Dolphin/Whale/Seal - Meat = Food?!

me-skywalker

I dont get all these new-age 'hippy' protectionist bstards!

Why is it that a Dolphin etc cannot be eaten but yet they wouldnt justify correctly why we should not eat a cow or a pig or even salmon.

Just because their own conventions, their own 'western' culture might not have budding glands for it or even think about it but I would love to try Dolphin see what all the fuss is about!

If we are the top of the food chain and they are meat damn it I wanna be able to eat it to make up my own mind.

TomCo

I know what you mean, I've been dying to eat human meat but those new-age 'hippy' bastards just don't understand.

Doc

me-skywalker wrote: »

I dont get all these new-age 'hippy' protectionist bstards!

Why is it that a Dolphin etc cannot be eaten but yet they wouldnt justify correctly why we should not eat a cow or a pig or even salmon.

Just because their own conventions, their own 'western' culture might not have budding glands for it or even think about it but I would love to try Dolphin see what all the fuss is about!

If we are the top of the food chain and they are meat damn it I wanna be able to eat it to make up my own mind.

A lot of species of Dolphin are endangered. Try rat instead.

Turtwig

me-skywalker wrote: »

I dont get all these new-age 'hippy' protectionist bstards!

Why is it that a Dolphin etc cannot be eaten but yet they wouldnt justify correctly why we should not eat a cow or a pig or even salmon.

Just because their own conventions, their own 'western' culture might not have budding glands for it or even think about it but I would love to try Dolphin see what all the fuss is about!

If we are the top of the food chain and they are meat damn it I wanna be able to eat it to make up my own mind.

Maybe because certain species are endangered and,if we listened to you, we'd eventually be left without the option of eating them as there would be none left.

A significant amount of whales are in extreme danger of extinction.

mawk

Malty_T wrote: »

Maybe because certain species are endangered and,if we listened to you, we'd eventually be left without the option of eating them as there would be none left.

Most Whales are in extreme danger of extinction.

So youre saying we should make whale farms to grow sustainable whale meat?
Makes sense. Put me down for 2 kilos

And most whales are not endangered. Some whales are endangered. Its a pretty big difference. Same deal with sharks. And north sea cod. And skate. And tuna. Hell even roach are dying out but the hippies dont care about those.

If the rat was guaranteed not poisonous, id happily try it.

Turtwig

mawk wrote: »

If the rat was guaranteed not poisonous, id happily try it.

There is a cooker.;)

roach(es) are dying out.

No they aren't those bloody things can go months without food.

Turtwig

Malty_T wrote: »

Most Whales are in extreme danger of extinction.

Apologies should have said a significant proportion of whales.
~25% (?)*

*I don't trust greenpeace like figures, can anyone confirm the actual number/proportion from a reliable source?

csm

If you're talking about number of species of whale that are endangered then you won't get much of an answer because reliable studies are extremely difficult to do. Only the 'marquee' species like humpbacks, fin whales, blue whales, etc are likely to have anything on them. A lot of the beaked whales have very little data on them (probably because they are so rare, although that is not necessarily mankind's fault).

The reason everyone gets so het up about whales is because they are mammals and there used to be a damn sight more of them than there are now. Especially the likes of right whales (so called because they float to the surface when killed and are therefore the 'right' whale to hunt), blue whales, humpbacks. There are plenty of Minke whales about so you can chow down on them as much as you like. However, if it were open season on them then you can be sure we wouldn't be harvesting them in a sustainable manner.

I'd try whale if it was on offer, but it's not a sustainable food source so I wouldn't be eating it every week.

csm

oh and pig and cow are different because we can sustainably farm them. dolphin, tuna, whale, salmon, cannot be sustainably farmed as yet

KTRIC

You people disgust me :mad:

Why would you consider eating a dolphin, is there not enough meat to eat already.

tman

In my pre-coffee state at this time of the morning, I thought the thread title was some kind of bizarre attempt at arithmetic.
Sorely disappointed:(

Gummy Panda

KTRIC wrote: »

You people disgust me :mad:

Why would you consider eating a dolphin, is there not enough meat to eat already.

I blame those flipper marshmallow sweets that were sold when I was a child.

stovelid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charismatic_megafauna

Plus Dolphins are cute.

drkpower

me-skywalker wrote: »

Just because their own conventions, their own 'western' culture might not have budding glands for it or even think about it but I would love to try Dolphin see what all the fuss is about!

If we are the top of the food chain and they are meat damn it I wanna be able to eat it to make up my own mind.

As ome have said, it is about sustanability and endangerment to a species.

But there is also the 'intelligence' reason. Dolphins are considered by many to be extremely intelligent and there are moral issues about farming and eating something with that level of intelligence.

In any case, dolphins are choc-full-of mercury, so, go ahead, fill your belly - you'll be making dolphin noises yourself within a few months.

Jesus Wept

Malty_T wrote: »

Maybe because certain species are endangered and,if we listened to you, we'd eventually be left without the option of eating them as there would be none left.

A significant amount of whales are in extreme danger of extinction.

csm wrote: »

oh and pig and cow are different because we can sustainably farm them. dolphin, tuna, whale, salmon, cannot be sustainably farmed as yet

Cats and dogs aren't in danger of extinction.
Are you ok with me eating them?

OutlawPete

A lot of what we feel comfortably eating is just an accident of birth.

In Korea for instance, they have dogs in cages, just like we might store chickens before plucking, at the back of the restaurants. It would break our hearts to see it but they think we are mad and laugh at Europeans and Americans etc who get upset when they see these practices.

Same with Horse meat. In France they have no problem with it.

I have tried many times to go vegetarian but always end up craving a steak.

One animal I do deel guilty about eating is Lamb. Have you ever seen Spring Lambs bounding around a field all happy

I eat a lot of sushi but something about red meat just satisfys a hunger fish and fruit or vegetables never could.

stovelid

OutlawPete wrote: »

but always end up craving a streak.

Rugby match on Saturday. It'll be freezing though.

PirateShampoo

Ive always wanted to try Baby Hippo.

iora_rua

stovelid wrote: »

Rugby match on Saturday. It'll be freezing though.

Thanks OutlawPete and stovelid - between the pair of you, you've given me a much needed laugh this morning :D:D

Wazdakka

KTRIC wrote: »

You people disgust me :mad:

Why would you consider eating a dolphin, is there not enough meat to eat already.

NO.

Humans have convinced themselves they are top of the food chain..
So It's my ambition to eat every kind of meat that I possibly can.

Kind of like a Noahs ark..
Except instead of the animals being saved from a flood,
I make them into poop.

Robbo

**** you whale and **** you dolphin.

I used to be opposed to whaling, until I watched Whale Wars and now I root for "the Japanese", because the action of one company represents the attitude of an entire nation. Thanks Paul Watson, you mendacious, stereotyping PR whore.

biko

The Japs are lovely people but there is something wrong for sure.
See "The Cove".

BraziliaNZ

I think seals are mostly blubber, probably not that much lean meat, but maybe I'm wrong. I like seals. There are tonnes of seals out there.
It's a pity they can't farm fish without wrecking the place though, it could be a solution to the dwindling fish stocks.

Dont be at yourself

I'll happily eat whale or dolphin. Most species are no more endangered than cod or tuna.

OutlawPete

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I think seals are mostly blubber, probably not that much lean meat, but maybe I'm wrong. I like seals. There are tonnes of seals out there.
It's a pity they can't farm fish without wrecking the place though, it could be a solution to the dwindling fish stocks.

Eskimos call Blubber .. Muktuk. All the calories are in the fat and so it was crucial for them as they had no carbohydrate source.

I seen that American journalist guy on Discovery last year go to see an Innuit family that still eat seals and eat them raw!! They cut it open and eat it in the kitchen blood all over them.

They looked happy though

hooradiation

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I think seals are mostly blubber, probably not that much lean meat, but maybe I'm wrong. I like seals. There are tonnes of seals out there.
It's a pity they can't farm fish without wrecking the place though, it could be a solution to the dwindling fish stocks.

They are working on better ways to farm fish. Like this for Tuna.

BraziliaNZ

hooradiation wrote: »

They are working on better ways to farm fish. Like this for Tuna.

Yeah my girlfriend is an environmental scientist and did a thesis or something on fish farming but as of yet (according to her) when they farm fish it can wreck the environment as they are more susceptible to diseases etc and then they escape and spread. Plus apparently they feed the fish more fish than fish produced. That looks interesting though, thanks for the link.

Blazer

OutlawPete wrote: »

One animal I do deel guilty about eating is Lamb. Have you ever seen Spring Lambs bounding around a field all happy

mmm lamb chops
I ate cat once in Turkey..was in a jeweler's shop over there and he insisted we try this meat....kinda like pork..except it turned out to be cat...

nicest pussy i ever ate..;)

2 Espressi

**** me, 28 posts and no-one mentions...

wrote:

I love to smoke. I love to smoke and I love to eat red meat. I love to eat raw ****ing red meat. Nothing I like better than sucking down a hot steaming cheese burger and a butt at the same time. I love to smoke. I love to eat red meat. I'll only eat red meat that comes from cows who smoke, ok!? Special cows they grow in Virginia with voice boxes in their necks. "[VB] Moo"

I tried eating vegetarian. I feel like a wimp going into a restaurant. "What do you want to eat sir? Brocolli?" Brocolli's a side dish, folks. Always was, always will be, ok? When they ask me what I want, I say, "What do you think I want!? This is America. I want a bowl of raw red meat right now. Forget about that. Bring me a live cow over to the table. I'll carve off what I want and ride the rest home! [Making riding noises]"

I gonna open up my own place. Open my own restaurant and get away from you people. I gonna open up a restaurant with two smoking sections; Ultra and Regular, ok? And we're not gonna have any tables or any chairs or any napkins. None of that pussy ****. Just a big wide open black space. And all we're gonna serve is raw meat, right on the bone! And only men are going to eat there, naked men, sitting around a big giant camp fire, and no men's room either. You have to piss, you mark your territory like a wolf! And if some guy has a heart attack from eating too much meat, **** him, we throw him in the fire! More meat for the other meat-eaters! Yeah!

Because you gotta have goals. Because everybody in this room knows everybody who's quitting. You all have that friend who's quitting it. You know what I mean? The guys quitting it, "I quit smoking. I quit drugs. I quit drinking. I quit meat, and I feel great. I get up in the morning and have a nice big bowl of oat bran. I go to the bathroom for three and a half hours. I have another bowl of oat bran. I go back in the bathroom for six more hours. All I do is eat and ****, I'm gonna live forever! My colon is the strongest muscle in my body right now. I could pass Elvis through my colon right now."

And all these cereals they have, Cracklin' Oat Bran, and Horkin' Fiber Chunks, you know? Cereal used to come with a free prize. Now it comes with a free roll of toilet paper in every box. Guys get up on Sunday morning, "Forget about the New York Times, I'm gonna need the Bible. I got a big one brewing here." "Dad, there's a phone call!" "I'm on Genesis, God dammit! You tell 'em to call back after the creation!" People checking their own feces for fiber. You have too much free ****ing time on your hands, ok.

Red meat, white meat, blue meat, meat-o-****ing-rama. You will eat it. Because not eating meat is a decision. Eating meat is an instinct! Yeah! And I know what it's about. "I don't want to eat the meat because I love the animals. I love the animals." Hey, I love the animals too. I love my doggy. He's so cute. My fluffy little dog.. He's so cute- There's the problem. We only want to save the cute animals, don't we? Yeah. Why don't we just have animal auditions. Line 'em up one by one and interview them individually. "What are you?" "I'm an otter." "And what do you do?" "I swim around on my back and do cute little human things with my hands." "You're free to go." "And what are you?" "I'm a cow." "Get in the ****ing truck, ok pal!" "But I'm an animal." "You're a baseball glove! Get on that truck!" "I'm an animal, I have rights!" "Yeah, here's yer ****ing cousin, get on the ****ing truck, pal!" We kill the cows to make jackets out of them and then we kill each other for the jackets we made out of the cows.

You will eat the meat folks, because this country was founded on two things. Meat, and war. You eat enough ****ing meat, you wanna kill somebody. That's the way it works. That was the ultimate American dream. During that Persian Gulf War, I was sitting in my living room, naked, with a can of Budweiser and a three inch stake watching the war, live, on TV. I had a six foot erection with a giant cheese burger on the end of it. I ate so much meat during the war that by the time the war was over three weeks later, I was like, "No no no. We need to keep fighting. Make a couple of stops on our way home from the Persian Gulf. First stop! Vietnam! Surprise the **** out of those people, huh?" "You make a movie?" "Not this time, pal!"

Personally, I think Mama Cass said it best when she said, "[Choking noises]" "All the leaves are [Choking noises]" "Monday [Choking noises]"

Turtwig

BraziliaNZ wrote:

Plus apparently they feed the fish more fish than fish produced. That looks interesting though, thanks for the link.

General rule of thumb : The smaller the animal the more multiples of its own body weight in food it must eat to stay alive.

Why don't we just farm crocodiles : those things only need to be fed once a month?

Nebit

Robbo wrote: »

**** you whale and **** you dolphin.

DAM U!!! i was soooo hopping i could be the first to say that

BraziliaNZ

Malty_T wrote: »

General rule of thumb : The smaller the animal the more multiples of its own body weight in food it must eat to stay alive.

Why don't we just farm crocodiles : those things only need to be fed once a month?

I tasted it once. It's like gooey chicken kind of.

Long Onion

Dennis Leary: My fluffy little dog.. He's so cute- There's the problem. We only want to save the cute animals, don't we? Yeah. Why don't we just have animal auditions. Line 'em up one by one and interview them individually.

Dennis: What are you?

Otter: I'm an otter.

Dennis: And what do you do?

Otter: I swim around on my back and do cute little human things with my hands.

Dennis: You're free to go. And what are you?

Cow: I'm a cow.

Denis: Get in the ****ing truck, ok pal!

Cow: But I'm an animal.

Dennis: You're a baseball glove! Get on that truck!

Cow: I'm an animal, I have rights!

Dennis: (pointing at leather jacket) Yeah, here's yer ****ing cousin, get on the ****ing truck, pal!

Vegeta

Malty_T wrote: »

No they aren't those bloody things can go months without food.

Hey means roach the fish not cockroaches

csm wrote: »

oh and pig and cow are different because we can sustainably farm them. dolphin, tuna, whale, salmon, cannot be sustainably farmed as yet

I thought salmon was farmed

truecrippler

I can has Dolphin and sweetcorn maynaize plz?

opinion guy

OutlawPete wrote: »

One animal I do deel guilty about eating is Lamb. Have you ever seen Spring Lambs bounding around a field all happy

Ah the cunning of the lamb. Evolved over eon's to maximise cuteness as a survival strategy. Darwin would be pleased.

hooradiation wrote: »

They are working on better ways to farm fish. Like this for Tuna.

Tuna is also full of mercury

Nebit wrote: »

DAM U!!! i was soooo hopping i could be the first to say that

+1.

**** u wale, **** u dolfin, **** u wobbo !!!

Degsy

If you're not a vegetarian stfu about animal rights and if you ARE a vegetarian stfu anyway nobody wants to hear about it.

Tabnabs

Malty_T wrote: »

Why don't we just farm crocodiles : those things only need to be fed once a month?

Had it in South Africa, local farm was pretty famous as they do a really good crocodile curry. It did taste a bit like chicken!

I've also had whale meat, poor man's beef they call it, tough and not particularly satisfying.

I've a good supply of a type of salami in the fridge at home that has sheep, goat and horse meet amongst the ingredients, ***king delicious it is too.

opinion guy

Degsy wrote: »

If you're not a vegetarian stfu about animal rights and if you ARE a vegetarian stfu anyway nobody wants to hear about it.

That's fine, except vegetarians have less coronary disease, less cancer and live longer. Perhaps they are doing something right

Tabnabs

opinion guy wrote: »

That's fine, except vegetarians have less coronary disease, less cancer and live longer. Perhaps they are doing something right

Icelandic men and Japanese women have the longest life expectancy worldwide, both good whaling countries...

source

Turtwig

Dyflin wrote: »

Icelandic men and Japanese women have the longest life expectancy worldwide, both good whaling countries...

source

Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation.
Can you point to a source that says whaling is the causative agent in the longer life expectancy?

Was in Japan last month and had whale meat:

tastes like really good tuna

We were expecting everything to be a bit kind of nudge-nudge about ordering it and even thought there might be protesters outside the restaurant but it was just like ordering anything else.

Tabnabs

Malty_T wrote: »

Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation.
Can you point to a source that says whaling is the causative agent in the longer life expectancy?

It was said tongue in cheek considering the thread title...

Watch; ;);););)

Executive Steve

me-skywalker wrote: »

I dont get all these new-age 'hippy' protectionist bstards!

Why is it that a Dolphin etc cannot be eaten but yet they wouldnt justify correctly why we should not eat a cow or a pig or even salmon.

Just because their own conventions, their own 'western' culture might not have budding glands for it or even think about it but I would love to try Dolphin see what all the fuss is about!

If we are the top of the food chain and they are meat damn it I wanna be able to eat it to make up my own mind.

Because we're running out of Dolphins and Whales, and we have a ready supply of cattle and pigs on our farms, we've bred them for centuries to be grown, fattened and eaten.

Dolphins and Whales on the other hand fill pretty important ecological niches in a highly complex and balanced system of marine life and as such probably serve us better swimming around out there in peace.

Executive Steve

mawk wrote: »

So youre saying we should make whale farms to grow sustainable whale meat?
Makes sense. Put me down for 2 kilos

And most whales are not endangered. Some whales are endangered. Its a pretty big difference. Same deal with sharks. And north sea cod. And skate. And tuna. Hell even roach are dying out but the hippies dont care about those.

If the rat was guaranteed not poisonous, id happily try it.

The "hippies" (and it's more than just the hippies, believe me) DO care about the roach and the cod. Have you seen "End of the Line" yet?

http://endoftheline.com/

Scary stuff....

Degsy

opinion guy wrote: »

That's fine, except vegetarians have less coronary disease, less cancer and live longer. Perhaps they are doing something right

Hitler was a vegetarian and he died at 56...maybe had he ate meat he wouldnt have started all those dreadfull wars and lived longer.

Degsy

Malty_T wrote: »

Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation.
Can you point to a source that says whaling is the causative agent in the longer life expectancy?

Here's a study that says eskimos have never had cardiac problems and all they eat is blubber and oily fish..no veggies for them.
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2001/09/21/inuit_diet010921.html

stovelid

opinion guy wrote: »

That's fine, except vegetarians have less coronary disease, less cancer and live longer.

Bear in mind that Increased incidence of smugosis have been noted in long-term vegetarians through.

opinion guy

Dyflin wrote: »

Icelandic men and Japanese women have the longest life expectancy worldwide, both good whaling countries...

source

Yes thats true. But theres a bunch of factors involved not just meat/ no meat.

Deleted User wrote: »

Was in Japan last month and had whale meat:

tastes like really good tuna

We were expecting everything to be a bit kind of nudge-nudge about ordering it and even thought there might be protesters outside the restaurant but it was just like ordering anything else.

Lol....Japanese protestors...they are far too polite for that

betafrog wrote: »

You watched bloody South Park didn't you! DIDN'T YOU!!!

**** u cow, **** u chicken!!!

Degsy wrote: »

Hitler was a vegetarian and he died at 56...maybe had he ate meat he wouldnt have started all those dreadfull wars and lived longer.

Didn't he get a sudden case of acute high velocity lead poisoning ?

Degsy wrote: »

Here's a study that says eskimos have never had cardiac problems and all they eat is blubber and oily fish..no veggies for them.
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2001/09/21/inuit_diet010921.html

Again its not that simple as all that. For a start thats a news story not a study. For another thing it doesn't define "older inuit" - maybe they don't live long enough to get cardiac problems. Edit: I see they put that benefit down to omega oils. you can get those from plant sources too.

stovelid wrote: »

Bear in mind that Increased incidence of smugosis have been noted in long-term vegetarians through.

True.

Two excellent books on health and nutrition:
The Okinawan Way - advises infrequent meat consumption
The China Study - strongly advocates vegeterainism and they really don't like milk at all

hooradiation

opinion guy wrote: »

Tuna is also full of mercury

Ohh please, you'd have to be eating a huge amount of tuna in ingest anything close to a dangerous level of mercury.

We're talking in the range of more than two albacore steaks a week, and over a long period of time.
Which is fine because most people eat tinned tuna which has far less mercury in it and once again nowhere near the amounts needed to be of any danger to anyone.

opinion guy

hooradiation wrote: »

Ohh please, you'd have to be eating a huge amount of tuna in ingest anything close to a dangerous level of mercury.

We're talking in the range of more than two albacore steaks a week, and over a long period of time.
Which is fine because most people eat tinned tuna which has far less mercury in it and once again nowhere near the amounts needed to be of any danger to anyone.

Your source of information for this opinion being ?