Report on Clerical Abuse within the Dublin Archdiocese...

Darragh29

I've just started reading this report, can someone maybe clarify this for me...

In the opening pages of the report, there is a reference to civil law and canon law. Is the application of canon law upon the people of state not as unenforcable upon citizens as the Scouts Law???

omahaid

Approximately the same if I'm not mistaken. Is canon law referenced in the document? Can't understand why it would be.

Djuret

I belive the point they're trying to make is that neither canon nor civil law was (or is) respected by the clergy of ireland.

I'm not sure I'd advise reading the full report, there's something thoroughly disturbing about prepubescent girls being raped with a crucifix up the backside.

Aidric

From part one of the report:

4.44 Anyone accused of a crime at canon law (or in civil law) has a right to an impartial investigation. The complainant and his/her family also have a right to an impartial investigation. The accused cleric is to be informed about his right to obtain legal advice and, if necessary, to be accompanied by a lawyer if being interviewed during the process of the preliminary investigation. There is no requirement on the priest to respond to the allegation; he is entitled to remain silent and is not required to take an oath or explain his situation. No adverse inference can be drawn by the delegate if the accused exercises his right to silence.

starbelgrade

Basically, the clergy have for years, used Canon law to hide behind, hoping that it would protect them from their duities to Civil Law. It has taken far too long for the State & the enforces of the law ie., the police to actually get their fingers out & do something about this.

In the case of abuse of children by the clergy, Ireland once again has another Golden Circle only this time it's the Government, the Church & the Guards

Raiser

Government - Rotten to the core/Absolute Scum in suits.

Judiciary - Aged/Senile/Demonstrably Stupid/Occasionally unprosecutable Paedophiles/Rotten to the core.

Gardaí - Indifferent/Lazy/Greedy/Profiteering/Rotten to the core.

Catholic Church - 2nd Oldest Career/Perverse/Stunted/EVIL/Rotten to the core.

Social Workers - Indifferent/Lazy/Greedy/Profiteering/Rotten to the core.

The Devout Irish Catholic Gobshíte - Pious/Judgemental/Hypocritical/Self-Obsessed in their blind pursuit of a place in "Heaven"/Indifferent/Rotten to the core.

The Irish Public - SILENT - APATHETIC - SPINELESS - HAPPY TO PAY FOR THE CHURCHES SINS - P A T H E T I C

The_Minister

Darragh29 wrote: »

I've just started reading this report, can someone maybe clarify this for me...

In the opening pages of the report, there is a reference to civil law and canon law. Is the application of canon law upon the people of state not as unenforcable upon citizens as the Scouts Law???

The right to bodily integrity, recognised by the Irish Supreme Court, comes from a Catholic Encyclical. There are some rare situations were Canon law is invoked, but they have to be approved by the courts first (very rare nowadays).

I think in the report in question they are making the point that the Church's own rules have been violated by what has been done.

dresden8

Nothing new here this has been going on for over 800 years

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/NORbeckett.htm

In 1163, after a long spell in France, Henry arrived back in England. Henry was told that, while he had been away, there had been a dramatic increase in serious crime. The king's officials claimed that over a hundred murderers had escaped their proper punishment because they had claimed their right to be tried in church courts.

Those that had sought the privilege of a trial in a Church court were not exclusively clergymen. Any man who had been trained by the church could choose to be tried by a church court. Even clerks who had been taught to read and write by the Church but had not gone on to become priests had a right to a Church court trial. This was to an offender's advantage, as church courts could not impose punishments that involved violence such as execution or mutilation. There were several examples of clergy found guilty of murder or robbery who only received "spiritual" punishments, such as suspension from office or banishment from the altar.

The king decided that clergymen found guilty of serious crimes should be handed over to his courts. At first, the Archbishop agreed with Henry on this issue but after talking to other church leaders Becket changed his mind. Henry was furious when Becket began to assert that the church should retain control of punishing its own clergy. The king believed that Becket had betrayed him and was determined to obtain revenge.

Henry knew how to sort this crap out.

starbelgrade

Raiser wrote: »

Government - Rotten to the core/Absolute Scum in suits.

Judiciary - Aged/Senile/Demonstrably Stupid/Occasionally unprosecutable Paedophiles/Rotten to the core.

Gardaí - Indifferent/Lazy/Greedy/Profiteering/Rotten to the core.

Catholic Church - 2nd Oldest Career/Perverse/Stunted/EVIL/Rotten to the core.

Social Workers - Indifferent/Lazy/Greedy/Profiteering/Rotten to the core.

The Devout Irish Catholic Gobshíte - Pious/Judgemental/Hypocritical/Self-Obsessed in their blind pursuit of a place in "Heaven"/Indifferent/Rotten to the core.

The Irish Public - SILENT - APATHETIC - SPINELESS - HAPPY TO PAY FOR THE CHURCHES SINS - P A T H E T I C

That's an awful big brush you have there for all that tarring & generalised sweeping.

imstrongerthanu

starbelgrade wrote: »

That's an awful big brush you have there for all that tarring & generalised sweeping.

Maybe he's angry?................

Anyway what I want to now is will people serve time in jail?

Yitzhak Rabin

Did anyone else see this documentary? It was absolutely harrowing stuff. Really made me feel sick and angry.

If anyone has a link to a youtube video of it, I'd appreciate it.

gnxx

Raiser, it is sad, but you have pretty much hit the nail on the head.

One section relates to an investigation by a young garda that was handled with speed and efficiency. The officer and his senior officer were so shocked by the evidence they quickly produced a file for the DPP. A clear undertone, is that these two officers, moved so quickly with the case, the normal interference from the church and others was too late to stop the prosecution.

It is clear that senior clergy and gardai in this country perpetrated a second set of crimes in their attempt to hide the truth.

This country was and continues to be corrupt. This report shows the most sickening example of this corruption. I'm not sure about rotten to the core, but there is certainly a lot of rot at the highest levels in this country.

Raiser wrote: »

Government - Rotten to the core/Absolute Scum in suits.

Judiciary - Aged/Senile/Demonstrably Stupid/Occasionally unprosecutable Paedophiles/Rotten to the core.

Gardaí - Indifferent/Lazy/Greedy/Profiteering/Rotten to the core.

Catholic Church - 2nd Oldest Career/Perverse/Stunted/EVIL/Rotten to the core.

Social Workers - Indifferent/Lazy/Greedy/Profiteering/Rotten to the core.

The Devout Irish Catholic Gobshíte - Pious/Judgemental/Hypocritical/Self-Obsessed in their blind pursuit of a place in "Heaven"/Indifferent/Rotten to the core.

The Irish Public - SILENT - APATHETIC - SPINELESS - HAPPY TO PAY FOR THE CHURCHES SINS - P A T H E T I C

Biggins

For those that cannot find a copy of the report, here is the two parts report.
Read if you can considering its terrible contents but remember this is probably only the tip of the iceberg as some of the abuse done and just covers Dublin as such.

Download: Part One Summary of situation
Download: Part Two The crimes and the culprits!

I (to start with) hold the four scumbag men below responsible for the cover-up.
They are (or were) deserving of prison time. Don't give a crap who they are/were!

silverharp

I hope the priests dont make the same mistake this sunday and only ask the congregations to pray for the abusers , I gather people were walking out the last time.

Nodin

imstrongerthanu wrote: »

Anyway what I want to now is will people serve time in jail?

Very few. Personally, I'd love to see O'Connell dragged in by the scruff of the neck, but its not going to happen.

Clanrickard

Raiser wrote: »

Government - Rotten to the core/Absolute Scum in suits.

Judiciary - Aged/Senile/Demonstrably Stupid/Occasionally unprosecutable Paedophiles/Rotten to the core.

Gardaí - Indifferent/Lazy/Greedy/Profiteering/Rotten to the core.

Catholic Church - 2nd Oldest Career/Perverse/Stunted/EVIL/Rotten to the core.

Social Workers - Indifferent/Lazy/Greedy/Profiteering/Rotten to the core.

The Devout Irish Catholic Gobshíte - Pious/Judgemental/Hypocritical/Self-Obsessed in their blind pursuit of a place in "Heaven"/Indifferent/Rotten to the core.

The Irish Public - SILENT - APATHETIC - SPINELESS - HAPPY TO PAY FOR THE CHURCHES SINS - P A T H E T I C

That people saw fit to thank you for this ill considered rant strikes me as sad. I won't bother refuting such tripe but I will say this. The report commends lower ranking Guards for their pursuit of pedophile priests so they are not "rotten to the core" as you hysterically put it.

Biggins

Raiser wrote: »

Government - Rotten to the core/Absolute Scum in suits.

Judiciary - Aged/Senile/Demonstrably Stupid/Occasionally unprosecutable Paedophiles/Rotten to the core.

Gardaí - Indifferent/Lazy/Greedy/Profiteering/Rotten to the core.

Catholic Church - 2nd Oldest Career/Perverse/Stunted/EVIL/Rotten to the core.

Social Workers - Indifferent/Lazy/Greedy/Profiteering/Rotten to the core.

The Devout Irish Catholic Gobshíte - Pious/Judgemental/Hypocritical/Self-Obsessed in their blind pursuit of a place in "Heaven"/Indifferent/Rotten to the core.

The Irish Public - SILENT - APATHETIC - SPINELESS - HAPPY TO PAY FOR THE CHURCHES SINS - P A T H E T I C

Thats your take, here's mine...

Government - In the past far, far too afraid of the church and the congregations of voters who were swayed weekly by parish priest and pope!

Judiciary - Far too afraid - and powerless to tackle, each on their own or as a unit, the systemic attitude that one does not accuse a priest and/or attempt to criminalise the church.

Gardaí - Lower levels, sadly too powerless to tackle/take on/expose the higher levels in the past even though they knew these brutal crimes were being committed.
The higher levels were also too afraid to take on the states stance (then, (1) of allowing the church to have too much internal influence in state affairs, (2) Allowed themselves to be far too influenced by the power of the pulpit directly and indirectly.)

Catholic Church - STILL corrupt to the core. The dictator sitting of the throne of Rome presently, was the man that formulated the still present doctrine edict and put forth by the previous pope (and re-issued by himself as a reminder just under 2 years ago) that such sexual crimes were to be reported to the church authorities FIRST and it would be they (Rome) who would still decided if to go to a countries state police representatives.

Social Workers - Were powerless to tackle and take on all the above. Of course they knew what was happening but in previous times, there was no papers/media that they could run to to force exposure and action - and the papers then were afraid of the above lot too as well!

The Devout Irish Catholic Gobshíte -To be honest, most lived their lives like a ostrich with its head in the sand.
"I didn't see it so it mustn't be true!"
"Why are you making up such lies child!"
"A priest would never do such things...!"
Etc.
...and if they saw such evidence of such heinous activities, were afraid to speak up against the powerful church power culture.

The Irish Public - Hadn't a clue for most of them. All the above did a damn good job of cover-up, lies, burying medical hospital and doctor reports and so on... so that the public couldn't be outraged and maybe motivated to take a stance and kick some bloody ass!

...that's the short summarised version!

joolsveer

Why are civil servants in departments covering health, justice and education not brought to task for their involvement in this scandal?

I am certain that the commissioner criticised in the report was previously a very senior civil servant in the department of justice and was appointed commissioner as "a breath of fresh air" as the establishment did not want to promote a serving member of the garda to the post.

Dannyboy83

Djuret wrote: »

I'm not sure I'd advise reading the full report, there's something thoroughly disturbing about prepubescent girls being raped with a crucifix up the backside.

I wasn't really shocked by that much of what I heard (as we are used to it at this stage, seems like its been going on for an eternity).

But I was genuinely shocked to hear about how they had raped young 9yr old girls with crucifixes in their vaginas and anus.
It sounded like something straight out of the exorcist, and to think that film was banned in this country.

Sick beyond belief.

It was on all the major news channels last night, God only knows what people abroad must be thinking.
The GF is not Irish and wasn't really aware of it before, she nearly fell off her seat hearing it.

Dannyboy83

If anyone is so disgusted by what they heard that they would like to make a protest, there is a very comprehensive site here, which will help you to streamline the process of "defecting from" (i.e. renoucning) the Catholic Church.

http://www.countmeout.ie/why/


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by Nodin
Very few. Personally, I'd love to see O'Connell dragged in by the scruff of the neck, but its not going to happen.

If enough people leave, there is a good chance that justice will be done.
If people do nothing, as per usual, nothing will be done.
The Church are counting on Irish people to be shocked but to do nothing.

Fratton Fred

If McQuaid knew of these abuses and actively covered them up, he is as guilty of the crimes as the perpetrator.

i wonder if we will see al the Schools named after him changing their names?

getz

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

I wasn't really shocked by that much of what I heard (as we are used to it at this stage, seems like its been going on for an eternity).

But I was genuinely shocked to hear about how they had raped young 9yr old girls with crucifixes in their vaginas and anus.
It sounded like something straight out of the exorcist, and to think that film was banned in this country.

Sick beyond belief.

It was on all the major news channels last night, God only knows what people abroad must be thinking.
The GF is not Irish and wasn't really aware of it before, she nearly fell off her seat hearing it.

and i bet you dont know who pays the compensation out to the victims of the churches child abuse ?well i will tell you-its you the irish tax payer

who the fug

getz wrote: »

and i bet you dont know who pays the compensation out to the victims of the churches child abuse ?well i will tell you-its you the irish tax payer

Another reason to be cheerful about why I left and never went back

jackthekipper

Biggins wrote: »

For those that cannot find a copy of the report, here is the two parts report.
Read if you can considering its terrible contents but remember this is probably only the tip of the iceberg as some of the abuse done and just covers Dublin as such.

Download: Part One Summary of situation
Download: Part Two The crimes and the culprits!

I (to start with) hold the four scumbag men below responsible for the cover-up.
They are (or were) deserving of prison time. Don't give a crap who they are/were!

But .. but . . they can't go to jail. Look at their nice hats and frocks, their also celibate virgins so their not unclean like the rest of us.
Seriously, I haven't read the report yet so i don't know to what extent their involvement is or was, but you're right that people have to go to jail no matter what position they hold, if not it says alot about Irish society.

herya

getz wrote: »

and i bet you dont know who pays the compensation out to the victims of the churches child abuse ?well i will tell you-its you the irish tax payer

The Irish taxpayer should get all the church schools back for this. Fair and simple.

getz

this is on the BBC news tex about it,the inquiry into abuse by catholic priests in ireland has disclosed that the vatican ignored formal requests for information, the inquiry asked for details of reports on abuse sent to the vatican by the dublin archdiocese in 2006,the vatican did not reply but told the irish foreign affairs department, the request ;had not gone through appropriat diplomatic channels;the inquiry condemned church leaders for covering up abuse for decades,

Biggins

jackthekipper wrote: »

...I haven't read the report yet so i don't know to what extent their involvement is or was, but you're right that people have to go to jail no matter what position they hold, if not it says alot about Irish society.

Sadly, we know already how criminals and their like are treated in Ireland.
Usually with buckets of extra cash, perks, and moved sideways to different jobs!

Sickening. This culture HAS to change or as a nation we will get nowhere progressively.

Biggins

getz wrote: »

this is on the BBC news tex about it,the inquiry into abuse by catholic priests in ireland has disclosed that the vatican ignored formal requests for information, the inquiry asked for details of reports on abuse sent to the vatican by the dublin archdiocese in 2006,the vatican did not reply but told the irish foreign affairs department, the request ;had not gone through appropriat diplomatic channels;the inquiry condemned church leaders for covering up abuse for decades,

Given that they are currently trying to cope with their own close to home problems, this comes as no further surprise.
See: Here or here

That however does NOT excuse their denials. They should be held to account - no if's, no but's, no excuses!

walshb

The good old church, a recruitment and breeding and hiding ground for paedophiles

jackthekipper

DeValera must be so proud up there in heaven of the priveleged positions results.

starbelgrade

silverharp wrote: »

I hope the priests dont make the same mistake this sunday and only ask the congregations to pray for the abusers

Ah, sure a few prayers never did any harm. Or good, for that matter!

jackthekipper

silverharp wrote: »

I hope the priests dont make the same mistake this sunday and only ask the congregations to pray for the abusers , I gather people were walking out the last time.

It's beeter than praying ofr single mothers and teh ghez

chughes

I'm as disgusted as anyone would be about the findings in this report but I have every faith and confidence that no one will be charged in relation to any of the crimes commited.
Also, I see the Gardai are investigaing the Gardai. My predicted result, a long report but no one will be charged or even reprimanded.
Or am I just being cynical ?

ISOT

Priest ridden southern state they always reckoned, after what has came out in this report, looks like they got is spot on, Ulster says no is starting to make a lot more sense now.
I acknowledge the they had their own little rotten sectarian state up there for years but I never really believed that the was such obedience and subservience to the catholic church from this state (like the unionists said) until now.
just my two cents, I am totally sickened by what went on.

chughes

ISOT wrote: »

Priest ridden southern state they always reckoned, after what has came out in this report, looks like they got is spot on, Ulster says no is starting to make a lot more sense now.
I acknowledge the they had their own little rotten sectarian state up there for years but I never really believed that the was such obedience and subservience to the catholic church from this state (like the unionists said) until now.
just my two cents, I am totally sickened by what went on.

As far as I remember, didn't some of the non Catholic churches in the North have their own problems with regard to some of their members having an overfondness for children in some of the homes they ran ?

ISOT

chughes wrote: »

As far as I remember, didn't some of the non Catholic churches in the North have their own problems with regard to some of their members having an overfondness for children in some of the homes they ran ?

Thats true (think it was called the kincora scandal) but I dont think that the northern state authorities systematically turned a blind eye/ covered it up for 40 years.

chughes

Cheers ISOT. In regard to what happened down here, it's hard to know which is the bigger crime, the abusing priests or their superiors who covered up their crimes.
My view is that we are looking at a process that started with the Casey/Cleary scandals and Murphy is the latest step in the terminal decline of the Catholic church in this country. While older people are rightly scandalised and traumatised by the revalations, many younger people are disgusted but really don't care what happens to the church as it plays a very small part in their lives.
The Catholic church got away with it for many years and is now paying the cost of it's abuse of power.

LookingFor

Just curious here, but did Connell actually cover up after abusing priests? Did he know about it and not report this to the Gardai?

If so, can he honestly not be prosecuted? With allegations as serious as this, surely that is a crime.

getz

LookingFor wrote: »

Just curious here, but did Connell actually cover up after abusing priests? Did he know about it and not report this to the Gardai?

If so, can he honestly not be prosecuted? With allegations as serious as this, surely that is a crime.

i dont think they can now under irish law,organizations have had to be set up ,outside ireland for irish abuse victims to get compensation.

LookingFor

getz wrote: »

i dont think they can now under irish law,organizations have had to be set up ,outside ireland for irish abuse victims to get compensation.

I'm not sure I understand. They set up organisations outside Ireland to give compensation to victims - and thus Connell or such other bishops can't be prosecuted if what they did was a crime?

I don't follow that.

If I murder someone I can't privately arrange compensation for the victim's family via organisations outside Ireland in order to evade prosecution. Certain crimes are, AFAIK, crimes also against the state, and it's not just up to the victim to press a charge. I'd have thought something like obstruction of justice or what-not would be such a crime, if that's indeed what Connell et al did.

Biggins

getz wrote: »

i dont think they can now under irish law,organizations have had to be set up ,outside ireland for irish abuse victims to get compensation.

According to some reports, the bastarrds that are still in Irish church office and those that have retired, the ones that lied for decades, covered up many, many terrible crimes, refused to investigate others, buried evidence, destroyed evidence and so on... cannot be arrested and made to pay for their disgusting actions.
Why?

Because according to Fianna Fail, the useless fcuks, some of the church criminals, set-up compensation systems for a few beyond the boundaries of our own state!
Yea... seriously! Did you have hear such a load of bolox?

We all know it and the government knows it. They are JUST using that as an excuse not to go after those that were aware of these crimes after the fact but refused to report then crime and the culprits.
They, Fianna Fail, our government clearly don't have the balls or brains to go after O'Connell and those still sitting pretty daring still to preach down to us - STILL!
I guess they are still schiting themselves in their pants for doing something courageous and right.

By Fianna Fail's out of date, inexcusable, sick mental thinking, my brother can rape someone, he can tell me he did it, I can cover up for him, hide or destroy the report of the incident, move him around the country to so he can do the same again, say nothing and let him get away with it.
Then I can set up something outside our border to pay back his victims and/or their families on the quiet.
...and no one can get prosecuted for the terrible act, the destroying of evidence, for failing to report a crime, for perhaps lying to officials, Gardi, state investigators etc...

This government ONCE AGAIN is showing itself to be the biggest bunch of corrupt out of date lying scum-bags this state has EVER produced in the history of the country.

FCUKING DISGUSTING! :mad:

dresden8

Turned out Home Rule was Rome Rule.

How much does the church have us on the hook for this mess?

Darragh29

I remember lads in my class in school when I was 11, being abused by a Christian Brother, one lad who was my friend at the time died in the most suspicious of circumstances after suffering abuse and the truth has never come out about that tragedy. There is a lot that is not in this latest report that I think should be... There have been so many allegations made, the report is only based on a sample of complaints... I'd say the true depth and scale of what was going on will never be known...

bSlick

Biggins wrote: »

According to some reports, the bastarrds that are still in Irish church office and those that have retired, the ones that lied for decades, covered up many, many terrible crimes, refused to investigate others, buried evidence, destroyed evidence and so on... cannot be arrested and made to pay for their disgusting actions.
Why?

Because according to Fianna Fail, the useless fcuks, some of the church criminals, set-up compensation systems for a few beyond the boundaries of our own state!
Yea... seriously! Did you have hear such a load of bolox?

FCUKING DISGUSTING! :mad:

Someone posted the following in AH. How can they not be prosecuted under (2) and (4) of this Act?

From the Criminal Law Act 1997

Penalties for assisting offenders.
7. - (1) Any person who aids, abets, counsels or procures the commission of an indictable offence shall be liable to be indicted, tried and punished as a principal offender
(2) Where a person has committed an arrestable offence, any other person who, knowing or believing him or her to be guilty of the offence or of some other arrestable offence, does without reasonable excuse any act with intent to impede his or her apprehension or prosecution shall be guilty of an offence.
(3) If, upon the trial on indictment of an arrestable offence, it is proved that the offence charged, or some other offence of which the accused might on that charge be found guilty, was committed but it is not proved that the accused was guilty of it, the accused may be found guilty of an offence under subsection (2) of which it is proved that he or she is guilty in relation to the offence charged, or that other offence.
(4) A person committing an offence under subsection (2) with intent to impede another person's apprehension or prosecution shall be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment according to the gravity of the offence that the other person has committed or attempted to commit, as follows: (a) if that offence is one for which the sentence is fixed by law, or for which the maximum sentence is imprisonment for life, he or she shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years;
(b) if it is one for which a person of full capacity and not previously convicted may be sentenced to imprisonment for a term of fourteen years, he or she shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding seven years;
(c) If it is not one included in paragraph (a) or (b) but is one for which a person of full capacity and not previously convicted may be sentenced to imprisonment for a term of ten years, he or she shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years;
(d) in any other case, lie or she shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years.

Biggins

Darragh29 wrote: »

I remember lads in my class in school when I was 11, being abused by a Christian Brother, one lad who was my friend at the time died in the most suspicious of circumstances after suffering abuse and the truth has never come out about that tragedy. There is a lot that is not in this latest report that I think should be... There have been so many allegations made, the report is only based on a sample of complaints... I'd say the true depth and scale of what was going on will never be known...

No wonder they don't want investigation into anything more outside Dublin!
See here: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1127/breaking25.htm
If they get away with that demand - the cnuts should be put against a wall and shot with those that allow it to (not) happen!

Are you listening Fianna Fail, Greens and co!!! :mad::mad::mad:

Dannyboy83

Have there ever been any reprisals on the priests involved?
Surely there will be reprisals, if the state refuse to prosecute.

If it were me or one of my family, I would make sure justice was done, even if I had to dispense it myself.

jackthekipper

Biggins wrote: »

According to some reports, the bastarrds that are still in Irish church office and those that have retired, the ones that lied for decades, covered up many, many terrible crimes, refused to investigate others, buried evidence, destroyed evidence and so on... cannot be arrested and made to pay for their disgusting actions.
Why?

Because according to Fianna Fail, the useless fcuks, some of the church criminals, set-up compensation systems for a few beyond the boundaries of our own state!
Yea... seriously! Did you have hear such a load of bolox?

We all know it and the government knows it. They are JUST using that as an excuse not to go after those that were aware of these crimes after the fact but refused to report then crime and the culprits.
They, Fianna Fail, our government clearly don't have the balls or brains to go after O'Connell and those still sitting pretty daring still to preach down to us - STILL!
I guess they are still schiting themselves in their pants for doing something courageous and right.

By Fianna Fail's out of date, inexcusable, sick mental thinking, my brother can rape someone, he can tell me he did it, I can cover up for him, hide or destroy the report of the incident, move him around the country to so he can do the same again, say nothing and let him get away with it.
Then I can set up something outside our border to pay back his victims and/or their families on the quiet.
...and no one can get prosecuted for the terrible act, the destroying of evidence, for failing to report a crime, for perhaps lying to officials, Gardi, state investigators etc...

This government ONCE AGAIN is showing itself to be the biggest bunch of corrupt out of date lying scum-bags this state has EVER produced in the history of the country.

FCUKING DISGUSTING! :mad:

And to think of Ahearne pushing for the blasphemy bill!

chughes

It would be lovely to think that some people will be prosecuted over this but the reality is that nobody will ever be charged. Charges would have to be brought by the state and the state was a party to what was going on. There are too many vested interests with too much to lose. The powers that be are hoping that this will blow over and they can get on with what they do.

Hillel

chughes wrote: »

It would be lovely to think that some people will be prosecuted over this but the reality is that nobody will ever be charged. Charges would have to be brought by the state and the state was a party to what was going on. There are too many vested interests with too much to lose. The powers that be are hoping that this will blow over and they can get on with what they do.

This is the nub of the issue - the dereliction of duty went to the highest levels of government and public sector bodies. It was also widespread throughout many sectors of society. I have referred to this outrage as a holocoust previously and I stand over that term. The number of lives destroyed will never be fully known.

What is certain is that pedophilia, child molestation, rape, buggery and corruption and abuse of vulnerable adults was widespread - and right up to recent times. Many people, at all strata of society, knew and closed their eyes. Even worse some colluded in a criminal conspiracy to cover up what was going on. Some of these people, many no doubt being pillars of the church and the establishment, must be getting worried. If the bishops are driven out from under cover, they must be worrying that they are next.

This must not be allowed sink into oblivion. Its all too easy for politicians to pin the blame on the clergy and sidestep accountability for politicians and state organs. This would do further injustice to the abused and leave the cancer at the very core of our socity untouched.

bobbyjoe

You don't pay you tv license or a bill and your in jail.

Cowen earns more than Obama.
Owe the bank billions and your left alone, a few grand and family gets turfed out of their home.
Serious lack of fairness in this society, depressing.

g5fd6ow0hseima

Right, I may as well get banned for saying something so subjective.

The Catholic church are the dirtiest shower of ***** to have ever graced the soil of Ireland. I really question the motives of those who continue to attend mass weekly, despite it being more apparent than ever before that the church was well aware of the widespread abuses taking place within its ranks for decades, yet chose to do nothing about it - at best collaborating with the sympathetic, subservient authorities in efforts to cover up.

I feel that is only in Ireland that such a hideous, backward and fascist organisation can still maintain sizeable levels of support into the 21st century. Is half the country gone blind? Or blind-ignorance maybe....