, no trust, no money.

and pints are still like $9-11! There is so much more going for Australia, but I still miss it.

Maybe my 4weeks over xmas will sort out my homesickness

shane86

As said in the other thread i cant think of one paddy here who has any intention of going home. Some of the girls maybe, but certainly not lads. Cant even think of one lad who has permamently left at the 2nd year end, all either illegal, student visa, or on a holiday visa.

Mellor

I don't, if I don't get my second year, i'll be very disappointed

Mr Yellow

ME again... DONT COME BACK to this f**king place, after a sunday nite on the beer, pathetis to say the least. If you have a choice, choose correctly...for your own livlihood...or even common sense

I'd give up women to go back to OZ..& that is a lot in my book!!!! (well, for a month anyway)

Claasman

I miss it alot more than i thought i would. Friends, family, the craic, etc. But i know i would be on the dole if i had stayed at home or else be working part time. And i couldnt hack that. Speaking to other irish people here and in aus, going home seems to be a last resort aswell.

Vorsprung

I've only been here 4 months, and the plan was only to stay a year, but I've already decided that I'm gonna try to stay. I'm on a 457 so lucky that once I have a job I'm sorted. My gf is moving out next month so apart from family, who've already told me not to bother coming home because it's so sh!t, there isn't much there for me at home.

Rabies

I like it here.

Not like the NZ pay levels, but i get by ok. So not too worried.

But I prefer living here to Ireland.
Better weather and people.

I've been home three times in three years. So I still see family here and there. Next trip is xmas 2010.

brendansmith

Vorsprung wrote: »

I'm on a 457 so lucky that once I have a job I'm sorted.

457 is a work sponsered visa, if you dont have a job you dont have that visa.

Maybe im not understanding you.

hussey

brendansmith wrote: »

457 is a work sponsered visa, if you dont have a job you dont have that visa.

Maybe im not understanding you.

he could be sponsored by an agency ... but generally yes you need a job to start with!

Vorsprung

brendansmith wrote: »

457 is a work sponsered visa, if you dont have a job you dont have that visa.

Maybe im not understanding you.

Yea I do have a job, so I am sorted!

brendansmith

Gotcha!

Jesus, its a terrible situation really isnt it. I would love if it wasnt in such a bad situation. If i could comfortable go home finish my studies and get a job and start working towards saving to come back over on permanent residency but it seams that once you go home you are stuck there on the dole with no room to move due to lack of funds or prospects.

myhorse

brendansmith wrote: »

Gotcha!

Jesus, its a terrible situation really isnt it. I would love if it wasnt in such a bad situation. If i could comfortable go home finish my studies and get a job and start working towards saving to come back over on permanent residency but it seams that once you go home you are stuck there on the dole with no room to move due to lack of funds or prospects.

there in lies the rub. No job = no work experience which you need for residency.
At least if your profession isnt on the csl its looking like 2012 before they are processing premanent residency. So if you were working back home you would have to wait anyways but if your not working it will be a tough one.

Xavi6

If Ireland had Australia's weather and lifestyle then I'd definitely be at home. However it doesn't, and the whole recession thing is a bit of buzz killer so I really don't understand how anyone could possibly prefer to be there at the moment.

hussey

Xavi6 wrote: »

If Ireland had Australia's weather and lifestyle then I'd definitely be at home.

but then it wouldn't be Ireland! I think a reason for our famous sense of humour/fun is partly to do with the weather

watna

Yep, fully plan on heading back in two or three years when my OH finishes his PhD. I like living in New Zealand but prefer home. Once we settle down I'll want my family around. My OH is not really close to his family so it doesn't make sense for us to settle here.

No point going back earlier than that though. I have a good job here and am getting some good experience. It was a good time to go away for a few years but it was never going to be forever.

unreggd

I'm just here til June/July
Headin home, gettin some Euro travel in then startin back to college in September
I think if I didnt have college to go back to I'd stay here, but it's not a place I'd wanna live for good anyways [althought neither is Ireland. Europe ftw!!]

My brother is in Sydney on a student visa, doin all he can to stay, but I dont know why
All he does it work all week, 4am start, then go the pub on a saturday

Oz is like Marmite, ye'll either love it [and "get" it] or hate it

If I wanna come back Ill just get a student visa and do some TAFE
And there's always NZ!.....

Doc

Not sure... I've been here 6 months on my WHV and the company I work for are swapping me onto another contract (they have two different companies one deals with residential developments the other commercial) they have been talking about sponsoring me but I don't know for sure if I want to be tied to a job that I'm happy enough to do while trying to live it up knowing I have to go home but knowing that I would be staying and doing it for a couple of years... I'm not so sure. On the other hand I know theres f all work at home so dont know what to do really.

Im thinking Ill stay but Ill want to try and get a good bit of time off to see Aus as I was going to travel at the end of the Visa.

unreggd

Thats it

I'd rather have my year bein able to move around

The residency route would be not stop work etc, with any holidays prob be used to go home
and flights home would spinge all your savings

I'm not arsed sacrificing 4/5 years just to stay here for good

mandrake04

hussey wrote: »

Maybe my 4weeks over xmas will sort out my homesickness

Hussey I went home in Xmas 2006 after 2 years absence and couldn't wait to get back to Oz, I found 3 weeks too long.... Its good to go home see the folks and that everything is just the same.... I actually felt more homesick in Ireland than in Australia.

Enjoy that feeling of landing back in OZ again.... it feels like the first time again.... Exciting

shane86 wrote: »

As said in the other thread i cant think of one paddy here who has any intention of going home. Some of the girls maybe, but certainly not lads. Cant even think of one lad who has permamently left at the 2nd year end, all either illegal, student visa, or on a holiday visa.

One of my best friends went back to Ireland after being illegal for 6 years in order to get his ENS PR visa, he couldn't face going illegal for the rest of his life and took the plunge to go straight. His Nomination was approved a few weeks ago and he is just waiting for the allocation of a case officer.

brendansmith wrote: »

Gotcha!

Jesus, its a terrible situation really isnt it. I would love if it wasnt in such a bad situation. If i could comfortable go home finish my studies and get a job and start working towards saving to come back over on permanent residency but it seams that once you go home you are stuck there on the dole with no room to move due to lack of funds or prospects.

Many people go home with the intention of returning and just get stuck in a rut.... it takes a strong mind to take the PR plunge from over there!!

BarryCreed

mandrake04 wrote: »

Many people go home with the intention of returning and just get stuck in a rut.... it takes a strong mind to take the PR plunge from over there!!

nail on the head.

CiaranC

Dunno what you are all finding so great about Oz. Its alright, bit like a sunny England really. Have you guys lived in a range of places, or just Ireland and Oz?

myhorse

mandrake04 wrote: »

Many people go home with the intention of returning and just get stuck in a rut.... it takes a strong mind to take the PR plunge from over there!!

Did it that way myself. Found it easier than the alternative. Atleast at home you can "set it and forget it". Just apply and sit out a long wait. When it does eventually come through you can validate and forget it for another 5 years before making the move. Although it does take a strong mind not to be dreaming your time away while waiting and forgetting to live.

I would not have been able to handle being in Aus and stuck with an employer who had a hold over me or needing to meet other criteria. I couldnt handle being beholden to anyone regarding getting to stay on. Some are lucky with a good company or somesuch but too much of a risk for me.

The study route is also full of danger. Expensive and they can change the rules at the last minute when you have forked out a fortune.

I have citizenship (probably mentioned that a million times) but unless I am living out rural in the next 3 years I cant see myself staying. Am bound to Sydney for now but long term would love to get a few acres and anice home. I turned down a sweet number in Mudgee a few weeks back as the timing wasnt right but if I am not rural in 3 yrs or so would head back to Ireland.

On a side note I do feel sorry for anyone heading back and not entitled to the dole. Things are merde with a capital s back home and really no end in sight. if you are thinking of heading out and satisfy the following criteria
a) entitled to the dole for a while yet
b)will still be eligible for whv when the dole runs out
stay in ireland. Controversial but hey

Xavi6

CiaranC wrote: »

Dunno what you are all finding so great about Oz. Its alright, bit like a sunny England really. Have you guys lived in a range of places, or just Ireland and Oz?

Lived in Ireland, Chicago and Perth.

All three have their plus points, but both Perth and Chi-town were very easy to settle into in terms of lifestyle. I prefer the warmer weather as well and that's probably the biggest reason I don't want to be at home right now.

Diamondmaker

Nah, Im staying.

Im currently in a pair of shorts, on my balcony, with Brizzy river and city views living in a place I could not afford to live in at home.

Life is great, in the smaller cities cost of living is far less than Dublin and luckily enough in certain areas the skill shortage means you can get paid more here too!

last w/e was at a pool party and went for a massive cycle, tonight just back from rugby.

ALL of the above I did not do back home, my wife and I have a had a massive lifestyle change and we can do all the thigns here that so often weather and over pricedness prevented at home. ( eg. oysters every Fri )

writetojd

I'd much prefer to stay than go home but unless sponsorship magically happens I'll be heading home next year when my visa expires. I'll hopefully be applying for Canada once I get home because the thoughts of actually living in Ireland scares me the way things are, no hope of work in my career and no funding if I wanna go back to college.
Fingers crossed I get a decent job and they want to keep me around.

seachto7

Diamondmaker wrote: »

Nah, Im staying.

Im currently in a pair of shorts, on my balcony, with Brizzy river and city views living in a place I could not afford to live in at home.

Life is great, in the smaller cities cost of living is far less than Dublin and luckily enough in certain areas the skill shortage means you can get paid more here too!

last w/e was at a pool party and went for a massive cycle, tonight just back from rugby.

ALL of the above I did not do back home, my wife and I have a had a massive lifestyle change and we can do all the thigns here that so often weather and over pricedness prevented at home. ( eg. oysters every Fri )

not picking holes, but you can do all of those things in Ireland, maybe not in Dublin. I see your point though...

JONJO THE MISER

Yeah im gonna go home after my first year if i make it that far, i dont really like Aus and there culture, prefer Ireland any day, and the work holiday visa is just one big scam to help get more money into Aus.

Jumpy

Xavi6 wrote: »

I really don't understand how anyone could possibly prefer to be there at the moment.

*cries on Xavis shoulder*

603304529

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Yeah im gonna go home after my first year if i make it that far, i dont really like Aus and there culture, prefer Ireland any day, and the work holiday visa is just one big scam to help get more money into Aus.

You're a funny one Jonjo. I've never seen you write anything positive about Oz. Why don't you just come back to Ireland?? There's plenty of misery to share: wind, rain, flooding, financial crisis, abuse reports, swine flu scaremongering, etc.

JONJO THE MISER

603304529 wrote: »

You're a funny one Jonjo. I've never seen you write anything positive about Oz. Why don't you just come back to Ireland?? There's plenty of misery to share: wind, rain, flooding, financial crisis, abuse reports, swine flu scaremongering, etc.

Sounds great. Your right i dont have many things positive to say about Aus cause i think its overrated, drinking in a pub is so expensive its unreal thus i dont go to pubs anymore, the food is horrible except for the steaks, i dunno Aus is not for me. Id prefer raining Ireland any day where at leasr i can afford to have a few drinks and have a good variety of food.

603304529

So get takeaway beers - a carton of 24 heavy beers can be had for 30 bucks - 18 euros or so.

Get some steak, fresh salad and bread, buy a cheap barbie, get some mates over, and have a good time.

Appreciate the weather dude, I was washing ice off the car this morning in the dark. Its 16:30 now, and the "sun" has gone down over the M50.

Daithio

It's rotten here at the moment. I swear it was pretty much dark today in London at 3.40pm. Pissing rain and absolutely freezing. I've had the heating on full blast for 2 hours and still shivering!

I can understand people not falling in love with Aus or whatever, but I really can't understand when people say they absolutely hate it and really miss Irish culture. Whoever says that must really have been fcuk all elsewhere in the world, because in reality, Aus and Ireland are pretty damn similar in the grand scheme of things.

And to say that food and beer is more expensive in Aus is just plain wrong.

Zambia

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Sounds great. Your right i dont have many things positive to say about Aus cause i think its overrated,

Who rated it so high? I didnt your argument there is with who fed you the high rating

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

drinking in a pub is so expensive its unreal thus i dont go to pubs anymore,

Yes because in ireland and the rest of the western world beer is free :rolleyes:

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

the food is horrible except for the steaks,

I cook food and its not horrible? I love the food here as I cooked my food back in Ireland it sort of tastes the same.

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

i dunno + Aus is not for me.

Both true statements

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Id prefer raining Ireland any day

That is really all you need to say, you dont have to convince anyone here Australia is crap. Its not in essence its just not for you. Ireland's not crap either but its not for me.

I for one love Aus and I get a little defensive when people slag it off. The funny thing is I cant pinpiont why I love living here but then again I dont have to.

TheCandystripes

australis sound ok but its not better than france where i lived since i was a born. both my rents are irish but damn living in paris and then comparing with dublin it sucks:mad:

brendansmith

I think the food here is very good and healthy generally, alot healthier than back home. Maybe my eating habits have change though

strathspey

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

, the food is horrible except for the steaks,

You have got to be kidding! What is Irish cusine? Thank god for the influx of foreigners into Ireland in the last 10 years who brought with them a variety of cuisines thus enriching the dining out experience. The Irish palatte has got to be one of the blandest palattes on the planet. Irish stew, beef or salmon, you can stick it!

eringobragh

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Sounds great. Your right i dont have many things positive to say about Aus cause i think its overrated.

Again It's what you make of a place, alot get stuck in the Bondi trap and may as well stay in Ireland! I was going out to see the Blue Mountains one day and asked one of our Irish Flatmates to come, She replied "Is it just Mountains?" , I replied "What do you expect, a rollercoaster?"

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

drinking in a pub is so expensive its unreal thus i dont go to pubs anymore

WTF , As opposed to Ireland?? schooners can be got for as low as AU$2.50 and jugs for 7-8 bucks in places. Thats works out at about Eur1.50 for a schooner I doubt you'd get a coke in an Irish pub for that.

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

the food is horrible except for the steaks, i dunno Aus is not for me

Where are you eating???? Oportos :P

Again WTF.. there's an abundance of different restaurants... I mean Thai food in Australia tastes the same as Thai food in Ireland..likewise Italian ,etc..and the food I buy in the supermarket or butchers, my beef tastes like beef should, as does my chicken..so maybe you should change where you shop / eat out.

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Id prefer raining Ireland any day where at leasr i can afford to have a few drinks and have a good variety of food.

Again your delussional if you think Ireland is cheaper then Aus, I ALWAYS have money in my pocket here and am on abit less then what I was on in Ireland.

I don't miss the rain too much or the robbing government but I do miss the mates and family!



Remember....Carpe diem

Mr Benevolent

The food is fine here, but Australia is not cheap. It's cheaper than Ireland, but that doesn't mean much.

eringobragh

Confab wrote: »

The food is fine here, but Australia is not cheap. It's cheaper than Ireland, but that doesn't mean much.

I find the people that find it more expensive here is the people who lived at home in Ireland and now have to stick up $1000 + bonds and part with $100 - $200 per week for rent.

Granted it's no where as cheap as whats made out.

brendansmith

eringobragh wrote: »

Where are you eating???? Oportos :P

The chicken in oportos is fowl.

jank

mandrake04 wrote: »

Many people go home with the intention of returning and just get stuck in a rut.... it takes a strong mind to take the PR plunge from over there!!

+ 1 Million. I have heard about a dozen people go on about going back... I am still waiting for the first one to make a move!

jank

Heading back in April for a few weeks only though. Will fit a side trip or 2 on the way as well!

Just one thing that is very important though. People need to prioritize what they want to do. I have head a few people mention that they want to see OZ and not get stuck in a sponsorship or job. If you really hate your job than fine but it might be a means to an end.

What do you want to do. See OZ and then go home to the dole or grin and bear it by working for a year or 2 until things improve at home and then travel when your options are greater?

Don't get me wrong I love travel. I wish I could do it all the time. My intention was to get a RTW in NZ and do china/japan and south America once my visa ran out but the country (Ireland) is on the verge of being taken over by the ECB/IMF. This made me realise how vulnerable I am so applied for residency (Would do that anyway) and took the offer of a 457 visa for OZ..

The outback will be there in a year or 2. Just think seriously about leaving a job and heading home cause you want to travel at least until the $hit storm dies down a bit. Ireland as a state is on the verge of going under due to political and economic mismanagement.

Mr Benevolent

the country (Ireland) is on the verge of being taken over by the ECB/IMF

No it's not. If Irish people stopped believing what they read in the newspaper and hear on TV they'd be far happier and more clued in. And all you're doing is contributing to the lies we're fed.

Doc

jank wrote: »

Just one thing that is very important though. People need to prioritize what they want to do. I have head a few people mention that they want to see OZ and not get stuck in a sponsorship or job. If you really hate your job than fine but it might be a means to an end.

What do you want to do. See OZ and then go home to the dole or grin and bear it by working for a year or 2 until things improve at home and then travel when your options are greater?

Don't get me wrong I love travel. I wish I could do it all the time. My intention was to get a RTW in NZ and do china/japan and south America once my visa ran out but the country (Ireland) is on the verge of being taken over by the ECB/IMF. This made me realise how vulnerable I am so applied for residency (Would do that anyway) and took the offer of a 457 visa for OZ..

The outback will be there in a year or 2. Just think seriously about leaving a job and heading home cause you want to travel at least until the $hit storm dies down a bit. Ireland as a state is on the verge of going under due to political and economic mismanagement.

The situation I am in is that I have an ok job here but it is a step back from what I was doing in London.

Before the property market crashed I knew my job was unstable when I was in London so decided I would save for as long as they didn’t make me redundant and then when it eventually came go traveling (something I had always wanted to do) for as long as I could and hope that the market would recover substantially before I got back.

I did that and traveled around SE Asia for about 4 and a half months then came over here to Melbourne when my money was running low and searched for a job.

I managed to find my current job just before I completely ran out of money so said yes the second they offered it to me. It is not what I want to do every day but it pays well and I wasn’t really in a situation to be picky.

I have been paying a higher rate of tax then I should have been and so will be able to claim back a significant amount at the end of my year working here + my super and whatever I end up having saved if I leave.

My intention was to work the year here then take a flight to NZ spend about 3 weeks there and fly back here on a tourist visa and travel around Australia a bit then fly off to somewhere else in the world.

Now my company is talking about the possibility of sponsorship I am unsure of what I should do. The job is not bad and probably better then what I would find in Ireland at the moment but as I said it is a step back and I have put up with that because I needed a job and thought it was a just temporary stop so I could grin a bare it. If I accept the sponsorship I will be tied to this job and it will be a much more permanent thing.

As I said if they agree to give me some time off to go do some of the things I have looked forward to doing since I came here then I might be tempted to say yes. But I am finding it a very difficult choice at the moment.

Also the travel bug is a tough one to shake and I’m getting itchy feet…

jank

Confab wrote: »

No it's not. If Irish people stopped believing what they read in the newspaper and hear on TV they'd be far happier and more clued in. And all you're doing is contributing to the lies we're fed.

I am not trying to put us down or anything but the facts do not lie. You will see in another thread that I back you where the Irish need to be more positive and stop cribing about the little things that dont matter. That doesn't mean we can hide away from reality.

To some extent the ECB is already running the country. The gave us the loans for NAMA and told Brian Cowen that 4 billion must be cut from the public purse each year for the next 3/4 years (or else raised in taxes!) The budget is due next week which will raise war and that is the tip of the ice berg as the next 3 budgets will be as bad. Alternative, leave the euro and we are on our own. So, Yes Europe to some extent is running Ireland and that influence is only to grow.

We will get out of it but not if the Irish people just accept the status quo, give out to ourselves for being negative slap oursleves on the wrist and continue along the same path that led us to this crux in the first place. A change in mind set and culture needs to happen first THEN we can talk ourselves up.

Reality first, positive attitude then as a positive attitude now only brushes the mistakes of the past under the carpet thus we come about to the same situation. Didn't Lemmas say "Sure we cant find jobs for everyone.." We bucked that trend in the last 15 years but now what??

Have you ever asked yourself how Ireland continually manages to **** it up and by extension the only way to survive is to pretty much export our population. We are supposed to be in the EU and a shining example of what is good about Europe yet here we are 20+ billion in the red this year alone, 50 odd billion for NAMA, almost 500,000 unemployed and the political establishment paralyzed by fear over what to do never mind the other elites like the bankers and clergy going along their merry way as if everything is rosey. Projections are that we will reach GDP to Debt ration of 100% within 3 years unless drastic cuts happen. If that happens ALL bets are off!

To come out of this we need to reach the bottom and realize what we are up against. This aint the 80's. This is a global world where Paddy is competing with Mr Chan and Ms Syaid.

However, I am optimistic that there IS a sea change of attitude in Irish society where especially the younger generation of the future will NOT repeat the same mistakes. This is why I am optimistic for the long term future of Ireland and the Irish people because I hope to live there and die some day. Not in OZ or NZ.

jank

Now my company is talking about the possibility of sponsorship I am unsure of what I should do. The job is not bad and probably better then what I would find in Ireland at the moment but as I said it is a step back and I have put up with that because I needed a job and thought it was a just temporary stop so I could grin a bare it. If I accept the sponsorship I will be tied to this job and it will be a much more permanent thing.

Think long and hard about waving that job goodbye. I have no idea what you do but by the sounds of it you are in property or construction or something like that. If it is then Ireland or even the UK aint looking too good for that now.


But I completely understand about travelling and there is no harm in asking for time off first and then going back to work for them. Win Win

Skittlebrau

Xavi6 wrote: »

Lived in Ireland, Chicago and Perth.

All three have their plus points, but both Perth and Chi-town were very easy to settle into in terms of lifestyle. I prefer the warmer weather as well and that's probably the biggest reason I don't want to be at home right now.

Very similar story here. Lived in Dub 15, Chicago and now Melbourne.

Don't plan on going home anytime soon. I have a good, extremely stable job. Earn more than I would at home, with less overheads.

Much better quality of life here. Melbourne is a great city.

mandrake04

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Sounds great. Your right i dont have many things positive to say about Aus cause i think its overrated.

I bet if you were earning $90,000+ a year with a spanking new 4WD company car and had a 5m Speedboat sitting in your garage you wouldn't knock it.

Would it still be overrated?

m@cc@

brendansmith wrote: »

I dont. I way prefer Australia but have to go home an finish studies after which im applying for Australian residency.

What about you lot?

I'm not staying in Australia but south of England is the most likely destination.

seachto7

mandrake04 wrote: »

I bet if you were earning $90,000+ a year with a spanking new 4WD company car and had a 5m Speedboat sitting in your garage you wouldn't knock it.

Would it still be overrated?

well, if you think a new car, and a fancy boat = "my life is great", good on you. Many people couldn't care less what's parked in their driveway....

as frankie boyle would say "shiny shiny"