Freesat.ie & Phillips 37PFL9604 - Great Experience

bigbadpat

On Friday morning my Phillips 37PFL9604H LCD TV arrived (as promised by Nicola of the Phillips Shop Dame Street) following a phone call from the van driver to my mobile confirming my location.

I had just got my TV unpacked and in position at noon when the man from FREESAT.IE arrived. He installed on the side of my house an Aerial for the 4 Irish Stations & a Dish for the FREE to Air Satellite stations.I went with the HD option and the satellite installation cost 448 EURO. We turned on the TV and the set up was simple and completed in minutes.

The Phillips 37PFL9604H was purchased with my Boards discount and the picture quality & sound are awesome.After suffering for years with poor picture quality from NTL/UPC I am sorry I did not change over sooner.

The LCD TV & Satellite system was sourced having reviewed the relevant threads & information on Boards.
Isn’t this what Boards is all about !!!

Spudzz

May I ask what HD receiver you got with your Sat package.

Tony

Is that you Mike?

Finne1993

bigbadpat wrote: »

On Friday morning my Phillips 37PFL9604H LCD TV arrived (as promised by Nicola of the Phillips Shop Dame Street) following a phone call from the van driver to my mobile confirming my location.

I had just got my TV unpacked and in position at noon when the man from FREESAT.IE arrived. He installed on the side of my house an Aerial for the 4 Irish Stations & a Dish for the FREE to Air Satellite stations.I went with the HD option and the satellite installation cost 448 EURO. We turned on the TV and the set up was simple and completed in minutes.

The Phillips 37PFL9604H was purchased with my Boards discount and the picture quality & sound are awesome.After suffering for years with poor picture quality from NTL/UPC I am sorry I did not change over sooner.

The LCD TV & Satellite system was sourced having reviewed the relevant threads & information on Boards.
Isn’t this what Boards is all about !!!

Sounds rough that price, I know i'll probably be lambasted for this like I was before by Watty but what the hell!!

Bush HD Freesat receiver - €75
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5321564/Trail/searchtext%3EFREESAT.htm

Satellite Dish -€30
http://tvtrade.ie/show/2,Sky-Satellite-dishes-with-LNB

Aerial - €12
http://tvtrade.ie/show/28,UHF-Contract-aerial--wide-band-Black

Bracket -€9
http://tvtrade.ie/show/193,Bracket-sky-style-bracket

Cable and connectors -€25
http://tvtrade.ie/show/123,100m-Black-RG6-Satellite-cable-LG

€151 in total for materials????
EVEN if better bracketry and aerials were used (And they dont need to be) it would only put about €50 onto the price and along with that if you have a trade account you'll get materials even cheaper.

Don't anybody come back and say ah but insurance, tax, van, blah blah have to be taken into consideration, its almost €300 profit for a 2 hour (At the very longest) job??
Its not right, noone is or should be getting those rates nowadays.

mjsmyth

considering you don't know what equipment was installed and how difficult the job was, calling it bulls**t is a bit rude.

What if the OP got the Humax HD box? Thats more expensive than the Bush, perhaps he even went for a PVR... We don't know, he never said.

Quoting the Bush price as €75 is also misleading. Sure thats what it equates if you are willing to drive up north to purchase it. I can buy a pair of Wrangler jeans for $14 if I go to the US... (Actually I did, but thats a different story...)

The OP seems very happy with his installation. He does not give any more info on it other than that. Surely if the OP is happy, then that is what counts...

Digifriendly

mjsmyth wrote: »

The OP seems very happy with his installation. He does not give any more info on it other than that. Surely if the OP is happy, then that is what counts...

Happy until he finds out he has overpaid and could have got it done without parting with so much money!

Finne1993

mjsmyth wrote: »

considering you don't know what equipment was installed and how difficult the job was, calling it bulls**t is a bit rude.

What if the OP got the Humax HD box? Thats more expensive than the Bush, perhaps he even went for a PVR... We don't know, he never said.

Quoting the Bush price as €75 is also misleading. Sure thats what it equates if you are willing to drive up north to purchase it. I can buy a pair of Wrangler jeans for $14 if I go to the US... (Actually I did, but thats a different story...)

The OP seems very happy with his installation. He does not give any more info on it other than that. Surely if the OP is happy, then that is what counts...

Yes, you're quite right, my wording was perhaps rude, I have edited it out.
Its irrelevant what equipment was used or installed, the gear I quoted above was what was needed, anything more elaborate (Perhaps apart from the HD receiver) would have been unneccessary for this particular job.
Theres no way its a PVR, no fear of that and even it is a Humax HD box its €75 more expensive than the Bush and still too expensive of a job. I have a Bush HD freesat box about 15 months now and its perfect, never had a problem with it and I'm sure it would've done the job for the OP just fine.
Regards the point of driving up north for the box, anyone who is in the installation game can source equipment and materials cheaper than Joe Bloggs on the street and get them delivered in bulk so I'm sure this installer got the gear at even less than the prices I quoted here.
I'm not looking to cause aggro here, just stating my opinion, prices are still way too inflated in this country, price around everyone, there are cheaper out there.

Tony

If theres so much money to be made why are you not doing it?

Finne1993 wrote: »

Yes, you're quite right, my wording was perhaps rude, I have edited it out.
Its irrelevant what equipment was used or installed, the gear I quoted above was what was needed, anything more elaborate (Perhaps apart from the HD receiver) would have been unneccessary for this particular job.
Theres no way its a PVR, no fear of that and even it is a Humax HD box its €75 more expensive than the Bush and still too expensive of a job. I have a Bush HD freesat box about 15 months now and its perfect, never had a problem with it and I'm sure it would've done the job for the OP just fine.
Regards the point of driving up north for the box, anyone who is in the installation game can source equipment and materials cheaper than Joe Bloggs on the street and get them delivered in bulk so I'm sure this installer got the gear at even less than the prices I quoted here.
I'm not looking to cause aggro here, just stating my opinion, prices are still way too inflated in this country, price around everyone, there are cheaper out there.

Finne1993

Tony wrote: »

If theres so much money to be made why are you not doing it?

I knew I'd be knocked down here on this subject.

Noone can justify that price, I don't care what anyone says or what excuse they come up with.

I checked again there now, its a Grundig Freesat HD receiver the OP would have got which as we all know is exactly the same as the Bush so again just to clarify and with a few ammendments after a bit more searching:

Bush HD Freesat Box: €75
60cm minidish and LNB: €21
Aerial and Bracket: €20
F connectors, co-ax connector: €1
Cable and clips/staples: €15
8 Rawlbolts/Thunderbolts: €4

I do understand that in some areas there would be a need for a masthead amp and power supply which would be an extra €30 but thats not the case with this particular job here.

Materials total: €136
Labour: €312
Total: €448

This job would take 1 person approximately 2 hours to do or in an awkward case 3 hours.

I can get the exact same job done for €300 (Even that is a tidy sum of €164 for labour) in total or €250 if its an SD Box (€40 extra if Amp and Power supply are needed). Sounds a lot better than €448!!

TVDX

Right on Finne, your 100% correct.

Tony

You have not answered my question, why are not not doing it yourself?

Finne1993 wrote: »

I knew I'd be knocked down here on this subject.

TheDriver

price and profit is all about what people are willing to pay so if noone subscribed to sky, then they would drop their prices. Its a consumers world and you could get started on a lot of areas if you want e.g. electrician, plumber, grinds etc etc

bigbadpat

Goodmans HD box used
Installation & TV set up took about 2.5 Hours
Previously tried to install an LIDL satellite & dish

I had done some research & found that:

- 400 / 450 EURO average price for installation that I got
- The installer has a physical presence on the same side of Dublin city where I live
- He was able to answer my queries and seemed to know what he was talking about
- Equipment needed to position the dish correctly for the ASTRA satellite

At the end of the day I considered the 448 EURO well spent as I had it up & working within 48 hours of ordering.

Yes I could have saved some money & spent more time and done it myself but I wanted it working NOW. I was happy to support the Boards advertisers.

St Senan

As a fellow installer and poster always says cheap is not always cheerful.

At the moment their is to many fly by night paddys making a quick Buck throwing up cheap quality satellite systems and undercutting everyone thats long term expieranced in this buisness even i am loosing out on jobs because bob the builder, paddy the plumber, or even brightsparks, cant get any work in thier trades and they see that their is still work in this game and say what the hell its only a dish fitted and its not rocket science. To them i say keep up the bad work it generates buisness for us Aerial riggers/installers in the long run.
There is even one crowd here around Gorey advertising they are doing Free to Air systems, powerwashing and hoist for hire a {Jack of all Trades.}

Bigbadpat is very happy with what he got installed and the service from Freesat.ie and he will probably recommed Freesat.ie to other people. Emagine if he was to get some cheapo who installed something cheap and it packed after a month i cant see cheapo coming back to repair or replace. Reputation and word of mouth is better advertising than some cheap homemade flyer you will see in lots of shops at the moment.

Wizard007

I really do not get this. Top professionals are constantly giving advice FREE OF CHARGE on here. They take the time and energy and go to huge lengths to explain all sorts, from complicated installs to the best equipment for particular jobs, the best boxes to use etc etc to the best sites for buying or selling their goods and services. Even people who have never gone next or near a dish have been guided through doing their own install of a fta or whatever right here on screen. The amount of information on here could never be taught in any college. All the opinions and practical advice would never be found in any books.

Yet, on almost every thread, someone comes along and trys to undermine the good that has been done. The customer is happy, the company has a fantastic reputation and yet the above happens.

I don't get why people do that, I just don't get it!

Finne1993

O what did I let myself in for!!!

All I done was air my opinion and gave a few facts and figures, dunno why everyone is getting so hot and bothered about it. At the end of the day the figures don't lie.

@Tony, The answer to your question is: I do.

Tony

Finne1993 wrote: »

@Tony, The answer to your question is: I do.

So this is self promotion then and you are in the trade? Nice very nice

Finne1993

Don't need to self promote, I've plenty of work and in any case its against the rules, I think you should read them

Tony

I'm well aware of the rules. It would have been wise of you to declare you were in the trade earlier in the thread as it would have been clearer what your motivation for posting was. I've read your post before you edited it and it was a smart move on your part to alter the text. I think we should let the mods take it from here.

Finne1993 wrote: »

Don't need to self promote, I've plenty of work and in any case its against the rules, I think you should read them

Finne1993

Tony wrote: »

I'm well aware of the rules. It would have been wise of you to declare you were in the trade earlier in the thread as it would have been clearer what your motivation for posting was. I've read your post before you edited it and it was a smart move on your part to alter the text. I think we should let the mods take it from here.

Ah here, stop getting away from the point.

Why should I have declared anything earlier, if I had done so I would have been shot down straight away for trying to promote myself which is the last thing I would do on here as I'm not on the lookout for a warning or a ban and I don't appreciate the way you're trying to involve the mods here, its pretty childish to be honest.
I never have or never will promote myself on here, as I said previously I'm busy enough, I have absolutely no need to, as Scaller said reputation and word of mouth is the best and only advertisement and I'm doing just fine on that regard.

All you've done since my initial post was look to shoot me down, and not once referred to the point I was making about prices and on that note not one person has attemped to justify this price!!
Over €300 for 2 1/2 hours work??
You, I or anybody else can say what we like, but it just does'nt add up, the figures don't lie.

End of discussion, well it is for me anyway.


@ Bigbadpat:
I don't doubt you had a professional job done, they are a reputable company and I'm glad you're happy with it and the end of the day if you're happy with the installation, product and price thats the main thing.

Tony

You should have declared this earlier as it would have been the honest thing to do and your motivation would have been clear.

If you really want to debate prices then lets do it in a real manner and list ALL the costs. heres a few eaxmples to start you off

1. Public liability insurance (if you have it)

2. Goods carrying vehicle insurance.(if you have it)

2. Premises expenses.

4. Vat (if you pay it)

I'll repeat if you want a real debate on prices and not the selective misinformed rant that you masqerade under the guise of an ordinary poster then fire away.

Finne1993 wrote: »

Ah here, stop getting away from the point.

Why should I have declared anything earlier, if I had done so I would have been shot down straight away

Satdog

Wizard007 wrote: »

I really do not get this. Top professionals are constantly giving advice FREE OF CHARGE on here. They take the time and energy and go to huge lengths to explain all sorts, from complicated installs to the best equipment for particular jobs, the best boxes to use etc etc to the best sites for buying or selling their goods and services. Even people who have never gone next or near a dish have been guided through doing their own install of a fta or whatever right here on screen. The amount of information on here could never be taught in any college. All the opinions and practical advice would never be found in any books.


Well said. I got a custom install a number of years ago however with the help and advice of the Boards I was able to wire in multiroom and replace genneric FTA receiver.

Finne1993

Tony wrote: »

You should have declared this earlier as it would have been the honest thing to do and your motivation would have been clear.



If you really want to debate prices then lets do it in a real manner and list ALL the costs. heres a few eaxmples to start you off



1. Public liability insurance (if you have it)



2. Goods carrying vehicle insurance.(if you have it)



2. Premises expenses.



4. Vat (if you pay it)



I'll repeat if you want a real debate on prices and not the selective misinformed rant that you masqerade under the guise of an ordinary poster then fire away.

Blah blah blah.

Don't really know why I'm replying to such an insulting post.

All QUALIFIED tradesmen have those expenses as well, they're not exclusive for Satellite/Aerial installers. Carpenters, Electricians, plumbers etc are on average charging €150-€200 a day (And lucky to get it) and all their insurance, vehicle, VAT/PAYE and running costs have to come out of that, its not just aerial installers who have those expenses.

I can't be bothered debating this anymore as its a pretty pointless exercise as you obviously have your mind made up about me and no matter what I say you'll knock it.

Wizard007

Well to be honest, you shouldn't have interfered in the first place. All your initial post could have done was insult the company who did the job and make the customer feel like he was not getting the value he was getting and possibly make him feel foolish for posting in the first place.

Sorry, but you drew all this on yourself.

Tony

I understand your position, your argument is so weak that you resort to such comments. Saying "blah blah" is a particularly effective debating skill I must admit.
I vote we close the thread and perhaps move on to some meaningful discussions.

Finne1993 wrote: »

Blah blah blah.


I can't be bothered debating this anymore as its a pretty pointless exercise as you obviously have your mind made up about me and no matter what I say you'll knock it.

Finne1993

Wizard007 wrote: »

Well to be honest, you shouldn't have interfered in the first place. All your initial post could have done was insult the company who did the job and make the customer feel like he was not getting the value he was getting and possibly make him feel foolish for posting in the first place.

Sorry, but you drew all this on yourself.

Interfere?? Its not like the OP was talking one to one to someone and I butted in. He posted on a public forum and his post was wide open for anyone to reply/comment on it.
All I did was voice my opinion but obviously you're only allowed to reply to posts on here if you write what certain people want you to write.

Every single day there are threads and posts slating Sky, NTL or some other company for their prices, customer service, policies etc (whether they're valid points or not) and noone apart from one or two lately (including yourself) has stood up for them and challenged these posts to the degree that my post has been challenged.

Tony

Thats true but those comments come from customers not competitors. You are not a customer of Freesat.ie you are a competitor by your own (albeit late) admission.

Finne1993 wrote: »

Every single day there are threads and posts slating Sky, NTL or some other company for their prices, customer service, policies etc (

Wizard007

Ok, lets look at the facts here.

Bigbadpat posted on here complementing a company on a job well done. You came along without knowing what make of box was used, what make or type of equipment was used, what the job entailed or how long it took and took it upon yourself to post what you thought should be the costing on the box and parts used. And all with a - quote - "what the hell" attitude.

Was that fair to both Freesat.ie and Bigbadpat?

If I think a company is being "slated" unfairly I will post and say it.

Your post is being challenged to this degree obviously because of what you said. If no one posted after post number 4, the company would have come across as having ripped the customer off.

I don't want to argue this out with you any more.

Finne1993

Tony wrote: »

Thats true but those comments come from customers not competitors. You are not a customer of Freesat.ie you are a competitor by your own (albeit late) admission.

I am not competing against them nor do i have a desire to compete against them or any other company thats 70 miles away from me, if i lived in Dublin and was a competitor of this company then there would be a point to the criticism aimed at me for speaking out truthfully.
The fact is I am speaking as a member of the general public and regardless of whether I'm a customer, competitor or an onlooker I'm entitled to my opinion and I'm entitled to air it

Tony

Finne1993 wrote: »

The fact is I am speaking as a member of the general public

That is complete and utter nonsense, it is a fact that by your own admission you are engaged in business.

Finne1993 wrote: »

and regardless of whether I'm a customer, competitor or an onlooker I'm entitled to my opinion and I'm entitled to air it

Yes you are entitled to your opinion just as others are entitled to challenge such opinions, if you cannot take criticism then dont post.

TheDriver

If Finne1993 is happy to make money charging his prices, then fair enough. If everyone is getting plenty of customers on their prices, then fair enough. Theres lot of competition out there and if people didn't like the prices, then ye would be out of business. I think its time to agree to disagree and put this argument to bed before the stress levels get too high. I for one am curious as to how Finne1993 makes money but I am also curious as to whether you are an aerial installer or a tradesman of some other description who also installs aerials?

Finne1993

Tony wrote: »

If you really want to debate prices then lets do it in a real manner and list ALL the costs. heres a few examples to start you off



1. Public liability insurance (if you have it)



2. Goods carrying vehicle insurance.(if you have it)



2. Premises expenses.



4. Vat (if you pay it)

Just want to finish off with this:

Public liability insurance: €3000-€4000 per annum. So based on a 230 working day year is equal to €17.40 per day

Commercial Vehicle Insurance: €500-€1000 per annum. Based on the same idea this is €4.40 per day

Vehicle running costs (repayments, diesel etc) certainly would'nt be any more than €20 a day

Premises expenses should'nt really come into it as you don't need a premises to be an installer and this is a seperate side of any business and produces its own turnover as a goods selling business

VAT as we all know is only payable if you're registered for it and there is NO obligation on every self employed person to be registered for it (Thats another argument we won't get into) so lets say it is payable in this case @ 13.5% = €40 approximately, which is countered by the fact the VAT can be claimed back off the materials which amounts to €26.50 so €13.50 is payable in VAT

So €55.30 are the daily running costs and that is a high estimate, now we'll allow an hour and half for travelling and breaks so that takes the job up to 4 hours. 2 of these jobs can be done with ease in a day so there we are €600 minus €55.30 equals €544.70 per day. No bad days work and before anyone says its being too simplistic to expect to get 2 of these jobs done in a day lets say its only 1 job a day then, thats still €244.70 for 2 1/2 hours work. €1223.50 a week, over €60,000 a year for 15 hours a week! and remember I'm being extremely conservative with the figures here.

TheDriver wrote: »

I for one am curious as to how Finne1993 makes money but I am also curious as to whether you are an aerial installer or a tradesman of some other description who also installs aerials?

What difference does it make what I do or how much money I make? As I said earlier I'm speaking as a member of Joe Public and any questions about me are irrelevant, the topic here is the price someone paid for an install and the profit margins that are being achieved.

Thats my last post on the subject, as Tony said lets talk about something more meaningful.

TVDX

Nobody is trying to undermine anyone.
Finne is just stating the facts. There is alot of overcharging going on in the install business. Simple as that.

Tony

TVDX wrote: »

There is alot of overcharging going on in the install business. Simple as that.

Nothing simple about it. Thats just a lazy ill thought out generalistion. No doubt you have facts to back up your statement?

BArra

IMO the OP paid a fairly hefty price, on the limited details he gave..

i hope he got the top of the range foxsat hdr freesat, but i somehow doubt he did :rolleyes:

PyeContinental

bigbadpat wrote: »

the satellite installation cost 448 EURO.

"Jesus H. Christ" was my first reaction before I went on to read any of the rest of this thread. I'm still finding it incredible that your post is actually a recommendation rather than a warning to others to shop around for better value.

For comparison, I bought a package on ebay which consisted of a 60cm elliptical (sky style) satellite dish, an 8-way LNB, brackets, fixing bolts, rawlplugs, 100 metres of satellite cable, 20 F-connectors and weatherproof rubber boots, and two boxes of cable clips, which was only €80, including postage from the UK to Ireland.

I put up the dish myself and ran cabling to several tv points for a total cost of €80
See here to read about how I did it and how you can too:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055761436

Tony wrote: »

If theres so much money to be made why are you not doing it?

I suspect a lot of people are asking themselves the same question, Tony!

bigbadpat wrote: »

Yes I could have saved some money & spent more time and done it myself but I wanted it working NOW.

I read this as an acknowledgement by the OP that he acted in haste.

I think it's a bad idea to go for a deal where the company installs the dish or aerial and supplies the receiving equipment. There is too much room to hide inflated profit, especially when cheap brands such as Goodmans or Bush are supplied.

BArra wrote: »

i hope he got the top of the range foxsat hdr freesat, but i somehow doubt he did :rolleyes:

No, the OP mentions that he was given a Goodmans receiver, Barra.

Goodmans are a cheap, low quality English Brand which is asociated with Argos. Sister brands include Alba, Bush, Grundig, Beko and Hinari. Apart from Grundig, who at one time made better quality goods, these brands in one form or another have traditionally served the needs of people who absolutely must have the worst quality that money can buy.

mjsmyth

Goodmans are a cheap, low quality English Brand which is asociated with Argos. Sister brands include Alba, Bush, Grundig, Beko and Hinari. Apart from Grundig, who at one time made better quality goods, these brands in one form or another have traditionally served the needs of people who absolutely must have the worst quality that money can buy.

Goodmans may well be cheap, but the Bush HD box I have has performed admirably over the last year. Yes there have been issues recently with the firmware on some boxes, but so too have their been issues with the firmware on the more expensive and respected Humax boxes.

The Bush HD has constantly rated highly in magazine reviews for its performance / price.

Also, Bush has not always been a cheap brand. They were, at one time, a leaing light in British Radio manufacturing and also in the 70's, seemed to provide every TV in Ireland! It is only in the last 20 years that the brand has been seen as cheap.

With regards to Beko, I did not think they have anything to do with Harvard (parent company for Bush, Grundig and Goodmans). Beko products are cheap, not bottom end cheap, but still cheap. They are also the 3rd largest household appliances company in Europe behind Electrolux and Indesit..

Cheap may mean lack of style, but it does not have to mean bad quality.

zagmund

"Yes I could have saved some money & spent more time and done it myself but I wanted it working NOW."

I read that as meaning he was willing to pay a premium to have it installed, done, dusted, working, etc . . . and not have to wait a week for a package to arrive from the UK which may or may not have had all the parts and then have to get up a ladder, drill holes, align the dish, run the cable, etc . . .

I paid Sky a premium for this last year also. I had previously tried to do the Lidl self-install and while I got it pointed and tuned correctly, running the cable into where I needed it in the house was always going to be a problem. The plan was always to ditch Sky after the contract was up and end up with the dish, cables, etc . . . installed and working for not too much money (in my view)

Since I got Sky in I gave the Lidl thing another go and armed with a little more experience (and a big drill bit, 100m of cable and a couple of diseqc switches which I bought off boards posters) I now have dishes pointed at 19e and 28e and can pick all sorts of stuff.

If I hadn't paid someone to put the dish up I would still be in 4 channel land and the Lidl dish would still be sitting on its side in the garage, so I've no problem with the fact that I paid over the odds (compared to your prices) to get going.

z

PyeContinental

mjsmyth wrote: »

Also, Bush has not always been a cheap brand. They were, at one time, a leaing light in British Radio manufacturing and also in the 70's, seemed to provide every TV in Ireland! It is only in the last 20 years that the brand has been seen as cheap.

Bush has never been a leading light of anything. Perhaps they might have seemed to be some kind of player in the manufacture of radios and record players until the Japanese showed the world how it could be done. The name Bush has always been synonymous with shoddyness and I'm not even talking about modern stuff with firmware issues - that seems to be the way of everything these days. No, I'm talking about Bush and their terrible televisions in the 60's, 70's and 80's when they were all over Ireland, but ubiquitous does not imply anything regarding quality. They were cheap for a reason, as anyone who had one knows. Anyone who bought one will understand very well the meaning of the phrase "Buy cheap, buy twice". If you are looking back to some kind of historic heyday for Bush and remembering them fondly, then it's just a case of rose-tinted glasses I'm afraid.

Anyway, quite aside from all that, the OP did not receive an expensive satellite receiver, hence no value to be seen in the deal from that aspect.

zagmund wrote: »

"Yes I could have saved some money & spent more time and done it myself but I wanted it working NOW."

I read that as meaning he was willing to pay a premium to have it installed,

But Zagmund - anyone who pays a premium for anything, has by definition paid more than they needed to.

PyeContinental

I just read somewhere that the hardware and firmware of these Goodmans/Bush/Grundig boxes are actually made by Echostar, who have been in the satellite business for a while, so this might mean they are ok receivers.
I thought I'd mention that in the interest of balance

I was also reading this thread on a UK forum
http://www.techwatch.co.uk/forums/31837-installing-your-own-freesat-satellite-dish-and-save-80-a.html
where these people in England are arguinging that £80 is dear for a professional install and that they can do it DIY for £20

Tony

Yes of course because in every case the installer lives next door

PyeContinental wrote: »

where these people in England are arguinging that £80 is dear for a professional install and that they can do it DIY for £20

PyeContinental

Just in case you don't get my meaning, I actually think that the people who are saying that £80 is way too much for supply and install of a good dish are being unreasonable, but I thought it was interesting to see the discussion that they are having for comparison.

Tony

Yep I got you 1st time

PyeContinental wrote: »

Just in case you don't get my meaning, I actually think that the people who are saying that £80 is way too much for supply and install of a good dish are being unreasonable, but I thought it was interesting to see the discussion that they are having for comparison.

STB

Bloody Hell. What recession ?:D

I knew there was good money in it but didnt think it was that good. But hey I suppose not everyone can do it themselves - tech aside, using a ladder scares off a lot of people and most see it as a once off payment, a good justification alone. And then being cleverer than the rest in not paying to an NTL/or Sky for what is free gives it own pleasure I suppose. Once your happy OP.

And Tony and gang - good money if you can get it. I wouldnt begrudge anyone a living.

bigbadpat

STB wrote: »

I wouldnt begrudge anyone a living.